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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: Spinoza on June 28, 2017, 04:19:36 am

Title: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on June 28, 2017, 04:19:36 am
Hi,
if you'll ever want to implement Italian Strada Statale (SS) network into the site, ANAS (State owned managing company) has released its complete registry:

http://www.stradeanas.it/it/le-strade/anas-regione

It is divided by region and it shows all the roads currently nominated SS.
Title: Re: Italy strada statale SS network
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2017, 06:44:50 am
Excellent, thanks.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on June 29, 2017, 12:35:43 pm
@Spinoza: We currently work on splitting some European regions like it's already done for USA, Canada, China, Mexico,... The first step is splitting Spain, then Germany, so that we can add the next tier 5 level systems afterwards. We will break user list files once this will go live. For that reason, I think we should make all splits at once. I think if we ever wanna add the next Italian system - I guess it's SP -, I think we also have to spilt Italy into regions. For that reason, it's fine, that ANAS has divided the map into regions. Is there also any info about SP routes? Generally, what do you think about adding them somewhere down the road (2018, 2019, 2020,...)?

Sorry, again, I just wanna do the split action only once to bother our users only once....
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on June 29, 2017, 02:04:04 pm
I think if we ever wanna add the next Italian system - I guess it's SP -, I think we also have to spilt Italy into regions. For that reason, it's fine, that ANAS has divided the map into regions. Is there also any info about SP routes? Generally, what do you think about adding them somewhere down the road (2018, 2019, 2020,...)?
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strada_regionale - It's SR (though they seem rare). SP are another layer down!
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on July 07, 2017, 05:31:05 am
@Spinoza: We currently work on splitting some European regions like it's already done for USA, Canada, China, Mexico,... The first step is splitting Spain, then Germany, so that we can add the next tier 5 level systems afterwards. We will break user list files once this will go live. For that reason, I think we should make all splits at once. I think if we ever wanna add the next Italian system - I guess it's SP -, I think we also have to spilt Italy into regions. For that reason, it's fine, that ANAS has divided the map into regions. Is there also any info about SP routes? Generally, what do you think about adding them somewhere down the road (2018, 2019, 2020,...)?

Sorry, again, I just wanna do the split action only once to bother our users only once....

si404 is right, SR is between SS and SP, but to make things worse, they are not present in all the Italian regions. The only regions to allow such denomination are Abruzzo, Umbria, Toscana, Lazio, Piemonte, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Veneto and Puglia.

Another layer of complication, due to the particular legal status of Provinces Trento and Bolzano/Südtirol (which have simultaneous rights of provinces, regions and state), the SS are managed by the provinces but retain their original SS denomination.

As for provincial roads (SP) it should be easy to find out the former SS which are now managed by provinces... but the original SP, which have never been SS, are somewhat harder to identify. I guess some provinces mantain a comprehensive list of them, some others don't...

Italy's a mess...
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on July 07, 2017, 11:37:49 am
Another layer of complication, due to the particular legal status of Provinces Trento and Bolzano/Südtirol (which have simultaneous rights of provinces, regions and state), the SS are managed by the provinces but retain their original SS denomination.
As for provincial roads (SP) it should be easy to find out the former SS which are now managed by provinces... but the original SP, which have never been SS, are somewhat harder to identify. I guess some provinces mantain a comprehensive list of them, some others don't...

Do you think it would be easier to split Italy into regions (= provinces)?

This way we could:
- Add SP or SR routes depending on the province
- Draft provinces which have data published and omit other provinces (first)
- Bypass the Trentino-Alto Adige "issue"
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on July 09, 2017, 07:59:17 am
If we want to split Italy into subdivisions, I think that street-wise provinces are more interesting than regions but I guess we should use both layers.

Another layer of complication, due to the particular legal status of Provinces Trento and Bolzano/Südtirol (which have simultaneous rights of provinces, regions and state), the SS are managed by the provinces but retain their original SS denomination.
As for provincial roads (SP) it should be easy to find out the former SS which are now managed by provinces... but the original SP, which have never been SS, are somewhat harder to identify. I guess some provinces mantain a comprehensive list of them, some others don't...

Do you think it would be easier to split Italy into regions (= provinces)?

