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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: michih on October 31, 2016, 02:44:56 pm

Title: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on October 31, 2016, 02:44:56 pm
List of potential systems (Grey=no potential system, Black=to be checked or not yet drafted (not in HB), Red=devel, Orange=preview, Chocolate=review requested, Green=active).

alakt - Aland Kantatiet
albrr - Albania Rruga Rrethi (not signed)
andcs - Andorra Carreteras Secundarias (signed?)
autl - Austria Landesstraßen L and Hauptstraßen A (usually not signed (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fensystem_in_%C3%96sterreich#Landesstra.C3.9Fe_L_und_Hauptstra.C3.9Fe_A))
beln - Belgium Route Nationale / Gewestwegen (michih) reviewer: si404
bihr - Bosnia and Herzegovina Regionalne ceste I reda (potential tier 5 system (https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spisak_regionalnih_puteva_u_Bosni_i_Hercegovini#Federacija_Bosne_i_Hercegovine))
bgr - Bulgaria Third Class Roads (not signed (https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:%D0%9F%D1%8A%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%91%D1%8A%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F))
chex - Switzerland "3-digit Hauptstraßen" (not signed)
cyp - Cyprus (??)
czeii - Czechia Silnice II. Třídy
deubwl - Baden-Württemberg Landesstraßen
deubyst - Bavaria Staatsstraßen
deubbl - Brandenburg Landesstraßen
deuhhr - Hamburg Ringstraßen
deuhel - Hesse Landesstraßen (michih) reviewer: panda80
deumvl - Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania Landesstraßen (michih) reviewer: panda80
deunil - Lower Saxony Landesstraßen
deunwl - North Rhine-Westphalia Landesstraßen
deurpl - Rhineland-Palatinate Landesstraßen
deusll - Saarland Landesstraßen 1. Ordnung
deusns - Saxony Staatsstraßen
deustl - Saxony-Anhalt Landesstraßen
deushl - Schleswig-Holstein Landesstraßen
deuthl - Thuringia Landesstraßen
dnksr - Denmark Sekundærrute
espan - Andalusia Red Básica
espar - Aragon Red Básica
espas - Asturias Red Regional
espcb - Cantabria Red Primaria
espcl - Castile and Leon Red Básica
espcm - Castilla-La Mancha Red Básica
espcn - Canary Islands Red Regional
espct - Catalonia Xarxa Básica
espex - Extremadura Red Básica
espga - Galicia Red Primaria Básica
espib - Balearic Islands Red Primaria
espmc - Region of Murcia Red de Primer Nivel
espmd - Community of Madrid Red Principal
espnc - Navarre Carreteras de Interés de la Comunidad Foral
esppv - Basque Country Oinarrizko Sarea
espri - La Rioja Red Regional Básica
espvc - Valencian Community Red Básica
estt - Estonia Tugimaanteed
finkt - Finland Kantatiet
fraarad - Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes Routes Départementales (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
frabfcd - Bourgogne-Franche-Comté Routes Départementales (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
frabred - Brittany Routes Départementales (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
fracord - Corsica Routes Départementales (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
fracvld - Centre-Val de Loire Routes Départementales (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
fragesd - Grand-Est Routes Départementales (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
frahdfd - Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
fraidfd - Île-de-France Routes Départementales (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
franord - Normandy Routes Départementales (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
franaqd - Nouvelle-Aquitaine Routes Départementales (panda80) reviewer: t.b.d.
fraoccd - Occitanie Routes Départementales (panda80) reviewer: t.b.d.
frapdld - Pays-de-la-Loire Routes Départementales (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
frapacd - Provence-Alpes-Côte-d’Azur Routes Départementales (t.b.d.) reviewer: t.b.d.
gbnb - Great Britain B Roads (si404) reviewer ENG: michih, SCT+WLS: panda80
grc - Greece (no signed system)
hrvz - Croatia Županijske Ceste (potential tier 5 system (https://narodne-novine.nn.hr/clanci/sluzbeni/2018_11_103_2021.html)) (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
hunh - Hungary (not signed)
irlr - Ireland Regional Roads
islf - Iceland Fjallvegir
imnb - Isle of Man B Roads
isr - Israel (??)
itasr - Italy Strada Regionale (signed? (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strada_regionale))
jeyb - Jersey B Roads
ltuk - Lithuania Krašto Keliai
luxcr - Luxembourg Chemin Repris (potential tier 5 system but there is already a large tier 4 system (http://www.pch.public.lu/fr/reseau-routier/))
lvap - Latvia Valsts Pirmas Škiras Autoceli (potential tier 5 system (http://lvceli.lv/informacija-un-dati/#celu-klasifikacija)) (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
mdar - Moldova (signed?)
mkdr - North Macedonia Regional Roads (potential tier 5 system (http://www.roads.org.mk/UserFiles/files/PatnaKarta_01.pdf))
mlt - Malta (not signed)
mner - Montenegro Regional Roads (signed? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-1_regional_road_(Montenegro)))
nirb - Northern Ireland B Roads
nldp - Netherlands Provinciale Wegen
nldrw - Netherlands Ringwegen
nlds - Netherlands Stadsroutes
norfv - Norway Primære Fylkesveier (Renumbering of many Fv routes - not sure whether secondary (not in HB) Fv routes or primary (in HB) too - expected due to regional reform by likely 2020) (https://vegnett.no/2018/07/na-far-mange-veger-nye-nummer/) (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
poldw - Poland Droga Wojewódzka
prtn - Portugal Estradas Nacionais (potential tier 5 system) (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_estradas_nacionais_de_Portugal)
rksrr - Kosovo Rrugët Regjionale (signed? (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fensystem_im_Kosovo#Regionalstra%C3%9Fen))
roudj - Romania Drumuri Județene (potential tier 5 system) (http://documents.tips/documents/lista-drumurilor-judetene-din-romania.html) (panda80) reviewer: michih
srbr - Serbia 2nd Class Roads (signed? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Serbia#State_highways.2C_class_II))
svkii - Slovakia Cesta II. Triedy
svnr - Slovenia Regionalna Ceste
swel - Sweden Primära Länsvägar

