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Title: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on January 02, 2016, 03:01:44 am
« Last Edit: March 27, 2016, 12:58:14 am by yakra »
http://www.gribblenation.net/mass21/intexits.html
Worcester Telegram's incomplete list of incomplete lists (http://www.telegram.com/article/20160319/NEWS/160319421#I190)

New:
https://www.newmassexits.com/
http://malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#photos

Route | Start date
MA140 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4273) | 2020-10-18 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2540143#msg2540143)
I-195 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4325) | 2020-10-25 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2541714#msg2541714)
MA25 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4352)  | 2020-11-23 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2549377#msg2549377)
MA3 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4414)   | 2020-11-30 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2549377#msg2549377)
US6 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4435)   | 2020-12-13 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2549455#msg2549455)
I-90 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4477)  | 2020-12-13 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2551195#msg2551195)
I-295 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4508) | 2021-01-03 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2558547#msg2558547)
MA24 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4325)  | 2021-01-05 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2558547#msg2558547)
US3 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4772)   | 2021-01-20 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2562439#msg2562439)
MA128 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4593) | 2021-02-03 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2566781#msg2566781)
I-95 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4772)  | 2021-02-21 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2570939#msg2570939)
I-84 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4606)  | 2021-02-28 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2570939#msg2570939)
I-91  | 2021-03-03 (http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/massdot-advisory-statewide-exit-renumbering-project/)
MA146 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4670) | 2021-03-21 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2586825#msg2586825)
I-190 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4670) | 2021-03-23 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2586825#msg2586825)
MA2   | 2021-03-25 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2586825#msg2586825)
I-93 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4844)  | (?)
I-495 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4932) | 2021-05-16 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2609937#msg2609937)
I-395 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5088) | 2021-08-08 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2643616#msg2643616)
I-290 | 2021-08-08 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2643616#msg2643616)
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on October 18, 2020, 12:07:09 pm
And so it begins...
Quote from: bob7374 on aaroads (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2540143#msg2540143)
Corridor: Route 140
Approximate start and completion dates: Oct. 18 - Oct. 23
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/uncategorized/federally-required-exit-renumbering-beginning-on-rt-140-the-week-of-oct-18/
https://www.wcvb.com/article/massachusetts-exit-numbers-changing-october-route-140-first/34388436

Quote from: kramie13 on aaroads (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2541566#msg2541566)
WCVB had a story on the news this morning about the new exit numbers.  You can see actual video footage of the first mile-based numbers going up:
https://www.wcvb.com/article/massachusetts-exit-numbers-change-begins-route-140-first/34413239
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: cl94 on October 20, 2020, 02:18:02 pm
MA 140 Exit 12...er, 20 has evidently been converted, per photos in the Northeast Roads Facebook group. Rest of them should be coming by the end of the week.
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on November 18, 2020, 06:21:11 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4325
I-195 is just about done.
http://malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#photos shows the eastbound terminus hasn't been renumbered yet. Rather than burn up an I-495 label only to change again in short order, I've gone ahead and called it 40 (https://www.newmassexits.com/i-195-corridor) already under the assumption that "this exit was not forgotten about and will be given new numbers at the same time Route 25 is renumbered starting the night of November 8." Heh.

65 out of 78 list files will be broken:
1 1995hoo 43054dude aaroads atsiatas baugh17 bhemphill brendan capn chaddean charliezeb cl94 dantheman dcm55343 deathtopumpkins dfilpus dgolub dharwood dnthrox dougtone drebbin37 drfrankenstein duke87 foresthills93 formulanone froggie gman2337 griffith highway63 htm_duke jackgaynor JamesMD jjbers jonfmorse justjake jweeks kubbage lkefct M3200 mapcat mariethefoxy master_son mefailenglish mikeandkristie neilbert neroute2 nezinscot ngrier noelbotevera okroads oscar ovoss_old pnrrth scott_stieglitz squatchis tag42481 tbwillie terescoj terminal_moraine ua747sp valedc03ls vdeane vespertine wadsteckel walkabout44
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on December 01, 2020, 12:01:22 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4352
MA25 is done.
(This file didn't even use the sequential exit numbers till 2018ish, so a lot of people still use the old MA28 label, and their .lists aren't broken.)

