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ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« on: September 21, 2019, 04:13:07 pm »
If we're going by the name of the ferry (line) itself (usual practice?), then
ON6: TobFerry -> SBTobFry
ON6Man: SBayFerry -> SBTobFry
Can anyone provide examples where we've used local ferry terminal names in waypoint labels? If there's established precedent for this, then TobFry & SouBayFry might be fine too.
relevant GitHub issue for the manual
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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2019, 04:16:57 pm »
We always use "Fry" in Europe.

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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2019, 04:25:34 pm »
List of "Ferry" labels in use (2 in MO, 3 in NY (2 alt label though), 2 in ON, 3 in WI):

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  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\MO\usamo\mo.mo077.wpt (1 hit)
Line 1: Ferry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.586570&lon=-89.214563
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\MO\usamo\mo.mo080.wpt (1 hit)
Line 18: Ferry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.765928&lon=-89.124355
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\NY\usany\ny.ny025.wpt (1 hit)
Line 64: CroSouFry +Ferry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.154256&lon=-72.240365
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\NY\usany\ny.ny314.wpt (1 hit)
Line 2: US9 +Ferry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.725333&lon=-73.436651
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\NY\usany\ny.ny373.wpt (1 hit)
Line 4: Ferry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.526740&lon=-73.404105
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\ON\canon\on.on006.wpt (1 hit)
Line 110: TobFerry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.256869&lon=-81.664317
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\ON\canon\on.on006man.wpt (1 hit)
Line 1: SBayFerry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.558547&lon=-82.011164
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\WI\usaus\wi.us010.wpt (1 hit)
Line 159: Ferry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.090020&lon=-87.650449
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\WI\usawi\wi.wi013.wpt (1 hit)
Line 117: Ferry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.810928&lon=-90.814619
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\WI\usawi\wi.wi042.wpt (1 hit)
Line 67: Ferry http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.290211&lon=-86.978438

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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2019, 04:31:14 pm »
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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 04:32:29 pm »
We always use "Fry" in Europe.
I take it you mean just plain "Fry" as the whole label. I think there's enough precedent for that in North America too...
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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 04:36:16 pm »
We always use "Fry" in Europe.
I take it you mean just plain "Fry" as the whole label. I think there's enough precedent for that in North America too...

No, we abbreviate "Ferry" to "Fry". I'm not aware of any plan "Fry" label in Europe. It's usually the name of the neighboring town/village + Fry, e.g. "AbcFry". When it's a simple ferry conncection with exactly two "ports", the labels are usually "AbcXyzFry" and "XyzAbcFry".

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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2019, 04:47:48 pm »
I've always used "Fry" rather than "Ferry".

As for what precedes "Fry", a mixed bag in my systems:

-- if a ferry route is normally served by only one vessel, use the vessel name, such as "GeoBlaFry" in the Yukon for the ferry crossing the Yukon River at Dawson

-- if a ferry route crosses a river, use the river name (in the Northwest Territories, it's used by ferry routes replaced by ice bridges in the winter, but it has less to do with that than with Tim's preference -- if it had been up to me, I could've gone with vessel name)

-- in British Columbia, the ferries connecting the island segments of the Trans-Canada Highway to the mainland go by the destination terminal:

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in Nanaimo on Vancouver Island, it's Hor(seshoe)BayFry
in Horseshoe Bay on the mainland it's Nan(aimo)Fry
in Skidegate on Haide Gwaii it's Pri(nce)Rup(ert)Fry
in Prince Rupert on the mainland it's Ski(degate)Fry.

-- not necessarily true elsewhere in BC, for example the ferry terminals on the route connecting two BC 17 segments (and also other routes) use the departure location rather than the destination

-- in Quebec, the ferry route connecting QC 138 segments (served by two vessels, for faster service) go by the departure terminal; this is how mapcat did it, and I haven't changed that

-- in Alaska, the Alaska Marine Highway System ferry terminals (serving multiple destinations with multiple vessels) are all labeled "AMHSFry", to distinguish them from other ferry services like the Rainforest Islands Ferry. which sporadically serves Mitkof Island (Petersburg) and other places with no numbered state highways
« Last Edit: September 21, 2019, 05:05:45 pm by oscar »

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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2019, 05:23:00 pm »
No, we abbreviate "Ferry" to "Fry". I'm not aware of any plan "Fry" label in Europe. It's usually the name of the neighboring town/village + Fry, e.g. "AbcFry". When it's a simple ferry conncection with exactly two "ports", the labels are usually "AbcXyzFry" and "XyzAbcFry".
ISTR most of what I've seen in North America uses an identical "AbcXyzFry" on both sides.

-- if a ferry route is normally served by only one vessel, use the vessel name, such as "GeoBlaFry" in the Yukon for the ferry crossing the Yukon River at Dawson
Similarly maybe SSBadFry for WI US10? Know of any precedent for this beyond your systems/regions?

-- if a ferry route crosses a river, use the river name (in the Northwest Territories, it's used by ferry routes replaced by ice bridges in the winter, but it has less to do with that than with Tim's preference -- if it had been up to me, I could've gone with vessel name)
Or OTOH maybe LakeMicFry?...

-- in British Columbia, the ferries connecting the island segments of the Trans-Canada Highway to the mainland go by the destination terminal:

Quote
in Nanaimo on Vancouver Island, it's Hor(seshoe)BayFry
in Horseshoe Bay on the mainland it's Nan(aimo)Fry
in Skidegate on Haide Gwaii it's Pri(nce)Rup(ert)Fry
in Prince Rupert on the mainland it's Ski(degate)Fry.

-- not necessarily true elsewhere in BC, for example the ferry terminals on the route connecting two BC 17 segments (and also other routes) use the departure location rather than the destination

-- in Quebec, the ferry route connecting QC 138 segments (served by two vessels, for faster service) go by the departure terminal; this is how mapcat did it, and I haven't changed that
Yep. Seen some precedent for both.
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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2019, 05:25:21 am »
These two are really old examples (the "Ferry" part) from before I think we nailed everything down.

I've fixed the labels in both files to the "TobFry & SouBayFry" ones.

On a side note, found a new interchange on ON-6 just by taking a quick look at it @ Laird Road (just north of ON-401), so I've added it as well to the file.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3178

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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2019, 05:19:41 am »
Does anybody want to split the other 'ferry' labels out into a separate thread, or can we go ahead and mark this as solved since it originally only dealt with the two on ON-6?

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Re: ON 6: "Ferry" labels
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2019, 12:28:40 pm »
It seems our sop for ferries never solidified much beyond naming them. The ones Oscar mentioned look ok wrt the word-truncation rules, and the WI one has its own thread, so I'm satisfied there.
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