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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: si404 on February 05, 2017, 09:39:16 am

Title: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on February 05, 2017, 09:39:16 am
I just hope they're added soon along with autonomical roads, they are a big part of the road network of my country. I couldn't believe that they hadn't been added yet.
Given it's a huge and fairly complex system, it's unsurprising that we haven't done it. It took me over 100 hours just to bring the autovia/pista system up to date two summers ago. Most of the routes were already mapped (though I had to tweak them to fit better mapping data), and it took that long!

We're talking at least 10 working weeks worth of work for just the roads with N numbers. And you are surprised that we haven't already added not only them, but the Autonomous Community Roads (presumably just the Red- and Orange-signed ones)? This is a volunteer-maintained site!

They are on my to-do-list, but the Spanish road network is daunting and there's other pressures on my TravelMapping time, which is getting smaller and smaller. Gone are the summers where I can spend two weeks of 8-hour days and then several hours a day for most days in the rest of a three-month period that allowed the bringing up-to-date of most of Europe, and the creation of many of Europe's tier 4 systems: most of which took less than a working week's worth of work to bring to activation.
Title: Re: Spain Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on February 18, 2017, 04:19:22 pm

If you want them added, you gotta step up and help out with them yourself. That's how I got started with maintaining Washington state. It was clear nobody was going to fix any of the issues I reported, so the only way they were going to get fixed is if I took over maintenance of Washington. If you're interested in helping out, I would suggest PMing Jim.

Mod edit: Sorry I clicked the wrong button and accidentally edited your post! I meant to quote your post, not edit it.
Given it's a huge and fairly complex system, it's unsurprising that we haven't done it. It took me over 100 hours just to bring the autovia/pista system up to date two summers ago. Most of the routes were already mapped (though I had to tweak them to fit better mapping data), and it took that long!

We're talking at least 10 working weeks worth of work for just the roads with N numbers. And you are surprised that we haven't already added not only them, but the Autonomous Community Roads (presumably just the Red- and Orange-signed ones)? This is a volunteer-maintained site!

They are on my to-do-list, but the Spanish road network is daunting and there's other pressures on my TravelMapping time, which is getting smaller and smaller. Gone are the summers where I can spend two weeks of 8-hour days and then several hours a day for most days in the rest of a three-month period that allowed the bringing up-to-date of most of Europe, and the creation of many of Europe's tier 4 systems: most of which took less than a working week's worth of work to bring to activation.

I understand what you're talking about, and I'm so sorry that I wrote in that impatient way (English isn't my first language and in Spanish "I can't believe it" hasn't the same strongness as in English). I'm also in several projects and I know that sometimes there's not enough time for everything, and I would get involved if I wasn't busy with them. Because of that, I prefer to wait until that systems are implemented or I have time to do it myself, though there's no need to hurry, I can be patient :)
Anyway, if you have any doubt regarding Spanish road systems, I'll be glad to answer it!

Sorry another time, and have a nice day!
Title: Re: Spain Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on February 18, 2017, 05:02:40 pm
Don't worry about. Actually your request reminds me that a couple of years ago, I got a request to do India's National Highways. I spent three days doing the Asian Highways in India with the plan to some day do the National Highways (or allow someone else to do it easily) and replied to the request that I'd done this for now and there would be more to come at some point in the medium term. One person - not the one who asked for Indian Roads - has under 30km of 3000km (at least) travelled and that's it.  :-[ I'm not doing the national highways system - not least as India was a chore to do.

At least Spanish National Highways will get some usage!
Title: Re: Spain Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on February 19, 2017, 02:57:03 am
16 users drove Spanish autovias (espa) and 28 users drove Italian autostradas (itaa). I think both countries are it worth to get a tier 4 system (In addition, I have some mileage on both systems and I wanna travel to Spain again this spring). Dunno about Greece (grceo in development) but only 4 user have grca mileage.

I think Spain and Italy are the last remaining big European gaps which are not yet covered on that level. Potential national road networks are espn + itass. However, both systems are large and signage is quite bad. It makes it hard to draft the routes. See previous discussion about Italy:

If we want to introduce the SS Italian system,

Of course, we want! It's just a matter of having a full list of signed roads et cetera.....

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I think the only sensible way to do that is consider the entire road, not considering the "downgraded" sections that are handled by provinces, otherwise you'll end up with a road segmented in tens of small stretches far away from each other and with little meaning. This would be quite easy, since for instance Italian Wikipedia lists all of them in their original configuration.

Do the rededicated sections have a new number, like SP123 (signed or unsigned)?

It depends on the Region or Province that now handles them. Some provinces keep the number of the SS road and only change the prefix; some others change also the number, some others leave the entire name as before or add prefixes and/or suffixes.

I think the central issue is that we only cover signed roads. Drafting espn or itass would require a time-consuming GSV search...

On the other hand, I thought beln has a similar problem but it applied to the A,B,C,... segments of 1-digit N roads only...
Signage at roads which only lead to the actually numbered road is quite common all over Europe... except some (northern) countries with dotted edge.

Are there minimum lists containing all espn or itass routes? Or official maps like available for Norway (https://www.vegvesen.no/vegkart/vegkart/), Sweden (http://trafikinfo.trafikverket.se/LIT/#url=Vagtrafiken/Karta), Bavaria (https://www.baysis.bayern.de/webgis/synserver?project=webgis) et cetera?
Title: Re: Spain Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on February 19, 2017, 03:33:25 pm
(...)
Are there minimum lists containing all espn or itass routes? Or official maps like available for Norway, Sweden, Bavaria et cetera?
If you want a list of all national roads in Spain, there's a list in the Spanish Wikipedia, and other from the government:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Carreteras_Nacionales_de_Espa%C3%B1a (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Carreteras_Nacionales_de_Espa%C3%B1a)
http://www.fomento.gob.es/NR/rdonlyres/BFE3720F-F919-4ADA-9CCA-BC6F99FD8EEB/137467/Informe4.pdf (http://www.fomento.gob.es/NR/rdonlyres/BFE3720F-F919-4ADA-9CCA-BC6F99FD8EEB/137467/Informe4.pdf) (All roads staring with N-, if they only have a number (like [N-1], [N-3a]...) it should be written in roman ([N-I], [N-IIIa]) though listed as regular ones, because that's how they're signed actually; more info below.
http://www.fomento.gob.es/NR/rdonlyres/F61F9F71-8FF6-4494-81C0-1FB1A0AED9A5/139812/MapaIntensidad_2015.pdf (http://www.fomento.gob.es/NR/rdonlyres/F61F9F71-8FF6-4494-81C0-1FB1A0AED9A5/139812/MapaIntensidad_2015.pdf) a map with traffic data from 2015, it also shows the road numbers of almost all the national roads without seeing the dense low tier autonomical network.

Some additional information:

-All national roads in Spain use the letter N- in white over red as indicator. We use roman numbers for the radial ones, that were the first ones to be built ([N-I], [N-II], [N-III], [N-IV], [N-V] and [N-VI] and three digit numbers for the rest [N-XXX], assigned according to the sector where they are (sectors are marked by the radial ones). If you find roads in red indicators but without the N-, (like the C-12, for example) they aren't national roads, but autonommical roads from some regions that use the color red for their first class roads.

-As the most busy stretches of them have been converted to motorways, they can be intermittent sometimes. That is especially common with the radial ones, as most of the times the new radial motorway ([N-I] -> [A-1], [N-II] -> [A-2], ...) was built OVER the old radial national road and only mountain pass stretches and parts entering into villages remain as the original road. Other times, the old road is preserved as a service road for the new motorway and runs parallel from it. If a new motorway is built following the route of a national road, it usually (not always) takes its first two numbers ([N-501] -> [A-50], [N-540] -> [A-54], ...) this can be useful when searching for missing ones.

-Sometimes, national roads are transferred to autonomous communities and change denominations, so some of the list could be very short, intermitent or no longer exist. Trust in the signs, mileposts, and panels posted seen in Street View.

-National roads are only present in mainland Spain AND the African enclave of Ceuta. Do not bother to look into the Canary and Balearics, they're all autonomical there.

-When a national road is duplicated (for example, when bypassing a village that the road used to cross), a letter (usually a) is added after the number in one of the stretches to differentiate it (like N-IVa]. Very seldomly, the letter is added in capitals or after a -. They keep being considerated the same road as before. Other times letters are added for administrative reasons sometimes and appear with letters in road lists, but usually that extra letters aren't used actually; so trust in the signs, mileposts, and panels posted seen in Street View.

If there's any doubt, feel free to ask
Title: Re: Spain Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on February 20, 2017, 01:24:06 pm
@Si: What do you think about cutting a deal for espn like we've done for norfv*?

@Pepe: If you wanna help, you could check on GSV if the routes are really signed. Post GSV links from the beginning and end of each segment. Let's start with N-I to N-VI which might be the most difficult routes.

*First batch done (Fv7-Fv98 = norfv0), only wait for your latest E/Rv fix upload to bring it to preview.
Title: Re: Spain Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on February 21, 2017, 09:33:46 am
@Si: What do you think about cutting a deal for espn like we've done for norfv*?
What, you make it, but I maintain it and continue to maintain it? Sure.
Title: Re: Spain Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on February 21, 2017, 01:20:39 pm
Yep :)
Title: Re: Spain Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on February 23, 2017, 04:52:12 pm

@Pepe: If you wanna help, you could check on GSV if the routes are really signed. Post GSV links from the beginning and end of each segment. Let's start with N-I to N-VI which might be the most difficult routes.


Of course, I'll send the links asap!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on February 26, 2017, 01:09:28 pm
Sorry for double posting! Here's N-I:

N-I:
[spoiler]
Before listing the stretches, I notice that there are some roads listed in Google Maps as N-I that aren't part of it at the moment (some of them became autovias which got replaced later and the remaining stretches lost their numbering, other parts are now autonommical roads, etc.).And as in most radial roads, when they got replaced with the motorway, sometimes their signs were removed, so trust me, I'll use anyway other indicators that the road was there.
Another important notice: the A-1 motorway (which replaced the N-I and was called N-I at first because it usually was built over the old road) is usually still signed as N-I in the Basque Country (and the same happens with other antional roads converted into motorways), but it's NOT PART of the actual N-I but from the A-1 (Stupid politicians...). Simply, don't count N-I if it's signed with blue backgrounds along it.
Ok, here we start:
1 - A stretch that wasn't converted into motorway because they wanted to bypass the villages the N-I crossed. It starts in the crossing between the M-608, N-320 and A-1 (https://goo.gl/maps/wuPnSUhwBmk), crosses Venturada, bypasses Cabanillas de la Sierra, crosses under the A-1 to serve as service road, returns to the other side to pass through La Cabrera and ends abruptly in the curve of a minor road because it used to continue straight, but the motorway was built over it (exactly here (https://goo.gl/maps/KKBSGPFpw4M2), notice the old markings and the rest of asphalt at the front. This stretch is not signed as N-I in guide signs though there are some things that tell us that this still belongs to the N-I. First, that it's the main street of all the towns it crosses (in Cabanillas it used to be, look at Calle Real), it ends into the motorway, the pavement in non repaved parts looks torn out because of the heavy traffic that passed here before they built the motorway and we can still find old signage telling us that this is the N-I, like these milemarkers telling that this is the km 54: https://goo.gl/maps/o67MPT8jND32 (https://goo.gl/maps/o67MPT8jND32)
2 - Same as the previous one, starts in the exit 72 of the A-1 (https://goo.gl/maps/2U96gM39cuz), continues as a service road, enters into Buitrago del Lozoya, crosses Venta de Mea and merges abruptly into the A-1 here (https://goo.gl/maps/cyccruMSaC12). Same circumstances as the previous one, here some signs and mile markers telling that we're on a part of the N-I:
https://goo.gl/maps/AAUTssvBJwD2 (https://goo.gl/maps/AAUTssvBJwD2)
https://goo.gl/maps/5aqgE3Ns9M32 (https://goo.gl/maps/5aqgE3Ns9M32)
https://goo.gl/maps/9rf4BRqHb2M2 (https://goo.gl/maps/9rf4BRqHb2M2)

3 - This stretch was also kept for bypassing the towns that crossed it and because of the geographical conditions: there's a mountain pass there and they couldn't simply convert it. It starts from this dead end (https://goo.gl/maps/MfGydEq14Qx) (because the motorway was built over the previous part), crosses Robregordo, passes over the motorway, runs through Somosierra, coronating its mountain pass and continues straight as a service road for the different fields there, ending in this sudden dead end (https://goo.gl/maps/V7G8kapVLtr) created by the motorway.
Along with the things mentioned before, it's worth noticing that there are many three lane stretches, which reminds us that this was a very busy radial road in the past part. Here some more kilometer markers and milestones showing the numbering, the first ones quite new indeed:
https://goo.gl/maps/akYNYHpTybv (https://goo.gl/maps/akYNYHpTybv)
https://goo.gl/maps/Yxi6zbEf94L2 (https://goo.gl/maps/Yxi6zbEf94L2)
https://goo.gl/maps/ECiK2GHFHEs (https://goo.gl/maps/ECiK2GHFHEs)
https://goo.gl/maps/vEDUAMwizEz (https://goo.gl/maps/vEDUAMwizEz)
https://goo.gl/maps/kK5pNG9vBkm (https://goo.gl/maps/kK5pNG9vBkm)
https://goo.gl/maps/gN1G2zk3BCr (https://goo.gl/maps/gN1G2zk3BCr)

4 - This section, which is wrongly tagged as N-110 in Google Maps, is another one that was bypassed, this time not by the motorway, but by the own N-I, and then the bypass got upgraded into a motorway. The stretch that runs through the village is named N-Ia accordingly, though remember that the suffix only denotes an alternate itinerary, not a different road. It starts in A-1 exit 100 (https://goo.gl/maps/2zYBMFbDWFD2), continues until the village of Cerezo de Abajo, and crosses it to end in this roundabout connecting with the A-1 and N-110 (https://goo.gl/maps/4xPKH2NXi9T2). We can also find three lane parts on this stretch. Here some more kilometer markers clearly showing the N-1a numbering, and there's even a sign showing distances!:
https://goo.gl/maps/bX66DqVzXcU2 (https://goo.gl/maps/bX66DqVzXcU2)
https://goo.gl/maps/54c3z8KYbWT2 (https://goo.gl/maps/54c3z8KYbWT2)
https://goo.gl/maps/saMaZAdJKCu (https://goo.gl/maps/saMaZAdJKCu)

5 - Here, other stretch bypassed, quite short actually, starts in A-1 exit 109 (https://goo.gl/maps/hT8VyHxp3D12), gives access to Castillejo de Mesleón, and after a crossing turns into a very dilapidated road (but that certainly looks as that it has been a major road in the past) and ends suddenly into a dead end created by the motorway (https://goo.gl/maps/KUZnxavCRfk). Unfortunately, no signage remains of this stretch, though it's quite clear that in the past was a part of the N-I (starts and ends in the motorway, three lane stretches making it a very wide road for the area it serves now, and we can also see lots of restaurants, hostels and shops (most of them closed now) which remind us that this was once a busy major road.

6 - Another bypassed section, starting at the A-1 exit 115 (https://goo.gl/maps/ySF9viQsxgM2), crosses Boceguillas and ends into the motorway too (https://goo.gl/maps/jC1s1j2cfHE2).
Here some kilometer marker signs and a milestone:
https://goo.gl/maps/QpC2eNY2xd12 (https://goo.gl/maps/QpC2eNY2xd12)
https://goo.gl/maps/1H4ayWQyGnv (https://goo.gl/maps/1H4ayWQyGnv)
https://goo.gl/maps/jPetQjgawKR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/jPetQjgawKR2)
https://goo.gl/maps/kXWqFde6zJK2 (https://goo.gl/maps/kXWqFde6zJK2)

7 - This bypassed stretch, quite long, starts at this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/Mdjss4atxGz) (note the guide sign with the road number) connecting A-1 exits 146 and 147 with the village of Milagros and crossing it, then passing through Fuentespina, after that there's an interchange with the A-11 motorway , encircles the town of Aranda de Duero (though in the past it ran straight through the heart of it), gives access to Monte Costaján and merges finally into the A-1 (https://goo.gl/maps/tGLSZYTBcQ62).
This section is also plenty of kilometer markers and milestones, along with guide signs:
https://goo.gl/maps/KXxNnR1uH9n (https://goo.gl/maps/KXxNnR1uH9n)
https://goo.gl/maps/6pjF6SX9P2v (https://goo.gl/maps/6pjF6SX9P2v)
https://goo.gl/maps/R9J1taTbgT22 (https://goo.gl/maps/R9J1taTbgT22)
https://goo.gl/maps/RDUuvNim3t12 (https://goo.gl/maps/RDUuvNim3t12)
https://goo.gl/maps/hyj9mwDCPLy (https://goo.gl/maps/hyj9mwDCPLy)
https://goo.gl/maps/j2dFMWyGkTF2 (https://goo.gl/maps/j2dFMWyGkTF2)
https://goo.gl/maps/DHAA5g2C5RR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/DHAA5g2C5RR2)
https://goo.gl/maps/kPAkDS8G5yN2 (https://goo.gl/maps/kPAkDS8G5yN2)
https://goo.gl/maps/tMi32RMAU222 (https://goo.gl/maps/tMi32RMAU222)
https://goo.gl/maps/feNbNjaanoF2  (https://goo.gl/maps/feNbNjaanoF2)(a reassurance sign)
https://goo.gl/maps/S5Bz2oiDbLM2  (https://goo.gl/maps/S5Bz2oiDbLM2)(a distance one)
https://goo.gl/maps/VhZexgvDXwr  (https://goo.gl/maps/VhZexgvDXwr)(same, southbound)
https://goo.gl/maps/8UtTkX8g6zv  (https://goo.gl/maps/8UtTkX8g6zv)(the N-Ia in this case refers to the streets where the road used to go through in Aranda de Duero until it was bypassed (the bypass is what today is N-I), add it if you believe it's important)
https://goo.gl/maps/r3JAnSU43z12 (https://goo.gl/maps/r3JAnSU43z12)
https://goo.gl/maps/cqFmYGqABJD2  (https://goo.gl/maps/cqFmYGqABJD2)(here the works of the N-I/A-11 interchange, now the A-11 is finished but GSV hasn't been updated, here you can see one of the guide signs in that motorway, leading to N-Ihttps://goo.gl/maps/rEDSxA52srT2, bad quality is because this is seen from the A-1 in its own interchange with A-11)
https://goo.gl/maps/ZjB1FVzUvmr (https://goo.gl/maps/ZjB1FVzUvmr)
https://goo.gl/maps/o6fue81qHbo (https://goo.gl/maps/o6fue81qHbo)
https://goo.gl/maps/3UztNJMYwSF2 (https://goo.gl/maps/3UztNJMYwSF2)
https://goo.gl/maps/vbykAnbFh2q (https://goo.gl/maps/vbykAnbFh2q)
https://goo.gl/maps/b5Cp4y431un (https://goo.gl/maps/b5Cp4y431un)
https://goo.gl/maps/HvznHRM8E5n (https://goo.gl/maps/HvznHRM8E5n)
https://goo.gl/maps/siQDiojqRuT2 (https://goo.gl/maps/siQDiojqRuT2)
https://goo.gl/maps/GpAY4dBehf82 (https://goo.gl/maps/GpAY4dBehf82)
https://goo.gl/maps/85ZvtTto8Rq (https://goo.gl/maps/85ZvtTto8Rq)
https://goo.gl/maps/FGUtbi1Yfd92 (https://goo.gl/maps/FGUtbi1Yfd92)
https://goo.gl/maps/Dz61FP3jS1F2 (https://goo.gl/maps/Dz61FP3jS1F2)
https://goo.gl/maps/hqfhYVUhk7F2 (https://goo.gl/maps/hqfhYVUhk7F2)
https://goo.gl/maps/v1uKqj3osqE2 (https://goo.gl/maps/v1uKqj3osqE2)
https://goo.gl/maps/tCTMZsqXhXQ2 (https://goo.gl/maps/tCTMZsqXhXQ2)
https://goo.gl/maps/gZseocVpTbU2 (https://goo.gl/maps/gZseocVpTbU2)

8 - Another short bypassed stretch, starts at this dead end (https://goo.gl/maps/sDsmqEaUHY72), gives access to Gumiel de Izán and ends in this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/QxENBPr3CrA2) with the 171 exit of the A-1.
Here a milestone telling that this is part of the N-I
https://goo.gl/maps/LjMvtbR7J3m (https://goo.gl/maps/LjMvtbR7J3m) (it looks brand new though being more than 60 years old!)

9 - Other short section bypassed, starting in this curve (https://goo.gl/maps/jEZLX53u1Ln) (note the old road going straight), passes under the motorway, passes through the village of Quintanilla de la Mata and ends in this roundabout  (https://goo.gl/maps/FsM2BSDM34k)connecting it to A-1 exits 198.
Here a kilometer sign showing this stretch is part of N-I:
https://goo.gl/maps/Ygcqyh23GCE2 (https://goo.gl/maps/Ygcqyh23GCE2)

10 - Other stretch bypassed, starts in the A-1 exit 200 (https://goo.gl/maps/EVLoTwFX9Yr), goes straight into the town of Lerma, crosses with N-622 and merges with the A-1 (https://goo.gl/maps/FThFGMyjb5k).
Kilometer signs:
https://goo.gl/maps/xZkiEjxqiUD2 (https://goo.gl/maps/xZkiEjxqiUD2)
https://goo.gl/maps/XRhWeNL1uqr (https://goo.gl/maps/XRhWeNL1uqr)
https://goo.gl/maps/JacwPYnvceE2 (https://goo.gl/maps/JacwPYnvceE2)

11 - This looong section starts as the other ones, bypassed, for avoiding the city of Burgos. Most of the streets where N-I passed through have been transferred to the city, so now the N-I in the city starts at this crossing (https://goo.gl/maps/iLYDhdDpeHM2) , then after exiting the city; A-1 motorway ends and merges into the N-I (https://goo.gl/maps/WfhHFwMiSb22) while there's an alternate fast route using the AP-1 tollway. After crossing many towns and villages, just before entering the Basque Country the road turns another time into the A-1 motorway in a roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/EsVJ6nLq1rQ2).

12 - This is the last section I found so far. It's wrongly signed as A-3310 at the beginning (https://goo.gl/maps/XuaSFEu835p), but that's another road which crosses this stretch later. Here's, for example, a confirmation sign some meter later showing this is the N-I actually  (https://goo.gl/maps/raPuarFwveB2) (though wrongly signed as N-1). More (https://goo.gl/maps/7HNTK3vKYDv) and more milestones (https://goo.gl/maps/K4uTBUhY9MQ2) confirm us that. Here's the actual A-3310 (https://goo.gl/maps/F8UH9Xc1iCr). Then, the road continues as N-I without any wrong sign now (https://goo.gl/maps/pZD2HJw4a2L2). After a while, it turns into a dual carriageway road that probably was an attempt at doing an autovia in the 70s and ends bifurcating exactly here (https://goo.gl/maps/UEpdxT87GXQ2). This milepost (https://goo.gl/maps/ojNppz4khLQ2) ensures us that that last part was also a section from the N-I.
[/spoiler]

N-II will come soon!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on February 26, 2017, 04:11:07 pm
Wow, thanks :)

I've drafted the first 6 routes: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1134. Should be in the HB with the next update Jim is running.