This way we could:
- Add SP or SR routes depending on the province
- Draft provinces which have data published and omit other provinces (first)
- Bypass the Trentino-Alto Adige "issue"
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on July 09, 2017, 11:51:12 am
The ISO 3166-2 code for the 20 regions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:IT) is using numbers instead of characters though, e.g. IT-32 for Trentino-Alto Adige.

Characters are only used for the 110 provinces, e.g. IT-AG, but I think that's not the way we should go.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on July 20, 2017, 05:10:14 am
The ISO 3166-2 code for the 20 regions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:IT) is using numbers instead of characters though, e.g. IT-32 for Trentino-Alto Adige.

Characters are only used for the 110 provinces, e.g. IT-AG, but I think that's not the way we should go.

Why not?
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on July 20, 2017, 06:37:31 am
Why not?

Why not IT-32 or why not 110 provinces?

I think the cryptic code with numbers is not user-friendly.

No need to think about regions or provinces now because Si has decided that we don't split Italy now:

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I'm not going to split Italy - looking at how dense the SS roads are (and how they are hard work), I have no plans for itasr - we can always split it at some point in the distant future if necessary.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on July 21, 2017, 01:16:56 pm
I've got Sardinia drafted, and have begun work on Sicilian routes.

I've fudged some of the places where routes disappear either side of a town, but there's an applied route. However I've kept places where a route is fragmented due to changing number (eg SS125/SS125Var) - in part to highlight how annoying the Italian numbering system can be!
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on July 22, 2017, 12:46:25 pm

I thought you meant your are not going to use the province codes.
I agree you shouldn't use numbers for regions... there are already unofficial three-letter codes there are sometimes used (e.g. SAR for Sardinia, TAA for Trentino Alto Adige, MAR for Marches and so on...)

Why not?

Why not IT-32 or why not 110 provinces?

I think the cryptic code with numbers is not user-friendly.

No need to think about regions or provinces now because Si has decided that we don't split Italy now:

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I'm not going to split Italy - looking at how dense the SS roads are (and how they are hard work), I have no plans for itasr - we can always split it at some point in the distant future if necessary.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on July 27, 2017, 10:55:13 am
First patch of routes from the south is available now: http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?sys=itass :)
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on August 05, 2017, 04:20:03 am
I now have almost routes south of Rome done, as well as routes in the NW and far NE.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: cinx on August 07, 2017, 03:09:19 pm
Great job guys. I can hardly wait to add some new clinched roads :D
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on August 09, 2017, 05:01:29 am
ANAS is in the process of regaining ownership of some roads previously transferred to Regions and Provinces.

Here's the list:
http://www.stradeanas.it/it/conferenza-unificata-libera-al-trasferimento-ad-anas-di-oltre-3500-km-rete-nazionale-e-regionale

Not sure when the actual transfer will take place.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on August 09, 2017, 06:01:13 am
There were (I've only really got the North left to do) various routes in Marche (in particular) that ANAS listed, but didn't have a trace on and had descriptions like "SS456: from ex SS123" with SS123's listing having "from exSS456". I added a couple of them that were more major, even though mapping had them as SR routes, while left the ones I found it hard to trace. However these all seem to be coming back.

I believe Trentino-Sud-Tyrol signs the SS routes its provinces maintain as SS roads, rather than not having any.

And the whole creation of routes would be so much easier if they didn't break every time there was a newish bypass that had a bannered route (mostly Var) or - in the case of SS9 that I did last night - were discontinuous at every town of size mostly because of bypasses in the SS7xx range.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on August 09, 2017, 07:37:24 am
I believe Trentino-Sud-Tyrol signs the SS routes its provinces maintain as SS roads, rather than not having any.

This is true, Trentino and Alto-Adige are autonomous regions, and have a lot of state-like competences. The SS routes there are still named as such, and basically are, even though they are managed by the autonomous provinces.

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And the whole creation of routes would be so much easier if they didn't break every time there was a newish bypass that had a bannered route (mostly Var) or - in the case of SS9 that I did last night - were discontinuous at every town of size mostly because of bypasses in the SS7xx range.

Amen to that...
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on August 12, 2017, 02:18:12 pm
"It ass" is a very good description for this system (is Italian Road Numbering the worst in the EU?), but I 'only' have 50 routes left (unless I find yet more hiding in TAA), so it's almost there with the current lot (obviously there's the new bunch mentioned upthread) and I expect to be finished in the next couple of days.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on August 12, 2017, 04:22:21 pm
(is Italian Road Numbering the worst in the EU?)

