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Title: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on March 05, 2016, 02:37:23 pm
RAG list of potential systems (Black=not in HB, Red=devel, Orange=preview, Chocolate=review requested, Green=active).

alavt - Aland Valtatiet
albsh - Albania Rrugë Shtetërore Roads
andcg - Andorra Carreteras Generales Roads
armm - Armenia Magistrale
autb - Austria Landesstraßen B
azem - Azerbaijan Magistrale
beln - Belgium Route Nationale / Gewestwegen (michih) reviewer: si404
belr - Belgium Ringwegen
bihm - Bosnia and Herzegovina Magistralni Put
bgri - Bulgaria First and Second Class Roads
blrm - Belarus M Roads
cheh - Switzerland Hauptstrassen
cisa - Central Asian doroga nacional'nogo znacenija
cism - Central Asia Magistral
cypb - Cyprus B Roads
cypd - Cyprus Devlet Yolları (introduced to northern Cyprus in 2013, not much information about it)
czei - Czechia Silnice I. Třídy
deub - Germany Bundesstraßen
dnkpr - Denmark Primaerruter
espn - Spain Carretera Nacionales
estp - Estonia Pohimaanteed
frolv - Faroe Islands Landvegur
finvt - Finland Valtatiet
fran - France Routes Nationales
frht - Corsica Routes Territoriales
geos - Georgia Sakartvelo Roads
gbna - Great Britain A Roads
grceo - Greece Ethniki Odos
hrvd - Croatia Državna Cesta
hunf - Hungary Főút
islth - Iceland Þjóðvegir
imna - Isle of Man A Roads
isrh - Israel Highways
itass - Italy Strada Statale (si404) reviewer: michih
jeya - Jersey A Roads
kaza - Kazakhstan Main Roads
kgzem - Kyrgyzstan ЭМ Roads
irln - Ireland National Roads
ltua - Lithuania Magstralinai Keliai
luxn - Luxembourg Nationalstrossen
lvaa - Latvia Valsts Galvenie Autoceli
mdam - Moldova Magistrale
mkda - Northern Macedonia Magistrale
mltt - Malta Trig
mnem - Montenegro Magistralni Put
nira - Northern Ireland A Roads
nldr - Netherlands Rijksweg
norrv - Norway Riksveier
poldk - Poland Drogi Krajowa
prtic - Portugal Itinerários Complementares
prtve - Madeira Via Expresso
rksn - Kosovo National Roads
roudn - Romania Drumuri Nationales
rusm - Russia Moskva Roads
rusr - Russia Regional Roads (si404)
rusa - Russia Access Roads (si404)
srbb - Serbia Državni Put
svki - Slovakia Cesta I. Triedy
svng - Slovenia Glavne Ceste
swer - Sweden Riksvägar
turd - Turkey Devlet Yolları (panda80) reviewer: si404
ukrm - Ukraine Mezdunarodnyj
uzbn - Uzbekistan ??? (https://orexca.com/rus/uzbekistan_roads.shtml)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on March 07, 2016, 01:31:30 pm
Thanks for the latest update :).

Aruba is missing the country assignment in the HB though.
I think the systems.csv entry is incorrect:

abwrt;ABW;Aruba Routes;brown;4;devel
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abwrt;NLD;Aruba Routes;brown;4;devel
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on March 19, 2016, 05:25:18 pm
A little correction about the (German) system names:
auts - Austria Schnellstraßen
autb - Austria Bundesstraßen **
deub - Germany Bundesstraßen

Straße is with sharp S in Germany and Austria. Please correct the name of the auts system which is already active.
Sharp S is generally not used in Switzerland though:

chen - Switzerland Autostrassen

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(though most are A roads, IIRC)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Nationalstrassen_der_Schweiz

** Austrian Bundesstraßen were federal roads till 2002. They are state-owned roads now but still signed with 'B' (except Vorarlberg where they are signed with 'L' now). The official name is 'Landesstraßen B'. In Vienna, they are called 'Hauptstraßen B'.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fensystem_in_%C3%96sterreich#Landesstra.C3.9Fe
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on March 19, 2016, 06:30:36 pm
So the bloody spelling reform that meant I had to use different spelling to what I had learnt in previous years when it came to my final year in school (when they learnt that the exams wasn't going to allow spellings that had been wrong for the past 6 years, rather than deny the 1996 reforms had happened, as they exam board had done in previous years, and demand pre-reform spelling) got overturned? :'(
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on March 21, 2016, 01:37:38 pm
Would be great if Faroe, Iceland, Norway and Sweden could be the next systems done because they are the only countries which don't appear in the highway browser. Sweden and Norway only appear if you enter the (correct but unknown) country code in the region filter box :).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on March 21, 2016, 05:15:05 pm
Would be great if Faroe, Iceland, Norway and Sweden could be the next systems done because they are the only countries which don't appear in the highway browser. Sweden and Norway only appear if you enter the (correct but unknown) country code in the region filter box :).
I'd imagine that the issue of country codes will be sorted will be before the Swedish and Norwegian systems (and SWE and NOR are not only ISO-3116-3, but really obvious).

Unlike most of the European systems I've added recently, I can't knock any of these out in 2 hours, save maybe the Faroe Islands. They are big, complex, slightly confusing (esp Norway where its hard to discern between Rv and former Rv), and existing routes aren't much help (unlike Pakistan and Iran Asian Highways where tier 1 systems gave a lot of route mileage, or most of the recent Europe tier 4 systems, where E Roads run concurrent with a lot of the roads). Norway has mountains and ferries, Iceland has mountains, Sweden is simply huge.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on March 22, 2016, 01:22:22 pm
I'd imagine that the issue of country codes will be sorted

How should it be sorted?