10 out of 49 list files will be broken.
420Traveler ben114 brendan drebbin37 foresthills93 formulanone M3200 nezinscot norheim valedc03ls
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on December 21, 2020, 12:12:02 pm
MA3 is done.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4414

broken .lists:
aaroads afarina brendan dfilpus mapmikey master_son neroute2* ntallyn okroads scott_stieglitz squatchis

*Pre-broken. Pull request fixes it.
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on December 27, 2020, 09:20:38 am
It looks like you are good to move forward on US 6.  (despite that people in Cape Cod are still complaining about it)

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2557875#msg2557875
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on December 27, 2020, 01:49:16 pm
To take the easy way out, continuing the old CHM "no exit numbers on US Highways" tradition = no-build here. ;)
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on December 27, 2020, 05:38:49 pm
To take the easy way out, continuing the old CHM "no exit numbers on US Highways" tradition = no-build here. ;)

Based on exit numbers popping up all over NC (US 1, US 29, US 52, US 64, US 70, US 74, etc.), I would say that we have moved on from that rule.  Besides, why would US 6 be on the list at the top of the page if you were not planning to convert the points to exit numbers?
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on December 28, 2020, 02:06:58 pm
Because I blindly copied all the route listings from https://www.newmassexits.com/ (hence the cases of 2 routes listed on 1 line) and then rearranged, added links & color coded as reports came in via aaroads that they were coming up for conversion. I never thought about whether it was using the old exit numbers already.
IOW, I guess we can say I did plan to convert it, then when I opened up the route and saw the crossroad labels, it became a lower priority. :)

Nonetheless, you talked me into it:
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4435

There will still be US Routes without exit number labels lurking around my states.
Those that still use sequential numbering (e.g. CT US7), or have a could-be-should-be-changed nonsensical numbering scheme that doesn't seem to make sense from either a sequential or mileage-based standpoint (I'm looking at you, TX US75) will not be a priority for conversion.
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on December 28, 2020, 02:26:36 pm
Quote
There will still be US Routes without exit number labels lurking around my states.
Those that still use sequential numbering (e.g. CT US7), or have a could-be-should-be-changed nonsensical numbering scheme that doesn't seem to make sense from either a sequential or mileage-based standpoint (I'm looking at you, TX US75) will not be a priority for conversion.

I agree.  It is not a high priority thing, but I consider it as something that should be done as we go especially if there are other changes to the route in question.

Having stated that, I really hope that PA finds a way to move forward with adding exit numbers to US Highways (US 22, US 30, US 202, US 219, etc.) sooner rather than later. 

Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on December 28, 2020, 02:37:12 pm
I agree.  It is not a high priority thing, but I consider it as something that should be done as we go especially if there are other changes to the route in question.
I'm looking through my US Routes (usaus only, not usausb) now to see if there's anything else I can convert to numbered.
Sequentially numbered routes are not a priority not only because changing the labels only to change them later on is a drag, but mainly because a numbered exit might have to move later on upon conversion to milepost, and break a .list. This was the rationale behind holding off on numbering RI10's exits. (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2592)
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: SSOWorld on December 29, 2020, 06:20:27 am
Can we have some consistency? and while we're at it lets put exit numbers on US and state routes!  There are states in the midwest that need em.  (IA, WI)
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on December 29, 2020, 11:36:07 am
OK US69 & US75 are gonna get`em in a few minutes.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on December 29, 2020, 04:24:17 pm
I-90, Phase 1:
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4445

Phase 2 (E of I-95) will happen when there's confirmation via AARoads that it's taken place in the field. When it does, it won't break any .lists, as the remaining future exit numbers are all way bigger than anything in the file now.
At that time, MA MA9 I-90(22) -> I-90(133)

Somewhat surprisingly, only Exit 10 is broken.

broken .lists:
dcharlie foresthills93 formulanone froggie hsford JamesMD jweeks mapmikey markkos1992 mojavenc noelbotevera paulthemapguy rlee roadgeek_adam roukan sipes23
Title: Re: MA exit number conversion
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 30, 2020, 12:58:52 am
Having stated that, I really hope that PA finds a way to move forward with adding exit numbers to US Highways (US 22, US 30, US 202, US 219, etc.) sooner rather than later.

That and FINALLY convert PA-28 from sequential to mileage based, as it's the last sequential #'ed highway left in the state.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on December 30, 2020, 09:37:45 am
There's one left!?
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 30, 2020, 10:00:02 am
There's one left!?