I've started with no. 1-4, 6 and 7 because unsigned (no. 5) routes are generally excluded (I'll continue with no. 8 tomorrow).

Your info is quite good :) It's not necessary to post so many links like you've done for no. 7. Just the "first" and "last" relevant one or from locations where the route is not clear (the 6 routes drafted are clear because they are on OSM and GM). It would help, if you could generally add the motorway exit number or cross road numbering from the beginning and end of each route. If the road is parallel to a motorway, I usually begin and end at the interchange even if there is a "little gap", e.g. the ramps from a roundabout to the motorway carriageways. Maybe I'll omit "dead ends", for instance, "NIRob" ends at exit 92. We don't include "old alignments" but signed routes only.

@Si:
1. Do you think the routes drafted are fine?
2. What do you think about exit 76 (NIBui), should we move it to the other ramp? Generally, do you wanna do modifications like this (how to report) or should I do it?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on February 27, 2017, 06:54:32 am
Wow, thanks :)

I've drafted the first 6 routes: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1134. Should be in the HB with the next update Jim is running.

I've started with no. 1-4, 6 and 7 because unsigned (no. 5) routes are generally excluded (I'll continue with no. 8 tomorrow).

Your info is quite good :) It's not necessary to post so many links like you've done for no. 7. Just the "first" and "last" relevant one or from locations where the route is not clear (the 6 routes drafted are clear because they are on OSM and GM). It would help, if you could generally add the motorway exit number or cross road numbering from the beginning and end of each route. If the road is parallel to a motorway, I usually begin and end at the interchange even if there is a "little gap", e.g. the ramps from a roundabout to the motorway carriageways. Maybe I'll omit "dead ends", for instance, "NIRob" ends at exit 92. We don't include "old alignments" but signed routes only.

@Si:
1. Do you think the routes drafted are fine?
2. What do you think about exit 76 (NIBui), should we move it to the other ramp? Generally, do you wanna do modifications like this (how to report) or should I do it?

Ok, thanks for your work, I'll do my best!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on February 27, 2017, 02:26:56 pm
I've added the remaining N-I routes no. 8 to 12 and no. 13 from A1 exit 405 to GI-11 near the AP1/AP8 interchange (mostly concurrent with existing E5).
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 01, 2017, 05:26:56 am
Hello again! Here's N-II!
N-II:
1 - A bypassed section starting at this stub (https://goo.gl/maps/7USfrvRPWvs) and ending in a roundabout with CM-2011 and A-2 exit 73  (https://goo.gl/maps/ywGwU6SXSv92). Unfortunately, no signage has been preserved, but it's quite clear that this is a part of N-II (abrupt ending because of the motorway, the name "Ctra. Zaragoza" (Zaragoza's the next big city N-II crossed) and the strange wide for a service road.

2 - Other bypassed section, starting here (https://goo.gl/maps/QVkMd3ieMsB2), where it merges with the A-2 motorway; here  a dilapidated distance sign covered with grafitti (https://goo.gl/maps/BXHPM5f9tmy) (the top reads N-II, though it's quite blurry), and after crossing Algora, another one along with a milestone (https://goo.gl/maps/eZujWw6gG8E2), for ending in this roundabout connecting A-2 exit 113 (https://goo.gl/maps/XojYU7Vh8522).

3 - Other bypassed stretch, wrongly labeled as N-IIa, starts at the roundabout between A-2 exit 118 and an unnamed short road towards GU-118 (https://goo.gl/maps/nj76LsL6Ru62). Then, enters Torremocha del Campo for ending as a motorway ramp here (https://goo.gl/maps/Q4S7oP3QudH2). Here's a kilometer sign (https://goo.gl/maps/7x9VmbXwwC82).

4 - A bypassed section giving acces to the village of Sauca, starts at A-2 exit 126 (https://goo.gl/maps/aiHD21A1R5n) and ends in exit 129 (https://goo.gl/maps/Bo7oaCNmwNs). A kilometer signs (https://goo.gl/maps/c1uCsWvUBRQ2) tells us that this is part of N-II.

5 - Another bypassed one, starting at A-2 exit 141 (https://goo.gl/maps/EtsuUV4Vvhp), passes through Esteras de Medinaceli and ends in exit 144 (https://goo.gl/maps/WamB6E3PhLU2).

6 - This other, for avoiding the town of Medinaceli and other villages, starts at exit 145 (https://goo.gl/maps/E6k9KANcZjL2), crosses the modern part of the town, passes under the A-15, then under the A-2, crosses the villages of Lodares, Jubera, Somaén and Arcos de Jalón and ends in this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/bm6yUc9Yah32) for merging into the A-2. There is a big amount of signage in this section, even street one (https://goo.gl/maps/saNrnrobqao).

7 - Another bypassed stretch, starting at exit 177 (https://goo.gl/maps/2CzsTecp2cu), giving access to Santa María de la Huerta and ending at the merge here (https://goo.gl/maps/5aSXgFEH7Au) . Here two signs (https://goo.gl/maps/wVAckxybF6y), just before it.

8 - This section, which is wrongly labeled as Z-V-3511 (though there's no signage in the stretch as Z-V-35119), starts at A-2 exit 190 (https://goo.gl/maps/dt7uJ7DSbM72) and ends at this bridge which covers it (https://goo.gl/maps/AxcRQ4xo2352). Here, these kilometer signs (https://goo.gl/maps/CAc7sAqbEtq)  tell us that we're actually in the N-IIa, and also does this one (https://goo.gl/maps/qTbpRsiMSUK2).

9 - This long stretch (one part of it N-II and the other N-IIa) starts at exit 204 (https://goo.gl/maps/Q1kD1xodkWv), gives access to the village of Contamina, crosses Alhama de Aragón, Bubierca, Ateca, Terrer, Calatayud and, after interchanging with A-2 (exit 242), becomes a parallel service road to separe some meters later. Then, it gives access to Aluenda and returns to the motorway at exit 252 (https://goo.gl/maps/LfzNeGv9AC52). Some extra kilometer signage tell us this is part of N-II:https://goo.gl/maps/sUhzbwgP8nG2 (https://goo.gl/maps/sUhzbwgP8nG2), https://goo.gl/maps/hcMJCHeZXDp (https://goo.gl/maps/hcMJCHeZXDp)

10 - This section starts at A-2 exit 260 (here a confirmation sign later telling this is N-IIa (https://goo.gl/maps/amgqYsdinux)), enters La Almunia de Doña Godina, passes under the motorway and ends in exit 273 (https://goo.gl/maps/tzBtCiUvkZN2). Extra sign if needed: https://goo.gl/maps/svrEh87rjUB2 (https://goo.gl/maps/svrEh87rjUB2)

11 - This stretch starts at the merging in exit 296 (https://goo.gl/maps/MsMwAGVHjgP2), crosses La Muela and becomes detoured to the north because of the access to exit 299. Then, it passes through a tunnel and ends in a roundabout with exit 301 (https://goo.gl/maps/aotx69PpTMG2). Direction signs ommit this is N-II, but this kilometer sign (https://goo.gl/maps/y44qMBzQrbw)  (close to the merging) and this other one (https://goo.gl/maps/67qLCoorZa82) (in the tunnel entrance) tell us we're on N-II.

12 - This section, that goes through the heart of the city of Zaragoza, starts at the A-2/Z-40 interchange (https://goo.gl/maps/PTEeVqXJ1UL2) as an avenue going straight into the city and ending in a roundabout with Vía de la Hispanidad and Av. de Madrid (https://goo.gl/maps/MYbcnR923fo). The road used to continue through the later, but now that street it's transferred to the city. This kilometer sign (https://goo.gl/maps/geFKqLuxr8G2) tells us this last section is also N-II.

13 - This one starts at Z-40 exit 15 (https://goo.gl/maps/bJ8q5Fz6Pw52) , crosses some industrial areas, goes through La Puebla de Alfindén and Alfajarín, and then the A-2 interchanges with it, becoming the AP-2 tollway after that, making the N-II the main toll-free route in the area and creating huge truck traffic over it. After, it gives access to Nuez de Ebro, ARA-A1 autonomical motorway, Villafranca de Ebro and Osera de Ebro, crosses Bujaraloz, Peñalba and Candasnos. When the A-2 returns, N-II separes to the north for crossing Fraga, passes over the motorway to continue as a service road in both sides of the A-2 until the roundabout with exit 447, where it separes to serve Alcarrás and enters Lleida, where it ends in a roundabout with LL-11 (https://goo.gl/maps/N7vUqskvodo) (which is a renumbering of N-II actually hahah).

14 - A long section. Just when LL-11 ends merging into the A-2, its exit 1 returns us to the N-II (kilometer sign just after it (https://goo.gl/maps/ZiZqDbLonEU2)), enters Bell- Lloc d'Urgell, Sidamunt, Mollerussa, Golmés, Bellpuig, where in A-2 exit 498, (which also links to it (https://goo.gl/maps/ERPpXueKNXT2)) turns into a service road in both sides of the motorway. After some kilometers, separes for giving access to Vilagrasa and Tàrrega, where another time turns into A-2 service road while linking with an exit (510), separes another time for going to Cervera, runs parallel to the motorway for several kilometers, arribes to Jorba and in A-2 exit 549 does the same as in exits 498 and 510 until exit 551, where it separes for serving Igualada, and merges with A-2 when arribing to Ca n'Alzina (https://goo.gl/maps/RmyDR3qqkNE2). This sign (https://goo.gl/maps/rKUPgUnuNFo) leading there shows us that's N-II.

15 - This strecth starts at A-2 exit 564 (https://goo.gl/maps/ftEQCMoBbZq) and is signed as N-IIz, as this signs a bit further (https://goo.gl/maps/qQfX6GKMzUG2) down shows. After linking with A-2 in exit 570 becomes a service road of it, separes to serve Bruc and ends in exit 572. A kilometer marker just before the exit 572 (https://goo.gl/maps/CryVTS2Nizw) shows us this is still N-II.

16 - N-II reappears in this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/oreY9UzxYhz) in a suburb of Barcelona called Martorell, continues through a industrial area and the Barcelonese conurbations of Sant Andreu de la Barca and Pallejà, to merge with the N-340 (https://goo.gl/maps/UUY9Zgp5EBQ2) before Can Ros. Here a sign in the opposite direction (https://goo.gl/maps/JrT3zDK9oVr) of the interchange.

17 - In this crossing in Mongat (https://goo.gl/maps/4iRc81rJ5Jy), near Badalona, N-II returns as this sign (https://goo.gl/maps/wmB3ycJPzfH2) tells us. After a while, it links with exit 216 of C-31, then links in a roundabout with the B-20 and C-32 (as this sign (https://goo.gl/maps/QUJ1o1GrtgQ2) shows), passes through El Masnou, Premià de Mar and Vilassar de Mar, to finally merge with C-32 to bypass Mataró (https://goo.gl/maps/EVJrDzct6hP2).

18 - Although the merging with C-32 in the previous stretch, the road used to go through the city before the bypass and this itinerary is still signed as N-II, so what we have here is that the N-II here divides to either bypass or cross Mataró. Then, the stretch would start in that division (https://goo.gl/maps/EVJrDzct6hP2), but going straight up.
Althought it's not signed in the division (probably to encourage drivers to go through the bypass and make traffic inside the city lighter) several signs tell us that it goes through the city:
In a roundabout with B-40 located a bit after the division:  https://goo.gl/maps/UTnganQe6G72 (https://goo.gl/maps/UTnganQe6G72)
In another roundabout with a street: https://goo.gl/maps/eZ9NQFVs3PQ2  (https://goo.gl/maps/eZ9NQFVs3PQ2)
In the Plaça Laietana roundabout (both ways): https://goo.gl/maps/KxfYS67qMRx (https://goo.gl/maps/KxfYS67qMRx), https://goo.gl/maps/3MAu6j8Qynw (https://goo.gl/maps/3MAu6j8Qynw)
And in several more (like in the one with Ronda Barceló), that I'm not gonna post for avoiding an excess of links.
After exiting Mataró through Avinguda del Maresme returns to have its typical wide (here a kilometer sign (https://goo.gl/maps/h2dnq1Qt3LD2)), goes through Can Sanç, Arenys de Mar (where it crosses with C-61), Canet de Mar, Sant Pol de Mar, Calella and Pineda de Mar, gives access to Malgrat de Mar, interchanges with C-32 in its exit 130 (https://goo.gl/maps/SFTiDUpFZ9P2), serves Tordera and Sant Pere, interchanges with C-35 and C-63, and after interchanging turns finally into the A-2 motorway (both ways): https://goo.gl/maps/BZaAMyiBxqK2 (https://goo.gl/maps/BZaAMyiBxqK2), https://goo.gl/maps/pyF2zs6j1GN2  (https://goo.gl/maps/pyF2zs6j1GN2)

19 - When A-2 ends near the city of Girona, N-II reappears in both N-II and N-IIa (according to their itinerary, N-IIa crosses the city and N-II bypasses it). In this stretch we are going to focus on N-IIa. After the end of the A-2, N-IIa starts here (https://goo.gl/maps/LXPgnagJKPH2), crosses industrial areas and suburbs, goes under the C-65, crosses the town through Carrer Barcelona (Barcelona street, here's a sign (https://goo.gl/maps/eAFx1EwRxkD2)), Gran Via de Jaume I and Avinguda de França (France Avenue), (here some signs at this street: https://goo.gl/maps/6UX654CdPum (https://goo.gl/maps/6UX654CdPum), https://goo.gl/maps/zToxMSrsuU22 (https://goo.gl/maps/zToxMSrsuU22)) and merges finally into N-II (both ways): https://goo.gl/maps/y6zGQDFBtYR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/y6zGQDFBtYR2), https://goo.gl/maps/hH99E6gBhr92 (https://goo.gl/maps/hH99E6gBhr92).

20 - When A-2 ends near the city of Girona, N-II reappears in both N-II and N-IIa (according to their itinerary, N-IIa crosses the city and N-II bypasses it). In this stretch we are going to focus on N-II. After the end of the A-2, N-II starts here (https://goo.gl/maps/LXPgnagJKPH2), interchanges with C-65, then with C-66 and then N-IIa merges into it. After that, goes through Medinyà, links to AP-7, crosses Bàscara, and, before arriving to Figueres, also divides into N-IIa. We'll cover that N-IIa stretch that goes right into Figueres (N-II bypasses it) in section 21. After that, gives access to El Pont del Príncep, interchanges with C-31, C-260, N-260, N-IIa (it merges here) and AP-7 in its exits 3 and 2, crosses the town of La Junquera, interchanges with AP-7 another time in its exit 1 and arrives to the border town of El Pertús, where it ends in the border with France, where it turns into the D900 (both ways): https://goo.gl/maps/7MDBrC8Eouu (https://goo.gl/maps/7MDBrC8Eouu), https://goo.gl/maps/WER1JUV3ho22  (https://goo.gl/maps/WER1JUV3ho22).

21 - N-IIa, which crosses Figueres instead of bypassing it, starts in this division of the N-II (https://goo.gl/maps/S2gqVkDadK72) , crosses with C-26 and C-31, enters the town where it crosses with N-260 (a street sign in N-260 (https://goo.gl/maps/Q1kQtNqDfPq) showing that it crosses the town) and merges finally with N-II (both ways): https://goo.gl/maps/suB8P72NkdU2  (https://goo.gl/maps/suB8P72NkdU2), https://goo.gl/maps/N8Pg3pXpFts (https://goo.gl/maps/N8Pg3pXpFts).

BTW, one of the stretches of N-I that you added (NI (Beasain)) isn't part actually of N-I though being signed as that, but from A-1, as I explained before. Furthermore, new signage erected there shows A-1.

N-III will come soon!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 01, 2017, 11:59:08 am
BTW, one of the stretches of N-I that you added (NI (Beasain)) isn't part actually of N-I though being signed as that, but from A-1, as I explained before. Furthermore, new signage erected there shows A-1.

I've discussed this issue with Si in 2015. He wrote that the section is N-I according to TM rules. Routes are to be called like they are signed.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 01, 2017, 03:46:23 pm
BTW, one of the stretches of N-I that you added (NI (Beasain)) isn't part actually of N-I though being signed as that, but from A-1, as I explained before. Furthermore, new signage erected there shows A-1.

I've discussed this issue with Si in 2015. He wrote that the section is N-I according to TM rules. Routes are to be called like they are signed.

There's signage showing both denominations in that section and they are updating the old signs to show A-1 instead, but I understand it, so leave it as N-I if you want, it's actually Basque DOT fault (stupid, stupid politicians hahah)  :P
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 02, 2017, 03:21:47 pm
NII/NIIa/NIIz: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1138

Notes:
1: Not signed, not in HB
2: one way only and short, not in HB
3: NIINor
4: NIISau
5: NIIEst
6: NIIArc
7: NIIMar
8: NIIaAri
9: NIIa
10: NIIaAlm
11: NIIMue
12: NIIZar
13: NII
14: NIICer + NIIaIgu
15: NIIz
16: NIIAnd
17+18: Merged to NIIMat
19: NIIaGir
20: NIIFig
21: NIIaFig

Please always indicate if the route has a suffix, e.g. N-IIa. Thanks.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 03, 2017, 02:50:50 pm
Please always indicate if the route has a suffix, e.g. N-IIa. Thanks.

Ok, I'll do it from now! Here's N-III (no N-IIIa, or suffixes, don't worry)

1 - The first remaining stretch of N-III I've found starts at this roundabout in Arganda del Rey  (https://goo.gl/maps/2xipS66DmFC2)(wrongly colored, there's also a sign pointing backwards, but there's no signage in the previous streets, so I assume the parts before have been all transferred), after partly bypassing the town, exits it, then interchanges with A-3 (exits 33, 33A and 33B), crosses with M-220 and A-3 exit 35, contiunes towards Perales del Tajuña and ends in the roundabout (here's a sign of it: https://goo.gl/maps/7RcVGYZHf1z (https://goo.gl/maps/7RcVGYZHf1z)) with M-204 and A-3 exit 41.

2 - This section starts at A-3 exit 79 (https://goo.gl/maps/eRtpWLiYE5C2), and though not signed, there is a kilometer sign (https://goo.gl/maps/1Qsycw1kBkp) some meters later. After bypassing Tarancón and crossing with N-400 (shares denomination with it for some meters), then interchanges with N-400 (ending the sharing), passes under the A-3 connecting with its exit 85, to finally merge with it here (https://goo.gl/maps/Cx4WNhaunKN2). Here's a kilometer sign (https://goo.gl/maps/JafzrUyMwBT2) a bit before the merging 

3 - This stretch, which starts at A-3 exit 93 (https://goo.gl/maps/eqNjFwEUwkk), crosses Villarrubio and ends in exit 95 (https://goo.gl/maps/GByfrVKpeNn), only has this sign (https://goo.gl/maps/Ac5Uw89aDnp) remaining (note the decolored by the years N-III numbering in the top part, this sign is so old it even uses the French font Caractères!)

4 - There's another stretch in Saelices from exit 101 to a stub, though as there's no signage it cannot be part of Travel Mapping. I'm posting it anyway just for any curious roadgeek reading this, as this stretch bypasses an old N-III section with the original cobblestone pavement of the CNFE (first network of roads in Spain suitable for cars), dating back to the 1920s. This historical section starts here (https://goo.gl/maps/LRv6ayaZ3zo). Also, in the whole section you can see intersting stuff like ancient signage and even yellow markings in the road center (like in the US) sometimes, as the roads in Spain were yellow marked for separating lanes back in the 50's.

5 - This part starts at A-3 exit 114 (https://goo.gl/maps/KhFxJy82KHU2), crosses Montalbo and ends in exit 117. This section also has very interesting old signage, like this (https://goo.gl/maps/doY2u5cjjSU2) (that's supposed to be a gas pump!), but what matters is that it's actually part of the N-III, as this kilometer sign shows (https://goo.gl/maps/KZRFApoLkJu) (sorry for the angle, plants obstruct the view).

6 - This stretch starts at exit 130 (here a kilometer sign just after it (https://goo.gl/maps/KYBRrMEQr382)), crosses Villares del Saz (here's (https://goo.gl/maps/8ZfcNRh1nsm) the road number above the village name) and ends in exit 133 (https://goo.gl/maps/XixaPQh6ACw).

7 - This long section going through the beautiful reservoir of Contreras, and which I've had the luck to clinch partially starts at A-3 exit 165 (https://goo.gl/maps/njhAyeVUKfJ2), passes through Honrubia, goes over Alarcón Dam, crosses Motilla del Palancar, where crosses with CM-220, gives access to Castillejo de Iniesta, Graja de Iniesta and Minglanilla, to interchange with CM-211 and arrives to Contreras mountain pass, where it gets very scenic. After going through a tunnel (and linking with CV-4661 before, that goes where the N-III used to go before the building of the Contreras Dam and it's a quite beautiful mountain drive), and other one, goes over the Contreras Dam, which also separes Castile-La Mancha and the Land of Valencia. Another tunnel awaits us (now in the Valencian side); leaves the mountain area to pass under the A-3 for giving access to Villagordo del Cabriel, where it crosses with CV-474; after that, it goes over the AVE high speed railway, goes through Caudete de las Fuentes and Utiel, where crosses with N-330, CV-392 and A-3 exit 278, then with exit 281, passing under it. After that, it links with exit 285, later it crosses San Antonio, then it bypasses Requena (which also has a very nice cobblestone part) and finally merges into the A-3 in exit 291 (https://goo.gl/maps/AnN6kymZTyw).

8 - N-III returns in this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/sBUHuyM2oHR2), linking it to exit 306, goes under and then over the A-3 to serve some housing developments, then enters Buñol and continues as a service road for the motorway for a while to finally merge near exit 322. Here's a sign (https://goo.gl/maps/QmQNS3Y4sx12) in the other way next to Buñol just to be sure.

9 - This stretch starts at this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/NT4HxjikpSy) (a milestone (https://goo.gl/maps/3aXZavorJMQ2) some meters later tells us this is N-III), bypasses Chiva and ends in a stub made by the motorway (https://goo.gl/maps/UNwbr77DVSK2).

Thanks for your work!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 04, 2017, 05:02:25 am
You're welcome. N-III done:

1: NIIIArg
2: NIIITar
3: It seems to be an old sign. The section is indicated N-III on GM but not on OSM or the Fomento map
4: -
5: NIIIMon
6: NIIIVil
7: NIII
8: NIIIBun
9: NIIIChi

I'll upload it later or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 05, 2017, 09:13:33 am
I've drafted the routes which are (partially) concurrent to existing E roads:

N122 (E82)
N152 (E9)
N154 (next to N152)
N234 (started by mistake because it's next to N330)
N330 (E7)
N340 (E5)
N357 (E15)
N430 (E903 unsigned)
N620 (E80)

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1140

I'll continue with N400 parallel to you because I wanna visit the region this spring :)
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 06, 2017, 02:26:02 pm
N400+ done: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1145.