They are big, complex, slightly confusing

Ok. No problem. I just thought it would be nice if these countries could be pushed (and I'd like to add some Swedish roads I've traveled  ;D).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on March 23, 2016, 03:57:46 am
I'd imagine that the issue of country codes will be sorted

How should it be sorted?
A more accessible list, or a drop down box (like CHM had), or something.
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(and I'd like to add some Swedish roads I've traveled  ;D).
I'm trying to work on eursf additions in Sweden and Norway, but the Scandinavians are nowhere near as good at naming their motorways as the Danes or Finns, so it's proving hard going to get them. That said, that will only give some urban roads and parts of Rv40 as additional clinched routes.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on March 23, 2016, 02:27:09 pm
I'd imagine that the issue of country codes will be sorted
How should it be sorted?
A more accessible list, or a drop down box (like CHM had), or something.

Got it. I thought you mean it could be sorted short-term because anyone is working on it ;).

I've added an issue on github: https://github.com/TravelMapping/Web/issues/49.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on March 23, 2016, 02:54:30 pm
Because I was feeling nice, I outlined the Rv roads in Sweden and Norway today (mostly only points where they intersect other routes), making a start on those systems. Sweden was tedium, Norway was annoying in other ways.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on March 23, 2016, 03:25:59 pm
Thanks a lot :)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on March 24, 2016, 11:31:14 am
I outlined the Rv roads in Sweden and Norway today (mostly only points where they intersect other routes), making a start on those systems.

Cool, all Rv waypoints I need are already available  8)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on March 30, 2016, 11:48:41 am
From the HB:

Armenia   Azerbaijan Magistrale   azem

;)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on June 14, 2016, 04:01:17 pm
If I've figured out GitHub one day and deub will be finished, I'd like to work on other systems. My favorites are: autb, chen and maybe czei.
If you wanna make whole Europe, it's ok though.

btw: I think beln is in development, isn't it? Minimum, there are some files but it's still commented (by accident?).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on June 14, 2016, 04:12:25 pm
If I've figured out GitHub one day and deub will be finished, I'd like to work on other systems. My favorites are: autb, chen and maybe czei.
chen probably isn't the right one (N roads don't seem to be signed). I've deliberately left off the systems closer to Germany since you've come on board (including doing less work on poldk, though I've picked that back up with a couple of routes properly done this week).
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btw: I think beln is in development, isn't it? Minimum, there are some files but it's still commented (by accident?)
It was me testing the water, though I wasn't that impressed (hence why norrv, svng, srbb, hunf and (soon) svki have been drafted since last time I touched it). If you want to do systems that have a start made, but aren't preview level, then just say so.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on June 14, 2016, 04:39:03 pm
Ok, I appreciate that you've already left off the systems of my neighboring countries but I think you should complete poldk because it's very advanced.
I remember that you didn't like swerv. I like Sweden though :). On the other hand, it's still a long way to complete deub...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on June 22, 2016, 10:58:21 am
A massive blitz last night, followed by some finishing off this morning, means I've got poldk to preview.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on June 24, 2016, 07:41:27 am
Here's a map of current status.
(https://s31.postimg.org/qw0onk9xn/TME.png)

The difference between the orange and the lighter yellow is whether there's a discussion about review here. To avoid clutter and overload, I'm trying to keep the number of systems I'm more actively seeking opinion on at any one time down.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on June 27, 2016, 04:50:14 pm
For any reason, I think iclth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016_knockout_phase#England_vs_Iceland) should be mapped next ;). Sorry, couldn't resist :D.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on June 27, 2016, 07:59:18 pm
For any reason, I think iclth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2016_knockout_phase#England_vs_Iceland) should be mapped next ;). Sorry, couldn't resist :D.
What, you mean the one country who officially congratulated us for asking the populus what they thought on Thursday? I would happily honour them for their show of support and solidarity with the people of the UK with making them the subject my next system, though there's some annoying complications (like roads can be second-tier with the same number but white not yellow signs and streetview isn't great help and it's all confusing), and I kind of want to work my way through getting active the current systems I have in preview rather than make new ones.

Oh, you meant the football and how we lost to a decent team in the knockout rounds trying the same tactics as we did in the worst side in the competition which didn't work then, and didn't work this evening either? We had lost it before kick off (and even with better tactics would have struggled)! And we'll see if you like it when they beat you (or, lets face it, Italy) to reach a final with Wales.  :P
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: Bickendan on June 28, 2016, 03:51:51 am
Does Liechtenstein seriously have no signed highways? That makes tracking my jump from Switzerland to Austria a bit of a nuisance.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: Bickendan on June 28, 2016, 04:12:53 am
Quick catch on Hungary F12: Last point (X418725) should be FoU (not Ut).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2016, 06:16:14 am
Does Liechtenstein seriously have no signed highways? That makes tracking my jump from Switzerland to Austria a bit of a nuisance.
It might do - I've found '28' markers on the main road through Vaduz on Michelin (and the less reliable Google) Maps, with German wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptstrasse_28) saying it's real, but part of the Swiss system (H16 also enters the principality, and is almost certainly the route you used across the country). Wegenwiki says that the road numbers are administrative only and not signed. A lot of maps I found on a quick google search aren't very up-to-date (eg this one with pre-85 E roads on it (http://www.maps-of-europe.net/maps/maps-of-liechtenstein/detailed-road-map-of-liechtenstein.jpg)).

I'll leave it for Michael to find out more - he's expressed interest in doing Swiss roads, and meine Deutche ist nicht sehr gut, aber seine ist Wunderbar!
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on June 28, 2016, 01:05:59 pm
^^ I'll look into it after deub completion (2-digit H roads are signed (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Hauptstrassen_der_Schweiz)). I hope that I don't have to do "itass" first... Like Si's "iclth" dilemma. Btw: cool name it ass... ;)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on August 01, 2016, 07:28:30 am
deub has been merged and is preview now, please update the list of the first post.
I work on cheh now. It's a small system, just H1 to H30. Source (https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19910382/index.html#app2) (indicated by wikipedia article, see previous post).