Yep.  PA-28 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&r=pa.pa028) is completely sequential still.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: vdeane on December 30, 2020, 10:02:15 pm
More than one - US 6 and PA 581 are sequential as well.  In the case of PA 581 this isn't a problem and it's frankly not worth converting (half the exits are right on and the remaining half are off by 1), but it's quite an issue for US 6.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on December 31, 2020, 07:18:15 am
More than one - US 6 and PA 581 are sequential as well.  In the case of PA 581 this isn't a problem and it's frankly not worth converting (half the exits are right on and the remaining half are off by 1), but it's quite an issue for US 6.

I consider US 6 (the Carbondale Bypass) as similar to the sequential exit numbers that show up on US 460/Corridor Q (specifically the Richlands, Tazewell, Bluefield, and Christiansburg/Blacksburg Bypass).  I am unsure why they are there, and I see no reason to convert them to even sequential numbers based on this.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on January 19, 2021, 01:55:48 am
MA24 is just about done.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4325
Jumping the gun on relabeling the N terminus, on "crews haven't turned around and made their way back to the beginning yet" grounds, same deal as I-195 (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=7.msg20881#msg20881).

broken .lists:
afarina baugh17 ben114 dantheman dcharlie dfilpus M3200 neroute2 regoarrarr scott_stieglitz ssgtcrusty
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: cl94 on January 19, 2021, 07:39:21 pm
More than one - US 6 and PA 581 are sequential as well.  In the case of PA 581 this isn't a problem and it's frankly not worth converting (half the exits are right on and the remaining half are off by 1), but it's quite an issue for US 6.

PA 29 and PA 309 in Luzerne County remain sequential with no plans to change that.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: SSOWorld on January 25, 2021, 07:15:44 am
I-295 has been renumbered according to a field check by Bob Malme on Facebook.


https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html?fbclid=IwAR2YanLlehedE2wY2TcnKDYkSLfA-NsFtoAFrJ2rACyxi--SO7sZGGg4BIQ#i295exits
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on January 25, 2021, 12:10:11 pm
I-295
I-295 has been renumbered according to a field check by Bob Malme on Facebook.
https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html?fbclid=IwAR2YanLlehedE2wY2TcnKDYkSLfA-NsFtoAFrJ2rACyxi--SO7sZGGg4BIQ#i295exits

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4508

broken .lists:
1995hoo 43054dude atsiatas Beerman bejacob ben114 bhemphill brendan chaddean charliezeb cl94 dantheman dave1693 dcm55343 deathtopumpkins dharwood dlsterner dnthrox dougtone drebbin37 duke87 epzik8 flroads foresthills93 formulanone froggie highway63 htm_duke johninkingwood julmac lakewy17 lkefct mapcat mariethefoxy master_son mikeandkristie myselfalso neilbert new_friends_gr nezinscot okroads oscar osu_lsu ovoss_old pahighways scott_stieglitz ssgtcrusty tbwillie terescoj terminal_moraine valedc03ls vdeane vespertine wadsteckel walkabout44 yakra
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on January 28, 2021, 01:36:52 pm
For US3, we still need to confirm:
• the final SB exit, at I-95
• the NB-only exit right before the NH line
Since US3 still uses old CHM-style named labels anyway, I'll defer converting it until I-95 is done, and then take care of everything at once including the new 50B(95) & 51(95) labels.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on March 02, 2021, 01:43:57 pm
Bob Malme has indicated that MA 128 is completed. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2578726#msg2578726)

The final SB exit on US 3 is Exit 72. (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#photos)
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on March 02, 2021, 04:59:36 pm
Saved locally; not yet committed.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4593
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on March 09, 2021, 04:18:26 pm
I-84 seems to be complete now. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2581761#msg2581761)  Oddly Bob Malme got beat on this one.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on March 11, 2021, 11:38:46 am
I-84
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4606

broken .lists:
afarina baugh17 klundgren M3200 mr_matt_k trobster

Those who update via GitHub (TM usernames):
afarina mr_matt_k

GitHub usernames:
@ajfarina @mr-matt-k

Those left over who update by email:
baugh17 klundgren M3200 trobster
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on April 09, 2021, 12:52:07 pm
Bob Malme has indicated that renumbering has been completed for I-190 and MA 146. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2594819#msg2594819)
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on April 09, 2021, 02:10:39 pm
MA146 & I-190
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4670

All .list file breakage occurred on MA146. Nobody's travels on I-190 were affected.

