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Other Discussion / Re: usanyb: New York Scenic Byways

« Last post by Jim on April 14, 2024, 06:00:58 pm »

A few quick thoughts:

- I agree that the New York Scenic Byways, if added, would make sense as something like usanysb, not part of usatr since they don't span multiple regions.
- The routes being poorly-defined would be a good reason not to add them.  They seem well signed in the places I've seen them, but I haven't been on all that many.  But if we'd have to be hunting for signs in person or on street view, that's not great.  The spurs don't sound fun, either.
- Causing people to lose 100% clinches in regions is not a good reason not to add something.  People have many reasons to plot their travels in TM.  Yes, some want to see 100% come up in the stats.  Others (like me) are more interested in tracking where I've been, and the more routes that make sense to be included, the happier I am.  The "I swear, if you make me drive all the way out to far eastern Long Island again" comment actually worries me.  I hope no one feels obligated to go anywhere they don't want to go just because a route is added to or is updated in this project.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by Duke87 on April 14, 2024, 05:23:29 pm »

I noticed something interesting in Maryland on the National Road.  There's a point west of Baltimore where MD 144 ends in the middle of a National Road segment that doesn't have a point on the National Road.

It's a hidden point on NatRd, so concurrency detection will still work. This is because there's no intersection there, that section of MD 144 ends at the county line.

I thought this system was going to be mainly multi-state routes, not getting down into the weeds of what every state considers a scenic byway?

There is no officially defined scope at this point. I had suggested this upthread precisely because I don't like that level of getting down into the weeds either, but it is still open for discussion.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by vdeane on April 14, 2024, 05:03:24 pm »

I noticed something interesting in Maryland on the National Road.  There's a point west of Baltimore where MD 144 ends in the middle of a National Road segment that doesn't have a point on the National Road.

I'd be interested to see what's not already covered from the routes in New York Scenic Byways: https://www.dot.ny.gov/display/programs/scenic-byways/lists

I'm guessing its going to be similar to what @neroute2 found for All-American Roads, that it would be almost all concurrent with routes we already have.

I thought this system was going to be mainly multi-state routes, not getting down into the weeds of what every state considers a scenic byway?  And unfortunately I'm unaware of any GIS-based map of these things that would make it easy to pin down exact alignments.  There's also the fact that many of these aren't traditional routes that go from point A to point B... they branch and have spurs all over the place (ugh).

There is a surprisingly large amount of scenic byway mileage in NY that isn't concurrent with the touring route system.  I swear, if you make me drive all the way out to far eastern Long Island again... looks like I'm losing my 100% of NY for the next several years at this rate.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 14, 2024, 04:45:49 pm »

OH LinHwyAsh leaves US 42 thru Windsor (west end).

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 14, 2024, 04:36:29 pm »

LCT in West Point KY

It seems to simply use US 31W Bus thru town (south end).

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 14, 2024, 04:30:02 pm »

Something to keep an eye on: LCT in Ohio
https://www.weirtondailytimes.com/news/local-news/2023/06/fort-receives-auto-tour-signs-for-lewis-clark-trail/

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 14, 2024, 03:43:27 pm »

Lincoln Highway in Nebraska:

At least one Lincoln Highway sign in Fremont
Signs on the route between North Platte and Gothenburg, which can be seen on https://lincolnhighwayassoc.org/map/

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Other Discussion / usanyb: New York Scenic Byways

« Last post by Jim on April 14, 2024, 03:36:39 pm »

I'd be interested to see what's not already covered from the routes in New York Scenic Byways: https://www.dot.ny.gov/display/programs/scenic-byways/lists

I'm guessing its going to be similar to what @neroute2 found for All-American Roads, that it would be almost all concurrent with routes we already have.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by neroute2 on April 14, 2024, 03:31:25 pm »

Looking thru all the All-American Roads for possible additions:
A1A Scenic & Historic Coastal Byway: not covered by existing systems on an old alignment at St. Augustine Beach
Acadia All-American Road: all covered
Alaska Marine Highway: lol
Beartooth Highway: all covered
Blue Ridge Parkway: already in usanp
Chesapeake Country Scenic Byway: all covered
Chinook Scenic Byway: all covered
Colonial Parkway: already in usanp
Creole Nature Trail: not covered by existing systems on a piece west of Oak Grove
Door County Coastal Byway: all covered
Flaming Gorge - Green River Basin Scenic Byway: all covered
Florida Keys Scenic Highway: all covered
George Washington Memorial Parkway: already in usanp
Great River Road: mapped
Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad Byway: not covered by existing systems on some branches, which are at least partially signed
Hells Canyon Scenic Byway: not covered by existing systems on NF 39
Historic Columbia River Highway: already in usaush and usaus
Historic National Road: mapped
Historic Route 66: already in usaush
International Selkirk Loop: mapped
Lakes to Locks Passage: not covered by existing systems on a piece south of Rouses Point and former NY 314 (unsigned branch?)
Las Vegas Strip: not covered by existing systems; may be unsigned
Lincoln Highway Scenic & History Byway: Nebraska needs to be checked if any of this is signed
Natchez Trace Parkway: already in usanp
Newfound Gap Road Byway: all covered
North Shore Scenic Drive: all covered
Northwest Passage Scenic Byway: all covered
Pacific Coast Scenic Byway - Oregon: all covered
Red Rock Scenic Byway: all covered
Route 1 - Big Sur Coast Highway: all covered
Route 1 - San Luis Obispo North Coast Byway: all covered
San Juan Skyway: all covered
Scenic Byway 12: all covered
Selma to Montgomery March Byway: not covered by existing systems in Montgomery; it is signed
Seward Highway: all covered
Trail Ridge Road/Beaver Meadow Road: all covered
Volcanic Legacy Scenic Byway: mapped
Woodward Avenue (M-1) - Automotive Heritage Trail: not covered by existing systems in downtown Detroit

None of these jump out at me as must-haves.

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In-progress Highway Systems & Work / Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes

« Last post by mapcat on April 14, 2024, 11:22:04 am »

In Indiana, ORSB and LCTrl both have a point in Clarksville that is probably in the wrong spot. BroStaWay_E should mark the turn at Randolph Ave instead of North Clark Blvd.