Afterwards, I'd like to start autb, czei or swer (if possible).

The latter is already in dev (outlined) and I have a lot of routes traveled there which I'd like to see on my map :). I could complete the system but I would need the source (link) of a list or map with relevant routes.

Should swer routes be called R or Rv? I think it was Rv and has been partially* replaced by R now, hasn't it?

*For instance, E roads still have Rv...

After completion of cheh and swer, I'll try to bring deub to "ready to review".
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on August 01, 2016, 07:43:03 am
deub has been merged and is preview now, please update the list of the first post.
You can do that yourself, if you wish (I've done it anyway).
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I work on cheh now. It's a small system, just H1 to H30. Source (https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19910382/index.html#app2) (indicated by wikipedia article, see previous post).
Cool.
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Afterwards, I'd like to start autb, czei or swer (if possible).
Feel free - I've left them for you!
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I could complete the system but I would need the source (link) of a list or map with relevant routes.
Find one yourself - I just used mapping and wegenwiki listings to make the outlines.
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Should swer routes be called R or Rv? I think it was Rv and has been partially* replaced by R now, hasn't it?

*For instance, E roads still have Rv...
R. And it's mere laziness that I've not yet changed the E Roads. (Lv -> L also). It's what Swedes use, unlike their Finnish and Norwegian friends.
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After completion of cheh and swer, I'll try to bring deub to "ready to review".
Is it not already? I certainly tend to find a break helpful before looking back over routes and fixing them.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on August 01, 2016, 10:56:07 am
Feel free - I've left them for you!

Ok. Yakra has recently updated the who maintains what regions (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=42) overview. For instance, he added me for Germany. Should we officially assign Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Czechia and Sweden to me?

Should swer routes be called R or Rv? I think it was Rv and has been partially* replaced by R now, hasn't it?

*For instance, E roads still have Rv...
R. And it's mere laziness that I've not yet changed the E Roads. (Lv -> L also). It's what Swedes use, unlike their Finnish and Norwegian friends.

If Sweden is mine, I'll change it.

After completion of cheh and swer, I'll try to bring deub to "ready to review".
Is it not already? I certainly tend to find a break helpful before looking back over routes and fixing them.

I agree that a break is helpful. That's what I currently do :). deub is in "preview" but not yet "ready to review" according to your classification :). I have not yet any info about B28 and some stretches are still to be downgraded (which should mostly happen in 2015/16). I wanna add locations to all AST routes, I have to read the waypoint name rules again and check my names selected. In additon, I've not yet added my sources (http://tm.teresco.org/credits.php) and I'm not sure if I should really add all links.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: yakra on August 01, 2016, 12:59:48 pm
Ok. Yakra has recently updated the who maintains what regions (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=42) overview. For instance, he added me for Germany.
Wasn't me -- the only change I made to the OP was regarding ND (North Dakota).

« Last Edit: July 30, 2016, 04:59:25 am by si404 »
as of now.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on August 01, 2016, 02:00:49 pm
Wasn't me

Ok, I read your new post and just saw that the first post was edited the same day. I thought it was you and didn't read the rest...

Should I edit the list and add me for Austria, Switzerland, Czechia and Sweden?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on August 01, 2016, 02:39:57 pm
Should I edit the list and add me for Austria, Switzerland, Czechia and Sweden?
I've just done it.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on August 07, 2016, 04:17:36 am
armm - Armenia Magistrale
azem - Azerbaijan Magistrale
cism - Central Asia Magistral
geos - Georgia Sakartvelo Roads
isrh - Israel Highways
kaza - Kazakhstan Main Roads - several routes done, rest outlined
kgzem - Kyrgyzstan ЭМ Roads - need to find full route list
turd - Turkey Devlet Yolları

@Si: According to regions_countries_continents.csv (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/regions_countries_continents.csv), the countries of the quoted systems are in Asia. Shouldn't we move them to the Asia-Pacific thread (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=182.0) phase 2 or phase 3?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: si404 on August 07, 2016, 09:30:50 am
@Si: According to regions_countries_continents.csv (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/regions_countries_continents.csv), the countries of the quoted systems are in Asia. Shouldn't we move them to the Asia-Pacific thread (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=182.0) phase 2 or phase 3?
I'm using Europe here as UNECE and Asia/Pacific as UNESCAP. Most of those systems (not Israel) are in countries in both organisations, but I've put them here as, while all (bar Israel's) UNECE countries' tier 1 systems are active and the tier 3 system is too, none (but turo) UNESCAP tier 1 systems are active, nor is the tier 3 system. It would look a bit odd to have tier 4 systems started when all but one of the tier 1 systems (turo) aren't active (though I do have Sri Lanka and Cambodia sketched out to a certain extent).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread
Post by: michih on August 07, 2016, 11:29:34 am
I'm using Europe here as UNECE and Asia/Pacific as UNESCAP.

I was just confused that non-Europe countries are listed. On the other hand, "UNECE tier 4 systems thread" and "UNESCAP systems thread" would also be strange...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on August 11, 2016, 10:28:18 am
Does Liechtenstein seriously have no signed highways? That makes tracking my jump from Switzerland to Austria a bit of a nuisance.
It might do - I've found '28' markers on the main road through Vaduz on Michelin (and the less reliable Google) Maps, with German wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauptstrasse_28) saying it's real, but part of the Swiss system (H16 also enters the principality, and is almost certainly the route you used across the country). Wegenwiki says that the road numbers are administrative only and not signed. A lot of maps I found on a quick google search aren't very up-to-date (eg this one with pre-85 E roads on it (http://www.maps-of-europe.net/maps/maps-of-liechtenstein/detailed-road-map-of-liechtenstein.jpg)).