All travelers with broken .lists:
ben114 charliezeb cl94 dantheman dougtone drebbin37 duke87 fwydriver405 hugbear51 jonsamuels lakewy17 lkefct M3200 mariethefoxy nezinscot skatcher terminal_moraine vdeane whopperman

Those who update via GitHub (TM usernames):
ben114 cl94 duke87 jonsamuels nezinscot terminal_moraine vdeane

GitHub usernames:
@benchase1 @cl994 @Duke87ofST @JonSamuels @denishanson @mbeller2016 @vdeane

Those left over who update by email:
charliezeb dantheman dougtone drebbin37 fwydriver405 hugbear51 lakewy17 lkefct M3200 mariethefoxy skatcher whopperman
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on April 16, 2021, 12:38:00 pm
MA2 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2597530#msg2597530)
Edit: Not everything has photo confirmation yet.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: vdeane on April 17, 2021, 04:13:04 pm
According to the New Mass Exits site, I-91 is complete (https://www.newmassexits.com/#it-schedule).
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on April 18, 2021, 11:10:21 am
Right, also waiting for photo confirmation of that one. I may go get such myself if nobody closer does so first...
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on May 12, 2021, 01:30:43 pm
Bob Malme's latest updates indicates that I-95 is complete. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2612663#msg2612663) (at least southbound)  I did not look at MA 2.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on May 13, 2021, 02:58:06 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4772

I-95

Broken labels that have moved from one location to another:
60 59 58 57 49 46 45 44 38 37 36 33 31 29 26 25 21 17 12 7 6 4

Indirectly broken labels: These old labels were not needed at a new location, but were intentionally broken because everybody using them in a .list file paired them with one of the broken points above. Rather than create bad stats & maps for everyone, I opted to just break these .list lines & thus include notes in the .log files that they need attention.
19A 35 40 50

All travelers with broken .lists:
1 1995hoo a3 afarina andrepoiy_total angelsfreeek atsiatas barefoot_driver baugh17 Beerman ben114 bhemphill brendan clark1mt clong crosboro7 dcharlie dfilpus dgolub dlsterner epzik8 eth finnedude flroads georgiaroadgeek gman2337 gpw harvey highplainstrvlr hoss6884 hsford hurricanehink imgoph intheam jackgaynor JamesMD jayhawkco jjbers jonsamuels jpinyan jt2020 julmac justjake keithcavey lamsalfl M3200 mapmikey marnen martindelaware mikeandkristie mojavenc mwasleski navigator njroadhorse noelbotevera nrm1221 oldduck osu_lsu paulthemapguy pbryan pnrrth presidentman rebelgtp regoarrarr RMA58 roadguy2 scott_stieglitz shiggins skatcher sneezy squatchis ssgtcrusty stoneyrds tag42481 thing342 ua747sp vespertine w9tam whopperman wphiii

Those who update via GitHub (TM usernames):
afarina andrepoiy_total atsiatas Beerman ben114 clark1mt dgolub dlsterner eth finnedude harvey hoss6884 jackgaynor jayhawkco jjbers jonsamuels keithcavey mapmikey marnen martindelaware mojavenc mwasleski navigator njroadhorse oldduck pbryan pnrrth rebelgtp roadguy2 thing342 ua747sp wphiii

GitHub usernames:
@ajfarina @andrepoiy @atsiatas @bswift119 @benchase1 @clark1mt @dgolub @dlsterner @tmharley @FinneDude @yakra @Hoss6884 @yakra @chrislwillers @jjbers @JonSamuels @keithcavey @mapmikey @marnen @martindelaware @NickCPDX @mwasleski @measuren @njroadhorse @bhoward @pbryan7 @pnrrth @rebelgtp @roadguy2 @Thing342 @ua747sp @wphackney

Those left over who update by email:
1 1995hoo a3 angelsfreeek barefoot_driver baugh17 bhemphill brendan clong crosboro7 dcharlie dfilpus epzik8 flroads georgiaroadgeek gman2337 gpw highplainstrvlr hsford hurricanehink imgoph intheam JamesMD jpinyan jt2020 julmac justjake lamsalfl M3200 mikeandkristie noelbotevera nrm1221 osu_lsu paulthemapguy presidentman regoarrarr RMA58 scott_stieglitz shiggins skatcher sneezy squatchis ssgtcrusty stoneyrds tag42481 vespertine w9tam whopperman



MA128

Broken labels:
45(95) 44(95) 38(95) 37(95) 31(95) 29(95) 26(95)

Indirectly broken labels:
24(95) 32B(95)

All travelers with broken .lists:
a3 ben114 bobcobb brendan dantheman froggie highway63 hoss6884 htm_duke imgoph jimvette jonsamuels jstalica jwood martindelaware master_son mefailenglish mikeandkristie navigator okroads pahighways paulthemapguy presidentman roadgeek_adam scott_stieglitz sneezy synkdorbit terminal_moraine tikester ua747sp

