Travel Mapping

Highway Data Discussion => Updates to Highway Data => Solved Highway data updates => Topic started by: rickmastfan67 on May 18, 2017, 11:31:59 pm

Title: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 18, 2017, 11:31:59 pm
http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18.msg2227792#msg2227792
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=13848
http://www.greensboro.com/rockingham_now/news/danville/portion-of-i--in-guilford-opening-to-drivers/article_2270836a-3b42-11e7-9bb5-cb99c98e102c.html

This will be the NC-68 to US-220 segment.  From the pictures posted in the press release, it will be posted as I-73 from the start (unless they cover over the signs before they open it).
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: oscar on May 19, 2017, 06:53:44 am
NCDOT's press release (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=13848) has the new segment as part of Future I-73.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2017, 06:59:18 am
NCDOT's press release (https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=13848) has the new segment as part of Future I-73.

May say that, but a picture is worth 1000 words: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ncdot/34681680806/in/pool-2706067@N20/
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 19, 2017, 10:20:13 pm
I-73 are indeed posted, and not covered over or have a 'Future' banner added.

http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18.msg2228524#msg2228524
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: compdude787 on June 04, 2017, 03:51:43 pm
Friendly reminder that this new segment of I-73 still needs to be added. ;)
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on June 05, 2017, 06:23:18 am
I hadn't seen a map or satellite view that showed its exact routing, but I do now see that the satellite map at the Cmap editor does show it. 

However, I was also going to wait until the short segment between NC 68 and Bryan Blvd is complete (couple months...?) so that it isn't necessary to create a separate I-73 file to then turn right around and undo that...

Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 05, 2017, 09:51:33 am
I hadn't seen a map or satellite view that showed its exact routing, but I do now see that the satellite map at the Cmap editor does show it.

Well, OSM's been up-to-date for I-73 between NC-68 and US-220 for awhile.  I personally fixed it up off of the NAIP imagery there just after the highway opened.  However, I will admit the Southern NC-68 interchange and the alignment over to Bryan Blvd isn't correct (I didn't have time to clean that up).
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: compdude787 on June 05, 2017, 03:39:13 pm
However, I was also going to wait until the short segment between NC 68 and Bryan Blvd is complete (couple months...?) so that it isn't necessary to create a separate I-73 file to then turn right around and undo that...

That makes sense.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: dfilpus on June 08, 2017, 11:32:02 am
However, I was also going to wait until the short segment between NC 68 and Bryan Blvd is complete (couple months...?) so that it isn't necessary to create a separate I-73 file to then turn right around and undo that...
The project (I-5110) to build the I-73/Airport Boulevard interchange will connect I-73 from NC-68 to Bryan Boulevard and should be done in a couple months. However, it will not complete the connection between the two segments of I-73. Bryan Boulevard between the new interchange and I-840/I-73 is not to interstate standards. The project to upgrade Bryan Boulevard and its interchange with I-840/I-73 is part of the larger project (U-2524C) to extend I-840 to US-220. This project is estimated to be complete in Mar 2018. Currently, this segment is in the data base as I-73 Future West Greensboro.
So, in a couple of months, when the NC-68/Bryan Boulevard connector is complete, the current separate I-73 segment will simply be extended, not connected to I-73 proper. If we wait until it actually connects to map the segment, it may not be until Mar 2018 (or even later) before we can.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 09, 2017, 11:09:52 pm
So, in a couple of months, when the NC-68/Bryan Boulevard connector is complete, the current separate I-73 segment will simply be extended, not connected to I-73 proper. If we wait until it actually connects to map the segment, it may not be until Mar 2018 (or even later) before we can.

Who knows, maybe they'll get a waiver to sign that segment as I-73 proper right away once they finish the connection to NC-68.

Either way, I finished cleaning up the I-73/NC-68 southern interchange the other day in OSM thanks to the NAIP imagery.  So, points can be properly acquired from OSM now either way at least to update both US-220's and NC-68's files ahead of time. :)
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: oscar on June 15, 2017, 08:07:55 pm
In case this is new news ...

I drove the new I-73 (future?) segment today. All of the route signage in both directions (including two reassurance markers in each direction, and signs from both SB US 220 and both directions of NC 68) is as regular, not future, I-73.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on June 16, 2017, 03:37:47 pm
I have added the full extension to US 220 to the I-73 FutWGr file, including the short Bryan Blvd replacement part that won't open for a little while longer.

I also changed NC 68:  BryBlvd to OldBryBlvd and Exit 110 for I-73 is on top of a previous waypoint.  In both cases I left legacy naming...

All associated cross routes were updated.