You've not yet completed grceo...
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on August 12, 2017, 07:20:27 pm
Greece's isn't as bad - the issues I've found are more to do with alphabet, mountains, and most importantly: poor signage and mapping.

Italy's is logical, reasonably well signed, and most importantly: utterly crazy in its fastidiousness for the rules. This means SS routes going through towns and over passes while the province has bypassed it with a high quality SP road, or routes breaking because they haven't gone and fixed all the chainage markers downstream of an improvement so its SS123-SS123 Var-SS123.

Spain's Autovia/pista numbering comes a very close second with the prefix proliferation, but it doesn't have the annoying features Italy has, save on rare occasion - its sins are different.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on August 14, 2017, 10:51:10 am
SS49 wayppint SS49_S should be renamed to SS49bis. The E66 wp should also be renamed.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on August 17, 2017, 04:42:06 am
The end waypoint of SS77Fol should be renamed SS3 instead of SS3Bis.

Also, SS16 dir/b near Ancona (Marche) is missing from the list.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on August 17, 2017, 03:44:47 pm
SS16 dir/b

dir/b :o really?
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on August 17, 2017, 04:35:28 pm
It's the second Dir route, so 'b'. I deliberately left it off in the hopes that no one would miss this short route that doesn't connect to any other. However I've done it now.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on September 30, 2017, 04:59:51 am
SS1:
New wp @SP128 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.471907&lon=11.235634
New wp @SP105 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.356035&lon=11.591810
SP104 wp is off track and nothing intersects here, it's the beginning of the new A12 section


SS1bis:
Why is it not called by a csv entry?
It ends in Vetrala according to OSM/GM
SS675 wp label is not perfect because SS675 is u/c to be extended to the west by 2018. There will be a new SS675 exit/wp at a different location


SS1civ:
I think it ends anywhere in Roma, see OSM and GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8894711,12.4109196,3a,15y,315.6h,94.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saOAYybCGQjdQFPeCUGyPSw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
New wp @SP15b http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.923027&lon=12.188934
GSJ @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.935994&lon=12.133386
Shouldn't SS698 being extended to SS1 ViaIso wp?


SS1dir:
fine


SSdirGri:
fine


SS1liv:
SP9 should be moved to the junction
SP4Bis or SP4bis ? It's a general issue...
FILI --> SGCFirLiv
FIPI --> SGCFirPisa
A11 --> A11_S
A15 should be moved to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.133793&lon=9.899368
Please add a shape point to A15 south of the exit because both routes look like being concurrent on mapview


SS1rac:
Should be SS1racc with double c?
I tried to find signs on GSV but I couldn't fine one. Should it be removed?


SS1rap:
fine


SS1sav:
Is ViaSanGla really necessary?
SP8_W should be moved to the roundabout
Is ViaGiaCoz really necessary?
Is CorAugMom really necessary?
See SSvarvar for wp label (name)


SS1var:
See SS1Rac for wp label (name)
Shoud it be var/a?


SS1varvar:
IS SSvarvar really signed? It's not indicated on OSM/GM and I couldn*t find a sign on GSV
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on October 02, 2017, 02:34:20 pm
SS3:
GSJ @  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.014026&lon=12.748003
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.923227&lon=12.727693


SS675/E45:
Concurrency is broken twice


SS3bis (and concurrent E45):
SP7_C wp must be moved to the interchange
Exceeds limits b/n SP138_C and ViaPonSor
ViaBas --> SR221?
Not sure if SS219 should be repositioned but SP175_N, StrBra, SP175_S, SS318_N, ViaVal, ViaTra, SP375_N, SP375_S, SP400, ViaTab and ViaRis must be repositioned


SS3nar:
Are you sure about the northern end? OSM and GM indicate it up to SS79/SS675. I had a quick look and found signs at a roundabount in Terni (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5587784,12.6559925,3a,15y,183.21h,86.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOuTMmWrmmFRPrQnnxz1_NQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)


SS4:
Exceeds limits b/n SS685 and SP61
Bac_W: The exit is called "Sud" (South)


SS4dir:
Fine


SS4:
Source? It is not indicated on GM, SP236 on OSM but a SS4 sign (I guess an old sign or meaning "to") on October 2016 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8443252,13.6341048,3a,15y,148.31h,91.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sI0QSslsv7qErIwfYvO0TUA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). I found remove the route if there is no other evidence. I even found SS16/SS18 here: November 2014 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.8495462,13.6339744,3a,37.5y,108.57h,84.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syy9diCt08yXXDzu1ZJOapg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) but there is only SS4 and SS81...
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on October 04, 2017, 04:55:34 am
Some basic general response to these review points before I look at specifics.