Those who update via GitHub (TM usernames):
ben114 froggie hoss6884 jonsamuels martindelaware master_son navigator terminal_moraine ua747sp

GitHub usernames:
@benchase1 @ajfroggie @Hoss6884 @JonSamuels @martindelaware @ssoworld @measuren @mbeller2016 @ua747sp

Those left over who update by email:
a3 bobcobb brendan dantheman highway63 htm_duke imgoph jimvette jstalica jwood mefailenglish mikeandkristie okroads pahighways paulthemapguy presidentman roadgeek_adam scott_stieglitz sneezy synkdorbit tikester
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: vdeane on May 15, 2021, 06:53:39 pm
Should US 3 be marked as done in the OP?  It looks like it was done with I-95... I'm presuming no mention here since it didn't have the old numbers, thereby making it easy to relabel without breaking things.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on May 15, 2021, 11:40:48 pm
Oops, edited the OP. Thanks for the heads-up. Your presumption is correct.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on May 22, 2021, 01:55:07 am
Bob Malme reports that I-93 is complete. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2617256#msg2617256) No photos north of MA125 yet though.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on May 31, 2021, 03:05:48 pm
Bob Malme reports that I-93 is complete. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2617256#msg2617256) No photos north of MA125 yet though.

The photos were added north of MA 125 today (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2620687#msg2620687).
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on June 02, 2021, 02:09:42 pm
I-93
Broken labels that have moved from one location to another:
18 20 22 23 24 26 27 28 31 40 46

Old Exit 41 was not needed at a new location, but intentionally broken and not kept as an AltLabel -- the only person using it in a .list file paired it with Exit 40, which has moved. Rather than create bad stats & maps, I opted to just break dantheman.list & thus include a note in dantheman.log that the line needs attention.

All travelers with broken .lists:
25or6to4 andrepoiy_total baugh17 Beerman ben114 clong cvoight dantheman dave1693 dfilpus dgolub finnedude georgiaroadgeek gpw hoss6884 hugbear51 Ib3kii intheam jackgaynor JamesMD jjbers julmac keithcavey kj kjslaughter lakewy17 lamsalfl lowenbrau M3200 mapmikey MatthewR mefailenglish mwasleski myselfalso new_friends_gr njroadhorse nrm1221 ntallyn oldduck pahighways presidentman RMA58 roadgeek_adam roadguy2 roukan sbb618 scott_stieglitz scstrawn skatcher sneezy thefxexpert ua747sp w9tam wphiii

Those who update via GitHub (TM usernames):
25or6to4 andrepoiy_total Beerman ben114 cvoight dave1693 dgolub finnedude hoss6884 jackgaynor jjbers keithcavey kj mapmikey mwasleski myselfalso njroadhorse ntallyn oldduck roadguy2 thefxexpert ua747sp wphiii

GitHub usernames:
@TXStormchaser @andrepoiy @bswift119 @benchase1 @cvoight @dave1693 @dgolub @FinneDude @Hoss6884 @mrpoodlepants @jjbers2-1 @keithcavey @kj-joseph @mapmikey @mwasleski @myselfalso @njroadhorse @ntallyn @bhoward @roadguy2 @theFXexpert @ua747sp @wphackney

Those left over who update by email:
baugh17 clong dantheman dfilpus georgiaroadgeek gpw hugbear51 Ib3kii intheam JamesMD julmac kjslaughter lakewy17 lamsalfl lowenbrau M3200 MatthewR mefailenglish new_friends_gr nrm1221 pahighways presidentman RMA58 roadgeek_adam roukan sbb618 scott_stieglitz scstrawn skatcher sneezy w9tam

MA3
18(93) is broken, affecting only @cvoight.

US1 & MA28
No broken .lists.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on June 02, 2021, 06:02:36 pm
The photos were added north of MA 125 today (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2620687#msg2620687).
I have been watching this AARoads thread closely. I've posted in it, and am notified when it's updated.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on June 02, 2021, 06:33:36 pm
The photos were added north of MA 125 today (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16734.msg2620687#msg2620687).
I have been watching this AARoads thread closely. I've posted in it, and am notified when it's updated.