eurtr - Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (si404, michih) reviewer(s): t.b.d.


Discussion/poll about a general tier 5 system for European roads (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=436), e.g. for roads of countries w/o potential tier 5 systems.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: mapcat on November 02, 2016, 09:44:29 pm
gbrtr - UK Tourist and Scenic Routes (dunno if there's another potential system)
B roads?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on November 03, 2016, 06:34:12 pm
gbrtr - UK Tourist and Scenic Routes (dunno if there's another potential system)
B roads?

Are they signed? If they are, does it mean that gbrtr routes should be... tier 6?  :o
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on November 04, 2016, 06:34:17 am
Are they signed?
Usually.
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If they are, does it mean that gbrtr routes should be... tier 6?  :o
Why?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on November 04, 2016, 09:18:21 am
If they are, does it mean that gbrtr routes should be... tier 6?  :o
Why?

I don't know, that's why I've asked :)
A roads are tier 4 and B roads are tier 5 because of the classification.
I think gbrtr is not classified at all but according to the road standard, gbrtr could be tier 4 or tier 5. So, why is gbrtr tier 5 instead of tier 4?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on February 01, 2017, 08:52:17 am
possible work-around for Germany that doesn't involve breaking pre-existing routes: different systems for each one, and where clashes exist, something to distinguish (state letters?) each one - eg deu.bwl001. You might want to make use of the abbreviations field.

deube Berlin ?
deubb Brandenburg ?
deubw Brandenburg Landesstraßen
deuby Bayern Staatsstraßen
deuhb Bremen ?
deuhh Hamburg ?
deuhe Hessen Landesstraßen
deumv Mecklenburg-Vorpommern Landesstraßen
deuni Niedersachsen Landesstraßen
deunw Nordrhein-Westfalen Landesstraßen
deurp Rheinland-Pfalz Landesstraßen
deusl Saarland Landesstraßen
deusn Sachsen Staatsstraßen
deust Sachsen-Anhalt Landesstraßen
deush Schleswig-Holstein ?
deuth Thüringen Landesstraßen
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on February 01, 2017, 01:45:30 pm
Thanks.
Does "different systems for each one" mean, I should create 16 tier 5 systems for the only region = country? Why w/o "l", deube instead of deubel?
I don't get what "You might want to make use of the abbreviations field." means. Why is it needed if we have 16 systems...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on February 01, 2017, 02:36:44 pm
Does "different systems for each one" mean, I should create 16 tier 5 systems for the only region = country?
I guess you could do it as one system if you want.
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Why w/o "l", deube instead of deubel?
Might as well keep it short!
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I don't get what "You might want to make use of the abbreviations field." means. Why is it needed if we have 16 systems...
You can't have two routes with the same list file entry of <region><route><banner><abbrev>, so two L1's, one in Saxony and one in Bremen, would need distinguishing from each other, even if they are different systems.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on February 01, 2017, 03:03:02 pm
If I got you right... 1 or 16 systems in 1 region distinguished in list files like:

DEU L1st L2 L3 --> German L1 in Sachsen-Anhalt traveled b/n L2 wp and L3 wp.
DEU L2st L1 L3 --> German L2 in Sachsen-Anhalt traveled b/n L1 wp and L3 wp.
DEU L1ni L2 L3 --> German L1 in Niedersachsen traveled b/n L2 wp and L3 wp.
DEU L1sh L2 L3 --> German L1 in Schleswig-Holstein traveled b/n L2 wp and L3 wp.
...

I think 16 systems are better first but could be merged once they are completed.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on February 05, 2017, 05:36:15 am
esp - Spain (roads signed with orange signs?)

They are first class autonomical roads, that means that are freeways or roads like the ones in the National Road network [N-xxx] but managed by the government of the different autonomical communities.

Have a nice day!
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on June 17, 2017, 11:26:49 am
frad - France Routes Départementales (signed but not unique (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_d%C3%A9partementale_fran%C3%A7aise) - range from freeways to tracks)

I think the latter comment "range from freeways to tracks" is from Si and I absolutely agree that it's not manageable. I think we could add a frasd system one day - France Select Routes Départementales - similar to the existing cansph system (Canada Select Provincial Highways).

frasd should minimum contain the expressway(-like) routes or we could go with OSM categories primary / secondary highway. The latter means, "orange" routes and maybe "yellow" routes but not white ones.

The issue with not unique numbering (only within each of 99 departments) could be managed like the currently in use workaround for deul (use department code as banner).
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: cinx on July 13, 2017, 12:52:02 pm
What is the correct way to map deuhel roads?
DEU ..... ?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on July 13, 2017, 01:28:42 pm
What is the correct way to map deuhel roads?
DEU ..... ?

It's the same way like for every other route. Open the highway browser and copy what's displayed for "LIST name".

http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?r=deu.hel3001he
--> DEU L3001HE

btw: Once we'll have split Germany into regions, it will be DEU-HE L3001.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on April 15, 2018, 04:34:41 am
gbrtr - UK Tourist and Scenic Routes (si404)
gbnb - Great Britain B Roads (si404)

What's the correct system prefix, gbn or gbr? The country code is GBR but the system names are gbnm, gbnam, gbna and gbnb. Only gbrtr is using gbr and the system name is UK instead of Great Britain!?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on April 15, 2018, 01:38:56 pm
gbrtr - UK Tourist and Scenic Routes (si404)
gbnb - Great Britain B Roads (si404)

What's the correct system prefix, gbn or gbr?
gbnb.
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The country code is GBR but the system names are gbnm, gbnam, gbna and gbnb.
Yes, the gbnm, gbnam, gbna and gbnb systems are Great Britain specific, rather than UK-wide, with Northern Irish specific separate systems nirm, niram, nira, nirb due to the separate numbering system. If we have a gbrb system, it would have to include the Northern Irish roads in that, which is just silly as they are clearly a separate system with it's own numbering system (though what precisely that system is is a mystery as it seems pretty random).
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Only gbrtr is using gbr and the system name is UK instead of Great Britain!?
Because it contains non-British routes and is a UK-wide system...
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: Spinoza on May 09, 2018, 04:45:26 am
itasr - Italy Strada Regionale (signed? (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strada_regionale))

They usually are signed, although sometimes in a very convoluted fashion.
Not all Italian regions feature such roads, though: only Abruzzo, Umbria, Tuscany, Latium, Piedmont, Friuli, Veneto and Apulia.