I'll leave it for Michael to find out more - he's expressed interest in doing Swiss roads, and meine Deutche ist nicht sehr gut, aber seine ist Wunderbar!

According to admin.ch (https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/19910382/index.html#app2) (2016-01-01 version) and OSM (http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=361461), H28 ends near Landquart (at A13) but H16 crosses Liechtenstein (http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=303432).

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16. (D)-Tägerwilen-Märstetten-Wil-Wattwil-Wildhaus-Buchs-(A)
28. Landquart-Klosters-Davos-Flüelapass-Susch-Zernez-Ofenpass/Pass dal Fuorn-Müstair
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: cinx on August 20, 2016, 04:20:10 pm
Why is the Austrian B108 not represented on its entire length?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on August 20, 2016, 05:34:11 pm
Why is the Austrian B108 not represented on its entire length?

Thanks for your feedback :)

I've answered in the corresponding autb thread: http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=376.msg2154#msg2154.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on August 28, 2016, 02:09:07 pm
ffopr - Faroe Islands Primærruter
iclth - Iceland Þjóðvegur

There are already some files on github. If I'm not mistaken the systems are called frolv and isls?
@Si: A little note would be nice like you've done for Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan :)

beln - Belgium Nationale Wegen
bihm - Bosnia and Herzegovina Magistralni Put
nldn - Netherlands Niet-Autosnelwegen
prtip - Portugal Itinerários Principais

It seems that there are also some files on github. Belgium was to test the water but I don't know about the others.

Nevertheless, I've plotted autb, cheh, czei, deub and swer. Sweden is close to be ready for a peer-review, I just wanna make a final review once my suggested eursf candidates (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/746) have been approved or dismissed. The reviews of the other systems depend on that decision and a potential euror/eurap (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=376.msg2161#msg2161) GO or rejection.


I don't know how much effort I have to spend for getting my preview systems active. Maybe I have a lot to do, maybe just some tweaks. That's why I thought about future systems I could draft. My favorites are:
- beln (already started)
- nldn (already started)
- hrvd

I would need some info about beln and nldn status though.
I think Croatian Državna cesta (https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr%C5%BEavne_ceste_u_Hrvatskoj) comprise about 220 D roads from D1 to D536.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on August 29, 2016, 05:39:23 am
ffopr - Faroe Islands Primærruter
iclth - Iceland Þjóðvegur

There are already some files on github. If I'm not mistaken the systems are called frolv and isls?
@Si: A little note would be nice like you've done for Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan :)
A note for these two "need more info" and (just for Iceland) "waiting in the hopes sanity comes to their road numbering and signing that means that what roads are important ones and what ones aren't are signed differently (as is meant to be the case now), but most of all consistantly".
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It seems that there are also some files on github. Belgium was to test the water but I don't know about the others.
Portugal was too (abandoned as it's rather a mess). BiH is to redo all their roads in 2018, though the drafts of the current system are reasonably complete. Netherlands has sub-100 routes done, plus one or two others. I made a start on Holland and Zealand (and grouped routes roughly by province) but most files are empty - it's a case of taking a look and seeing what's there, deleting what you don't want, keeping what you do, restructuring the folders as you see fit.

Leave Croatia for after Belgium and Netherlands and have a go at them first.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on August 29, 2016, 01:32:47 pm
ffopr - Faroe Islands Primærruter
iclth - Iceland Þjóðvegur

There are already some files on github. If I'm not mistaken the systems are called frolv and isls?
@Si: A little note would be nice like you've done for Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan :)
A note for these two "need more info" and (just for Iceland) "waiting in the hopes sanity comes to their road numbering and signing that means that what roads are important ones and what ones aren't are signed differently (as is meant to be the case now), but most of all consistantly".

Sanity comes their road numbering... :) I'm quite confident of seeing this happen before Spain will have a road numbering system one can explain on just one page of paper which will most likely happen before there will be no construction site on German Autobahns for just one day...

Am I right about the system names?

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It seems that there are also some files on github. Belgium was to test the water but I don't know about the others.
Portugal was too (abandoned as it's rather a mess). BiH is to redo all their roads in 2018, though the drafts of the current system are reasonably complete.

Sorry, I don't get it. Does that mean bihm could get active soon or do you wanna wait till BiH has done the announced renumbering? German dedication procedure of B road began in Mid of 1980s and was finally planned to be completed by late 2015 except the segments where construction works are pending (there are projects which will still take more than 10 years) and I've recently realized that there is minimum one segments which has been rededicated to L road although it was not on the official list... :( That's why I wanna postpone activation of deub...

I mean, we could wait ages for BiH. They even used Deutsche Mark in the 1990s... If the system is really complete, I think it should go active. But it's up to you...

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Netherlands has sub-100 routes done, plus one or two others. I made a start on Holland and Zealand (and grouped routes roughly by province) but most files are empty - it's a case of taking a look and seeing what's there, deleting what you don't want, keeping what you do, restructuring the folders as you see fit.

Is there any need for the folders? Netherlands are not dedived to provinces on TM like US, India, Canada or China. I think a plain structure should be the final look, shouldn't it?

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Leave Croatia for after Belgium and Netherlands and have a go at them first.

I made D1 yesterday. It seems that OSM and wikipedia data is quite good for Croatia. Minium for D1... Southern E71 was totally wrong though. There's no D62 or D511 but B56. Dunno, maybe there has been a renumbering in the last years...