How do we wanna draft CA-36 in Cadiz?
It's indicated with blue CA-36 signs all the way between CA33 and CA35 but it's not a divided highway on the bridge and west of the bridge. The beginning of Autovia sign is east of the bridge.
OSM indicates CA36 from here to the east and N443 for the west section but I couldn't find any N443 sign on GSV (only on AP4 east of CA34). GM indicates CA36 all the way.
CA33 wp label is 'N443' (no evidence) and CA36 on CA35. In addition, CA32 wp with AP4 is called 'AP4/N443'?!?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 07, 2017, 02:25:21 pm
How do we wanna draft CA-36 in Cadiz?
It's indicated with blue CA-36 signs all the way between CA33 and CA35 but it's not a divided highway on the bridge and west of the bridge. The beginning of Autovia sign is east of the bridge.
OSM indicates CA36 from here to the east and N443 for the west section but I couldn't find any N443 sign on GSV (only on AP4 east of CA34). GM indicates CA36 all the way.
What happens is that at first that was the N-443 all the way, but then they intended to upgrade the N-443 into a high-capacity roadway for serving Cádiz, the CA-36. The problem is that the José León de Carranza Bridge is only three-lane (as it was built for a national road, not for a motorway) and cannot be upgraded to a motorway bridge easily because it's a drawbridge, and that there's no space for upgrading into a motorway in the west area (it's surrounded by Cádiz city), so they only upgraded the east part. Anyway, the road keeps being CA-36 in the west part as this distancemarker (https://goo.gl/maps/XMoPXo7cpy92) and this sign (https://goo.gl/maps/wM6E1KRE2bH2) show. The bridge is also part of CA-36, according to this sign (https://goo.gl/maps/WXpfSv6E5sP2) and this other one (https://goo.gl/maps/Urm7CxCiS2B2). I couldn't find any sign N-443 sign either.

What probably happened is that that stretch was numbered as N-443 at first and recorded in OSM and GM as N-443, and then the government decided to upgrade it and then renumber it (probably around 2002-2003, there were loads of renumberings back then because of a new law) to CA-36, but it wasn't updated correctly in OSM and partly in GM. Then, CA-36 all the way from CA-35 to CA-33.

Keep in mind that having a blue shield and using that numbering doesn't mean that road must be an Autovía or Autopista. Blue almost always means motorway, but sometimes they do things like here and use blue signs for non motorway stretches. Also, remember that suffixes for cities (used for beltways and accesses) like M-40 (Madrid), SE-30 (Seville), V-21 (Valencia), etc. are used for main accesses and bypasses, but that stretches aren't forced to be motorways. For example; in Zaragoza, it's outer beltway, Z-40, is a dual carriageway freeway, but the following beltway (if going towards the city center) is Z-30, which is simply a ring of avenues. Another example is Soria, which has an access numbered as SO-20 which in a part is a motorway and in another, a regular road.

CA33 wp label is 'N443' (no evidence) and CA36 on CA35. In addition, CA32 wp with AP4 is called 'AP4/N443'?!?

I don't know what are you referring to with wp label ^^b, though the N-443 part with the CA-33 happens because of the same explained above, it was upgraded. CA-36 is as stated above, and CA-35 runs from the AP-4/CA-32/CA-35 interchange until Cádiz, going through the 1812 Constitution suspension bridge. For making it clear, on the east part there's a very big shipyard (easily seen from above, has the biggest drydock in Europe), then the road going above the shipyard is CA-35, the one going under it, CA-36. The issue with CA-32, if you're referring to its ending in AP-4/CA-32/CA-35 interchange, that could be because CA-35 was also N-443 in the part located before the CA-36 intechange, but now it's upgraded.

Well, I believe that's all, feel free to ask more things if needed  :D

N-IV will come soon!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 08, 2017, 01:10:19 pm
Keep in mind that having a blue shield and using that numbering doesn't mean that road must be an Autovía or Autopista. Blue almost always means motorway, but sometimes they do things like here and use blue signs for non motorway stretches.

We could put it into eursf system (tier 2) but see below.

Also, remember that suffixes for cities (used for beltways and accesses) like M-40 (Madrid), SE-30 (Seville), V-21 (Valencia), etc. are used for main accesses and bypasses, but that stretches aren't forced to be motorways. For example; in Zaragoza, it's outer beltway, Z-40, is a dual carriageway freeway, but the following beltway (if going towards the city center) is Z-30, which is simply a ring of avenues. Another example is Soria, which has an access numbered as SO-20 which in a part is a motorway and in another, a regular road.

Should we draft another tier 4 or tier 5 system for these roads one day?

Some are already drafted as espa or eursf system routes. If I'm not mistaken, Si's rule was:
- blue signed divided highways: espa - tier 1
- orange signed divided highways: eursf - tier 2
- red signed highways: espn - tier 4

However, I only wanna draft N routes for espn because the system name is "Carretera Nacionales" (national roads).
Maybe we could create a new system (tier 4 or tier 5?) for regional/city/whatever "red signed" routes once espn will be completed?

What's about green shielded routes (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=1964) with freeway standard? Tier 2, tier 5?

I don't know what are you referring to with wp label

wp label = waypoint label: http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?r=esp.ca033.

It was a trigger for Si ;)

N-IV will come soon!

I'm looking forward to get it :)
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 08, 2017, 02:25:53 pm

Should we draft another tier 4 or tier 5 system for these roads one day?

Some are already drafted as espa or eursf system routes. If I'm not mistaken, Si's rule was:
- blue signed divided highways: espa - tier 1
- orange signed divided highways: eursf - tier 2
- red signed highways: espn - tier 4

What I would do if I had to classify the most relevant Spanish roads into Travel Mapping would be:

blue signed divided highways: espa - tier 1, Autopistas/Autovías maintained by the Red de Carreteras del Estado in most of the country (Central Spanish Government), that would mean leaving there ONLY the motorways starting with A- or AP- (and that doesn't include some autonomical motorways that use the A- as well, like the A-321) AND the urban motorways (the ones with prefixes for the city they're serving name), as they are also maintained by the central Spanish government.

blue/orange/green signed divided highways: eursf - tier 2, autonomical motorways, maintained by the diferent Autonomous Communities. It would only cover actual motorway stretches, as most autonomical motorways continue as regular roads without changing the numbering. You could also add the non-motorway stretches for urban roads (like the ones we were talking above), as though being maintained by the central government, they aren't motorways so they shouldn't be in espa.

orange/green/red/blue/etc. signed roads: espaua (or whatever,  they're autonomical first class roads) - tier 2-3-4, autonomical main roads, from the width of six-lane dual-carriageway motorways to one lane non divided roads with the same wide as a national road (that means 3-3.5 meter lanes and 1-1.5 meter shoulders when possible, being autonomical doesn't mean they're secondary), as most of the ones converted to motorways are only partly, and they continue as regular highways. The colors of their shields, prefixes and that stuff vary from community to community, though I can help you with them and there are road catalogs for every community listing all their roads according to their importance, so you could see which autonomical roads should be here and which not. If using this classification criteria, autonomical motorways would be in both espaua and eursf. Here's where the road you were asking (A-1051) would be added.

- red signed highways: espn - tier 4 National roads, always maintained by the central government, remember that sometimes red doesn't mean national (see C-XX in Catalonia).

THEN, if you really wanted, as there are A LOT and would be a tedious task recovering all of them:
orange/green/red/yellow/etc. signed roads: espaub (or whatever,  they're autonomical second class roads) - tier 4-5, roads maintained by autonomous communities for serving medium-haul routes between cities, towns and villages, and not as wide as the first class ones.

And then there are two more least important classes of roads (Third class autonomicals and provincials), though I don't feel they need to be added as they only serve short routes between villages and the provincial ones may even lack markings hahaha

Greetings!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on March 08, 2017, 07:32:44 pm
blue signed divided highways: espa - tier 1, Autopistas/Autovías maintained by the Red de Carreteras del Estado in most of the country (Central Spanish Government), that would mean leaving there ONLY the motorways starting with A- or AP- (and that doesn't include some autonomical motorways that use the A- as well, like the A-321) AND the urban motorways (the ones with prefixes for the city they're serving name), as they are also maintained by the central Spanish government.

blue/orange/green signed divided highways: eursf - tier 2, autonomical motorways, maintained by the diferent Autonomous Communities.
How do you tell apart a blue signed autonomous community motorway from a blue signed national motorway?

It's a lot more reasonable with red cartouches to keep it to just Ns and exclude the Cs, but with blue cartouches there's a wealth of prefixes for both your proposed systems, some of which overlap - how is the average traveller to know which system to look at to find the route?

As for freeway standards, the A660 in France has roundabouts and is partially single carriageway, several motorways in the UK are substandard, etc, etc. And to over-complicate things because of a very small amount of the kilometrage is just nonsense.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 09, 2017, 12:30:09 pm
how is the average traveller to know which system to look at to find the route?

I never select routes by system but by region. I even think that only having A/AP in espa system would be easier to understand than having B, C etc. in espa too.

As for freeway standards, the A660 in France has roundabouts and is partially single carriageway, several motorways in the UK are substandard, etc, etc. And to over-complicate things because of a very small amount of the kilometrage is just nonsense.

German A60, A62 and A64 do partially have two-way traffic. They are signed as "Kraftfahrstraße" ("happy car sign") instead of "Autobahn". They are dedicated as Autobahn though. So what...

I don't ask to do it somehow or other but just ask for a rule.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 09, 2017, 02:11:41 pm
blue signed divided highways: espa - tier 1, Autopistas/Autovías maintained by the Red de Carreteras del Estado in most of the country (Central Spanish Government), that would mean leaving there ONLY the motorways starting with A- or AP- (and that doesn't include some autonomical motorways that use the A- as well, like the A-321) AND the urban motorways (the ones with prefixes for the city they're serving name), as they are also maintained by the central Spanish government.

blue/orange/green signed divided highways: eursf - tier 2, autonomical motorways, maintained by the diferent Autonomous Communities.
How do you tell apart a blue signed autonomous community motorway from a blue signed national motorway?

It's a lot more reasonable with red cartouches to keep it to just Ns and exclude the Cs, but with blue cartouches there's a wealth of prefixes for both your proposed systems, some of which overlap - how is the average traveller to know which system to look at to find the route?

Well, with blue there wouldn't be overlapping. Simply, all roads with blue shields and A/AP-X or A/AP-XX format, along with the urban ones would go to espa.
The rest of blue ones have either different prefixes or more numbers.

As for freeway standards, the A660 in France has roundabouts and is partially single carriageway, several motorways in the UK are substandard, etc, etc. And to over-complicate things because of a very small amount of the kilometrage is just nonsense.

It's not a very small amount of kilometrage though, for example, one road which is one part motorway and other regular road, the autonomical motorway Ma-19, in my island, has only 27 kilometers of motorway from 60 in total. Or the Valencian one CV-35, which has only 60 km of  motorway out of 125, there are loads of examples.

Maybe what I suggested is too much complicated, though I believe it would be nice that if you add first class autonomical roads, find them in a separated system.

Have a nice day!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 12, 2017, 08:58:49 am
I've submitted pull requests for N500+ and N600+. I'll continue with N100.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 12, 2017, 09:50:28 am
There are two N-636 segments. The Formento list indicates only the short (370m) section at Santander airport. The Formento map has also excluded the 2nd section between AP-8 and AP-1. Wikipedia (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Carreteras_Nacionales_de_España) lists the 1st one only but the specific article (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-636) mentions both:

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* La primera comunica la autovía de acceso a Santander S-10 con el Aeropuerto de Santander. Esta carretera es de doble sentido y un carril para cada sentido de circulación y su longitud es de aproximadamente 1 km.
* La segunda corresponde a la carretera de Beasain a Durango por Kanpazar, perteneciente a la red de Interés Preferente del País Vasco y gestionada por la Diputación Foral de Bizkaia y la Diputación Foral de Gipuzkoa en sus respectivos territorios.

If I get it right, the 2nd one is not a national road but managed by Basque County?
However, the milestones look similar (GSV (https://www.google.es/maps/@43.1279072,-2.5558374,3a,15y,310.22h,83.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s97vB0vp3xVievMMfB-Bn4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)). GM indicates N-636 from AP-8 to AP-1, OSM indicates the last segment up to AP-1 "GI-632".

It has partially motorway standard (opened in 2009 and 2016). If it's not a national road, we could draft it for espa or eursf.


The northern Bilbao motorway bypass - N-637 - is also not on the Formento list but paritally on their map. The wikipedia does not list it but there's a specific article (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-637). No info about management et cetera.

I couldn't find milestones but it's signed like espn routes (GSV (https://www.google.es/maps/@43.2884748,-2.9407249,3a,75y,127.4h,100.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2pXywWR2g7tVCDWaEBpDTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)).


I've drafted the short N-636 and N-637 but not (yet) the long N-636 route. Should I it too? Where should I put these routes?


Edit: N-638, N622 north of Vitoria, N-102 and N-104 are similar...
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 13, 2017, 12:24:37 pm
There are two N-636 segments. The Formento list indicates only the short (370m) section at Santander airport. The Formento map has also excluded the 2nd section between AP-8 and AP-1. Wikipedia (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Carreteras_Nacionales_de_España) lists the 1st one only but the specific article (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-636) mentions both:

Quote
* La primera comunica la autovía de acceso a Santander S-10 con el Aeropuerto de Santander. Esta carretera es de doble sentido y un carril para cada sentido de circulación y su longitud es de aproximadamente 1 km.
* La segunda corresponde a la carretera de Beasain a Durango por Kanpazar, perteneciente a la red de Interés Preferente del País Vasco y gestionada por la Diputación Foral de Bizkaia y la Diputación Foral de Gipuzkoa en sus respectivos territorios.

If I get it right, the 2nd one is not a national road but managed by Basque County?
However, the milestones look similar (GSV (https://www.google.es/maps/@43.1279072,-2.5558374,3a,15y,310.22h,83.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s97vB0vp3xVievMMfB-Bn4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)). GM indicates N-636 from AP-8 to AP-1, OSM indicates the last segment up to AP-1 "GI-632".

It has partially motorway standard (opened in 2009 and 2016). If it's not a national road, we could draft it for espa or eursf.

Ok, it's a bit hard to explain ::) I didn't tell about this before in order to make things easier, but I knew I would have to soon or after. I told you that national roads and motorways from the State Road Network are managed by the central government (Ministerio de Fomento) in all Spain. Well, that's partly true, because that doesn't happen in Navarre and the Basque Country, as they're comunidades forales (Chartered communities). That means they have some privileges (coming from the medieval era), and one of those privileges is that all the roads in their territories belong to and are managed by them. That's why the Basque country still used the old denomination for motorways made over national roads for a long time, or why the Basque Country and Navarre networks are so different from the rest of Spain. What probably happened is that the one in Santander was the first N-636, and then the Basques numbered one of their roads as N-636 too as they use the N- denomination for their first class roads. Although it has a part being a dual carriageway, I would add it to the espn, as there's no sign of "autovía", and the road specs aren't the required for Spanish motorways.

The N-637 is also not signed in Fomento because of the mentioned above, though it's still a National road, the same with N-638, 622, 102...

Sorry for the delay ^^b
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 13, 2017, 04:35:14 pm
Ok, I think these are national highways managed by the regions but signed as national highways. That means, we should draft it for espn because we usually draft routes like they are signed. We shouldn't rely on the Formento document.

btw: N102-N122 are in.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 14, 2017, 03:27:19 pm
Ok, I think these are national highways managed by the regions but signed as national highways. That means, we should draft it for espn because we usually draft routes like they are signed. We shouldn't rely on the Formento document.

btw: N102-N122 are in.
Message edited.

Here's N-IV:

1 - The first stretch I found if starting from Madrid is this bypassed one in Dosbarrios, Castile-La Mancha. Starts at A-4 exit 69 (https://goo.gl/maps/CVSunnnQgHE2) , and after a while, this sign (https://goo.gl/maps/pYEYs6ZEgMN2) tells us this is N-IV. After crossing Dosbarrios, it continues as A-4 service road to merge in exit 72  (https://goo.gl/maps/UjWdbmibFzF2). A pair of signs before that:
https://goo.gl/maps/aaYicAzVryj (https://goo.gl/maps/aaYicAzVryj) (though wrongly colored haha)

2 - This other one starts at exit 83 (https://goo.gl/maps/eHBAupQSMys), here's a kilometer sign along with a milestone (https://goo.gl/maps/51qzQ39Zr6N2), then goes through La Guardia for ending into the A-4 here (https://goo.gl/maps/nPS8ovdCeuB2).

3 - Next one starts at A-4 exit 144 (https://goo.gl/maps/WgtiSA82QHB2), we found a N-IV sign a

bit after https://goo.gl/maps/j91RE4SP4nx, then enters into Villarta de San Juan, where crosses with CM-4126, and ends in exit 149 (https://goo.gl/maps/RyTTDmqFMZR2), leaving another sign before (https://goo.gl/maps/Khg1qWW4S6x).

4 - This one, which was kept because it passes through the pass of Despeñaperros (the traffic jams that were formed here before the building of the motorway are still remembered, and well, there were even traffic jams even in the motorway before updating it with bridges and tunnels hahaha) and is numbered as N-IVa. It starts at the merge here  (https://goo.gl/maps/QDrRpKJ3LU12) (a little bit
further, exit 243 connects the other way  (https://goo.gl/maps/t4i2ev35V2s)), passes through Venta de Cárdenas and then under the motorway. After a while, it leaves Castile-La Mancha to enter Andalusia (https://goo.gl/maps/RzHrt62yJxr) . In this stretch you can see some kilometer signs saying A-4 as one of the motorway carriageways used to go through here (as it was
built over the old national road), but when new tunnels and bridges were built to avoid the curvy stretches, this stretch returned to the N-IV. Actually. you can even see in Google Maps the other carriageway no longer used because of the same reason to the right of the N-IVa. After some tunnels and loads of curves, it interchanges with A-4 in its exit 250 (both ways: https://goo.gl/maps/2K9rNeoSfVC2 (https://goo.gl/maps/2K9rNeoSfVC2), https://goo.gl/maps/WP8po76UTYR2 (https://goo.gl/maps/WP8po76UTYR2)), passes under it several times and finally ends, giving access to Santa Elena, in the A-4 exit 257 (https://goo.gl/maps/7DmuoRG2T3C2).

5 - This stretch starts in a roundabout with A-4 exit 292 and A-44 exit 0 (https://goo.gl/maps/y6mQwdTHYPm), here's a sign just before it. Then goes through a stretch wronlgy labeled in GMas N-323 to share itinerary with it after a roundabout by passing the city of Bailén, then separating with it (https://goo.gl/maps/7Cr6FavDV5T2), to merge with the A-4 (exit 299 (https://goo.gl/maps/RmSthsCcaew))  just after this kilometer sign (https://goo.gl/maps/yWGLYqHuUhx).

6 - The next part found starts at this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/gTEKNQVB25r), and is part of N-IV as this milepost (https://goo.gl/maps/aWD2TKnC3bx) tells us later. Although listed in that milepost as N-IV, it's actually N-IVa, as direction signs show:
https://goo.gl/maps/UrwY5ydDu842 (https://goo.gl/maps/UrwY5ydDu842)
https://goo.gl/maps/TUqVha6UDPM2 (https://goo.gl/maps/TUqVha6UDPM2)

After a bit, the road interchanges with the autonomical road A-306, gives access to El Carpio and ends in exit 377 of the A-4 (https://goo.gl/maps/7enSQBazXVq). Here a kilometer sign (https://goo.gl/maps/WTMZDZR4nsw) just before it.

7 - This one starts at exit 383 (https://goo.gl/maps/yqugYBcxL7H2), connects with CO-3105, crosses Alcolea and enters the city of Córdoba interchanging with N-432 to end in exit 401 (https://goo.gl/maps/KSvSFhdS7Qo). Here's a sign (https://goo.gl/maps/bao4XCyv1FM2) in a roundabout just before it.

8 - The next one starts at the merge here into the A-4 (https://goo.gl/maps/DQF6fangB7N2). Here's a kilometer sign  (https://goo.gl/maps/ZRRfRN5gsWU2)a bit before. It crosses Aldea Quintana (crossing with A-3052), El Quintanar, El Arrecife and La Carlota to end in A-4 exit 434 (https://goo.gl/maps/6jWeJyNz79q).

9 - This other stretch starts at exit 450 (https://goo.gl/maps/XiZbWkgUzoq), and is N-IVa according to the sign. After entering Écija, ends in exit 455 (https://goo.gl/maps/8JQeTpQgSCs)

10 - This section begins in a roundabout in the outskirts of Seville (here's a sign when coming from it (https://goo.gl/maps/duygSWiGEop)), gives access to Dos Hermanas, crosses with SE-3205 and interchanges with AP-4 and A-4, as the later ends and merges into the AP-4, to make N-IV the most popular non-tolled route. BTW, it's wrongly labeled as CA-31 too, though CA-31 is a 2 kilometer only route near Cádiz, so it's a GM mistake. Then it bypasses Los Palacios y Villafranca, gives access to Guadalema de los Quinteros, interchanges with the Andalusian road A-394, crosses with A-371, after it goes through El Cuervo and becomes the A-4 (https://goo.gl/maps/AtBTCyBUQGT2) when approaching Jerez (that's where the sherry wine comes haha)

11 - This one, signed as N-IVa, crosses the city of Jerez. Starting at [img=https://goo.gl/maps/5PpB2KLwnVF2]http://this roundabout[/img], crosses with A-2000 and A-480 atuonomicals, to finish in exit 645 (https://goo.gl/maps/vZV35wB6fGm)


12 - This stretch, signed at the beginning as N-IV and after as N-IVa, starts at this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/R2uDfuGijp62) with CA-31, crosses with A-491 and El Puerto de Santa María to end in this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/PrHjCukyVUE2). It's still signed as going through the river in the other way (https://goo.gl/maps/HWCwd9mFKh62), though I haven't seen any sign after this roundabout. The rest of the stretch, though labeled as N-IVa in GM, is actually CA-32.

That's all!

Next one will be N-V!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 15, 2017, 03:45:39 pm
N-IV done:

1: NIVDos
2: NIVGua
3: NIVVil
4: NIVaEle
5: NIVBai
6: NIVaCar
7: NIVCor
8: NIVa
9: You've not posted any evidence that it's signed and it's not indicated on GM/OSM
10: NIV
11: NIVJer
12: NIVPue

N100+ done, N636 done :)
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 19, 2017, 05:50:16 pm
N204-N362 done. I'll continue with N-VI.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on March 19, 2017, 08:21:04 pm
N351 ends at the ESP/GIB border.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@36.1560832,-5.3508479,3a,51.3y,103.02h,101.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHqeRtNClTGuZp53xPCsfjw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 21, 2017, 09:26:57 am
Ok, I've completed drafting espn and put it to preview (with Jim's next site update).

My notes: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/ESP/espn/README.md.

I didn't find a solution for these routes:
- N301 route from north of Murcia to Cartagena is not clear, not drafted for HB
- N/N502/N502a routing in Talavera de la Reina is not clear to me; only `N502` bypass drafted

@Pepe, it would be great of you could try to figure out these issues.
In addition, please check if I didn't miss any signed route. I think it's easier to find "unintentional gaps" because all routes can be viewed on the map now.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 21, 2017, 05:05:35 pm
Ok, I've completed drafting espn and put it to preview (with Jim's next site update).