All have been submitted...
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: Jim on June 16, 2017, 08:02:48 pm
OK, so the decision is to keep it as "Future I-73"?
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on June 17, 2017, 11:22:44 am
The posting of normal I-73 is in error.  NCDOT's Route Change request for this new segment is shown on their page as Future I-73.

Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: dfilpus on June 18, 2017, 11:27:32 am
The map for nc.i073futwgr is concurrent with NC-68 between exits 110 and 111. This is incorrect. I-73 Future runs west of NC-68 on separate pavement in that segment. A shaping point is needed on I-73 Future to break the concurrency.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on June 18, 2017, 07:00:52 pm
shaping point added and submitted
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 18, 2017, 09:31:42 pm
The posting of normal I-73 is in error.  NCDOT's Route Change request for this new segment is shown on their page as Future I-73.

Well, if they put up I-73 shields on the Bryan Blvd part once it's reopened, I'd say we should make it a 'proper' interstate no matter what IMO.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 04, 2017, 08:26:59 pm
The posting of normal I-73 is in error.  NCDOT's Route Change request for this new segment is shown on their page as Future I-73.

Well, if they put up I-73 shields on the Bryan Blvd part once it's reopened, I'd say we should make it a 'proper' interstate no matter what IMO.

I was right, the Bryan Blvd part IS posted as a full Interstate now after it opened.  So, I propose to promote it all to a full Interstate, including the I-840 part.  Also, I-840 (West) needs to be promoted as well.

http://www.malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg4.html
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: dfilpus on November 07, 2017, 11:00:11 am
Signage for I-73 from I-40 to Bryan Boulevard has been changed from Future to Full Interstate signage.
Overhead signs, exit and mile numbers are not yet changed.
The END I-73 sign on the ramp from I-73/US 421 to I 73 has been changed to a NORTH I-73 sign.
I-73 shields have been removed from the FUTURE signs.
I-73 reassurance signs have been erected, similar to the I-87 signs in Raleigh.
Temporary advisory signs direct I-73 traffic to Bryan Boulevard West.
There is now no FUTURE I-73 signage until north of the US 220 merge north of Summerville.

I-840 is still signed FUTURE.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on November 17, 2017, 01:11:05 pm
Unless anyone objects, I can make everything actual I-73 when the next segment opens soon...
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 20, 2018, 10:28:19 pm
2(840) -> 104
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4121.msg2296193#msg2296193

Assuming that on I-840 'Future' (http://tm.teresco.org/hb/?units=miles&r=nc.i840futwgr) (which I'm sure will become a full Interstate finally once it's open to US-220), that the following points will also need to be updated.
1 -> 103(73)
2 -> 104(73)
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on January 27, 2018, 04:00:59 pm
I have submitted the extension of I-73 up US 220 to NC 68 and eliminated I-73 Fut W Greensboro (alt name added to I-73).
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 01, 2018, 12:33:14 am
2(840) -> 104
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4121.msg2296193#msg2296193

Assuming that on I-840 'Future' (http://tm.teresco.org/hb/?units=miles&r=nc.i840futwgr) (which I'm sure will become a full Interstate finally once it's open to US-220), that the following points will also need to be updated.
1 -> 103(73)
2 -> 104(73)

This still needs to be addressed on I-73's file, as the '840' point is still labeled as such.  Also I-840's file needs the fixes too.

Also, I would recommend the following exits to be re-centered, as they are off the center of the interchange (mainly due to guess work when they were originally added into OSM, but have since been corrected when newer imagery came out showing the correct location of the center point of the interchanges).

116 (NC-150)
123 (NC-68/US-220)
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on April 06, 2018, 02:54:00 pm
Made all these changes, plus went ahead and extended I-840 to US 220 as its opening is supposed to be April 14.

In the queue for submittal...
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: oscar on April 13, 2018, 06:39:24 pm
A post on AARoads (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4121.msg2318807#new), and a linked news article, indicate that:

-- the opening will be delayed until at least April 23 (darn, I was hoping to clinch the new segment on my way back from Florida next week)

-- the new segment will be signed as regular, not future, I-840.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: dfilpus on April 20, 2018, 12:04:20 pm
The waypoint for the southern terminus of I-73 Future Madison does not correspond with the waypoint in the routes NC 68, US 220 and I-73, which breaks the concurrency between US 220 and I-73 Future Madison.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: oscar on April 25, 2018, 07:05:37 pm
Followup on what the HB has as I-840FutWGr:

I drove it today (coming from I-73 NB north of I-85), including the new segment between Bryan Blvd. and US 220. The new segment appears to be consistently signed as regular, rather than future, I-840, including on overhead signs, freestanding reassurance signs, and milemarkers. The older segment, from I-40 to Bryan Blvd. (concurrent with I-73), is less clear -- I saw a Future I-840 sign on that segment NB (there was greenout indicating the sign once had Future I-73 on it as well). But on WB Bryan Blvd. approaching I-73/I-840, an overhead shows not only the new freeway north of Bryan Blvd. to US 220 as regular I-840, but I-73 south of Bryan Blvd. is also regular I-840.