I'll proceed with Belgium though but with a lower pace :)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on August 29, 2016, 02:09:14 pm
Am I right about the system names?
I honestly don't know what's right, through lack of sources for Faeroe Islands, and conflicting sources for Iceland.
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Does that mean bihm could get active soon or do you wanna wait till BiH has done the announced renumbering?
Kind of both - bihm could get preview soon if I pulled my fingers out. But I can't really be bothered as they will be all changing before too long.
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I mean, we could wait ages for BiH.
Not at all - they made listings of routes some years back, and so they are in that transition period. The other countries in the area have successfully renumbered - Germany is the exception to the efficient changes of the other countries.
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They even used Deutsche Mark in the 1990s...
No, they have always used the 'Convertable Mark' that was pegged to the Deutsche Mark at parity and now the Euro at the rate the DM was.
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If the system is really complete, I think it should go active. But it's up to you...
It's not complete, it's about half-ready to go to preview.
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Is there any need for the folders? Netherlands are not dedived to provinces on TM like US, India, Canada or China. I think a plain structure should be the final look, shouldn't it?
No, the folders were merely so I could do an area at a time and work across the country, rather than go numerically, it just seemed easier when I made a start to do that, rather than working in strict numerical order.
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Southern E71 was totally wrong though.
Really? Ah, some labels are now wrong. Hardly 'totally wrong'!
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on August 29, 2016, 03:27:38 pm
Am I right about the system names?
I honestly don't know what's right, through lack of sources for Faeroe Islands, and conflicting sources for Iceland.

I'll add both in the overview but Iceland is ISL according to country.csv (Faeroe is missing).

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If the system is really complete, I think it should go active. But it's up to you...
It's not complete, it's about half-ready to go to preview.

Ok, I misunderstood you.

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Southern E71 was totally wrong though.
Really? Ah, some labels are now wrong. Hardly 'totally wrong'!

2 out of 3 waypoint labels were wrong... btw: I think there should be an additional waypoint just east of D8 roundabout, shouldn't it. The interchange has 3 ramps only and the waypoint location would be "far to the east" at the next underpass though...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 01, 2016, 02:40:08 pm
prtip - Portugal Itinerários Principais (si404)

Thanks that you wanna make prtip but there's not yet any route in the HB, hence the system cannot be preview status ;)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on September 01, 2016, 02:52:33 pm
Thanks that you wanna make prtip but there's not yet any route in the HB, hence the system cannot be preview status ;)
I'd made it in the past. Studied it today and made the .csv files. I'm jumping the gun here, but I was making other edits here and so rather than wait for the pull request to be merged...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 01, 2016, 03:18:39 pm
Ok, I saw your pull request now... I was surprised because you wrote your files were just to test the water and it's a mess. I saw on wikipedia that it's really just IP1-IP9. Ok :)


btw: why have you changed the (default) color of YOUR European tier 4 systems from brown to orange?
To be honest, I think it looks worse compared to brown: http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=michih&rg=CZE&colors=tier4:rgb(255,165,0):rgb(255,165,0).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 04, 2016, 03:41:47 am
I've added a new color based on the states of Si's map from June 2016 (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=131.msg1569#msg1569):
Black=not in HB, Red=devel, Orange=preview, Chocolate=ready to review, Green=active

Current chocolate systems are:
- bgri (Bulgaria)
- deub (Germany)
- norrv (Norway)
- poldk (Poland)
- svng (Slovenia)
- swer (Sweden)

@Si: mdam (Moldova) is indicated as "ready to review" on your map but there's no corresponding thread. Is it not ready to review or is just a thread missing?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on September 05, 2016, 05:30:41 pm
btw: why have you changed the (default) color of YOUR European tier 4 systems from brown to orange?
To be honest, I think it looks worse compared to brown: http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=michih&rg=CZE&colors=tier4:rgb(255,165,0):rgb(255,165,0).
You are right it looks awful, but thankfully it's rendered as a (default?) pinkish red (http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=si404&rg=ENG) that works well. I went with orange as most systems I gave the colour to use red or yellow shields for them (green and blue having been taken for motorways and E roads, though obviously many European countries have motorways signed in green), but the pinkish red gives contrast, looks good, and isn't tourist-route brown, so I'd like to go for that.
@Si: mdam (Moldova) is indicated as "ready to review" on your map but there's no corresponding thread. Is it not ready to review or is just a thread missing?
Neither really - it's ready, but the thread isn't missing as I'd rather prioritize other systems. If you want to review it then go for it!
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: Jim on September 05, 2016, 07:50:40 pm
There are only 7 color names that will be honored by TM web code:

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colorCodes[0] = { name: "blue", unclinched: "rgb(100,100,255)", clinched: "rgb(0,0,255)" };
colorCodes[1] = { name: "brown", unclinched: "rgb(153,152,102)", clinched: "rgb(153,102,0)" };
colorCodes[2] = { name: "red", unclinched: "rgb(255,100,100)", clinched: "rgb(255,0,0)" };
colorCodes[3] = { name: "yellow", unclinched: "rgb(255,255,128)", clinched: "rgb(225,225,0)" };
colorCodes[4] = { name: "teal", unclinched: "rgb(100,200,200)", clinched: "rgb(0,200,200)" };
colorCodes[5] = { name: "green", unclinched: "rgb(100,255,100)", clinched: "rgb(0,255,0)" };
colorCodes[6] = { name: "magenta", unclinched: "rgb(255,100,255)", clinched: "rgb(255,0,255)" };

I am not sure why it would be pink if other color names are specified, but I recommend staying with this list unless/until new color names are added to the above array.  I am open to more colors if there's a compelling reason to do so.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 06, 2016, 11:26:13 am
Thanks for the replies. I think we should use "honored" color because the current color might change by accident if the web site development proceeds.
In addition, we should use the same colors for whole Europe.