My notes: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/ESP/espn/README.md.
Lots and lots of thanks! Very good job :)

I didn't find a solution for these routes:
- N301 route from north of Murcia to Cartagena is not clear, not drafted for HB
What I found:
-A stretch (signed both as N-301 and N-301a, don't really now which is it actually) starting at this roundabout  (https://goo.gl/maps/Za1y9RYTnT32),  crossing El Albujón, RM-602,  Miranda and ending in a roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/XC9RQJH7akm) in Cartagena city centre (here's a sign from one of the other streets (https://goo.gl/maps/1L8sa1X7qxk) of the roundabout)
-This section, starts at this roundabout with A-30 (https://goo.gl/maps/cBXsVP66VF92) , crosses El Palmar, MU-30 and enters Murcia to end in this crossing (https://goo.gl/maps/FjGoBrFzeBL2) (seen from the side).

-The third stretch starts at this roundabout at the outskirts of Murcia (https://goo.gl/maps/MCKstcgxyVD2), as this sign from another street in that roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/hkNieZDW5w62) shows. After crossing with A-7, bypasses Molina del Segura (Where it crosses with N-344) to end in A-30 (https://goo.gl/maps/jT5Wi49omf72). Here's a confirmation sign later (https://goo.gl/maps/C2cRCYndL4z), that though covered with leaves, leaves no doubt this is a national road (as we see the red shield between the leaves).

- N/N502/N502a routing in Talavera de la Reina is not clear to me; only `N502` bypass drafted
It's late here, and I must get up very early tomorrow, so tomorrow afternoon I'll check and edit this.

@Pepe, it would be great of you could try to figure out these issues.
In addition, please check if I didn't miss any signed route. I think it's easier to find "unintentional gaps" because all routes can be viewed on the map now.
Well done! You even done the N-V and N-VI stretches (which is nice, as I've clinched part of the N-VI and N-120 by walking in the St James Way hahaha), so I believe it isn't necessary now to search myself for N-V and N-VI.
The map is very complete, the only gap I found so far is N-340 in Játiva/Xàtiva, in the Province of Valencia. If there's any other I missed, I'll tell you ASAP!

Have a wonderful day!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 22, 2017, 08:52:23 am
Lots and lots of thanks! Very good job :)

You're welcome!

N-301 is done.

You even done the N-V and N-VI stretches (which is nice, as I've clinched part of the N-VI and N-120 by walking in the St James Way hahaha), so I believe it isn't necessary now to search myself for N-V and N-VI.

N-VI/N-651 @Betanzos was odd. Would be great if you could double-check it.

The map is very complete, the only gap I found so far is N-340 in Játiva/Xàtiva, in the Province of Valencia.

I don't remember exactly but I think I couldn't find any evidence that it's signed as N340. It's a regional road according to OSM.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 22, 2017, 03:39:24 pm
- N/N502/N502a routing in Talavera de la Reina is not clear to me; only `N502` bypass drafted
It's late here, and I must get up very early tomorrow, so tomorrow afternoon I'll check and edit this.
Ok, it seems the road goes like as seen in this quick map I've done:
(http://i.imgur.com/ICl5RAa.png)
Maybe, as the bypass is quite new, there are some signs still posting N-502 without the a in the town, though where the road divides (roundabouts 1 and 2), both N-502 and N-502a are clearly signed, leaving no doubt to us:
·Roundabout 1:
-N-502:
https://goo.gl/maps/ok4W4rtGQeF2 (https://goo.gl/maps/ok4W4rtGQeF2)
https://goo.gl/maps/HYwHPH8jXf82 (https://goo.gl/maps/HYwHPH8jXf82)
-N-502a:
https://goo.gl/maps/ZUfEPSSAQWJ2 (https://goo.gl/maps/ZUfEPSSAQWJ2)
·Roundabout 2:
-N-502:
https://goo.gl/maps/B8kSNfDW4gC2 (https://goo.gl/maps/B8kSNfDW4gC2)
-N-502a:
https://goo.gl/maps/EMacX9rfLjG2 (https://goo.gl/maps/EMacX9rfLjG2)

N-VI/N-651 @Betanzos was odd. Would be great if you could double-check it.
What seems to me is that the uppermost N-VI stretch (the one which crosses with N-651) is N-VIa actually, as there's a bypass south of it clearly signed as N-VI, while there's no numeration for the other in the two divisons before the town:
https://goo.gl/maps/dw9uiS1zFYL2 (https://goo.gl/maps/dw9uiS1zFYL2)
https://goo.gl/maps/hoHNUVsbhjL2 (https://goo.gl/maps/hoHNUVsbhjL2)

I also saw signage telling the part going through Betanzos as N-VI, so what I think is that at first the road went through Betanzos, and when they built the bypass didn't bothered to add an a to the signage. Also, I believe that for avoiding traffic following N-VI signs entering the town, they simply didn't put N-VIa in the signs (or maybe they even forgot, seems believable to me here in Spain!). Anyway, then, theorically the one crossing with N-651 and through Betanzos is N-VIa and the bypass is N-VI. As they're both signed as N-VI, add them as you think would be better hahaha

I don't remember exactly but I think I couldn't find any evidence that it's signed as N340. It's a regional road according to OSM.
/maps/oWW1STcN1Uy
Yeah, you're right. It used to be part of the N-340 (and you can even still see signs) but sometime between 2012 and 2016 the stretch looks to be transferred to the Valencian administration, which has renumbered it as three different roads. As the last time I passed there that was still N-340, I thought it kept being it!

Well done!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: cinx on March 22, 2017, 03:47:58 pm
Why isn't the N443/CA-36 on the list?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 22, 2017, 05:06:59 pm
@Pepe: Thanks for N-502/N-502a but what's about N-Va? GM indicates N-Va from N-502a eastwards but OSM partially indicates N-Va only which looks like it might be rededicated meanwhile. Any info?
Your N-VI/N-651 links are broken but if I got you right, I should keep it like it's drafted, shouldn't I?

Why isn't the N443/CA-36 on the list?

N-443 is not signed but CA-36: http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=1951.msg5478#msg5478. I've only drafted espn system. Si maintains Spain.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 25, 2017, 07:20:06 am
@Pepe: Thanks for N-502/N-502a but what's about N-Va? GM indicates N-Va from N-502a eastwards but OSM partially indicates N-Va only which looks like it might be rededicated meanwhile. Any info?
Well, there N-Va shares itinerary with N-502a when entering Talavera, then with N-502 when N-502a ends on it and finally separes from them a while later to merge into the A-5. Although that, I haven't seen signs of it (probably replaced with the ones indicating the A-5), so draft it if you want.

Your N-VI/N-651 links are broken but if I got you right, I should keep it like it's drafted, shouldn't I?
Links fixed. Yeah, now it's drafted correctly.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on March 26, 2017, 03:13:50 am
Ok, thanks. N-502a will be submitted soon. I won't add the unsigned N-Va in Talavera de la Reina.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on April 26, 2017, 03:22:55 pm
16 - N-II reappears in this roundabout (https://goo.gl/maps/oreY9UzxYhz) in a suburb of Barcelona called Martorell, continues through a industrial area and the Barcelonese conurbations of Sant Andreu de la Barca and Pallejà, to merge with the N-340 (https://goo.gl/maps/UUY9Zgp5EBQ2) before Can Ros. Here a sign in the opposite direction (https://goo.gl/maps/JrT3zDK9oVr) of the interchange.

16: NIIAnd

It's already signed west of Martorell from the A2 exit near the SEAT plant. And it's NIIa. The rest of the AP7 feeder seems to be unsigned.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2017, 06:56:15 pm
N1 routes

(Briviesca) - fine
(Aranda de Duero) - point needed at northern end of the bypass for GSJ
(Beasain) - should end at NC/PV border, end-on with A1?
(Boceguillas) - fine
(Buitrago del Lozoya) - fine
(Gumiel de Izán) - fine
(Lerma) - fine
(La Puebla de Arganzón) - fine
(Quintanilla de la Mata) - fine
(Robregordo) - fine
(Venturada) - fine
NIa - fine
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2017, 07:53:07 pm
N2 routes

NII (Fraga) - fine
NII (Arcos de Jalón) - fine
NII (Cervera) - fine
NII (Esteras de Medinaceli) - fine
NII (Figueres) - NIIa_FigX are surely N/S rather than E/W?
NII (Santa María de Huerta) - perhaps a point for SOP3002?
NII (Mataró) - fine
NII (La Muela) - fine
NII (Saúca) - fine
NII (Torremocha del Campo) - fine
NII (Zaragoza) - fine
NIIa (Calatayud) - fine
NIIa (La Almunia de Doña Godina) - fine
NIIa (San Andrés de la Barca) - fine
NIIa (Ariza) - fine
NIIa (Figueres) - NII_X should be N/S rather than E/W?
NIIa (Girona) - NII_X should be N/S rather than E/W?
NIIa (Igualada) - fine
NIIz (Montserrat Parc) - a point for the actual settlement of Montserrat Parc?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on June 29, 2017, 03:47:36 am
NIII (Minglanilla) - N330_E -> N330_N
NIII (Arganda del Rey) - fine
NIII (Buñol) - fine
NIII (Chiva) - fine
NIII (Montalbo) - fine
NIII (Tarancón) - fine
NIII (Villares del Saz) - fine
NIV (Las Cabezas de San Juan) - PalX -> Pal_X
NIV (Bailén) - fine
NIV (Córdoba) - fine
NIV (Dosbarrios) - fine
NIV (La Guardia) - fine
NIV (Jerez de la Frontera) - fine
NIV (El Puerto de Santa María) - fine
NIV (Villarta de San Juan) - fine
NIVa (La Carlota) - fine
NIVa (El Carpio)    - fine
NIVa (Santa Elena) - fine
NV (Almaraz) - XX95 -> CC95?
NV (Mérida) - fine
NV (Miajadas) - fine
NV (Navalmoral de la Mata) - fine
NV (Talavera la Real) - fine
NV (Trujillo) - fine
NVa (Valmojado) - fine
NVa (Lagartera) - fine
NVI (Lugo) - A6(333) -> LE6424 or EnlPra; A6(549) -> AC151/230
NVI (El Espinar) - fine
NVI (Rueda) - fine
NVI (Tordesillas) - fine
NVIa (Betanzos) - fine

fairly meaningless point - shouldn't these roads radiate from Madrid, rather than head south/east? NV and NVI's A5 and A6 exit numbers decrease as you head up the list. The system isn't a grid.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on June 29, 2017, 09:49:21 am
N102 - fine
N104 - fine
N110 - fine
N110a - fine
N111 ((Main)) - N111a_CarN/S -> shouldn't it be Gar?
N111 (Logroño) - fine
N111 (Viana) - fine
N111a (Piqueras) - is Piq necessary in the suffixes? N111_N and N111_S are surely sufficient and more elegant?
N111a (Garray) - ditto with Car (which should surely be Gar?)
N111a (Logroño) - fine
N111a (Soria) - fine
N113 - fine
N120 (Burgos) - GorW -> Gor_W; GorE -> Gor_E; add point for BU-30 exit 11
N120 (Ourense) - fine
N120a (Monforte de Lemos) - fine
N120a (Astorga) - fine
N120a (Santo Domingo de la Calzada) - fine
N121 - fine
N121a - fine
N121b - fine
N121c - fine
N122 (Soria) - QuiOW -> QuiO_W; QuiOE -> QuiO_E; QuiAW -> QuiA_W; QuiAE -> QuiA_E; LanW -> Lan_W; LanE -> Lan_E;
N122 (Zamora) - fine
N122a (La Cistérniga) - fine
N122a (San Martín del Pedroso) - fine
N123 - fine
N123a - fine
N124 - fine
N125 - fine
N126 - fine
N135 - fine
N141 - fine
N145 - fine
N150 - fine
N152 - fine
N154 - wrong border point (needs to meet FRA N20)
N156 - fine
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on June 29, 2017, 12:27:50 pm
Thanks for the review. I have not yet made my "internal" review... Of course, I'll do the modifications but I'm surprised that you've chosen these system for a review. I have many other system which are already ready for a peer-review.

I think the best review is adding another system and that's what would happen if we would add the tier 5 systems...

Is there any specific reason for your hurry, e.g. the region split action?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on June 29, 2017, 01:57:09 pm
Thanks for the review. I have not yet made my "internal" review... Of course, I'll do the modifications but I'm surprised that you've chosen these system for a review.
Well now you know the niggles I have, that internal review should be easier! I expect a very boring peer review when you are done -
 more so than this yawn fest of most routes being fine!  ;)
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I have many other system which are already ready for a peer-review.
True - what one would you like? Austria or Croatia? I'm going to leave off the tier-5 systems while there's tier-4. Especially as most of them aren't small (unlike nlds)
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I think the best review is adding another system and that's what would happen if we would add the tier 5 systems...
Indeed! It also means that deub is undergoing that review, so I'll hold off reviewing it for now.
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Is there any specific reason for your hurry, e.g. the region split action?
The region-split action sparked my interest, plus I started outlining espct with a view to make a good start on the various tier-5 systems this summer, given the call for them.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on June 29, 2017, 03:00:25 pm
I expect a very boring peer review when you are done - more so than this yawn fest of most routes being fine!  ;)

:)

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what one would you like? Austria or Croatia?

About 1/3 of swel is already done. Afterwards Croatia and Austria.

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It also means that deub is undergoing that review

Exactly :)
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on July 18, 2017, 01:49:57 pm
N1 routes

(Beasain) - should end at NC/PV border, end-on with A1?

Not sure what you mean. Maybe moving the end of A1 to NC/PV border too? If so, it's your region, your decision. Change it if you want.


btw: All espn modifications must be done twice, to espn and espnb wpt files because of the split action. Do you wanna review the entire espn system and active it before (or with) activating the region split? It's fine with me but if not, I'd prefer to make the review modifications afterwards when one only wpt file will exist. For now, I'll wait with further review modifications.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on July 19, 2017, 07:28:33 am
Not sure what you mean. Maybe moving the end of A1 to NC/PV border too?
The A1 already ends there - that's where the end of the file was and is.
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btw: All espn modifications must be done twice, to espn and espnb wpt files because of the split action. Do you wanna review the entire espn system and active it before (or with) activating the region split? It's fine with me but if not, I'd prefer to make the review modifications afterwards when one only wpt file will exist. For now, I'll wait with further review modifications.
I am planning to (DEU split readiness depending) do them at the same time. I'll note changes you make in espn and make them in espnb.
Title: Re: Spain
Post by: michih on July 29, 2017, 10:57:51 am
blue signed divided highways: espa - tier 1, Autopistas/Autovías maintained by the Red de Carreteras del Estado in most of the country (Central Spanish Government), that would mean leaving there ONLY the motorways starting with A- or AP- (and that doesn't include some autonomical motorways that use the A- as well, like the A-321) AND the urban motorways (the ones with prefixes for the city they're serving name), as they are also maintained by the central Spanish government.

blue/orange/green signed divided highways: eursf - tier 2, autonomical motorways, maintained by the diferent Autonomous Communities.
How do you tell apart a blue signed autonomous community motorway from a blue signed national motorway?

It's a lot more reasonable with red cartouches to keep it to just Ns and exclude the Cs, but with blue cartouches there's a wealth of prefixes for both your proposed systems, some of which overlap - how is the average traveller to know which system to look at to find the route?

As for freeway standards, the A660 in France has roundabouts and is partially single carriageway, several motorways in the UK are substandard, etc, etc. And to over-complicate things because of a very small amount of the kilometrage is just nonsense.

How do we wanna draft CA-36 in Cadiz?
It's indicated with blue CA-36 signs all the way between CA33 and CA35 but it's not a divided highway on the bridge and west of the bridge. The beginning of Autovia sign is east of the bridge.
OSM indicates CA36 from here to the east and N443 for the west section but I couldn't find any N443 sign on GSV (only on AP4 east of CA34). GM indicates CA36 all the way.
CA33 wp label is 'N443' (no evidence) and CA36 on CA35. In addition, CA32 wp with AP4 is called 'AP4/N443'?!?

Meanwhile, we've decided to split the country into regions and I thought a lot about how to draft Spanish routes when I was traveling Spain and Portugal earlier this year.

In addition to the issues mentioned above, I saw these problems:

My idea of how to categorize the routes:

Tier 1: A1-A91 inkl. AP routes but without (on the contrary to Pepe's suggestion (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=1951.msg5489#msg5489)) urban motorways which are also maintained by Spanish government

Tier 4: Nx as-is

Tier 5:
- Regional motorways (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Autopistas_y_autov%C3%ADas_de_Espa%C3%B1a#Autopistas.2C_autov.C3.ADas_y_carreteras_de_doble_calzada_auton.C3.B3micas)
- Urban motorways (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Autopistas_y_autov%C3%ADas_de_Espa%C3%B1a#Autopistas.2C_autov.C3.ADas_y_multicarril_en_entorno_urbano)
- Red Regional + Red (Inter)Comarcal / Red Regional o Primaria / Red de Primer Nivel / Red Primaria Básica + Red Primaria Complementaria / ... depending on the region (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_de_carreteras_de_Espa%C3%B1a)

Tier 2: Remaining freeways (or motorway-like roads with minimum partially 2 carriageways and median?) of all colors (orange, yellow, green,...)
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on July 29, 2017, 01:38:04 pm
I'll note changes you make in espn and make them in espnb.

I had to think about it and don't think that it's a good idea.

It's your region, I've drafted espn system, you review espn now and you'll maintain espn in the future.
I think it would be less time-consuming for both of us, if you directly modify the wpts for espn and espnb with your review.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on October 07, 2017, 01:20:42 pm
All espn modifications must be done twice, to espn and espnb wpt files because of the split action. Do you wanna review the entire espn system and active it before (or with) activating the region split? It's fine with me but if not, I'd prefer to make the review modifications afterwards when one only wpt file will exist. For now, I'll wait with further review modifications.

@Si: espnb is gone. Do you wanna proceed reviewing Spain? Should I modify the "split" espn files or do you wanna do it?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on October 11, 2017, 08:35:35 am
I'm just doing it. Just got the 3xx and 4xx routes left to do (though that's probably a majority of them).

One thing I've noticed is that there, like the Autovias Urbano, are urban routes that seem to be part of the national network, rather than managed by the autonomous communities. I don't want system proliferation so these ought to go into this system (at least for the time being).

I've looked at the Spanish Wikipedia listings for these Urban routes (on the list of Autopistas and Autovias), taken all routes with red cartouches on that list then checked GMSV to see whether they are signed as such. I have the following:
Title: Re: Spain
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on October 15, 2017, 02:22:15 pm
Sorry for the delay ^^b
My idea of how to categorize the routes:

Tier 1: A1-A91 inkl. AP routes but without (on the contrary to Pepe's suggestion (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=1951.msg5489#msg5489)) urban motorways which are also maintained by Spanish government

Tier 4: Nx as-is

Tier 5:
- Regional motorways (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Autopistas_y_autov%C3%ADas_de_Espa%C3%B1a#Autopistas.2C_autov.C3.ADas_y_carreteras_de_doble_calzada_auton.C3.B3micas)
- Urban motorways (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Autopistas_y_autov%C3%ADas_de_Espa%C3%B1a#Autopistas.2C_autov.C3.ADas_y_multicarril_en_entorno_urbano)
- Red Regional + Red (Inter)Comarcal / Red Regional o Primaria / Red de Primer Nivel / Red Primaria Básica + Red Primaria Complementaria / ... depending on the region (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_de_carreteras_de_Espa%C3%B1a)

Tier 2: Remaining freeways (or motorway-like roads with minimum partially 2 carriageways and median?) of all colors (orange, yellow, green,...)

I think that's even a better option than mine, I usually overcomplicate things, sorry hahahha
I'd only change two things:
I wouldn't do a specific category for regional motorways, as they are at the same time first class regional roads (the last category you said on Tier 5) and many times the same road is one part motorway and one other big part first class regular regional road (take Ma-19 for example, it begins as a motorway with 8 lane sections and at km 26 turns into a first class regional road (with standards similar to national roads) and runs like that until its end in km 60) so we would have the same road divided in sections on diferent categories.
I wouldn't do too the last tier 2 roads as different colors are only for some regional ones (some regions use different colors between state freeways and autonomic ones) so as regional motorways they should be taken as first class regional roads.

I'm just doing it. Just got the 3xx and 4xx routes left to do (though that's probably a majority of them).

One thing I've noticed is that there, like the Autovias Urbano, are urban routes that seem to be part of the national network, rather than managed by the autonomous communities. I don't want system proliferation so these ought to go into this system (at least for the time being).

I've looked at the Spanish Wikipedia listings for these Urban routes (on the list of Autopistas and Autovias), taken all routes with red cartouches on that list then checked GMSV to see whether they are signed as such. I have the following:
  • A79 in Alicante
  • AC-10, AC-11 (the bit signed red not blue) in La Coruna
  • BA-20 in Badajoz
  • CC-11 in Caceres
  • LU-11 in Lugo
  • OU-11 in Orense
  • SA-11 and SA-20 in Salamanca
  • SC-11 in Santiago Compostela
  • SG-20 in Segovia
  • VA-20 in Valladolid
Yeah, all urban roads listed there are managed by the Red de Carreteras del Estado except the ones in Balearic and Canary islands. One thing to note is that some of them aren't motorways or even part of them is motorway standard and the other one is regular road, so be cautious and look GSV before deciding.

If you need any info about out our so complex system, I'll be glad to help you.
Thank you very much, have a nice day!
Title: Re: Spain
Post by: michih on October 15, 2017, 03:05:07 pm
I wouldn't do a specific category for regional motorways, as they are at the same time first class regional roads (the last category you said on Tier 5)

I didn't suggest a different category. I just said that all these routes should be tier 5.

However, Si has started drafting Ma routes and put them into a new "espib" system. I guess it will be part of a tier 5 system but I'm not sure.

If you need any info about out our so complex system, I'll be glad to help you.

There is a discussion about Spanish road signage on SSC for many years... :)
Title: Re: Spain
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on October 15, 2017, 04:19:27 pm
I didn't suggest a different category. I just said that all these routes should be tier 5.

However, Si has started drafting Ma routes and put them into a new "espib" system. I guess it will be part of a tier 5 system but I'm not sure.

Sorry for misunderstanding then, if any help is needed to look after first class regional roads, here I am!

BTW, I saw that finally we have as regions autonomous communities of Spain, and that's fantastic. I don't know if its definitive, but I believe that state managed A-XX motorways and national roads should stay in Spain region as they go across all the country, and also the autonomus city enclave of Melilla is missing. As I said, if it's still a work in progress, sorry hahaha
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on October 16, 2017, 04:54:52 am
the autonomus city enclave of Melilla is missing.

It's in: ESP-ML;Melilla;ESP;AFR;Autonomous City

But there is no espn route or anything else in HB right now.
Title: Re: Spain
Post by: si404 on October 18, 2017, 06:14:08 pm
many times the same road is one part motorway and one other big part first class regular regional road (take Ma-19 for example, it begins as a motorway with 8 lane sections and at km 26 turns into a first class regional road (with standards similar to national roads) and runs like that until its end in km 60) so we would have the same road divided in sections on diferent categories.
Ma-19's motorway section uses different colour shields - is it one road, or not?