I drove the new segment in both directions, but the old segment SB only to exit 102 where I turned back to leave Greensboro on US 220. Also, I didn't drive Bryan Blvd/I-73 EB past the airport, so I don't know how I-840 is signed from that approach.

No photos. alas, due to inconveniently-timed rain showers.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on May 04, 2018, 10:07:06 am
I have corrected the I-73 future madison issue and went ahead and changed I-840futgre to just I-840.

In the queue for submisison
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mikeandkristie on May 07, 2018, 05:28:21 pm
This may seem like an odd question, but is there anything involved with the recent changes you made to I-73 Future Madison and I-840 Future --> I-840 around Greensboro that would cause someone's numbers to drop?  Possibly some road mileage was being double counted and it no longer is.

I noticed this after checking my total miles yesterday.  I was expecting about a half mile jump after the fix to get the NC126/NC181 intersection corrected since I already had a line in for this waypoint so it would see it when the update went through.  Instead, I saw a 5-6 mile drop.  I usually keep a previous version of our log file so I can compare them after submitting updates.  My last submission was on 4/29.  And I compared it against the new log file.

Overall, my miles dropped by 5.69.  I see and extra 0.59 for NC181 and 0.02 for the change in I-73Fut (Madison).  On I-840, we've been on the part that overlaps with I-73.  That's 3.61 out of 6.76 miles and I do see it move from Interstate Future to regular Interstate and the totals change accordingly.  The Interstate miles driven doesn't change as they were already covered by I-73.  Total Interstate miles increased by 17.82 which includes the new 3.15 miles of I-840 and then the rest is I-269.  Predictably, my Interstate Future mileage changed by 3.59 (3.61 driven minus the 0.02 for Madison) and 6.74 (6.76 total minus 0.02 for Madison).  But, the future I-840 miles are also I-73 miles, so I shouldn't have dropped any here.  I haven't found anything yet that would explain my overall mileage drop. 

Mike

Note:  If the file doesn't show up that I'm trying to attach which shows a file comparison between the relevant lines, I will just paste in the text.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mikeandkristie on May 07, 2018, 05:34:05 pm
OK, my image attached, but I had to shrink it enough to get it under what I saw was the 128KB limit that it isn't legible anymore.  So, here are the relevant lines from my log file. 

Also, I tried posting the full size file.  But, it wouldn't accept the modest 522 KB file.  And afterwards, the Post button wouldn't work even after hitting Clear Attachments.

Relevant Before Lines

Log file created at: 2018-04-29 20:59:27.790373
Waypoint label(s) not found in line: NC NC181 NC126 US64Bus
Processed 1617 good lines marking 21123 segments traveled.
Clinched Highway Statistics
Overall in active systems: 36757.28 of 792125.85 mi (4.6%)
Overall in active+preview systems: 38331.05 of 1107233.14 mi (3.5%)
Overall by region: (each line reports active only then active+preview)
MS: 392.92 of 3296.81 mi (11.9%), 404.29 of 3619.03 mi (11.2%)
NC: 5375.15 of 14945.13 mi (36.0%), 5596.95 of 15180.82 mi (36.9%)
VA: 3573.48 of 10133.82 mi (35.3%), 3906.23 of 10471.87 mi (37.3%)
System usai (active) overall: 16264.24 of 48863.73 mi (33.3%)
System usai by region:
  MS: 288.21 of 815.28 mi (35.4%)
  NC: 1271.79 of 1307.57 mi (97.3%)
I-840: 77.75 of 77.75 mi (100.0%)
 (TN I-840 only)
I-895 (Maryland): 8.75 of 14.42 mi (60.7%)
 (MD I-895 only)
System usai connected routes traveled: 136 of 355 (38.3%), clinched: 50 of 355 (14.1%).
System usaif (active) overall: 446.95 of 875.94 mi (51.0%)
System usaif by region:
  NC: 140.04 of 202.56 mi (69.1%)
I-73Fut (Madison, NC): 18.27 of 18.27 mi (100.0%)
 (NC I-73FutMad only)
I-840Fut (West Greensboro, NC): 3.61 of 6.76 mi (53.4%)
 (NC I-840FutWGr only)
I-840Fut (East Greensboro, NC): 7.33 of 7.33 mi (100.0%)
 (NC I-840FutEGr only)
System usaif connected routes traveled: 21 of 38 (55.3%), clinched: 14 of 38 (36.8%).
System usanc (active) overall: 1734.10 of 8739.99 mi (19.8%)
NC181: 0.90 of 33.54 mi (2.7%)
 (NC NC181 only)