I think tier 1-3 is beyond dispute for Europe:
tier 1 = blue
tier 2 = teal
tier 3 = green

Red (http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=si404&rg=ENG&colors=tier4:rgb(255,100,100):rgb(255,0,0)) is not (or rarly) used for signage in Europe and it sticks out too much for a tier 4 system compared to tier 1-3.
Brown is the typical color for tourist routes and eventually an option for my suggested tier 5 "eurap" system?

There are 3 options left:
1. Yellow (http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=si404&rg=ENG&colors=tier4:rgb(255,255,128):rgb(225,225,0)) (looks a little bit over the top, maybe "gold" is more restrained?)
2. Magenta (http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=si404&rg=ENG&colors=tier4:rgb(255,100,255):rgb(255,0,255)) (sticks a little out like red though)
3. Jim would kindly add something like "pink (http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=si404&rg=ENG)" (well, I think it's pink or salmon for clinched and brown for unclinched segments)

If we had the options, we could also make a poll to get a final decision...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 06, 2016, 11:57:04 am
If you want to review it then go for it!

No. I'd like to review norrv first. Maybe poldk or svng.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: Jim on September 06, 2016, 03:37:17 pm
Send me color codes you like (you can experiment with custom colors for any using query string parameters) and I can add more very easily.  However, I do think we want some consistency across all systems where appropriate.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 06, 2016, 03:58:28 pm
@Si: What's your preferred color? Do you wanna make a suggestion?

btw: beln is free for anyone...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on September 06, 2016, 07:24:40 pm
I like the salmon/pink. Red and magenta are too strong, brown is for tourist routes and yellow/gold doesn't work too well. The pink does go with a lot of europe tier 4 signs - roudn, fran, ltua, lvaa, finvt, alavt, estt, prtip and poldk all have red shields/cartouches (as will espa) and GB maps A roads in green or red, and green is taken by eure. Therefore a reddish hue is not out of sync with signage, and the pinkness means it will not be over-dominant.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 07, 2016, 04:06:29 pm
I used a color picker and pink (http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=si404&rg=ENG) should have these parameter: http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=si404&rg=ENG&colors=tier4:rgb(238,238,238):rgb(255,147,147).
However, it looks different and the color picker displays a different code :(

I've figured out a code which results in a less-dominant color (I think it's better than "pink"):
http://tm.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?u=si404&rg=ENG&colors=tier4:rgb(200,200,200):rgb(255,160,122)

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colorCodes[7] = { name: "lightsalmon", unclinched: "rgb(200,200,200)", clinched: "rgb(255,160,122)" };
I think if Si agrees, we could go for it. The new color should be used for all European tier 4 systems.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on September 15, 2016, 06:24:38 pm
Updated map
(https://s12.postimg.io/uems1uby5/TME.png)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 18, 2016, 11:58:21 am
I've updated the list of the first post:
- hrvd (Croatia Državna Cesta) is in development now.
- grceo (Greece Ethniki Odos) has some routes drafted now.


I've read the wikipedia article about Russian federal highways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_federal_highways). It seems, that all M roads have names which should be added to the "city" column of the csv files.

The system designation has been changed and the old numbering is still valid till the end of 2017, please refer to the introduction of the Russian wikipedia article (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F#.D0.90.D0.B2.D1.82.D0.BE.D0.BC.D0.BE.D0.B1.D0.B8.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D0.B4.D0.BE.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B3.D0.B8_.D0.BE.D0.B1.D1.89.D0.B5.D0.B3.D0.BE_.D0.BF.D0.BE.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.B7.D0.BE.D0.B2.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.8F_.D1.84.D0.B5.D0.B4.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D0.BE.D0.B3.D0.BE_.D0.B7.D0.BD.D0.B0.D1.87.D0.B5.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.8F). The new federal highway system has M, R and A roads. I think it's similar to Belgian N and R roads and both should be future tier 4 too (rusr and rusa). The Russian wikipedia has only one table for M, R and A roads. Any objections?

Generally, M, R and A roads could partially have motorway standard. If I'm not mistaken, these should be added to eursf or a potential future asisf system like it's done for Norway, Sweden or Denmark.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: cinx on September 18, 2016, 01:11:09 pm
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Portugal was too (abandoned as it's rather a mess)
What about Madeira?
Besides the VR1, there are also VE1, VE2, VE3, VE4... Drove there this week and those roads are great...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on September 18, 2016, 03:08:40 pm
What about Madeira?
Besides the VR1, there are also VE1, VE2, VE3, VE4... Drove there this week and those roads are great...
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/68858073.jpg)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on September 19, 2016, 02:17:04 pm
@Si: Thanks for adding the rusm route names and bringing the system to preview status but why have you used quotation marks? Looks odd...
I think M5Ore and M7Per city names should be separated by comma instead of brackets, e.g. (Volga, Perm). Brackets within brackets look ugly.

systems.csv has two rusm devel system entries (commented) and another rusm in preview. I think you wanna have rusr and rusa commented in devel?
Why should rusa be a tier 5 system only?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: cinx on September 28, 2016, 02:56:13 am
What about Madeira?
Besides the VR1, there are also VE1, VE2, VE3, VE4... Drove there this week and those roads are great...
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/68858073.jpg)

Thanks! :D
And another one, what about the Azores? :)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on September 28, 2016, 08:24:02 am
I see there's some Via Rapida on two of the islands (that I can put in eursf, like the Maderia one), but I can't find all the useful information (eg names/numbers) - can you help?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: cinx on September 28, 2016, 07:12:57 pm
^^
I'm planning to travel to the Azores next year...
I've only seen pictures (and StreetView is also present on the 2 islands with Via Rapida).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: Duke87 on October 13, 2016, 12:45:40 am
With regards to Iceland, the following link may be of use:
http://vegasja.vegagerdin.is/eng/

This map definitively shows the extent of Federal road maintenance and, because it is both zoomable and GIS based, Lat/Lon coordinates can be obtained from it. Based on my recent travel around Iceland I can safely say that there aren't any sections of numbered road which are signed but not federally maintained. There are, however, some unsigned numbers here and there which would need to be weeded out.