And if we do that with Majorca do with do it with Castille and Leon, which gives their motorways an A prefix as well.
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Yeah, all urban roads listed there are managed by the Red de Carreteras del Estado except the ones in Balearic and Canary islands. One thing to note is that some of them aren't motorways or even part of them is motorway standard and the other one is regular road, so be cautious and look GSV before deciding.
This was to add them to espn, not espa - their not being motorway (or rather not signed with blue cartouches) is the reason I listed them. They are in now.
Sorry for misunderstanding then, if any help is needed to look after first class regional roads, here I am!
Why can't they all do what La Rioja, Extramadura, etc do and use the number to say what tier they are at?

It also doesn't help that yellow and orange are close, especially when sun bleached and seen via not great Streetview images - like I found in the Balearics - is it just the two-digits that are the top tier, or is wikipedia right and various 4-digit roads are too?
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BTW, I saw that finally we have as regions autonomous communities of Spain, and that's fantastic. I don't know if its definitive, but I believe that state managed A-XX motorways and national roads should stay in Spain region as they go across all the country
It doesn't work like that.

But there is no espn route or anything else in HB right now.
Spanish Wikipedia suggested that they were urban routes of the national system rather than Autonomous City Roads, but I couldn't confirm either way (no GMSV). Also the Me-NADOR is a bizarre route number!
Title: Re: Spain
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on October 19, 2017, 02:13:35 pm
Ma-19's motorway section uses different colour shields - is it one road, or not?
It's the same road, but the color changes when it isn't motorway standard, don't trust in the red shields seen in Google Maps, in actual signage it's blue when motorway and orange when not, as the other first class autonomic roads from Mallorca.

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And if we do that with Majorca do with do it with Castille and Leon, which gives their motorways an A prefix as well.
Prefix changes so you could either treat (for example) CL-601 and A-601 as the same road or as different ones, do whatever you like but take in mind one is motorway and the other first class autonomic.

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Why can't they all do what La Rioja, Extramadura, etc do and use the number to say what tier they are at?
It also doesn't help that yellow and orange are close, especially when sun bleached and seen via not great Streetview images - like I found in the Balearics - is it just the two-digits that are the top tier, or is wikipedia right and various 4-digit roads are too?
Politics. Each community follows their own numbering practices and laws, so... ;D ;D ;D Looks (and it is) crazy, but as I said I understand more or less how it works on each community (and Spanish is my mother tongue so I can look up their laws or road inventories if needed) so I can help you understand this mess hahah
It seems that what you said from wikipedia is right, but anyway I'll post what the local government says:

First class (they name them "basic first class" on the papers, motorway standard parts or dual carriageway parts; if regular road, first class national road-like. Blue and orange): Ma-1, Ma-11, Ma-12, Ma-13, Ma-13A (parallel to the motorway, from before the motorway stretch was built, serves towns and villages), Ma-14, Ma-15, Ma-19, Ma-20, Ma-30 and Ma-1110 (this later one has some old signs as yellow, but current regulations say it is orange). They link important places or main areas of the island.

Second class (they name them "first class regular roads". Orange): Ma-1A, Ma-1B, Ma-1C (This ones are stretches of Ma-1 crossing towns and villages which have been diverted, like happens with national roads, a letter is added), Ma-19A (the same as Ma-13A, this one has sections as first class and sections as second) Ma-2200, Ma-2220, Ma-3010, Ma-3011, Ma-3018, Ma-3020, Ma-3030, Ma-3232, Ma-3240, Ma-3301, Ma-3320, Ma-3340, Ma-3410, Ma-3431, Ma-3440, Ma-3450, Ma-3500, Ma-4010, Ma-4020, Ma-4023, Ma-4030, Ma-4040, Ma-5013, Ma-5017, Ma-5030, Ma-5040, Ma-5110, Ma-5120, Ma-6014 (only one part) and Ma-6020. They link towns and main villages, it's not uncommon to see them signed in yellow, specially if the signs are old, but according to regulations they should be orange.
Rest of numbered ones is third class (they name them secondary roads), which are narrower roads signed in yellow, linking smaller towns and villages. This includes the Ma-10, although being two number and the longest in the network it is yellow both on signs and papers.
And finally, the fourth class, which is local roads on the papers and aren't numbered.

I believe that we should do first class roads only, as the second class ones are a lot so I think we should stick to the most important ones and are all contained on that category.

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It doesn't work like that.
And how does it work then? When you split a region you cannot have roads running all along it? I think having to treat them as different roads with their .list names according to the community is pretty unconvenient but maybe it's the only way, idk

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Spanish Wikipedia suggested that they were urban routes of the national system rather than Autonomous City Roads, but I couldn't confirm either way (no GMSV). Also the Me-NADOR is a bizarre route number!
I didn't explain myself very well. They are managed by Fomento, yeah, I called them autonomous city roads because in Melilla they have the ML prefix, for example there's ML-102, ML-105, ML-300... In Ceuta there's national roads only so no worries.

Have a nice day
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on January 03, 2018, 10:01:30 am
I've now mapped out all the top tier autonomous networks, save for Galicia, which I can't find a list (or rather 4 lists) for.

Given I reviewed michih's draft when I chopped the routes, and then did further review with the tier 5 systems, I'm going to activate espn unless I hear any objections.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on January 03, 2018, 11:29:20 am
Yes, I think espn can be activated, only some data errors must be checked (e.g. some SELFREFs).
I hope Pepe can find a reliable route list. What does "or rather 4 lists" mean?

btw: espib doesn't show up in the HB for any reason. I think Jim only commented out espcn yesterday....
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on January 03, 2018, 11:49:19 am
Yes, I think espn can be activated, only some data errors must be checked (e.g. some SELFREFs).
I shall check them.
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I hope Pepe can find a reliable route list. What does "or rather 4 lists" mean?
The roads are done by province (like the esppv system), rather than Autonomous Community.
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btw: espib doesn't show up in the HB for any reason. I think Jim only commented out espcn yesterday....
Indeed - there was an error with it, but it wasn't commented out. Anyway, I've fixed that error locally, so it will be fine tomorrow.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: Jim on January 03, 2018, 01:51:29 pm
btw: espib doesn't show up in the HB for any reason. I think Jim only commented out espcn yesterday....
Indeed - there was an error with it, but it wasn't commented out. Anyway, I've fixed that error locally, so it will be fine tomorrow.

I noticed the errors on that one later and forgot to commit/push the commented out version.  I'll just undo it in my local copy so it will be included in the next update.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: cinx on January 13, 2018, 04:47:26 pm
Will the Canary Islands have more entries? For example Lanzarote has some short stretches of Autovia (LZ-2, LZ-3) and main roads (LZ-1, LZ-2, LZ-3)...
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on January 14, 2018, 11:34:27 am
Will the Canary Islands have more entries? For example Lanzarote has some short stretches of Autovia (LZ-2, LZ-3) and main roads (LZ-1, LZ-2, LZ-3)...
You mean
http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?units=km&u=&r=espcn.lz001
http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?units=km&u=&r=espcn.lz002
http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?units=km&u=&r=espcn.lz003 ?

All there already:
http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?units=km&u=&sys=null&rg=ESP-CN

They are in the autonomous community system, are you saying they should be in other ones?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: cinx on January 15, 2018, 04:51:22 pm
^^Hm, sorry about that. Somehow I didn't find them...
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on November 02, 2018, 02:58:47 pm
Is espct by accident the only (European) tier 5 system drawn in red? Almost all other tier 5 systems are yellow (or brown).
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: yakra on November 03, 2018, 02:00:23 am
espvc.n344 and espcm.n344 both contain the roadway from A35 to A31.
Looks like this should be in ESP-VC only.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on January 26, 2019, 08:59:15 am
I've now mapped out all the top tier autonomous networks, save for Galicia, which I can't find a list (or rather 4 lists) for.

This (https://infraestruturasemobilidade.xunta.gal/seccion-organizacion/c/Axencia_Galega_de_Infraestruturas?content=Direccion_Xeral_Infraestruturas/Estradas/seccion.html)? Numbered by province, but operated by the community (https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=156066750&postcount=8779)

I think there are two options:
- Draft the routes of the 4 lists
- Don't draft any tier 5 provincial system for Galicia
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: peperodriguez2710 on March 29, 2019, 01:13:13 pm
Yes, I think espn can be activated, only some data errors must be checked (e.g. some SELFREFs).
I hope Pepe can find a reliable route list. What does "or rather 4 lists" mean?

btw: espib doesn't show up in the HB for any reason. I think Jim only commented out espcn yesterday....
Sorry for not checking in! Galicia has the weirdest road numbering system in the country hahah

At first, autonomus community-managed motorways use the [AG-XX] prefix in their shields, with blue.
Most roads are managed by the community but change names when entering another province of the same community  :pan:
Here's a great example of this (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/43.0358/-7.9326), in A Coruña AC-934, in Lugo LU-934.
ALSO there's a number of roads which are considered very important for the whole region so they also change names but in ONE of the NUMBERS!. These are the Vías de Altas Prestaciones (VG) and the Corredores (CG), which are one lane roads but with high specs, some of them higher than national roads, like without at grade intersections, wider turns, etc.; don't know if you've heard the denomination but in other countries they call them "super twos".
These ones feature the weirdest numbering system in the place with the weirdest numbering practices in all the country: they are signed in green and follow the format [VG-X.X] for Vías de Altas Prestaciones and the format [CG-X.X] for Corredores.
First number, before the dot, states the province where the road is, and is the one which changes. The denomination is 1 for A Coruña, 2 for Lugo, 3 for Ourense and 4 for Pontevedra. The other one doesn't change.
By now, the only road I found that does this change, the CG-1.3/CG-2.3, is still under construcion so there's still no stretch in the border, where the number changes. Maybe there's more roads which do the change, I haven't checked it thoroughly.
It is also common to see Corredores turn into Vías de Alta Capacidad and viceversa, so I would treat them as separate roads according to their numbering.
Provincial roads also exist but are signed in a different way and they aren't important enough to be in the project.

These weird numbering explains why the roads are listed in separate lists for provinces.

The ones I would include, then, would be the ones listed in those four lists as from the Primary Network (National road-like), which are theorically signed in orange and are the ones identified in the documents with the PB and PC categories in the Rede parameter. These are part of the ones which change prefix between provinces. Finally, I would also include the ones listed as "high capacity" (with the VAG category in the Rede parameter of those lists), which are the autonomous community motorways (signed in blue) and the Corredores and VAP's signed in green and with the "super two" standard mentioned.

Hope I explained myself well. If you have any question, here I am!

Good job with the rest of the network, it's amazing to see all those roads here! Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: si404 on March 29, 2019, 04:17:29 pm
Thanks, Galicia is my to do list. I am to have it done before all the other Spanish systems are activated.

Speaking of that, Catalonia's tier-5 roads are ready for review.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
Post by: michih on April 20, 2019, 02:38:28 am
Speaking of that, Catalonia's tier-5 roads are ready for review.

I'll review Catalonia once I've done Poland.

Should I post it here or one thread per region? I think the systems are small and one thread for all should be fine.
Title: Catalonia Xarxa Básica (espct)
Post by: michih on April 21, 2019, 12:36:19 pm
I had a look at Catalonia.

First, before reporting too much BS, what's your source for the routes?

For instance:
Why is C-352 Granollers beltway missing?
Why is C260 Figueres - Roses missing?
Why is C152 near Olot missing?

Only routes signed red or blue?


C14x:
Exit "9" of concurrent T11 missing


T11:
Should be extended from A27 to N340


C12:
CarTos -> CamiTos
CamCom -> CamiFig
+X345733 is off
+X526033 is off
T731/T714/C12B: Really wp at the roundabout? Shouldn't it be on the main carriageway? General issue I'd like to have clarified before checking the other routes!
GSJ west of T731, CarEbre
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.932312&lon=0.484841 ("N230b" but with green signs, not an espn route)
Title: Re: Catalonia Xarxa Básica (espct)
Post by: si404 on April 22, 2019, 01:56:13 pm
First, before reporting too much BS, what's your source for the routes?
Spanish and Catalan language wikipedia, google maps sign colours. Three digit roads are green-signed, two digit are red/blue signed, which works out well!
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Only routes signed red or blue?
Yep.

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T731/T714/C12B: Really wp at the roundabout? Shouldn't it be on the main carriageway? General issue I'd like to have clarified before checking the other routes!
I treated these as roundabouts with filters, but looking at the layout in streetview, it seems that they are very much T-junctions with a roundabout right next to the main road. Changed.
Title: Re: Catalonia Xarxa Básica (espct)
Post by: michih on April 28, 2019, 04:39:53 am
C12bal:
C12F is off
Routed via newly opened Balaguer bypass now


C13x:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.706033&lon=0.757713
LV9047 is off
+X753883 is off
+X969196 is off
+X854334 is off
+X961726 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.786465&lon=0.827901


C14x:
TP2335 is off
C14z is off (concurrent C26x too)
C1412b is off (concurrent C26x too)
+X240260 is off
L401 is not indicated on OSM nor GM


C15x:
ValAno -> CarPiusXII ?
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.397982&lon=1.707425
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.315885&lon=1.724440 ?


C16x:
B40 is off
C1411a_A is not indicated on GM nor GSV (Oct 2018), OSM indicates C149b (concurrent C26 too)
C1411a_B is C1411z on OSM/GM, no sign on GSV (Oct 2018)
C1411a_C is C1411z on OSM/GM
C1411a_D -> C1411a


C17x:
GSJ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.476769&lon=2.185217
AveMJC -> AviMJC
CarJoaMiro source? I would move the wpt to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.494891&lon=2.184675
CarBarPui -> N152z
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.506113&lon=2.198220
CarFWS source? Nothing on OSM nor GM
C155_W -> C155
C155_E -> C352 according to GSV/GM (and further to the east on OSM too) or N152z according to GSV mileposts/OSM
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.596412&lon=2.263693
C352 -> C352_N ?
CarQue -> N152z
GSJ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.717626&lon=2.272872
85 and 87 wps are positioned on the northbound carriageway but should be moved b/n the carriageways


C25x:
131 is off
189 is missing (replace +X256637)
195 is not an exit and should be removed
217 should be moved to the underpass


C26:
L903 is off
CarSanAnt -> CarSantAnt
Replace LV4241 by more important wp at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.994951&lon=1.519933
CarCasAre is off
BP4654 is off


C26fig:
Exceeds limits b/n N260 and AP7


C28:
CarBag -> CarEst
Title: Re: Catalonia Xarxa Básica (espct)
Post by: michih on May 01, 2019, 05:35:34 am
C12bal:
AvePaiCat -> AviPaiCat


C31vil:
C246a_CarN is off


C31pal(x):
GSJ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.905263&lon=3.146601
Move GI632 to the center of the roundabout
GIV6215 is off
It's the longest C31 route, should be renamed to C31(x)


C31(x):
AvMer -> AviMer
It's not the longest C31 route, should be renamed to C31bad(x)


C33(x):
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.443591&lon=2.186607


C35(x):
AveArb -> AviArb
B510 is off
GSJ at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.733475&lon=2.603797


C35mon:
Extend at west end to the roundabout ?
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.568382&lon=2.251076 ?
CamiCanRiba source? Cannot find it... Just CanRiba or CanRibaSer for the location? wp is also a little bit off


C37:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.276629&lon=1.239599
CamiVellMon --> CarMon
+X704903 is off
+X876964 is off
CarDucs is off
Can -> CamiNouCan
Cal is off
Sal -> BV1101


C37tor:
SantAndVola -> BV5224


C42:
FontQui -> CarRibEbre


C44:
T318 is off
TV3031 is not a GSJ, no access at wp


C51:
T240 is off


C53:
LV3028 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.782689&lon=0.837450
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.659531&lon=1.084031 (limits are also currently exceeded)


C55:
B113_E is off
ElsCom --> AviCom
CarPau -> CarCol or better -> BV4501
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.778085&lon=1.790460
+X291859 is off
+X789934 is off
C1410z_CorZ -> C1410z_CorE


C58(x):
CarPinGre should be moved to the overpass at AviBar
BV1212 is off


C59:
RonFar -> N152z (or AviBur)
Ave11Set -> AviOnzeSet
B140 should be moved to the northern underpass (there's also a ramp for southbound c/w)
BP1432 is off


C62:
BV4005 is off
+X401289 is off


C63:
GIV5514 is off
C253 is off
Replace GI542 by more important N141e at the roundabout
AviFar is off
CarSanPau is off


C65(x):
Lla_E -> C65z_E (or CarCam)
Lla_N -> C65z_N


C66:
BisEmp_S -> Car6Oct
BisEmp_S -> CarAig
C255Z is off
GIV6701 is off
GIV6708 is off
GSJ at  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.026296&lon=2.842482
Ban_E -> CarBoiJus
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on May 01, 2019, 11:46:05 am
I'll start the second round when the latest pull request will be merged in and live on the site.
I'll be traveling soon but I think that I can make another review before if it's a small system. Andalusia next?
Title: Re: Catalonia Xarxa Básica (espct)
Post by: michih on May 01, 2019, 02:47:33 pm
C14(x):
N240a is not signed, not in HB. N240 wp name just east of it is "Mon_S". Rename too?


C15(x):
C33 -> NIIa because it's a route of a "higher" (tier 4) system?


C17(x):
C58 -> C33/C58


C31B:
N340a -> N340


C33:
C58 ->    C17/C58


C42:
N235 -> N235_S


C51:
If you don't agree with my C15 suggestion, N240 needs to be renamed to C37


C58(x):
Same story: B10/B20 -> C58 ?


espct review done!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on May 01, 2019, 03:21:01 pm
Andalusia next?
Small system, pretty much all also part of eursf (until the system is activated - cf what I've done with espct). Should hopefully be very easy.

espct is activated in tonight's update: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2800
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on May 02, 2019, 12:21:01 pm
espct is activated in tonight's update: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2800

updates.csv: espct.c013pra -> espct.c031pra :)
Title: Re: Andalusia
Post by: michih on May 04, 2019, 08:11:23 am
Andalusia... is kinda problem child - even for Spanish affairs, see upthread...

@Si: Can we agree that the following routes (their freeway segments) should be added to eursf system or do you have other plans for them, e.g. a potential tier 6 system?

Green signs but freeway according to OSM:
A-334
A-383
A-357
A-376
A-382
A-480
A-483
A-491
A-497
A-1051
A-3050

Yellow but freeway according to OSM:
A-7056
A-8009

blue but one carriageway only:
CA-36 ?
Title: Re: Andalusia
Post by: si404 on May 04, 2019, 11:12:00 am
Green signs but freeway according to OSM:
A-334
A-383
A-357
A-376
A-382
A-480
A-483
A-491
A-497
A-1051
A-3050

Yellow but freeway according to OSM:
A-7056
A-8009
I can add them to eursf.
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blue but one carriageway only:
CA-36 ?
Is that not there? IIRC, it's not because its not signed.
Title: Re: Andalusia
Post by: michih on May 04, 2019, 12:06:53 pm
Green signs but freeway according to OSM:blue but one carriageway only:
CA-36 ?
Is that not there? IIRC, it's not because its not signed.

It is signed according to GSV:
- https://www.google.com/maps/@36.5230472,-6.2226345,3a,15y,242.96h,104.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smHJCndYg1JF95QbykUMFHA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
- https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4949256,-6.2660913,3a,15y,132.29h,75.57t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sNNy9vZ0AoJg-534yf5jlHw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36
Title: Re: Andalusia
Post by: michih on May 05, 2019, 03:11:34 am
CA-36 end point should be renamed from N443 to CA33. CA33 is indicated on OSM, GM and GSV. N443 is only indicated on GM, and it's not in HB.
Title: Re: Andalusia
Post by: michih on May 05, 2019, 03:14:41 pm
A92G:
CamJau is off
CtraAta -> CalSal or CalLeg
AvHis -> AveHis
GR3310 -> GR3304, confirmed by OSM, GM and GSV


A92N:
+x01 should be a visible wp
about one out of two wps are a little bit off
Move AN/MC to the border


A92:
1 is off
2 is off
4 is off
Move 135 to the underpass to the west
exit 200 missing
exit 235 does not exist anymore but a new GSJ will be opened a bit to the east for A44 Granada bypass in 2020 (or later), I guess that will get 235 as the next exit is 236, I would move the wp to the future junction
Remove exit 293, it is concurrent to exit 292, just the same situation we have at all numbered routes based on km posts


A316
A301/A401 -> A401 but
A301/A401 - ToA32 segment is indicated A316G on OSM and GM shows it and(!) the branch to A32 being A316 (w/o G), should route begin at A32 exit 31?
Bae -> 10 (GSV)
Bej -> 15 (GSV)
21 -> 20 (GSV, both directions)
Exceeds limits b/n 40 and 44
44 is not an exit


A318:
SE757 -> SE9203 (OSM, GM, GSV)
CV55 is indicated on GM but OSM and GSV show CO6222


Red Basica also includes some (green) routes (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_Andaluc%C3%ADa#Red_B%C3%A1sica). I guess we don't wanna include them for rassist reasons? ;)



eursf:


A480:
Source for exit number 4?


A491:
27 is not concurrent to NVI wp (n004pue)


A1051:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.815813&lon=-2.599297
1 is not concurrent to N340a wp


A491:
Extend at west end to A2079?


A7056:
Should be added as it is fully freeway including "Autovia" signs
It's branching off A357

Leaving out A3050 and A8009 is fine to me.


MA20:
7 meets A357 wp but there's another wp 9 very close to it which needs to be removed



Andalusian Round 1 done!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on May 15, 2019, 02:13:13 pm
@Si, if you can check my Andalusian review suggestions "soon", I could make round 2 on Friday. If not, I'm not sure when I'll have time. I guess late June at the latest...
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on May 15, 2019, 03:00:25 pm
Whoops, I thought I'd done it - it'll be in the browser in the Thursday update (whether I do it tonight or tomorrow - I'm currently drafting some Kiwi tourist routes for my own amusement, and have turd review round 1 to complete).
Title: Re: Andalusia
Post by: si404 on May 16, 2019, 01:15:35 pm
Red Basica also includes some (green) routes (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_Andaluc%C3%ADa#Red_B%C3%A1sica). I guess we don't wanna include them for rassist reasons? ;)
How do you tell the difference between the A301 (Red Básica de Articulación) with green cartouches, A302 (Red Intercomarcal) with green cartouches, and A316R1 (Red Complementaria Metropolitana Jaén) with green cartouches.
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ToA32 segment is indicated A316G on OSM and GM shows it and(!) the branch to A32 being A316 (w/o G), should route begin at A32 exit 31?
Signed as A32/N322 northbound, and A316R1 southbound. Not including.
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A491:
Extend at west end to A2079?
Why pick this one, and not the various others where I've not carried on beyond the autovia section? If it's not noteworthy on the A357, A382, A383, A480, etc it should likewise be obvious on the A491?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on May 17, 2019, 08:25:33 am
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A491:
Extend at west end to A2079?
Why pick this one, and not the various others where I've not carried on beyond the autovia section? If it's not noteworthy on the A357, A382, A383, A480, etc it should likewise be obvious on the A491?

OSM indicates most of the segment up to the next junction magenta (is it magenta?) only for A491.
And I forgot A334 might be extended extended too.

A92G:
N432 -> N432_N or _W

A92M:
A45 -> A92 or 0


MA20 issues  7 / 9 is still open


AN review done.
Title: Balearic Islands Red Primaria (espib)
Post by: michih on June 19, 2019, 03:10:14 pm
The system is such a mess... Not the 'TM espib system' but Red Primaria and how it's signed in field and indicated on maps...
If I got it right, you've included all Majorcan Red Primaria routes which are signed blue or orange according to GSV (not GM). You've omitted routes which are signed yellow.