Yeah, I figured that.  I purposely had only mentioned when a route is truly photographed for that reason.  I did not look at the I-495 photos earlier today, but apparently an exit or two was skipped south of US 3.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: froggie on June 19, 2021, 08:29:55 pm
Wish I knew 91 needed checking...just drove it a week and a half ago...
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: vdeane on June 20, 2021, 06:00:38 pm
I happened to drive I-91 today and can confirm that the changes for old exits 1-15 match what MA says they are (https://www.newmassexits.com/i-91-corridor).  Photos should be on my site on the next update, likely a week from now.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on June 27, 2021, 10:07:22 am
Looks like 495 is ready per a quick look at Bob Malme's photo page.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: vdeane on June 27, 2021, 09:13:01 pm
I went down I-91 south of I-90 both direction on a daytrip last weekend.  The photos are on my site - should be good for verification from the CT line to exit 12. https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i91&state=MA
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on June 28, 2021, 12:58:58 am
I-495
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4932

Broken labels that have moved from one location to another:
12 14 15 19 22 25 27 36 41

Indirectly broken labels: These old labels were not needed at a new location, but were intentionally broken because everybody using them in a .list file paired them with one of the broken points above. Rather than create bad stats & maps for everyone, I opted to just break these .list lines & thus include notes in the .log files that they need attention.
34 35C

All travelers with broken .lists:
1995hoo 420Traveler a3 afarina angelsfreeek atsiatas bobcobb brendan capn chart33 dave1693 dcharlie dharwood gpw griffith highway63 hoss6884 hsford hurricanehink jackgaynor jaehak jjbers johninkingwood jonfmorse jonsamuels klundgren kubbage lowenbrau M3200 mapmikey mariethefoxy markkos1992 mefailenglish mikeandkristie mojavenc navigator ngrier noelbotevera paulthemapguy pbryan presidentman rlee RMA58 roadgeek_adam roukan sbb618 sbeaver44 sipes23 SK220 skatcher sneezy ssgtcrusty stoneyrds tag42481 tikester ua747sp valedc03ls vespertine yakra

Those who update via GitHub (TM usernames):
420Traveler afarina atsiatas dave1693 griffith hoss6884 jackgaynor jjbers jonfmorse jonsamuels kubbage mapmikey markkos1992 mojavenc navigator pbryan sipes23 ua747sp yakra

GitHub usernames:
@420Traveler @ajfarina @atsiatas @dave1693 @axadiver @Hoss6884 @mrpoodlepants @jjbers2-1 @jonfmorse @JonSamuels @warrenkubat @mapmikey @Markkos1992 @NickCPDX @measuren @pbryan7 @sipes23 @ua747sp @yakra

Those left over who update by email:
1995hoo a3 angelsfreeek bobcobb brendan capn chart33 dcharlie dharwood gpw highway63 hsford hurricanehink jaehak johninkingwood klundgren lowenbrau M3200 mariethefoxy mefailenglish mikeandkristie ngrier noelbotevera paulthemapguy presidentman rlee RMA58 roadgeek_adam roukan sbb618 sbeaver44 SK220 skatcher sneezy ssgtcrusty stoneyrds tag42481 tikester valedc03ls vespertine



Jim: You (and only you) get falsely flagged as an email contributor on all these lists, and don't receive an @mention on GitHub. Nota Bene.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on September 03, 2021, 12:49:39 pm
I-395
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5088

Broken labels that have moved from one location to another:
4 7

6 was not retained as an AltLabel for 11, because the 2 people using it have the old Exit 7 as the other waypoint. Rather than create bad stats & maps, I opted to just break these .list lines & thus include notes in the .log files that they need attention.

All travelers with broken .lists:
1 aaroads atsiatas ben114 charliezeb cl94 dantheman dave1693 dcm55343 deathtopumpkins dnthrox dougtone drebbin37 duke87 electronym foresthills93 froggie fwydriver405 gpw htm_duke hurricanehink JamesMD jjbers johninkingwood jpinyan jstalica lakewy17 lkefct M3200 mapcat mariethefoxy master_son neilbert nezinscot norheim okroads oscar ovoss_old pbryan sbeaver44 tbwillie tckma terescoj terminal_moraine ua747sp valedc03ls vdeane wadsteckel walkabout44 wphiii yakra

Those who update via GitHub (TM usernames):
atsiatas ben114 cl94 dave1693 duke87 electronym froggie jjbers mapcat master_son neilbert nezinscot oscar pbryan tckma terescoj terminal_moraine ua747sp vdeane wphiii yakra

GitHub usernames:
@atsiatas @benchase1 @cl994 @dave1693 @Duke87ofST @electronym @ajfroggie @jjbers2-1 @mapcat @ssoworld @neilbert @denishanson @ovoss @pbryan7 @tckma317 @jimttesting @mbeller2016 @ua747sp @vdeane @wphackney @yakra