If no one else wants to take on the task of compiling route data for the HB, I may attempt to start doing so based on this.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on October 15, 2016, 07:23:19 pm
If no one else wants to take on the task of compiling route data for the HB, I may attempt to start doing so based on this.
If you want to claim mileage anytime soon, it is probably a case of make them yourself. I've got enough TM stuff going on at the moment.

Feel free to use or chuck the start I made as you see fit.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: Duke87 on October 16, 2016, 01:40:37 am
If no one else wants to take on the task of compiling route data for the HB, I may attempt to start doing so based on this.
If you want to claim mileage anytime soon, it is probably a case of make them yourself. I've got enough TM stuff going on at the moment.

Feel free to use or chuck the start I made as you see fit.

There's some existing work on this? Where can I find it?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on October 16, 2016, 02:27:11 am
There's some existing work on this? Where can I find it?

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/tree/master/hwy_data/ISL (many 0 Byte files...)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: Duke87 on October 16, 2016, 11:01:14 pm
Thanks, I've got my first few pulls on Iceland in.

I'm going to be omitting the F-prefix roads from this system. Use of these roads is limited to 4WD vehicles with high ground clearance both by law and by physical practicality, so they really are something separate. May be the subject of a future second system.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2016, 02:55:49 pm
svki - Slovakia First Class Roads (si404)

I think the system should be renamed to "Slovakia Ciest I. Triedy".

https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesta_I._triedy
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on November 01, 2016, 02:35:09 pm
After today's update, the following systems will be ready for peer-review:

autb - Austria Landesstraßen B (michih)
bgri - Bulgaria First and Second Class Roads (si404)
cheh - Switzerland Hauptstrassen (michih)
cism - Central Asia Magistral (si404)
cisa - Central Asia A Roads (si404)
deub - Germany Bundesstraßen (still rededications expected and not close to activation, see thread note (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=289.msg2259#msg2259)) (michih)
hunf - Hungary Főút (si404)
kaza - Kazakhstan Main Roads (si404)
kgzem - Kyrgyzstan ЭМ Roads (si404)
rusm - Russia Moskva Roads (system not fully signed until 2018) (si404)

I've already reviewed Hungary and Bulgaria... However, every feedback is welcomed :)

Edit 2016-11-06: autb added; bgri reviewed
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on December 14, 2016, 10:01:00 am
estt - Estonia Pohimaanteed
ltua - Lithuania Magstralinai Keliai
lvaa - Latvia Galvena Cels

I've tried to find some info about potential tier 5 systems and think the system names should be as follows (red = suggested changes):

Estonia: https://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eesti_maanteede_loend
estp Estonia Põhimaanteed*
estt Estonia Tugimaanteed

Lithuania:
ltua Lithuania Magistraliniai Keliai (tier 4) - https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C4%85ra%C5%A1as:Lietuvos_magistraliniai_keliai
ltukk Lithuania Krašto Keliai (tier 5) - https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C4%85ra%C5%A1as:Lietuvos_kra%C5%A1to_keliai

Latvia: http://lvceli.lv/informacija-un-dati/#celu-klasifikacija
lvaa Latvia Valsts Galvenie Autoceli (tier 4)
lvap Latvia Valsts Regionalie Autoceli OR Valsts Pirmas Škiras Autoceli (tier 5)

*T prefix in wpt and list files can remain like nldr/nldp routes begin with N.

It seems that all potential tier 5 systems are signed.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on February 05, 2017, 05:33:57 am

I just hope they're added soon along with autonomical roads, they are a big part of the road network of my country and I couldn't believe that they hadn't been added yet.

If you want them added, you gotta step up and help out with them yourself. That's how I got started with maintaining Washington state. It was clear nobody was going to fix any of the issues I reported, so the only way they were going to get fixed is if I took over maintenance of Washington. If you're interested in helping out, I would suggest PMing Jim.

Mod edit: Sorry I clicked the wrong button and accidentally edited your post! I meant to quote your post, not edit it.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on February 21, 2017, 01:25:56 pm
I've moved the espn discussion to a new thread: http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=1951.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on June 29, 2017, 12:47:40 pm
Almost all European tier 4 systems are in the HB now. Some comments to the remaining systems:

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beln - Belgium Route Nationale / Gewestwegen 1-599 (michih)

I think I'll complete it this summer. It's painful...

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ffopr/frolv - Faroe Islands Primærruter (need more info) (---)

What kind of info do you need, Si? Cinx will go there in September and might check open issues on-site. I guess you are not sure if the routes are really signed (GSV not available)?

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grceo - Greece Ethniki Odos (si404)

Started.

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itass - Italy Strada Statale (---)

We finally have a map (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=2095) :)

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rusr - Russia Regional Roads (system not fully signed until 2018) (si404)
rusa - Russia Access Roads (system not fully signed until 2018) (si404)

I guess Si will draft the remaining routes in 2018 or once GSV is updated?

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turd - Turkey Devlet Yolları (---)

Open. Si, you've once said that it should be not too hard (and not too large?). If you cannot draft it, I might do it later this year or in 2018... I wanted to complete deul and norfv first but if it would be the last remaining tier 4 system... :)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on June 29, 2017, 01:44:44 pm
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ffopr/frolv - Faroe Islands Primærruter (need more info) (---)

What kind of info do you need, Si? Cinx will go there in September and might check open issues on-site. I guess you are not sure if the routes are really signed (GSV not available)?
That and what the routes are and where they go...
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grceo - Greece Ethniki Odos (si404)

Started.