EI20:
CalBeg -> CarBeg
EI900 source? Not indicated on OSM, GM nor GSV


EI200:
Route is PM810 according to OSM, GM and 2016 GSV
November 2018 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9735097,1.461899,3a,75y,57.14h,95.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stDx_jmSKG_hPsGI7hMfCcw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) shows orange EI200 but also orange EI300 extended to the north which should be E10 according to GM and C733 to OSM!


EI300:
PM804 is confimred by OSM and GM but it is signed being orange EI400 (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.955795,1.4460924,3a,15y,251.53h,82.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sxvqxfH19Z3eJBEGj_dkRbg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i36) on Nov 2018 GSV.


EI600:
SanRaf_E -> SantRaf_E
SanRaf_W -> SantRaf_W


Ma1x:
Some wps are off, especially 13, Ma1A, Ma1022


Ma13a:
Ma30 is off
CarGenLuq -> Ma13(25)
Ma13(37) is off - should be at the other roundabout


Ma13x:
8 -> 7 according to OSM, GM and Nov 2018 GSV
9 -> 8 according to OSM, GM and Sep 2017 GSV


Ma15x:
Ma15B/4040 -> Ma4040 sincd Ma15B is not indicated on OSM, GM nor GSV
CalNord -> CarNord


Ma19x:
OSM, GM and GSV indicate that it's extended to the west. I guess by 1km in addition (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5646458,2.6561942,3a,15y,263.78h,85.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sANnfM7lzhpZ-c0jqvg1z-g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
AvGavVil -> AvGabVil
Exit 4 missing (GSJ)
22 is off
Ma6100 -> CarPal or RonCasCan
Ma15D is just an overpass, delete



NMPs can be marked FP.



espib review done!
Title: Valencian Community Red Básica (espvc)
Post by: michih on June 20, 2019, 08:04:39 am
CV10x:
20 -> 18
26 -> 21
28 -> 23
26 missing
33 -> 28
35 -> 30
38 -> 33
39 -> 35
40 -> 38
CV1331 is off


CV13:
44 is unnumered according to Dec 2018 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1969916,0.057352,3a,75y,258.31h,84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqyxwgxE2Dr6zse7-zvz5qw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) or here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1986708,0.0657361,3a,75y,267.8h,93.36t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLsKBbKXHtPU0JrUp_RLc1w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). OSM does not indicate any numbering too. Rename to ToCV10.
Same for 45. Should be renamed to anything like "aeroport"


CV15:
Exceeds limits b/n CV12 and CV1260
CV166_N is off
CV165 is off
CV157 is off


CV16:
CamiFra -> CamFra


CV20:
CV198 is off
+X303984 is off
CV194 is off
+X426529 is off
+X404227 is off
CV223 is off
Route ends at the motorway bridge, see km0 post (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9448674,-0.1313202,3a,15y,319.5h,84.14t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1s5SWCpv70ON8TqF3G_h1krg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36). It's also confirmed by OSM.
New wps for the Onda "bypass":
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.970493&lon=-0.265174
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.964326&lon=-0.245991


CV21:
CV16 -> CV20
CV20 -> CV16
New wp for Onda "bypass": http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.968503&lon=-0.249145


CV25:
SantVin -> SantVic


CV30x:
AvMaeRod -> AvMesRod
CanVieVal -> CamVieVal
The the segment east of CanVieVal really be included. CV30 starts here (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.502896,-0.3945904,3a,15y,314.9h,95.46t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sO05PfnyB-8x_zpv0EO-DAA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36)


CV33x:
Car14 source? CarMar?
CV4006 source? Cami Real de Madrid ? :)


CV35x:
+X960767 is off


CV35x:
AvTresCru -> AvTresCre but it needs to be deleted since km0 is at V30 wp (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4532616,-0.4084745,3a,15y,244.52h,88.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDvaLimIEnSNQa5FR5_HUHA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (also indicated this way on OSM and GM)
AvFai source -> CV407
Ala -> 4


CV37:
AerVal --> V11
According to GSV it was CP6116 in 2008 but CV370 since 2012. wikipedia (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/CV-37) confirms that but indicates that it's CV37 now. GSV (even March 2019) still shows it being signed CV370. I would leave it as-is in HB.



CV42:
GSJ just south of AP7
CV520 is off


CV50:
km0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0783231,-0.2437958,3a,75y,275.31h,87.05t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1siBnMvIrLZFK2JhPYA3yJuQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36) is at the AP7 bridge. It's fine to me that it's extended to N332_S but not the next N332 exit.
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.199103&lon=-0.504577 (access to northern and southern A7 i/c
+X605487 is off
CV435 is off
+X407897 is pff
CV415 should to be moved to the overpass of the GSJ


CV60:
Keep labels simple, e.g. CV620/640 -> CV620 or add both to all labels, e.g. CV611 -> CV611/622 (I think that the labels of the other routes are usually kept "simple")
CalJau1 -> CarJau1


CV70:
CV770 is off
+X875538 is off
+X301176 is off
CV757 is off


CV80x:
10 is off


CV81:
CV807 is off


CV83:
AviMed -> AveMed
Pin_E -> CalElda
Pin_W -> CalCarJum


CV86:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.279182&lon=-0.718338 to match N340 wp
CV852 -> CalSevOch, CV852 ends at N340
N340 -> A79


CV:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.089597&lon=-0.849187


CV95:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.972735&lon=-0.751104
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.000377&lon=-0.809298
CV945 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.026298&lon=-0.837852


V15 / V30 / CV500:
The 'blue' V15 should be added to espa and its southern yellow extension CV500 should be added to eursf system. Or to Red Basica since it's indicated being one here (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_la_Comunidad_Valenciana#Red_Auton%C3%B3mica)?
V30 should be extened at east end



A3/N3/E901 NMP at A3 exit 311 can be synced because the concurrency is broken anyway.
The other NMPs can be marked FP.



espvc review done!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on June 20, 2019, 08:34:22 am
General issue in Spain:
There are different names for Avenues: Avenida and Avinguda. Do we generally wanna Av, or Ave and Avi? It's currently mixed:
Ave is used 278 x
Avi is used 65 x
Av is used 41 x

I think that Av might be the one to be eliminated.


ESP-AN\espa\espan.al012.wpt (Avenida)
1: AvMareNos http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.841061&lon=-2.432313
ESP-AN\espa\espan.ca032.wpt (Avenida)
1: AvMar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.578463&lon=-6.213187
ESP-AN\espa\espan.h031.wpt (Avenida)
4: AvAnd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.273003&lon=-6.928017
ESP-AN\espa\espan.se030.wpt (Avenida)
19: AvJoseMer http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.413272&lon=-5.988386
20: AvAlcMan http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.415965&lon=-5.974267
ESP-AN\espan\espan.a092g.wpt (Avenida)
5: AvHis http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.192394&lon=-3.708873
ESP-AN\espn\espan.n340chi.wpt (seems to be out-dated!)
20: AvAmaRio http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.023210&lon=-5.597148
ESP-AN\eure\espan.e5.wpt (seems to be out-dated!)
173: AvAmaRio http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.023210&lon=-5.597148

ESP-AR\espn\espar.n330jac.wpt (Avenida)
3: AvFra_N http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.682838&lon=-0.533695
ESP-AR\eure\espar.e7.wpt (Avenida)
3: AvFra_N http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.682838&lon=-0.533695

ESP-CM\espa\espcm.a040.wpt (Avenida)
43: AvSanJul http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.075346&lon=-2.149361
ESP-CM\espa\espcm.pt010.wpt (seems to be out-dated!)
3: Av8Mar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.709441&lon=-4.106462

ESP-CN\espcn\espcn.fv001x.wpt (Avenida)
9: AvoFue http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.729526&lon=-13.874896
ESP-CN\espcn\espcn.gc001x.wpt (Avenida)
3: AvJoseMesa http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.134839&lon=-15.429096
5: AvJuan23 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.120893&lon=-15.423625
ESP-CN\espcn\espcn.tf005x.wpt (Avenida)
2: AvRetCat http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.457128&lon=-16.264830

ESP-CT\espa\espct.b040.wpt (Avinguda)
3: AvLac http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.584762&lon=2.009940
ESP-CT\espa\espct.ll011.wpt (Avinguda)
7: AvGar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.608576&lon=0.634847
ESP-CT\espn\espct.n152.wpt (Avinguda)
3: AvCat http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.427036&lon=1.928025
ESP-CT\espn\espct.n240.wpt (Avinguda)
13: AvGar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.608576&lon=0.634847
ESP-CT\eure\espct.e9.wpt (Avinguda)
3: AvCat http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.427036&lon=1.928025

ESP-GA\espa\espga.ac012.wpt (it's the name of the route itself!)
5: AvPas http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.337555&lon=-8.389091
ESP-GA\espa\espga.fe011.wpt (Avenida)
3: AvMar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.493514&lon=-8.186896
ESP-GA\espa\espga.sc020.wpt (Avenida)
8: AvLugo http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.877969&lon=-8.533437
13: AvXoseVal http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.863670&lon=-8.567528

ESP-IB\espib\espib.ma019x.wpt (Avinguda), and Gab instead of Gav
1: AvGavVil http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.564452&lon=2.656524

ESP-MC\espmc\espmc.rm019x.wpt (indicated "Av." on GM only!)
3: AvBal http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.807597&lon=-0.862899

ESP-MD\espa\espmd.m013.wpt (it's the name of the route itself!)
4: AvHis http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.474473&lon=-3.574312
ESP-MD\espa\espmd.m021.wpt (Avenida but at the i/c it's Camino de Rejas)
4: AvCan http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.442464&lon=-3.541363
ESP-MD\espa\espmd.m030.wpt (Avenida)
31: AvVenCon http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.480259&lon=-3.712842
ESP-MD\espa\espmd.m040.wpt (Avenida)
41: AvCamSan http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.512168&lon=-3.665721

ESP-NC\espa\espnc.pa030.wpt (Avenida)
10: AvEgu http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.821949&lon=-1.583598
19: AvNav http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.825026&lon=-1.670115
ESP-NC\espa\espnc.pa031.wpt (Avenida)
1: AvZar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.795164&lon=-1.641212

ESP-PV\esppv\esppv.bi631x.wpt (it's Avril auzoa!?)
9: MonAvrBid http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.264749&lon=-2.907338

ESP-VC\espa\espvc.cs022.wpt (Avenida)
3: AvVal http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.967582&lon=-0.059996
ESP-VC\espa\espvc.v023.wpt (Avinguda)
7: AvHorAlt http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.652516&lon=-0.221647
ESP-VC\espa\espvc.v031.wpt (Avinguda)
12: AvPiaCar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.446119&lon=-0.368943
ESP-VC\espvc\espvc.cv030x.wpt (Avinguda)
3: AvMaeRod http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.496093&lon=-0.410571
ESP-VC\espvc\espvc.cv031x.wpt (Avinguda)
3: AvFer http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.501665&lon=-0.430452
ESP-VC\espvc\espvc.cv036x.wpt (Avinguda)
1: AvTresCru http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.458065&lon=-0.402396
Title: La Rioja Red Regional Básica
Post by: michih on June 21, 2019, 03:00:42 pm
LR111:
LR415 is off
LR308/504 and other labels: simplicity or not? Also other routes
LR202 is off
N126/N232a --> N232a


LR113:
Exceeds limits b/n LR435 and CalNue
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.406708&lon=-2.731047 to match LR136 wp LR429

LR115:
What's the route b/n N232_W and N232_E? I guess it's not concurrent to N232, is it? Nevertheless, N232 needs a corresponding wp to LR115's 'LR586'
LR282 is off


LR123:
LR387 is off
LR283_N is off
LR134 is off


LR124:
LR319 is off


LR131Cam:
GM and GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4182142,-2.1176286,3a,15y,312.13h,83.6t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1swBuBivAENOcZr1uG7F6UJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36) have it as NA-134 althouth it's not in Navarra. OSM indicates RI-134. But wikipedia is indicating it being LR131 and it's confirmed by the official 2010 list -> seems to be OK. However, I think that it's maintained by Navarra and we could also add it to espnc but located in ESP-RI like German B258 in Belgium or German B317 in Switzerland :8


LR134:
LR123 is off, see LR123
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.311339&lon=-1.977947
AveEbro is off (it's currently at the underpass)
AveEbro is indicated as Carretera de San Adrian on OSM


LR137:
LR541_S is off


N111:
I remember that I've fighted to find anything that N111 b/n Logrono and Viana but I don't remember why I didn't add it to HB back then. OSM, GM, GSV and wikipedia confirm that it's N111. Should be added to espn!


No NMPs.


espri review done!
Title: Basque Country Oinarrizko Sarea
Post by: michih on June 22, 2019, 12:59:39 pm
General issue/question for Basque Country about Ara/Biz, Ara/Gip and Gip/Biz wp labels:
These are the borders of the three provinces in Basque Country: Álava, Biscay and Gipuzkoa. We could ignore it for TM purpose but the road names change here from A to BI or GI.
Since these are not TM relevant borders (which should be labeled ARA/BIZ rathar than Ara/Biz et cetera), we could also just take the name of the other route. For instance, A623 wp Ara/Biz could be renamed to BI623.

There is kind of precedence in Baden-Württemberg (DEU-BW). There are four provinces and deudwl route names do sometimes change there, e.g. L1361 becomes L361 @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.532607&lon=8.760653
Same prefix but different numbering in BW but different prefix and same numbering in PV.
Ok, I've drafted and reviewed it myself, no peer-review. However, I'd prefer this policy here too.



A124:
A4202 -> A3218 (or A3218/A4202)
A3210 -> A3210/A3216 (?) but I would keep it simple
A2124 -> A2124/A3212 (?) but I would keep it simple



A126:
A3136 is off
A3130 is off


A132:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.673822&lon=-2.345855
A2130 -> A2130/A4118 (?)
A3106 -> A4159 (OSM, GM, GSV)
+X813557 is off
A4122 is off
A4124 is off
+X507436 is off


A624:
AP68 is off
A2522 -> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.019584&lon=-2.914153 ?
A4602 is just an underpass
A4620 is off


A625:
Biz/Ara is off

A627:
I think A3002 wp should be at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.962217&lon=-2.590070


BI604:
EneEto -> IbaKal since EneEto is the route itself
TunCarBer -> CarBerKal
However, does it really end here? km4 is just north of the roundabout and the tunnel is indicated being GI604 on OSM. I couldn't find any km post in or south of the tunnel though.


BI623:
+X109369 is off
BI4336 should be moved to the center of the roundabout
ArrKal should be moved to the center of the roundabout
BI4331 is off


BI625:
Biz/Ara is off, see A625
AP68(2) is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.247219&lon=-2.889045
BI2521 -> BI2521/3931
BI2625 -> BI2625/4906

A8 -> AP8


BI628:
AveNav -> CalNav
10 is 14 according to GSV
11 is not indicated anywhere except of OSM which is also wrong about 10; 11 -> A8/AP8 ?

BI628Aba:
According to OSM, the end point is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.316080&lon=-3.066693 ; GM does not indicate it
A8/N644 might need a corresponding wp on the motorway but I think that in total A8/N644 and A8 wps might be merged and we could consider the whole interchange as one. Or one wp for the motorways where it is right now and just one wp at BI628 (A8/N644 and remove A8) :D
If so, A8/N644 might be renamed to A8 only


BI630:
CB/PV is off
BI2701 is off
CalArr -> CalTor or TorKal


BI630Amb:
BI4675 is off
BI4671 is off


BI631x:
ArbZer -> ArbZeh
BI4735 -> BI3750 (or BI3750/4735)
LauBid -> LarBid
+X817310 is off
+X493885 is off
+X741064 is off
BI4207 is off
+X179552 is off
BI2235_W should be in the center of the roundabout
+X981472 is off
BI2235_E is off
AP8 -> A8/AP8?


BI633:
LeaMar is off
BI2301 is off


BI634:
BI2704_N/_S should both be moved to the center of the roundabout
BI3105_W is off
BI3111 is off
BI3105_E is off


BI635:
N240 is off


BI636 / BI636x:
Concurrency broken b/n BI3651 and BI3602, not sure whether it needs to be fixed
AubBarAuz source? OSM and GM indicate nothing, GSV shows "institutua / instituto"


BI637 / BI637x:
AmaEto source? GobKal (or AveAsua)
ErrKal source? BI2731 or AveEle
BI637 misses BI637x wps ErrKal and CalKan(GSJ), not sure whether it needs to be fixed
11 source? I think it's only signed on and for N637


GI20x:
AP1/AP8_E -> AP1/8
5 -> 5a
6 -> 5b
8 is signed being 8 westbound but 10 eastbound; I would change the label to 10 so that it will be b/n 9 and 12
9 -> 12
10 -> 13
AP1/AP8_W -> AP1/8_W


GI40:
OtzPas -> OtxPas
UbaBib -> UbaBid


GI41:
LopErrPas -> LoiErrPas


GI627:
OsiAuzBar -> OsiAuzDis
SerAtx -> SerAtxKal
GI632_W -> N636
GI632_E -> A636
N630 -> N634


GI631:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.177368&lon=-2.262003
GI4271 is off
GI4271 -> GI3272
+X327964 is off
+X124239 is off
GI3803 is off
GI632 is off
GI632 -> A636

GI636:
NafHir -> NafEto_N or SorKal
IppHir -> IpaHir
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.340618&lon=-1.780601
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.328815&lon=-1.831369 since it's a different relation than to ToAP1/8
ToAP1/8 might be moved to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.329907&lon=-1.827593


NMPs can be marked FP (if no new NMPs happen).


esppv review done!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on June 22, 2019, 01:00:26 pm
Just a little issue not worth opening a new thread: ESP-GA N525 wp "AP9/AP53" should be renamed to "AP9/53"
Title: Community of Madrid Red Principal (espmd)
Post by: michih on June 23, 2019, 03:01:10 pm
A5R:
Shouldn't we add "A-5R" to HB? It's located b/n A5 wp 11 and A40 wp 31. OSM and GM indicate it "A-5R" but I couldn't find km posts with "A-5R". espa or eursf? It's relevant for M406 wp "ToA5".


A6:
Shouldn't it be extended to the east? A6 is indicated on (some) km posts and it's even more "freeway" than Swiss A13 for instance. I think A1 is also quite substandard north of Madrid with bus stop and access to properties


A40:
Needs a new wp west of A14/A21


M45x:
Needs a new wp west of exit 25, outer carriageways do not have a different dedicationg but are M45 too.
Is it really concurrent to M50?


M100:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.582475&lon=-3.583807
M106/M111 -> M106 ? M111 is not orange


M111:
Route starts at M13 according to OSM, GM and madrid.org (see below). However, orange M111 signs are at the roundabout exit from M13 heading southbound, and at the roundabout exit from M11 heading northbound!?
M100/M106 -> M100 ?


M206:
CarCir -> CarCir_N
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.446290&lon=-3.481598
And please refer to MP203x below...
M45/M50 -> M50_N ? See M45
However, the existing M50 might be M45/M50


M300:
CalIpl_W -> CalIpl_E
CalIpl_E -> CalIpl_W


M301:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.345469&lon=-3.672422 for A4
Route begins at A4 according to madrid.org and OSM, GM indicates it existing also to the north but GSV does not confirm this. Route should be truncated.


M402:
Is indicated on OSM and GM but I couldn't find it on GSV (Spring 2018). It was removed from wikipedia (https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anexo%3ARed_de_Carreteras_de_la_Comunidad_de_Madrid&type=revision&diff=110208934&oldid=109261737) last August because it's not on an official but undated list (http://www.madrid.org/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=filename%3DCARRETERAS+DE+LA+COMUNIDAD+DE+MADRID.pdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1352905778978&ssbinary=true).
If it should remain in HB:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.329927&lon=-3.745147
M425 -> AveUni


M406:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.320074&lon=-3.749809


M408:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.247809&lon=-3.766572


M501x:
M855_W is off
M512 is off
34 -> 33
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.357885&lon=-4.390669
Route needs to be split again at MD/CL border b/n N403 and existing MD/CL
Why does the csv city field have a "?" for both routes?


M503x:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.455519&lon=-3.889439 heading to M50 i/c


M505:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.488297&lon=-3.871157
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.494335&lon=-3.884265
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.496929&lon=-3.889890
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.499956&lon=-3.898902
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.509313&lon=-3.919244
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.575153&lon=-4.009961
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.578768&lon=-4.127083
M512/M533 -> M512 ?


M506:
Move M302 to the center of the roundabout
LasOli source? CalAbe or CalArq?
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.352816&lon=-3.911809
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.297530&lon=-3.822620
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.277766&lon=-3.783031
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.217217&lon=-3.564913


M509:
OSM, GSV, madrid.org indicate it starting at M50, only GM extends it into Majadahonda which seems to be wrong


M511:
All sources indicate it starting at M502 instead of A5


M600:
+X180976 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.355236&lon=-4.015900


M601:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.640758&lon=-4.005557
M608/M619 -> M608 ?
M607/M614 -> M607 ?


M603:
wp for M40 missing


M607x:
Move 12 to the overpass (M603 too)
+X2 is off
M601/M614 -> M601 ?


M608:
M601/M619 -> M601 ?
M615 -> AveSal


M609:
Does it really exist north of M608? OSM, GM, GSV and madrid.org say no!
CieSanBar -> CerSanBar


M616:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.545284&lon=-3.661859


MP203x:
Route is MP203 on GM and MP203 on OSM - and principal MP203 on the undated madrid.org list above - but it has orange M206 signs on GSV - old route is orange M206a :)
The northern exit has number 5, the southern exit 4 according to GSV.


M410:
Should be added to HB! It is Principal Red according to the list madrid.org list, confirmed being orange M410 on 2008 and 2018 GSV. GM has a green M410 which seems to be wrong.


M423:
Should be added to HB! It is Principal Red according to the list madrid.org list, confirmed being orange M423 on 2010 and 2018 GSV. GM has a orange M423 too.


M506a:
It is Principal Red according to the list madrid.org list, also indicated being M506a on OSM but I couldn't find anything on GM nor GSV. Adding to HB?



NMPs can be marked FP (if no new NMPs appear).



espmd review done!
Title: Navarre Carreteras de Interés de la Comunidad Foral (espnc)
Post by: michih on June 29, 2019, 11:52:29 am
NA115:
NA6620 is off


NA120:
NA132A should be moved to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.677597&lon=-2.035735
NA7323 is off
+X213467 is off


NA122:
NA8715 is off
NA134 is off


NA126:
CalSanIst -> CalSanIsi
NA521 -> NA5211
NA521 is off


NA128:
NA5501 is off


NA129:
Exceeds limits b/n NA666 and A12
NA8404 should be on track


NA132:
NA8603 is off
NA5140 is off
NA601_N is off
NA601_S is off
+X104889 is off


NA134:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.355325&lon=-1.939012 (to NA624 etc.)
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.251028&lon=-1.796157 (because there is also a wp east of the village/town)
NA660 should be moved to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.229344&lon=-1.705204
NA7564 is off
NA8712 is off
N113_N -> N121 (N113 is not intersecting)


NA137:
Urz -> Urg or CalIri
ESP/FRA is off. The last km post (km59) is where OSM and GM indicate the border line


NA138:
NA2520 is off
NA1740 is off
+X177058 is off


NA140:
+X827968 is off
+X822181 is off
NA2013 is off
Uzt -> BarZab ?


