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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by Markkos1992 on April 11, 2024, 05:32:32 pm »

Also, there's a spur for the Seaway Trail in Erie following PA 832.

I saw that when I decided to replace the previous nearby hidden shaping point on PA 832. 

Is there a way for me to prove whether this supposed spur goes into Presque Isle State Park or ends at the state park line like PA 832 itself?  This page seems to indicate that it goes into the park.

I did loop the spur into the park leading to a Duplicate Coordinates Error that I will have to mark as a FP.  https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/7328

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Updates to Highway Data / Re: MS US 61 Business (Vicksburg)

« Last post by froggie on April 11, 2024, 05:10:51 pm »

If there's actually a signed Historic US 80 route, I'd be open to adding that given precedent elsewhere (and the usaush system).  But as noted (and discussed previously on the forum), I am not adding Business routes.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by mapcat on April 11, 2024, 05:02:51 pm »

The routing for the National Road in Ohio differs slightly from what ODOT has highlighted here: https://gis3.dot.state.oh.us/ScenicByways/HNR.html

I haven't checked everything, but TM's routing on the west side of Cambridge is contradicted by at least one sign.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by Highway63 on April 11, 2024, 03:26:56 pm »

Typo in the IA Belle Plaine Lincoln Highway loop (LinHwyLpBel): 135th St->13thSt.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 11, 2024, 01:48:36 pm »

National Road in Indiana (mostly US 40):
Ohio line
Main Street thru Richmond to presumably 5th Street (where old Automobile Blue Books have traffic turn)
Old National Road thru Dunreith-Ogden-Raysville
Old US 40 thru Indy
Example sign on US 40
35E/25W east of Putnamville
750S west of Manhattan
SR 340
Wabash Avenue in Terre Haute
Old US 40 in West Terre Haute
Illiana Drive near the state line

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by si404 on April 11, 2024, 01:42:13 pm »

Also the BC routes need to be moved to a cantr system as those are not in the United States.

Breaking up a connected route because there's an international border there seems dumb. Either we tolerate an International Route in a USA system, or the system becomes natr.

The BC routes also seem at first glance to be completely concurrent with canbc routes. To me, including such routes in a tourist route system is a waste of effort, both for whoever is developing the system, and also potential headaches for the maintainers of the concurrent routes. This is different from, say, the Lincoln Highway, which seems to include significant mileage not already in TM.

I understand, and accept this argument (though personally I'm unfussed about a plethora of concurrent routes) - it does make everything harder to maintain. However the route is not entirely concurrent with other routes: the south side of this route and the southeast corner of this route are not.

Plus, if we didn't include it, it would be the only multi-state All American Road (well, after I've got the Volcanic Legacy Scenic Byway added to this system this evening) that we didn't include on TM (as far as possible to do so) as a single route. OK, the Beartooth Highway is in as US212, and the Newfound Gap Road Byway as US441, rather than under their names.

Also, the BC routes seem to be deemed part of an international Selkirk route system reaching into Idaho. Those Idaho routes not only are concurrent with Idaho state routes, but I've driven many of those concurrent routes, and never saw any signage indicating they were part of any scenic route system, Selkirk or otherwise. (Ditto the BC routes, though I haven't traveled them as extensively as the Idaho routes.)

You never saw the signs? I found, on Streetview, that these were pretty average in terms of signage - not tons of signs, but only maybe 1 or 2 junctions where it was hard to find signs.

Below are 5 for each of the three jurisdictions (all at different junctions).
BC: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
ID: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
WA: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 11, 2024, 01:25:01 pm »

The National Road is signed west into East St. Louis. It turns off the route we have at West Collinsville Road in Troy. It follows the south frontage road of I-70, then IL 159 into Collinsville (where signage is wonky), then Clay/Main to Combs-Main-St. Louis and Collinsville Road into 9th-10th, then Broadway to the Eads Bridge.

The National Road uses IL 4 to Ellis Road-Highland Road-Broadway-IL 160 back to US 40.

The National Road has a spur in Greenville that loops on Main-Elm-College.

The National Road uses 3rd-Jefferson in Effingham.

The National Road uses Cumberland Road thru Jewett.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by the_spui_ninja on April 11, 2024, 12:21:41 pm »

The LCT has a spur? into Weston MO (east end, west end?).

Yes, this is a spur. I've been to/through Weston numerous times on that.

As far as the link between Gregory and Ft. Pierre, I'd rather leave it on the current routing because the only evidence of the Lower Brule routing is the one sign that looks older than me, and that way we don't add any new mileage that doesn't have good signage to back it up.

Here's a (north-facing) sign that hasn't faded so badly. Another on BIA 10 at SD 47. There may be more at the north end of SD 273 but available imagery is too old.

Well I might have to check that out then. I'm going to Pierre next week so we'll see if I can find the time to go that way. Looked at streetview in Lower Brule though, and didn't find any signage.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by shiggins on April 11, 2024, 12:16:46 pm »

For the East River Chamberlain to Pierre segment, Lewis & Clark follows the (BIA 4 cutoff to Ft. Thompson, where it then presumably follows SD 47 and SD 34 to Pierre to link up with the rest (never seen signs along that stretch, but it's pre-existing mileage so including a poorly signed route isn't the end of the world).

I found some signs along SD 47 and SD 34, confirming that the route you stated is correct:
SD 47 northbound in Fort Thompson
SD 34 eastbound/SD 47 southbound approaching Fort Thompson
SD 34 eastbound approaching SD 47

Also, I'd like to vote in favor of keeping this system around.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 11, 2024, 11:31:05 am »

For the East River Chamberlain to Pierre segment, Lewis & Clark follows the (BIA 4 cutoff to Ft. Thompson, where it then presumably follows SD 47 and SD 34 to Pierre to link up with the rest (never seen signs along that stretch, but it's pre-existing mileage so including a poorly signed route isn't the end of the world).

That explains the missing signage

As far as the link between Gregory and Ft. Pierre, I'd rather leave it on the current routing because the only evidence of the Lower Brule routing is the one sign that looks older than me, and that way we don't add any new mileage that doesn't have good signage to back it up.

Here's a (north-facing) sign that hasn't faded so badly. Another on BIA 10 at SD 47. There may be more at the north end of SD 273 but available imagery is too old.