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rusr - Russia Regional Roads (system not fully signed until 2018) (si404)
rusa - Russia Access Roads (system not fully signed until 2018) (si404)

I guess Si will draft the remaining routes in 2018 or once GSV is updated?
These are in the same situation of me just not caring enough to do further work on it. Maybe they'll get done next year, but something would need to change. It would be less annoying if there was a Latin-alphabet open-source tile-mapping (like MQ Open Data) that I could use. Greece is a higher priority than Russia.
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turd - Turkey Devlet Yolları (---)

Open. Si, you've once said that it should be not too hard (and not too large?).
Did I? I guess it's well defined and mapped and only about 100 routes (albeit often fairly long routes - counteracted by having a fair few E Roads/Asian highways concurrent with the network), so shouldn't be a turd on that front.
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If you cannot draft it, I might do it later this year or in 2018...
It's a very low priority for me.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on June 29, 2017, 03:10:17 pm
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ffopr/frolv - Faroe Islands Primærruter (need more info) (---)

What kind of info do you need, Si? Cinx will go there in September and might check open issues on-site. I guess you are not sure if the routes are really signed (GSV not available)?
That and what the routes are and where they go...

You have already drafted routes, see GitHub... !?!? There are "official" maps...

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turd - Turkey Devlet Yolları (---)

It's a very low priority for me.

For me too but it's on the European list although I wish it wouldn't :D
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: Spinoza on July 11, 2017, 07:05:04 am
I see that nobody is in charge of itass. Do you want me to take care of it?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on July 11, 2017, 12:21:34 pm
I see that nobody is in charge of itass. Do you want me to take care of it?

Geduld!* Maintenance is done by region not by system. Si is responsible for Italy (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=42). He should usually start drafting itass one day. I guess he still has a lot of other systems started and don't wanna interupt that work?!

It's generally not favored that a new contributor starts drafting a system. See "How to Participate" on the start page (http://tm.teresco.org/).


We had a similar situation with espn (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=1951.0) earlier this year. I've drafted the system (because I wanted to travel Spain in May) but Si is still responsible for maintenance. Pepe helped by checking Google Street View if the routes are really signed in the field.

I'd love to have itass drafted because I also have some mileage there but I'm quite busy with Belgium Route Nationale / Gewestwegen which is also a tier 4 system (= similar priority). In addition, I've started to draft the German Landesstraßen system and Norway Primære Fylkesveier.

If Si doesn't want to start itass "soon" (this year?) you could help like Pepe did and check GSV and I could draft the system. You could directly start reporting in the itass thread (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=2095.0) where each route begins and ends and I could start drafting the routes approximately in September when beln is done.

*When I was in Torino for the first time, I made a workshop with my Italian colleague. Unfortunately our software wasn't stable and crashed quite often. I was impatient and always wanted to kill the process but Guiseppe said that our software sometimes needs more time and he told me a new "Italian" word: Geduld! :D
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on July 12, 2017, 06:23:51 am
I'm aiming to make a start on itass some point this week.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: Spinoza on July 12, 2017, 10:20:29 am
I didn't know that. I didn't mean to put any pressure :)

If you ever need me, just ask :)

Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on July 27, 2017, 03:51:19 pm
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grceo - Greece Ethniki Odos (si404)

Started.

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rusr - Russia Regional Roads (system not fully signed until 2018) (si404)
rusa - Russia Access Roads (system not fully signed until 2018) (si404)

I guess Si will draft the remaining routes in 2018 or once GSV is updated?
These are in the same situation of me just not caring enough to do further work on it. Maybe they'll get done next year, but something would need to change. It would be less annoying if there was a Latin-alphabet open-source tile-mapping (like MQ Open Data) that I could use. Greece is a higher priority than Russia.

Here Maps uses Latin-alphabet and minimum the Greek and Russian village names are shown. You might draft the routes in the wpt editor with numbers and load them in the TM HB with Here Maps layer.... Still painful but better than now...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on July 27, 2017, 04:23:56 pm
That sounds like far more hard work than transliteration, which I can do with Greek and Cyrillic reasonably quickly (especially once I get into it).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: si404 on November 30, 2018, 06:21:02 am
With the next pull request from my branch, grceo will be available to preview!

Three systems left to get to that level - turd, cypd (Northern Cyprus D roads, which I discovered recently on OSM, despite them being 5 years old. Scant information on it though*) and rusr.

And four to get from preview active - beln (any reason why this hasn't?), itass (renationalisation of many routes as well as various other issues at play), grceo and rusa.


If we ignore the Eurasian countries, that's all at preview, and just three not active.  8)


*There might be a Uzbekistani post-soviet system, but I similarly can't much info, and it seems to be concurrent with the residual soviet systems.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on November 30, 2018, 02:26:02 pm
With the next pull request from my branch, grceo will be available to preview!

Cool, panda80 has recently asked about it and I also plan to visit Greece next spring... :)

And four to get from preview active - beln (any reason why this hasn't?)

You've peer-reviewed 800s and 900s (http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2138) but N1-N799 are still open. And I've decided to add routes which might be unsigned (I couldn't find any evidence when drafting the routes) but are confirmed by GM and OSM, see readme (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/BEL/beln/README.md). If you wanna complete the peer-review I could add the routes beforehand, maybe by late December after activating deubyst and czeii. Just let me know...

itass (renationalisation of many routes as well as various other issues at play), grceo and rusa.

I don't plan to visit Russia (I'd love to do but not by car from home - not anytime "soon") but I'll plan to take the ferry from southern Italy to Greece and I'd like to catch up as much as possible in Italy too :) No pressure though  8)

Is any of your systems (European prefered) ready for peer-review?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-4 systems progress superthread (UNECE)
Post by: michih on August 28, 2019, 01:19:59 pm
Names of reviewers added.