Those left over who update by email:
1 aaroads charliezeb dantheman dcm55343 deathtopumpkins dnthrox dougtone drebbin37 foresthills93 fwydriver405 gpw htm_duke hurricanehink JamesMD johninkingwood jpinyan jstalica lakewy17 lkefct M3200 mariethefoxy norheim okroads ovoss_old sbeaver44 tbwillie valedc03ls wadsteckel walkabout44
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: SSOWorld on September 09, 2021, 05:32:29 am
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/statewide-exit-renumbering-work-complete/


spose we can finish the rest now?
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on September 09, 2021, 02:19:34 pm
Was all set to commit changes to I-290, but then had to get nitpicky about the shared endpoint with I-395.

When converting I-395, I didn't take the 12A/B split into consideration, and just used 12 for the endpoint label. OK whatever, SFSG.

For I-290, doing a straight-up conversion of old->new exit numbers (https://newmassexits.com/i-290-and-i-395) begs for 7->12A and 8->12B.
Considered changing 12->12A on I-395 to match, and have a uniform unbroken labeling sequence along the one physical highway.
But that doesn't sit quite right in that I-395 has no exit 12A. Not for the exit numbers facing travelers along, well, I-395. And its Exit 12 is a bit farther north than the "12A" (current MA I-290 7 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=ma.i290&lat=42.187977&lon=-71.84771&zoom=18)) point, connecting directly to MA12. Part of the footprint of what's for now still waypoint 8 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=ma.i290&lat=42.191986&lon=-71.84653&zoom=18). (Heh wow. Never really noticed how the 395->90 movement is Breezewooded thru intersections with 3 local streets...)
Then I thought, 1PPI! 12A & 12B are in name more clearly part of the "same thing" than 7 & 8 (heck, the NB exit was already signed as Exit 7 anyway).
We could collapse 7 & 8 into one point, labeled 12 because Exits 12A & 12B in one interchange. (https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php#dropa)
Centering on MA12 is a nice central location for the whole complex, and that would allow a graph connection -- OxfSt (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=ma.ma012&lat=42.18887&lon=-71.848939&zoom=15) could slide over a bit & become I-290/395.

Or... labeling? MA12 has a vanilla I-290 point. For those who find both a numberless I-290 and I-290/395 awkward, it could become I-290(14), and would-be I-290/395 could become I-290(12) instead, dovetailing with one another a bit better. By that point, the highway is already I-290 anyway, if only for a matter of feet. ;) MASSDOT GIS has the designation changing at the gores of the directional ramps to/from the I-90 connector.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Markkos1992 on September 09, 2021, 02:31:14 pm
I'm fine with it.  I did see a couple of labels on MA 12 (SouSt>-SouSt_N and WebSt>-WebSt_S) in the area that I would edit in the meantime.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on September 10, 2021, 02:06:59 pm
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/statewide-exit-renumbering-work-complete/
spose we can finish the rest now?
Was waiting till we got photo confirmation for I-91 & MA2, but that's not a very good reason to hold off. Yes, let's finish this off.
Nota bene: While https://newmassexits.com/i-91-corridor implies 6->5 southbound, and OSM seems to have picked this up & run with it, https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#i91signs1 shows it's in fact 5A. I don't see any other potential sources of confusion like this that'd require photo verification.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5100
Holding off a wee bit longer on I-290, to allow for more discussion on what to do with its endpoint at I-395, whether to merge 12A & 12B into 12, and what to label the points on MA12 (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=7.msg25321#msg25321).



MA2
No .list files broken.
The smallest new exit number is greater than the largest old number.



I-91
Broken labels that have moved from one location to another:
6 7 8 12 14 25 26 27

16 was not retained as an AltLabel for 14, because the 1 person using it has the old Exit 27 as the other waypoint. Rather than create bad stats & maps, I opted to just break osu_lsu.list & thus include a note in the .log file that it needs attention.