NA150:
+X602686 is off
NA2414 is off
+X173429 is off


NA160:
NA161 is off


NA170:
NA1700 is off
+X709451 is off
Zub -> KalNag ?
Itu -> PlaKal ?
NC/AR is off (espar.a130 too)


NA178:
NA2161 is off
+X578313 is off
NA214 is off
+X644916 is off
NA2124 is off


NA411:
+X432963 is off
NA4112 is off
NA4351 is off
NA4115 is off
NA4116 is off
NA4240 is off


NA534:
+X855258 is off
+X841035 is off
+X706218 is off
+X669831 is off
NA5390 is off
+X810279 is off


NA601:
NA6031 is off
NA6011 is off
NA6012 is off


NA666:
NA8404 is off
+X106239 is off
NA8412 is off


NA700:
NA7110 is off
NA7020 is off
NA7005 is off
NA7140 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.821816&lon=-1.688472 (heading to PA30/PA34 i/c


NA718:
+X790237 is off
NA7186 is off
NA7130 is off
+X736848 is off
+X269747 is off
NA7183 is off
NA2410_E is off

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_Navarra



espnc review done!
Title: Region of Murcia Red de Primer Nivel (espmc)
Post by: michih on June 29, 2019, 03:19:56 pm
The last Spanish system with eursf routes to be replaced.

RM3x:
22 -> 23 according to OSM, GM and GSV in both directions
23 -> 25 according to OSM, GM and GSV in both directions


RM11x:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.657651&lon=-1.705869
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.460501&lon=-1.631035
5, 8, 9, 22 and 25 are not numbered exits (OSM + 2018 GSV)


RM12x:
Exit 10 and 12 missing


RM15x:
4 is off
8 is off
10 is off
33 is off
35 is off
40 is off
41 is off
43 is off
46 is off
Exit 48 missing
50 is off
53 is off
55 is off


RM19x:
Most exits are numbered according to 2018 GSV, not yet on 2015 GSV
AvBal -> 24
RMF27 -> 21
Inf -> 18
RMF22 -> 16
RMF12_E -> 15
RMF13 -> 9
RMF19 -> 4
MosTra -> 1


RM301:
RM310 is off


RM303:
RMF2 is off
RMF10 is off


RM332:
RMD9 is off
RM607 -> AveCon (only GM indicates RM607 but not OSM nor GSV 2009-2018)
+X723431 is off
RME20 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.576624&lon=-1.246862
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.639468&lon=-1.095264
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.621079&lon=-1.016117
ToAP7 -> CT31


CT31:
Needs to be extended to RM332


RM412:
RMA21 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.217898&lon=-1.058990


RM422:
RM410 is off
RMA10 is off


RM424:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.458218&lon=-1.065390
RMA15 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.593621&lon=-1.089862


RM426:
AveJuanPab -> AveJuanPabII or AveJPII


RM602:
CarAlh -> CarAlhMur
RME32 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.745039&lon=-1.269146
N301 -> N301a


RM711:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.877928&lon=-1.844024
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.027321&lon=-1.912324
RMC17 is off
RMC18 is off
+X284953 is off
RMC11 is off
RMC14 is off
RMC9 is off


RM714:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.205072&lon=-1.735303
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.128860&lon=-1.803574
+X279785 is off
Move A30 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.314673&lon=-1.487215 ?
+X389106 is off
RMB39 is off


RM730:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.050569&lon=-1.928921
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.038907&lon=-1.987925
RM702 is off
RMB24 is off
RMB23 is off


NMPs can be marked FP.


https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_la_Regi%C3%B3n_de_Murcia

RM36 and RM423 are Red Carreteras but have green signs, not included!


espmc review done!


I'll leave Spain now.
Title: Canary Islands Red Regional
Post by: michih on July 08, 2019, 03:40:24 pm
Concurrencies:    FINE
NMPs:             FPs
Add eursf routes: NONE
wikipedia:        https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_Canarias
wikipedia check:  FINE (FV+GC not available though)


FV1x:
FV109 -> 22
FV101 -> 25
FV1A -> FV104 according to OSM and 2018 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5771039,-13.8367888,3a,15y,347.81h,87.15t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1smXH72dU45bzsgC5by_gQeQ!2e0!5s20181201T000000!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36). GSV 2016 still had old FV1 signs
AvoFue -> AveFue
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.713262&lon=-13.878431 at end of motorway
Extends to the south, see OSM, GM and 2018 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.5133674,-13.8493136,3a,75y,24.07h,79.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy34hgLV_Va8NXjDcGMtJyg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)


FV2x:
FV520 is off
FV603_E -> 62
FV605 -> 64
FV603_W -> 68


FV3:
FV10 is off


GC1x:
CalJuisMor -> CalLuisMor
CalBraMur source? It's Calle Muelle Las Palmas
GSJ @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.084509&lon=-15.416613
6 is off
Exit 23 missing
Move exit 45 to the overpass (GC60 wp too)


GC2x:
3 -> 2
4 -> unnumbered
5 -> 7
6 -> 8
Exit 20 missing
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.139944&lon=-15.595444


GC3x:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.047544&lon=-15.421865 (numbered being exit 1)
9A -> 12
GC300 -> 13
GC302 -> 15


GC4x:
2 -> 1, however the existing exit 1 is also signed being exit 1


GC10:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.999133&lon=-15.420127


GC15:
GC41 is off
GC42 is off
Move GC60 to the center of the roundabout


GC20:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.115878&lon=-15.527485


GC21:
GC42 is off
GC432 is off
GC30 is off
GC214 is off
GC230 is off
GC150 is off
GC220 is off
+X854561 is off
GC210 is off


GC41:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.996566&lon=-15.424826
GC810: Right position?
GC413 is off
+X118480 is off
LugLomoSil is off
LugLec is off
LugLec -> GC414


GC42:
GC421 is off
GC400 is off
+X486486 is off
+X168652 is off


GC60:
+X514427 is off
GC606 is off
See GC1


GC65:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.855507&lon=-15.444921
GC671 is off
GC660 is off
GC654 is off
GC655 is off


GC70:
LugDisAlg is off
CalSanBar is off


GC75:
GC752 is off


GM1:
Remove +X375843


GM2:
+X506924 is off
CV13 is off


HI1:
HI104 is off
HI101 is off
Move HI4 to the center of the roundabout
HI120 is off
Remove +X651272


HI2:
+X934551 is off


HI4:
Viv source?


LP1:
LP102 -> LP102_N
+X554300 is off
LP108 is off
LP114 is off
GR131 -> CamMir


LP2:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.606132&lon=-17.770616
LP206_N is off
LP207 is off


LP4:
LP401 is off
+X200917 is off
LP403 is off


LZ1:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.971419&lon=-13.546540
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.977848&lon=-13.545284
+X460948 is off


LZ3:
Extends to the next roundabout, see GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.9774404,-13.5258815,3a,75y,124.77h,78.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sORCKdEYgSv3BztMq0Wep5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)


TF1x:
22 -> 23
67 -> 66


TF4x:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.454883&lon=-16.255549 (to TF5 exit)


TF5x:
GSJ @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.388425&lon=-16.668945
New unnumbered exit http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.447166&lon=-16.285568


TF11x:
5 -> 1
6 -> 2


TF12:
+X161198 is off
TF134 is off
TF136 is off
TF145 is off
TF143 is off
TF113 is off


TF16:
Move TF156 to the center of the roundabout
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.484540&lon=-16.410922


TF21:
+X581696 is off
+X641999 is off
+X538928 is off
TF326 is off
CarMedLad -> CarMed


TF24:
TF265 is off
TF272 is off
TF274 is off
TF523 is off
TF514 is off


TF28:
Any evidence that it really heads to TF5? km1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4460954,-16.2996704,3a,15y,34.63h,89.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP76PTpLjfz4omVmxQ8hrgg!2e0!7i16384!8i81929) is where OSM indicates the end.
If it extends, I would add:
- New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.455024&lon=-16.278761
- New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.448327&lon=-16.287199
- and change TF1(3) to TF5/29
- and change TF1(4) to TF5
If not: TF1(72) -> TF1

New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.446737&lon=-16.299242 (end points according to OSM)
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.418815&lon=-16.320569
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.333834&lon=-16.395255
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.239809&lon=-16.440133
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.196631&lon=-16.471510 (exceeds limits here)
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.134572&lon=-16.530814
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.105061&lon=-16.610475
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.078247&lon=-16.681296
GSJ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.070513&lon=-16.699997
TF254 is off
CalBic -> TF283
TF247_S is off
TF281 is off
TF622 is off
TF625 is off


TF31:
+X953962 is off


TF42:
TF421 -> ToTF421
AveMar -> CalBar
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.369938&lon=-16.849819
GSJ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.372817&lon=-16.736563
GSJ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.372911&lon=-16.745672


TF47:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.126908&lon=-16.745935
TF463 is off
TF1 -> TF1/82


TF51:
+X745651 is off
TF565 is off
TF567 is off
CalTin is off


TF61:
AveCri -> AveIMG


TF64:
TF635 is off


TF82:
TF583 is off
TF373_N is off
TF1_S -> TF1/47
TF1_N -> TF1_S
TF1 -> TF1_N



espcn review done!
Title: Aragon Red Básica
Post by: michih on July 14, 2019, 02:23:21 am
Concurrencies:    FINE
NMPs:             NONE
Add eursf routes: NONE
wikipedia:        https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_carreteras_de_Arag%C3%B3n
wikipedia check:  FINE


A121:
+X214575 is off
+X378398 is off


A122:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.757253&lon=-1.160034 (to A68 exits 267 and 268)
CV408 is off
A1305 is off
CV409 is off


A123:
wp for A2 off-ramp missing at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.672054&lon=-0.836002
wp for connection to A23 interchange missing at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.687754&lon=-0.828384
N330a -> N330

A124:
+X878445 is off
A1209 is off
N330a -> N330


A125:
+X969911 is off
Should we add A125a (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.128455,-1.1498649,3a,15y,124.16h,84.06t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sGlJ7vKfHAV8eF_n2MV1cuw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36)? OSM indicates the through road being A125 and the bypass is not dedicated but the bypass has km posts too (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.134015,-1.1440952,3a,15y,64.01h,80.31t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sP3xZzZrP2I_PpGBYHI9daA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36).
Ejea_E is off
Ejea_E -> CarTudAye (or A125a_E)
+X976180 is off
CV837 is off
+X201506 is off
CV811 is off
+X520950 is off
A132 is off


A126:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.766759&lon=-1.125916 (to A68 exit 262)
+X845654 is off


A127:
CV868 is off
CV481 is off
+X642397 is off
A1202 is off
CalCan is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.956039&lon=-1.237807
GSJ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.123238&lon=-1.151505


A129:
+X642872 is off
A230 and A131_N should be merged since there are one-way street in-between.
A131_S is off
A1217 is off
+X476801 is off


A130:
CalNue is off


A131:
A1216_W is off
BarEst is off
HUV8611 is off
N330a -> N330


A132:
Vil is off
HU534 is off
A1207 is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.144585&lon=-0.416172
N330a -> N330


A133:
HU910 is off
A1236 is off
A1225 is off
A1237 is off
+X458449 is off


A135:
Route is unsigned according to GM and GSV. Should exist according to wikipedia and OSM
GR11 -> CamValBuj because GR11 is not signed at all and it's an "odd" numbering


A136:
CarLanSal is off


A138:
+X870440 is off
HF07 is off
A2609 is off
A2611 is off


A139:
SanSanQui -> CalEnt
End is off


A140:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.837200&lon=0.550252


A176:
NC/AR is off
+X466530 is off


A202:
A2505 is off
+X123217 is off
ZIV4121 -> CV307, see OSM and 2018 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1595683,-1.8071212,3a,75y,172.29h,64.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT8yqbN-6QKrH6rMoI7IOPQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
NIIa -> NIIa/N234
N234 -> N234_S

A211:
Gal -> CV633
AR/CM is off


A220:
CV301/641 -> CV301 ?
CV406 is off
CV102 is off
A2101 is off
+X860910 is off
+X978172 is off


A221:
CamPPZ -> CalRAV
+X813953 is off
+X417686 is off
+X187162 is off
A1412 is off
AR/CT is off


A222:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.299557&lon=-0.743712
ZP1127 -> CV209 (or ToZP1127?)
A223 is off
+X820483 is off


A223:
Alb_W is off
Alb_N -> AveBajoMar
Alb_S -> CtraAnd ? (GM)
PisMin is off
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.973758&lon=-0.434550
N221 -> N221/N420


A224:
SamCal -> CarMar ? (GM)
+X803026 is off


A225:
A226_N is off
A1409 is off
N221 -> N221/N420


A226:
+X734949 is off
A227 is off
+X935229 is off
+X266821 is off
TEV8001 is off
TEV8005 is off


A226mas:
+X205048 is off
+X797464 is off
TE39 is off
N211 -> N211/N420


A228:
TEV8201 is off
CalCal is off
TEV8023: No (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4127132,-0.7147962,3a,75y,60.95h,75.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKRucQ0RzR17N7DqTifOPjA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), it's here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4182902,-0.720765,3a,75y,50.83h,65.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssYzxS30-eeYgktKoHcQviA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
+X387285 is off
TEV2011 is off


A230:
A2410 is off
A1104 is off
A2221 is off


A231:
TEV3004 is off


A232:
A1515 is off
A1701 is off
+X331423 is off
A2710 is off
TEV2001 is off
+X670272 is off


A242:
NIIa -> NII



espar review done!
Title: Re: La Rioja Red Regional Básica
Post by: si404 on August 01, 2019, 07:15:48 am
LR131Cam:
GM and GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4182142,-2.1176286,3a,15y,312.13h,83.6t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1swBuBivAENOcZr1uG7F6UJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36) have it as NA-134 althouth it's not in Navarra. OSM indicates RI-134. But wikipedia is indicating it being LR131 and it's confirmed by the official 2010 list -> seems to be OK. However, I think that it's maintained by Navarra and we could also add it to espnc but located in ESP-RI like German B258 in Belgium or German B317 in Switzerland :8
made NA134.
Quote
N111:
I remember that I've fighted to find anything that N111 b/n Logrono and Viana but I don't remember why I didn't add it to HB back then. OSM, GM, GSV and wikipedia confirm that it's N111. Should be added to espn!
It has been in the browser since you added it! (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?units=miles&u=si404&r=espnc.n111) It's in Navarre, and the short bit in La Rioja between the end of the N111a and the border is A13* and only A13.

*quite how this hasn't been renumbered as LO-13 to free up the A number beats me! Even with the nonsense that sometimes overruns the Spanish Autovia numbering, this is one of the silly ones.

I did this review directly onto the main TM/master branch by mistake (hence no pull request).
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on August 01, 2019, 09:48:37 am
Active systems: AN, CT

Reviews processed for: AR, AS, CB, CM, CN, EX, MC, NC, PV, RI, VC

Reviews given for: CL, IB, MD

Reviews still to be given: (GA when ready)

System to be checked and made preview: GA
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on August 01, 2019, 12:27:31 pm
Reviews still to be given: AS, CB, CL, CM, EX

I'll review them soon. When fraidfd will be done or even earlier  8)
Title: Asturias Red Regional (espas)
Post by: michih on August 03, 2019, 11:28:25 am
Concurrencies:    FINE
NMPs:             FPs
Add eursf routes: DONE
wikipedia:        https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_del_Principado_de_Asturias
wikipedia check:  FINE


AI82:
Should be added as eursf route from A8 exit 417 to the airport. It's only indicated on km posts. GM and wikipedia indicate it being A81 but that's wrong.


AS11:
+X938257 is off
+X690964 is off
AS13/27 -> AS13 since A27 is a green Red Comarcal only?


AS12:
AS22 is off
AS14/28 -> AS14 since A28 is a green Red Comarcal only?


AS13:
AS11/27 -> AS11 since A27 is a green Red Comarcal only?


AS14:
GS1 is off
AS219 is off (it's at AS217 junction)
AS11/28 -> AS11 since A28 is a green Red Comarcal only?


AS15:
AS348 is off


AS19:
GI19 -> GJ19
N633 needs to be renamed since this N633 segment (only indicated on OSM) is not in HB; Maybe ToN632?


AS117:
CalLaMina -> AS387


espas review done!
Title: Cantabria Red Primaria (espcb)
Post by: michih on August 28, 2019, 02:02:53 pm
Concurrencies:    FINE
NMPs:             FPs
Add eursf routes: NONE
wikipedia:        https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_primaria_de_carreteras_de_Cantabria
wikipedia check:  CA-137 is not listed but 2018 GSV and an official 2017 map (http://www.cantabria.es/documentos/carreterasdecantabria/Mapa_Guantera_2017-capas.pdf) confirms that it's an orange CA route


CA130:
N611_N -> N611_E
N623 wp should be at the other roundabout
N611_S -> N611_W


CA135:
+X175395 is off


CA140:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.401078&lon=-3.826421 for S10 exit 6
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.417555&lon=-3.845496 for S10 exit 4


CA141:
BarMue -> BarMue_N
CA434/440 -> CA434 ?
CA4448 -> CA448
CA907_E is off


CA142:
CA619 is off
CA262/264 -> CA262 ?


CA146:
CA146a -> CA428, see CA146a
CA432 is off


CA146a:
Is yellow CA428 according to the official 2017 map but still signed CA146(a) according to 2018 GSV. OSM does not indicate any numbering. I guess that the route was downgraded but signs are still there. I would remove the route.



CA151:
CA512 -> CA511/512 ?
CB/PV is off


CA160:
CA162/260 -> CA162 (CA260 is a different system)


CA161:
CA162/261 -> CA162 (CA261 is a different system)


CA162:
CA160/260 -> CA160 (CA260 is a different system)
CA161/261 -> CA161 (CA261 is a different system)


CA170:
CA704 is off


CA171:
CA725 is off


CA180:
CA182/280 -> CA182 (CA280 is a different system)


CA181:
CA842 is off
+X620841 is off
CA850 is off
+X293035 is off
CA182/282 -> CA182 (CA282 is a different system)


CA182:
CA180/280 -> CA180 (CA280 is a different system)
+X804155 is off
Car is off
CA181/281 -> CA181 (CA281 is a different system)


CA183:
PasJimDIaz -> PasJimDiaz or PasDJD


CA184:
CA875 is off
+X973435 is off


espcb review done!
Title: Castilla-La Mancha Red Básica (espcm)
Post by: michih on August 29, 2019, 03:36:57 pm
Concurrencies:    FINE
NMPs:             FPs
Add eursf routes: NONE
wikipedia:        ? ? ? https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_Castilla-La_Mancha
wikipedia check:  No complete list, not sure what's your source! Not checked whether complete or not!


A4/E5/N4a:
wp 243 should be synced. It was drafted off by 0.000001° to break the concurrency but since we've split Spain into regions, the routes are split anyway.


CM10x:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.647263&lon=-3.141768 ?


CM41x:
2 is off
+X668132 is off


CM42x:
24 is off


CM45x:
5 is off
+X513917 is off
26 is off


CM101:
+X173366 is off
GU150_S is off
GU150_N is off
CM110_W is off


CM110:
CM1101 is off
GU127 is off
GU170 is off
CM101_N is off, see CM101
CM1006 is off


CM200:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.551211&lon=-2.857432
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.352805&lon=-2.899752
CM2003/2006 -> CM2003 ?
GU226 is off
CM2050 is off
CM3000 is off


CM210:
CM2111 is off
CM2023 is off
CUV9116 is off
Excceds limits b/n CUV9116 and +X379705
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.573943&lon=-2.078696


CM211:
CM220 is off


CM215:
CM2250 is off


CM220:
+X470300 can and should be removed
SolCha -> CalMota (Calle Solana is parallel to CM220)
Gab -> CalFue
+X261303 is off
+X873045 is off
QuiRey_N is off
CUV8111 is off


CM310:
CM2108 is off
+X734780 is off
CM2002 is off
CM2025 is off
CamDis source? There is nothing with this name, only east of CM3011 - 4mi away
VilSan is off
Move CM3013 to the center of the roundabout
N301 -> N301_S
CM3105 is off
Move CM3012 to the center of the roundabout
New Wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.917700&lon=-2.796029 heading to A3 exit 100
Remove +X446832 then
CM42 -> CM42/420


CM311:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.440454&lon=-1.744621
CM3137 is off
CUV8211 is off


CM313:
+X615039 is off
+X745489 is off
+X899325 is off
CM3152 is off
Poz_W -> CarHel_W ?
Poz_E -> CarHel_E ?
Add a hidden wp to show that the route is via the bypass
Does it extend into Hellin?
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.044401&lon=-2.572960 (also for concurrent N430)


CM316:
+X163432 is off
CalMar -> AveJRR


CM320:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.775683&lon=-2.450691


CM401:
TO3956 is off
CM4157 is off


CM403:
+X253707 is off
+X783760 is off
+X364258 is off


CM410:
CalCamCem -> AveLib
ToA4 -> AveAnd_S
+X821576 is off
TO2031 is just an underpass
CM42 is off, see CM42x
Move TO3221 to the center of the roundabout
TO3045 -> TO3425


CM412:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.700838&lon=-1.422448
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.681728&lon=-1.452159
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.475262&lon=-1.776052
CM3529 is off
CM3529 -> CM3259
+X388078 is off
AB304 is off
CarElCen is off
CarElCen -> CarCen
+X385477 is off
+X419281 is off
+X535765 is off
+X522887 is off
AB5026 is off
CM3119 -> CM3129
+X984452 is off
CR5221 is off
CR5222 is off


CM413:
CarEMCal -> CalAnc
CR5225 is just an underpass
Exceeds limits b/n CM45 and CR5122


CM415:
N430 is off
+X919696 is off


CM420:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.405494&lon=-2.957243
N430 -> N420/N430

espcm review completed!
Title: Castile and Leon Red Básica (espcl)
Post by: michih on August 30, 2019, 11:56:15 am
Concurrencies:    DONE
NMPs:             FPs
Add eursf routes: NONE
wikipedia:        https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_Castilla_y_Le%C3%B3n
wikipedia check:  CL-625 from the list is not in HB but it's confirmed by OSM, GM and Nov 2018 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6584765,-3.080167,3a,15y,308.26h,87.85t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sY94rCPlwjhb8SNMSC2vdnw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i36) that it's green BU-525.


N621/N625:
Concurrency broken north of junction with CL626


CL101:
SO132_E is off
SOP4156 is off
+X884935 is off
SOP3162 is off
SO350 is off
+X132172 is off
SO380_N is off


CL116:
SOP4171 is off
A15(39A) should be moved to the roundabout east of the exit
SOP3151 is off
+X870307 is off
new wp @  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.457877&lon=-2.491193 for A15(36)
new wp @  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.443531&lon=-2.469456 for A15(32)


CL117:
BUV8229 is off
+X548923 is off
CarAmo is off
CalMad is off
SO820 is off


CL127:
BU742 is off
BUV7414 is off
BUV7418 is off


CL501adr:
AV901 is off
Remove +X937236


CL505:
AV501/502 -> AV501 ?
N110a -> N110/N403


CL507:
CalCal is off
AV804 is off


CL510:
+X471899 is off
+X905329 is off
SA114_E is off


CL512:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.942475&lon=-5.680007
DSA210 is off
SA205/211 -> SA205 ?