The real challenge is to find official lists of all of them. I can try.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: yakra on May 30, 2018, 11:56:27 am
I'm not sure if michih's question got answered.
Great Britain, != all of the UK, I get, that.
But what's the difference between "gbn" and "gbr"?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on May 31, 2018, 05:33:26 am
gbn = Great Britain
gbr = UK
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on July 11, 2018, 08:28:27 am
Looks like Norway is going to be renumbered: https://vegnett.no/2018/07/na-far-mange-veger-nye-nummer/  ::)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on June 16, 2019, 12:41:52 pm
Is there anything ready for peer-review? nirb or any Spanish region?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on June 16, 2019, 01:49:23 pm
Is there anything ready for peer-review? nirb or any Spanish region?
sure, either if you want.

I won't get round to implementing the review for a bit, but if it's done, it's moved stuff along
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on June 16, 2019, 04:05:41 pm
Is there anything ready for peer-review? nirb or any Spanish region?
sure, either if you want.

I won't get round to implementing the review for a bit, but if it's done, it's moved stuff along

Ok, I'll do it according to "my system list (http://travelmapping.net/user/?u=michih)"  8) The order is:
espib (399mi)
espvc (947mi)
espri (274mi)
esppv (461mi)
espmd (637mi)
espnc (937mi)
nirb (2776mi)
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on August 28, 2019, 01:17:51 pm
Names of reviewers added.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on September 01, 2019, 03:44:03 pm
gbnb - Great Britain B Roads (si404) reviewer: michih - or panda80 ?
roudj - Romania Drumuri Județene (potential tier 5 system) (http://documents.tips/documents/lista-drumurilor-judetene-din-romania.html) (panda80) reviewer: michih

gbnb has 2,426 routes in ENG, 658 routes in SCT and 276 routes in WLS.
roudj has 1,295 routes.
That's about 27% of the currently 17,440 preview routes. Or 37,636mi (~9% of preview mileage).

I've announced that I'll peer-review them this winter but..... do we wanna dramatically reduce the number of preview systems first or do we wanna reduce the number of preview routes? To be honest, activating smaller systems with high frequency is funnier but... Systems in Europe have more TM travelers than African or Asian systems. Activating gbnb and roudj would help TM users more. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: Jim on September 01, 2019, 04:58:06 pm
Systems in Europe have more TM travelers than African or Asian systems. Activating gbnb and roudj would help TM users more. Thoughts?

I'm in favor of focusing peer review efforts on the systems for which the most users are claiming travels, as it's really only users who will care if the system is preview or active.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on October 07, 2019, 09:31:48 am
hrvz - Croatia Županijske Ceste (not signed (http://narodne-novine.nn.hr/clanci/sluzbeni/2016_10_96_2071.html))

Changed to:

hrvz - Croatia Županijske Ceste (potential tier 5 system (https://narodne-novine.nn.hr/clanci/sluzbeni/2018_11_103_2021.html))

I got first reports in late 2017 or early 2018 that Croatia has started to sign the routes. I couldn't spot any sign in September 2018 though. I've seen them being signed on motorway exits all over the country and on many D routes now. But on direction signs only, no kilometer posts so far. Unfortunately, OSM seems to have more routes indicated than being officially dedicated, for instance routes through Zagreb. The official list is updated once per year, so no issue. I'll likely draft the system anywhere down the road but not soon.
Title: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on October 17, 2019, 03:17:36 pm
bihr - Bosnia and Herzegovina Regional Roads (??)

Changed to:

bihr - Bosnia and Herzegovina Regionalne ceste I reda (potential tier 5 system (https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spisak_regionalnih_puteva_u_Bosni_i_Hercegovini#Federacija_Bosne_i_Hercegovine))


luxcr - Luxembourg Chemin Repris (potential tier 5 system (http://www.pch.public.lu/fr/reseau-routier/))

Changed to:

luxcr - Luxembourg Chemin Repris (potential tier 5 system but there is already a large tier 4 system (http://www.pch.public.lu/fr/reseau-routier/))


mner - Montenegro Regional Roads (signed?)

Changed to:

mner - Montenegro Regional Roads (signed? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-1_regional_road_(Montenegro)))


rks? - Kosovo Regional Roads (signed?)

Changed to:

rksrr - Kosovo Rrugët Regjionale (signed? (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fensystem_im_Kosovo#Regionalstra%C3%9Fen))