All travelers with broken .lists:
1 afarina ben114 bhemphill clark1mt dave1693 dfilpus fwydriver405 highplainstrvlr highway63 hsford Ib3kii jstalica julmac jwood lakewy17 M3200 mapmikey mc49399 mefailenglish mikeandkristie new_friends_gr ngrier njhighways osu_lsu sbeaver44 scott_stieglitz SK220 Smeeg101 sneezy squatchis stnyroads tckma thehighwayman3561 therealcu2010 vespertine whopperman

Those who update via GitHub (TM usernames):
afarina ben114 clark1mt dave1693 mapmikey SK220 stnyroads

GitHub usernames:
@ajfarina @benchase1 @clark1mt @dave1693 @mapmikey @USRoute220 @dlainhart

Those left over who update by email:
1 bhemphill dfilpus fwydriver405 highplainstrvlr highway63 hsford Ib3kii jstalica julmac jwood lakewy17 M3200 mc49399 mefailenglish mikeandkristie new_friends_gr ngrier njhighways osu_lsu sbeaver44 scott_stieglitz Smeeg101 sneezy squatchis tckma thehighwayman3561 therealcu2010 vespertine whopperman



US5
Waypoint I-91(23) moved from State Rd in Whately, now labeled I-91(32), to Mount Tom Rd in Northampton.
I-91(21) purposefully broken, as it was only paired with I-91(23).
Ping JJBers.
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: vdeane on September 11, 2021, 05:04:12 pm
The proposed merging of potential points 12A and 12B and associated changes for MA 12 sound fine to me.  The only thing I'd note is that whatever alt labels are done for I-290 should probably be done with MassDOT's proposal to merge it into I-395 should the dual mile markers cause confusion in mind.

EDIT: fittingly enough, the board is telling me this is post #290 for me!
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on September 11, 2021, 11:42:00 pm
The only thing I'd note is that whatever alt labels are done for I-290 should probably be done with MassDOT's proposal to merge it into I-395 should the dual mile markers cause confusion in mind.
I-290 will not have any AltLabels -- annoyingly, it will be broken for literally everybody.
Every in-use waypoint label will have to move to a new mileage-based location, except for 7 & 8.
Exit 8 is only used in jweeks.list: MA I-290 8 19. Rather than create bad stats & maps, removing the 8 AltLabel from the file will create a lack of stats & maps -- and leave a note in jweeks.log that something needs attention.
Exit 7 is the same deal on a much larger scale: Everything it's paired with, in every .list line, is already broken. So I'll also remove the 7 AltLabel and nudge everybody to make the changes they'd need to make anyway.

Should the extension/redesignation happen, I-290 would become an AltRouteName of I-395, the same way NY I-895 in a list file redirects to NY NY895, and I-290's data would get tacked onto the end of the I-395 file.
Old sequential numbers on I-290 that become new mileage-based numbers on I-395 are 7, 9, and 11.
9 & 11 are not in use on I-290, so they'll just be deleted; no AltLabels, no problem.
Any stray .list lines with MA I-290 7 would end up pointing to the new Exit 7 on the extended I-395, though this is unavoidable with 7 needed at the new location.

EDIT: fittingly enough, the board is telling me this is post #290 for me!
;D
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on September 15, 2021, 01:27:26 pm
I-290

All .list entries for MA I-290 are broken! :(

Can't remember whether you have travels there? Here's everybody:
1 1995hoo 420Traveler aaroads angelsfreeek atsiatas baugh17 Beerman ben114 bobcobb brendan charliezeb chart33 cl94 crosboro7 dantheman dave1693 dcharlie dcm55343 deathtopumpkins dlsterner dnthrox dougtone drebbin37 duke87 electronym formulanone froggie fwydriver405 gpw griffith highway63 hoss6884 hsford htm_duke hugbear51 hurricanehink jaehak JamesMD jjbers johninkingwood jpinyan jstalica jt2020 justjake jweeks klundgren lakewy17 lkefct lowenbrau M3200 mapcat mapmikey mariethefoxy markkos1992 martindelaware master_son mojavenc neilbert nezinscot ngrier noelbotevera norheim okroads oscar ovoss_old paulthemapguy pbryan rlee roadgeek_adam roukan sbb618 sbeaver44 sipes23 SK220 skatcher tbwillie tckma terescoj terminal_moraine thehighwayman3561 tikester ua747sp valedc03ls vdeane wadsteckel walkabout44 whopperman yakra

So that wraps up Operation Mass. renumbering, and one of the very first topics on the forum can finally be marked as solved!
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: Jim on September 15, 2021, 03:46:02 pm
Potentially handy way to see the old and new numbers, (more or less) side by side:

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5108/commits/801fbfaae47d2b95887b366cef52184b1c3fcdc7
Title: Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
Post by: yakra on September 15, 2021, 05:19:14 pm
^ The lines are off by one, because old 7 & 8 have been collapsed into new 12.

There's also:
https://newmassexits.com/i-290-and-i-395