CL517:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.012811&lon=-6.434960
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.010807&lon=-6.440263
+X203301 is off
Move N620 to A62 wp (or extend N620 to the north)


CL526:
DSA391 is off
DSA365 source? GSV shows no sign, GM indicates no road number and OSM suggests CM208
+X903298 is off
N620a -> N620


CL527:
ZA311 is off
ZA316 is off
+X974014 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.366940&lon=-6.106711


CL600:
VA200 is off


CL601:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.936129&lon=-4.099209
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.942775&lon=-4.108608
+X607130 is off
Why CalSol? Should it be GSJ? I'd prefer having wps at the roundabouts


CL602:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.323813&lon=-5.147519 (heading to motorway exit)
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.311739&lon=-4.920271
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.314414&lon=-4.908593
ZA633 is off
ZA605 is off
Replace CalSal by CalCal @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.317480&lon=-4.836849
VA405 is off
VA410 is off
VP1104 is off
CalCog -> CalPil
+X371616 is off


CL603:
SGV2223 is off
Replace +X975131 by nearby SGV2412


CL605:
SGP3211 is off
+X970903 is off
+X170934 is off
AV413/804 -> AV413 ?
AV800 is off
SA800/810 -> SA800 ?
+X315838 is off
ZA623 is off


CL610:
Does it extend into Valladolid as OSM and GM suggest?
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.314706&lon=-4.913364
ZorFroPar source? CalAlfPar?
VA801_W is off
CarMad is off
CarMad source? AveCIC?
VA405 is off


CL612:
ZAP2314 is off
ZA713 -> ZA714_E
ZA714 -> ZA714_W
Remove +X228078


CL613:
P905_S -> P905/P972?
CalConAns source? CarPal_N?


CL615:
P961 -> P961/P963 ?
PP2414 is off
PP2415 is off


CL619:
BU130 is off
BUP1131 is off
BU113 is off
P113 is off
P114 is off
P130 is off


CL620:
CL/PV -> PV/CL
PV/CL -> CL/PV


CL621:
LE7612 is off
LE411 is off
LE6515 is off
LE6508 is off
LE6501 is off


CL622:
LE6508 is off
Move LE413_N to the center of the roundabout
LE6515 is off
LE6515 -> LE6531
LE6532 is off
LE6506 is off
LE5533 is off


CL623:
LE5507 is off
LE460 is off
Remove +X244020


CL624:
N601 -> N120/N601
LE5613 is off
LE5610 is off
LE3260 -> LE3620


CL626:
N621_N -> N621/N625
N625 -> N625_S
+X880131 is off
Exceeds limits b/n +X880131 and LE497
LE497 is off
LE493_W is off
LE3404 is off
LE3405 is off
LE3407 is off
LE481 is off
LE3416 is off
+X848216 is off
LE473 is off
LE493_E is off
LE311 is off
+X389237 is off
LE321 is off
LE3610 is off
+X350614 is off
LE234 is off
+X150052 is off
PP2299 is off
P215 is off
PP2247 is off
PP2243 is off
PP2248 is off
P227 is off
+X279804 is off
PP2128 is off
PP2121 is off
+X855356 is off


CL627:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.055213&lon=-4.459033
PP2173 is off
PP2112 is off
+X806634 is off


CL628:
BUV5609 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.936061&lon=-3.566300


CL629:
N627 -> N623/N627
+X395307 is off
+X309692 is off
+X124779 is off
+X749525 is off
CL/PV is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.954870&lon=-3.558111
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.931063&lon=-3.575607


CL631:
13 is off
15 is off
LE463 is off
LE4309 is off
LE711 is off
LE3307 is off


CL632:
BUV5102 is off


CL633:
BU502 is off
BU502 -> BUV5021
+X163131 is off
+X872411 is off
+X908285 is off
+X209664 is off



espcl review complete!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on August 31, 2019, 03:25:49 am
Reviews processed for: AR, AS, CB, CN, NC, PV, RI, VC

AR has a SELFREF issue: http://travelmapping.net/devel/datacheck.php?sys=null&rg=ESP-AR

btw: CT in another system too: http://travelmapping.net/devel/datacheck.php?sys=null&rg=ESP-CT (B40_U is quite odd for this roundabout!)
Title: Extremadura Red Básica (espex)
Post by: michih on August 31, 2019, 03:55:03 am
Concurrencies:    FINE
NMPs:             NONE
Add eursf routes: NONE
wikipedia:        https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Red_de_Carreteras_de_Extremadura
wikipedia check:  FINE, see EX-100


EX100 (N523):
Existed from 1997 to 2019 but is now N523 again, see wikipedia (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/EX-100). OSM confirms it.
+X142631 is off
EX214_W is off
BA029 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.885425&lon=-6.979886


EX101:
EX365 -> EX364
CerRacFer -> CerRecFer
BA032/146 -> BA032 ?
BA144 is off


EX102:
CC22.5 is off
CC21.3 source? OSM indicates CC21.4, GM CC21.1, GSV nothing :D
+X764901 is off
+X544585 is off
NVa -> NV


EX103:
+X660713 is off
+X866549 is off
BA062 is off
EX103R is off
EX104_W is off
EX306 source? There is nothing like that... GSV has (to?) EX200


EX104:
EX352 source? OSM has no number, GM extends EX104 to the west and has a junction with EX351 here, GSV shows EX208/EX347 heading south and EX351/N430 heading north
EX349: OSM suggests it being EX115, GM does not indicate any numbering here and EX115 ends at EX351 further east. GSV indicates EX115 which can be considered as "To EX351" or as "OSM is right"
CalCal is off
AveSie is off
BA037 is off


EX105:
BA142 is off


EX105alm:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.617449&lon=-6.822523
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.622897&lon=-6.823607


EX105A3:
EX105_E -> EX105_W
EX105_W -> EX105_E


EX107:
+X351502 is off
Remove +X803750
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.865258&lon=-6.982895


EX108:
Concurrency broken with EX109
EXA1(1) -> A5/EXA1
AlaRio -> CalGua?
ToEX108? -> VarCor?
EX109_S is off
AveLus is off


EX108mal:
CC164 -> EXA1(16), CC is not a potential future system
CC18.2 is off
CC18.3 -> EXA1(42), CC is not a potential future system


EX109:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.961497&lon=-6.514957
ToEX108 --> CC59 or VarCor?
AveLus is off


EX110:
+X231374 is off


EX112:
BA032 is off
+X401986 is off
CalVal source? I have no other label and to be honest, do we really need this wp? It's a gravel road...


EX115:
Are you sure about the start point? OSM suggests EX114 extending to EX346
Check route through Campanario, see EX104
EX348 is off


EX117:
CC174 is off
+X243791 is off
+X269061 is off


EX118:
+X818895 is off
CC20.2 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.783984&lon=-5.477760
CC54 is off
CC120 is off


EX119:
N5 -> NV
Tal_S is off
Tal_S -> CarTay?
Tal_N -> CarJar?
+X912826 is off
CC135 -> CC76


espex review complete!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on August 31, 2019, 03:56:08 am
Note: The last reviews were so quick because I had already checked them partially a few weeks ago :)

When can I start reviewing espga system? ;)
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on August 31, 2019, 04:37:57 am
btw: CT in another system too: http://travelmapping.net/devel/datacheck.php?sys=null&rg=ESP-CT (B40_U is quite odd for this roundabout!)
It literally has no exits that aren't B40 - it's only there to mark the end of the autovia status, and to provide U-turns.
When can I start reviewing espga system? ;)
No idea  :-*

Any other business on the systems with reviews dealt with? I'm doing NMPs and datacheck stuff today.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on August 31, 2019, 08:05:17 am
Any other business on the systems with reviews dealt with? I'm doing NMPs and datacheck stuff today.

I don't plan working on TM today.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on August 31, 2019, 06:58:55 pm
I meant beyond the datacheck, is there any more to do?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on September 01, 2019, 02:46:35 am
I've only checked espex so far and have some comments:

Code: [Select]
N523 +EX100 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.923660&lon=-6.942329
No alt labels for preview systems, please! ;)

EX108:
ValCor -> VarCor

EX109:
ToEX108 --> CC59 or VarCor?

Have you missed the last one or is there any reason to keep just "ToEX108"?

Do I need to go through all systems for checking that everything is addressed?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on September 01, 2019, 03:03:39 am
What about the other systems that I did earlier? Aragon, Basque Country, La Rioja, Navarre, etc? I think they are the priorities for activation, rather than the systems I dealt with last night. And I'm going to need to activate some systems, given I plan on raising espga to preview and don't want to upset Jim! ;D

EX109:
ToEX108 --> CC59 or VarCor?

Have you missed the last one or is there any reason to keep just "ToEX108"?
Neither - I did it, and then didn't save  :-[
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on September 01, 2019, 03:37:59 am
What about the other systems that I did earlier? Aragon, Basque Country, La Rioja, Navarre, etc?

That's my question. Did you revise everything or do I need to go through every single change on Github and check that all of my suggestions are addressed? That's what I did for espex today.

And I'm going to need to activate some systems, given I plan on raising espga to preview and don't want to upset Jim! ;D

Activate imnb, jeyb and nirb first. I won't go through it again.

EX109:
ToEX108 --> CC59 or VarCor?

Have you missed the last one or is there any reason to keep just "ToEX108"?
Neither - I did it, and then didn't save  :-[

The very same did recently happen to me with deurpl. It seems that I sometimes forget copying the changed lines from wpt editor to the wpt file :(
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on September 01, 2019, 04:10:45 am
That's my question. Did you revise everything
I believe so (there might be some EX108 typos and EX109 didn't save issues), other than this:
Since these are not TM relevant borders (which should be labeled ARA/BIZ rathar than Ara/Biz et cetera), we could also just take the name of the other route. For instance, A623 wp Ara/Biz could be renamed to BI623.
Because they are not TM-relevant, they get lower case border names (cf county / city boundaries endpoints in the states. Oh, and espga). I've gone with keeping the border labels, rather than using the continuation road number.

But as you won't go through it again, what you are saying is that you are done with reviewing them...

Activate imnb, jeyb and nirb first.
Well, obviously (had already set that up), but I feel like a flurry (or perhaps an autumnal fall. :P) of new systems in the next few days given Jim's gripe about too many preview systems!
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on September 01, 2019, 04:27:17 am
But as you won't go through it again, what you are saying is that you are done with reviewing them...

When you believe that you don't have missed anything, go ahead and activate all pending esp systems! If you bring the small espga system to preview soon, I might review it the next few days so that we can also activate it very soon. Just to complete the whole Spanish affairs :)

given Jim's gripe about too many preview systems!

Not just Jim's ;)
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on September 01, 2019, 09:11:11 am
So state of play after my next pull will be as follows:

Active systems
Previously active: espan, espct
Newly active: espar, espnc, esppv, espri, espvc


Preview systems
Undergoing final checks: espas, espcb, espcl, espcm, espcn, espex, espmc
Review to be processed: espib, espmd
Review to be given: espga
Title: Re: Community of Madrid Red Principal (espmd)
Post by: si404 on September 02, 2019, 05:50:50 am
I couldn't find km posts with "A-5R".
Here's one (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3610326,-3.8078619,3a,15y,119.69h,82.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv1O-VsIz31xAd2aXl6XL2A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). I'll have a think about adding it.
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A40:
Needs a new wp west of A14/A21
You mean 'M', not 'A'. I don't think it's need as it's just a ramp, but I'll add it anyway.
Title: Re: Community of Madrid Red Principal (espmd)
Post by: si404 on September 02, 2019, 02:27:18 pm
M45x:
Is it really concurrent to M50?
Bizarre, but true. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4361358,-3.5071048,3a,75y,327.32h,91.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svULq-0qaAHdxyfKg9KS2Rw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

I will need to rejig - M45 is only on the inner carriageways, with M50 on all 4.
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M603:
wp for M40 missing
You'd be hard pushed to join M40 there, and find it even harder to go the other way (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5160684,-3.6709424,247m/data=!3m1!1e3). Yes they built a roundabout over the freeway and didn't connect it up, nor provide the possibility of connection.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on September 02, 2019, 02:59:14 pm
M603:
wp for M40 missing
You'd be hard pushed to join M40 there, and find it even harder to go the other way (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5160684,-3.6709424,247m/data=!3m1!1e3). Yes they built a roundabout over the freeway and didn't connect it up, nor provide the possibility of connection.

:o :pan:
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on September 03, 2019, 11:44:01 am
Don't we need update entries for the former eursf routes in esppv?

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3101/commits/8ea02c51c76a183452fcac24acd7276e486c4b3c
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on September 03, 2019, 04:55:14 pm
Don't we need update entries for the former eursf routes in esppv?
Why? They've not been added, deleted, renamed, extended, truncated or relocated. There's zero effect on list files.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on September 04, 2019, 11:42:37 am
Don't we need update entries for the former eursf routes in esppv?
Why? They've not been added, deleted, renamed, extended, truncated or relocated. There's zero effect on list files.

Sorry, I thought that almost all former eursf routes have been extended and didn't expect that all in esppv didn't change.

However, the espex.n523 update entry is wrong (name and link in updates.csv).
Title: Galicia Red Primaria Básica (espga)
Post by: michih on September 07, 2019, 02:38:38 pm
Concurrencies:    FINE
NMPs:             FINE
Add eursf routes: Route b/n AP9 exit 168 and A55 exit 17 might be added
source:           https://infraestruturasemobilidade.xunta.gal/seccion-organizacion/c/Axencia_Galega_de_Infraestruturas?content=Direccion_Xeral_Infraestruturas/Estradas/seccion.html
source check:     DONE, see subsequently

Why are some "Vía de Alta Capacidade" (VAC) in espa system and some in espga system? I've only checked that you didn't miss a route but not how they are signed. Are all espa routes blue and all espga routes red (or green*)? Do I need to check it in detail?
*Which is odd but I've seen that some espga routes are signed green!?


AC523:
AC400_Vei is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.267513&lon=-8.409774
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.263827&lon=-8.413199
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.234210&lon=-8.465146
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.228196&lon=-8.466133
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.167014&lon=-8.415098


AC524:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.077007&lon=-8.391860
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.075855&lon=-8.395459
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.074876&lon=-8.402256


AC542:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.265738&lon=-8.234240
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.209162&lon=-8.317273
N6 -> NVI


AC543:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.873016&lon=-8.584732 for AG56 exit 3
AG56_W is off -> should be at AC543, not one wp with CG1.5/AG56


AC544:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.878429&lon=-8.676115 for AG56 exit 10
AC447/448 -> AC447_E ?
AC447 -> AC447_W


AC550:
DP2308 is off
AldPed is off
Lira -> AldMin
DP5303 is off
+X130849 is off
CamPraCoi is off
AC310_S is off
DP7101 is off
DP7102 is off
DP7103 is off


AC552:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.316365&lon=-8.491302
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.303788&lon=-8.514276
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.255170&lon=-8.553784
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.253531&lon=-8.557301
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.230211&lon=-8.664734
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.228218&lon=-8.675627
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.206863&lon=-8.696290
DP0507 is off
AC416 is off
AG55(49) is off
+X541867 is off


AC554:
AC550_N -> AC550_W
AC550_S -> AC550_E


AC563:
AC564 is off


AC564:
AC141 is off


AC566:
DP2201 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.524235&lon=-8.186510
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.550955&lon=-8.173710


AC840:
DP6301 is off
DP3201 source? OSM indicates DP3202, GM/GSV nothing
AC234 is off
ZasRei is off
AC192_S is off
AC191 is off
N6 -> NVI


AC841:
AG59 should be extended to this AG59 wp


AC861:
AveGal -> AveLugo_W
+X346656 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.443062&lon=-7.855777


AC862:
Lug/Cor is off
AC100 is off
DP6104 is off
CG1.3 -> CG1.3_Lad
DP6111 -> DP4402 (OSM and GSV)
ToCG1.3 -> CG1.3(33)
DP4901 is off
AC125 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.508962&lon=-8.146673
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.516582&lon=-8.153559
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.515094&lon=-8.173200
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.495359&lon=-8.205639


AG57N (espa route):
Extends to PO325 according to the official list


CG1.3:
AC101 ->
ToAC862 -> 33
Move AC862 to AC862 wp
AC862 -> AC862_Lad (extension u/c or planned, more A862 wps expected)


CG1.5:
+X407688 is off
AG56 is off, should be at CG1.5/AG56, not one wp with AC543


CG2.2:
22 is off (and has an alt label)
ToLU546_Sar is off
ToLU546_Sar -> 26
ToLU546_Our -> 31
LU546 -> 34
LU644 -> 38
LU652 -> 43
ToLU546_Mon -> 50
LUP3202 -> 52
VG2.1 -> 54
A6 -> A6/A54
CG2,2 -> CG2.2 (csv files)


CG2.3:
ToLU862 -> LU862_Par


LU530:
OSM and GM suggest that it extends into Lugo, confirmed by the official list (I've not checked GSV)
LU106_W is off
LUP1201 is off
LUP1906 is off
+X166234 is off


LU533:
+X417944 is off
LU617_N is off
LU617_W is off
OSM and GM suggest that it extends into Chantada, confirmed by the official list (I've not checked GSV)


LU536:
+X769850 is off
CG2.2 is off


LU539:
LU862 is off
LU540 is off


LU540:
LUP2212 is off
LU172_E is off
LU117_N is off


LU546:
LUP1611 is off
LU614_N is off
+X972052 is off
LU614_S is off
LUP5710 is off
LU633 is off and should be split into 2 wps
ToCG2.2_Sar -> CG2.2(26)
ToCG2.2_Our -> CG2.2(31)
LU108_N is off
LU108_S -> CG2.2(34)
LU611 is off
ToCG2.2_Mon -> ToCG2.2(50)
LU109_S is off


LU861:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.306896&lon=-7.664112
A6 -> A8


LU862:
LUP2601 is off
ToCG2.3 -> CG2.3_Par
LUP6606 -> LUP2607 (OSM+GM)
+X248973 is off
LUP6405 is off


OU504:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.344478&lon=-8.119326


OU525:
Should exist from A-52 exit 210 to A-52 exit 224 but is still signed on June 2018 GSV (and in HB) as N-525.
The official Ourense list (https://infraestruturasemobilidade.xunta.gal/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=445322&name=DLFE-51035.pdf) indicates, that it was rededicated in January 2019:
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Estradas incorporadas por transferencia a prol da Xunta no 2019:
11/01/2019 OU-525 Treito: Saída 210 (A-52) (pk 219,10) - Saída 224 (A-52) (pk 233,08)


OU531:
+X432602 is off
OU162_S is off
OU540_S is off
OU131_E is off


OU533:
+X867227 is off
+X779373 is off


OU536:
OU0507 is off
Move OU537 to the center of the roundabout
OU0105 is off
Esg -> RuaSanXoan
OU0106 is off
+X356014 is off
OU0705 is off


OU538:
Move OU105 to the center of the roundabout
Move OU0514 to the center of the roundabout


OU540:
OU1207 is off
OU312 is off
OU301 is off
OU301 -> OU301/411 ?
Bar -> ToAG31(10) ?
OU0203 is off
GSJ @ Rua dos Ponxos http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.321295&lon=-7.878318


OU801:
Pon/Our is off
OU904 is off
OU904 -> OU904_N
OU402_N -> OU402
OU402_S -> OU904_S
Ou193 -> OU193
OU412 is off


PO510:
PO399_W is off
PO402 -> PO400 or PO400/402 ?


PO531:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.508987&lon=-8.674414
MonChan = Monte Chan indicated on OSM? GSV indicates Parque empresarial Vilanova I, in addition Baion from the south, I'd prefer ParEmpVil
EP9508 is off
PO310 is off
AP9(129) -> AP9


PO532:
PO180_W is off
PO180_E is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.427490&lon=-8.628154


PO533:
PO212 is off
EP6106 is off
SGV3 source? I only see Rolda Leste
ToN640 -> RuaAre_N ?


PO534:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.570908&lon=-8.341488
EP7202 is just an underpass and it's not a GSJ
+X637698 is off
AP53 is off
Move PO902 to the center of the roundabout


PO548:
EP8701 is off
Move VG4.7 to the center of the roundabout
RueMar -> RuaMar


PO550:
EP9509 -> EP9502
EP9303 is off
PO316 -> PO308 or PO308/316 ?
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.114341&lon=-8.840829
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.915523&lon=-8.833566
PO325 -> EstVao


PO551:
CG4.1 -> CG4.1/VG4.6 since both are in the same system and both are VAC routes


PO841:
Remove PO182_N
Remove PO182_S


VG1.3/AG13:
VG1.3 south of exit 6 should be AG-13 according to the official A Coruna list (https://infraestruturasemobilidade.xunta.gal/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=445322&name=DLFE-51847.pdf)
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VG-1.3 VAC Veigue (AC-163) - O Castelo (AG-13) 6km
AG-13 VAC O Castelo (VG-1.3) - Santa María de Vigo (A-6) 2,03km
Construction works for the southern extension (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/AG-13) began in August 2019 and should be completed within 36 months
1 is off
3 is off


VG4.3:
PO528/529 -> 7
PO530 -> 4
PO549 -> 1


VG4.4:
EP0019 -> 4
PO313 -> 8
EP1202 is off
EP1202 -> 10


VG4.7:
PO305 -> 5


VG4.8:
EP0017 -> 2



espga review done! LAST ONE :)
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on September 13, 2019, 09:29:28 am
Have you already dealt with this:

General issue in Spain:
There are different names for Avenues: Avenida and Avinguda. Do we generally wanna Av, or Ave and Avi? It's currently mixed:
Ave is used 278 x
Avi is used 65 x
Av is used 41 x

I've not checked all systems but I think that you've decided that CT and VC should have Avi and other regions Ave?
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: si404 on September 13, 2019, 10:36:08 am
Have you already dealt with this:
Yes, a while ago, IIRC.
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I've not checked all systems but I think that you've decided that CT and VC should have Avi and other regions Ave?
IIRC, I went with whatever OSM has - so that seems about right as that's the language divide (though Catalan and Valencian are nominally different languages!). IB might be Avi then.
Title: Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)
Post by: michih on September 13, 2019, 10:59:03 am
I looked into it.

PV has 3x Ave and 1x Avi
CT has 2x Ave and 54x Avi
IB has 1x Ave and 3x Avi


...\ESP-PV\esppv\esppv.bi625.wpt
Line 14: AviSanEst http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.247219&lon=-2.889045
OSM indicates Avenida San Esteban

...\ESP-CT\espct\espct.c058.wpt
Line 19: AveBar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.557897&lon=1.982614
OSM indicates Avinguda de Barcelona

...\ESP-CT\espct\espct.c059.wpt
Line 4: AveOnzeSet http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.532178&lon=2.196794
OSM indicates Avinguda de I'Onze de Stembre

...\ESP-IB\espa\espib.ma019.wpt (2 hits)
Line 1: AveGabVil +AvGavVil http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.564452&lon=2.656524


VC has 30x Ave and 19x Avi
Should all be Avi or have you checked each wp whether OSM indicates Ave or Avi?