Relevant After Lines

Log file created at: 2018-05-06 23:00:36.677021
Note: deprecated route name I-840FutWGr -> canonical name I-840 in line NC I-840FutWGr 103(73) 107(73)
Processed 1618 good lines marking 21124 segments traveled.
Clinched Highway Statistics
Overall in active systems: 36751.59 of 792429.49 mi (4.6%)
Overall in active+preview systems: 38325.36 of 1116077.54 mi (3.4%)
Overall by region: (each line reports active only then active+preview)
MS: 392.92 of 3311.49 mi (11.9%), 404.29 of 3633.71 mi (11.1%)
NC: 5369.46 of 14938.86 mi (35.9%), 5591.26 of 15174.55 mi (36.8%)
VA: 3573.48 of 10132.73 mi (35.3%), 3906.23 of 10470.78 mi (37.3%)
System usai (active) overall: 16264.24 of 48881.55 mi (33.3%)
System usai by region:
  MS: 288.21 of 829.96 mi (34.7%)
  NC: 1271.79 of 1310.72 mi (97.0%)
I-840 (Tennessee): 77.75 of 77.75 mi (100.0%)
 (TN I-840 only)
I-840 (North Carolina): 3.61 of 6.76 mi (53.4%)
 (NC I-840 only)
I-895 (Maryland): 8.75 of 14.42 mi (60.7%)
 (MD I-895 only)
System usai connected routes traveled: 137 of 356 (38.5%), clinched: 50 of 356 (14.0%).
System usaif (active) overall: 443.36 of 869.20 mi (51.0%)
System usaif by region:
  NC: 136.45 of 195.82 mi (69.7%)
I-73Fut (Madison, NC): 18.29 of 18.29 mi (100.0%)
 (NC I-73FutMad only)
I-840Fut (East Greensboro, NC): 7.33 of 7.33 mi (100.0%)
 (NC I-840FutEGr only)
System usaif connected routes traveled: 20 of 37 (54.1%), clinched: 14 of 37 (37.8%).
System usanc (active) overall: 1734.69 of 8740.01 mi (19.8%)
NC181: 1.49 of 33.56 mi (4.5%)
 (NC NC181 only)
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: dfilpus on May 07, 2018, 07:45:15 pm
This may seem like an odd question, but is there anything involved with the recent changes you made to I-73 Future Madison and I-840 Future --> I-840 around Greensboro that would cause someone's numbers to drop?  Possibly some road mileage was being double counted and it no longer is.
The change to I-73 Future Madison fixed the concurrency between I-73 Future Madison and US 220. Before the fix, if you had both routes clinched, the segment between US 311/220 Bus and NC 65 was counted twice. Now, it is correctly counted once. This reduces overage mileage in NC to drop by the length of that segment.
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mikeandkristie on May 08, 2018, 10:31:59 am
This may seem like an odd question, but is there anything involved with the recent changes you made to I-73 Future Madison and I-840 Future --> I-840 around Greensboro that would cause someone's numbers to drop?  Possibly some road mileage was being double counted and it no longer is.
The change to I-73 Future Madison fixed the concurrency between I-73 Future Madison and US 220. Before the fix, if you had both routes clinched, the segment between US 311/220 Bus and NC 65 was counted twice. Now, it is correctly counted once. This reduces overage mileage in NC to drop by the length of that segment.
I did in fact have both of those clinched, so that makes sense.  I was focusing in on the I-840 change as the culprit.  Thank you.

Mike
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 16, 2018, 11:19:45 pm
I would change the '107(73)' label on I-840 to '3' since it's posted going 'WB' on I-840 at least.  I mean, if it had been posted with an I-73, I would have no problems with the current label.  But since there is a 'true' I-840 exit number posted there, that should be the number to go with for the label, IMO.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4121.msg2296193#msg2296193
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: mapmikey on June 23, 2018, 10:33:40 am
adjusted the label name ('3' was an alternate name and it is now the primary) and in the queue for suubmission
Title: Re: NC: New I-73 segment opening 5/19
Post by: michih on August 28, 2018, 12:40:10 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/commit/4d9e6ac50f2a2a993f629f76d9a237de721b5c0f#diff-a51268160175e0fc23e87843f120bf76

Marking solved