My source for endpoints/route existence is the ANAS directory of routes. As such, there are some odd ends and unsigned routes. Signage in Italy is often misleading as to whether it the road number is a 'to', or the actual number, or just outdated. I'll happily extend a short distance to a logical endpoint (eg through a town to another route) if there is a sign.

Rac is indeed Racc, but there's a 3-character Banner limit and 'SPUR' banners have always been Spr and Racc banners have always been Rac
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Duke87 on October 07, 2017, 12:17:00 pm
Linguistic nitpick here: the name of the system should be Strade Statale - the noun and adjective need to match in number and gender.  :)

Una Strada Statala
Due Strade Statale

"Strada Statale" is a singular noun with a plural adjective.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on December 04, 2017, 05:46:51 am
Linguistic nitpick here: the name of the system should be Strade Statale - the noun and adjective need to match in number and gender.  :)

Una Strada Statala
Due Strade Statale

"Strada Statale" is a singular noun with a plural adjective.

Mmm, not really.
The correct forms are: "Una strada statale", "due strade statali". In Italian, noun-adjective concordance does not always mean same ending.

"Una rosa gialla" and "due rose gialle"
but
"Una rosa verde" and "due rose verdi"



It seems there are some other national roads, specified in the ANAS website, which are not in this database.
For instance, NSA 12 di Verrone, NSA 357 della Val Vigezzo, both in region Piemonte. Since I drove NSA 12, I noticed its absence.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on December 31, 2017, 09:51:57 am
SS5 + SS5Ori + SS5Qua:
Fine


SS6:
+X828144 could be removed


SS6Dir:
Fine


SS7 + SS7Cas:
I minimum saw a sign in the roundabout at the current SS7 end. It's confirmed by OSM and GM and routes could be merged but ANAS says NO!


SS7Ben:
SS7_S --> RA9_xxx
GSJ @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.879212&lon=14.986811
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.735161&lon=15.497144
Extends to Potenza according to GSV, GM and OSM but not by ANAS. I should check ANAS first next time...


SS7DirBor:
Couldn't find any "SS7Bis" sign on OSM/GM/GSV (only OSM "SS7quarter")


Remaining SS7xxx:
All fine
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: yakra on January 04, 2018, 11:16:19 pm
A bit late to the party here.
Italy is the first I've been aware (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=2325.msg8630#msg8630) of banners being used outside of North America. (Is there anywhere else?)
The standard in North America has been for every bannered route to have both a City and Abbrev. I like the idea of, for consistency's sake, expanding that to be a sitewide standard. (Not saying there's no way in Centralia you'd convince me otherwise though.)

Similarly, in itaa.csv, maybe
itaa;ITA;A18;Dir;;Diramazione per Catania;ita.a018dircat;A18Cat
->
itaa;ITA;A18;Dir;Cat;Diramazione per Catania;ita.a018dircat;A18Dir,A18Cat
...and the .list name would match the route root.

--There are some cases of unique Route+Banner combinations still having a City & Abbrev, E.G ita.ss027vargig.
Consistency would dictate either losing the City & Abbrev, or adding City & Abbrev to all bannered routes. Again, I prefer the latter approach.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on January 05, 2018, 11:05:10 am
(Is there anywhere else?)

I use ALT banner in combination with city names in Germany (3+3 characters)

http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=289
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on January 06, 2018, 10:00:45 am
SS9Dir:
There is no corresponding SS472 route to SS472 waypoint


SS9Fid:
New wp west of Pontenure (junction to bypass)


SS9For:
SP9? Is it signed anywhere? OSM/GM do not indicate it.


Other SS9 routes:
Fine
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: panda80 on January 26, 2018, 04:05:23 am
What happened withe the italian SS? It dissappeared from the highway browser.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on January 26, 2018, 06:30:12 am
Making bannered routes conform with the rest of the site created loads of errors. I've got a fixed ready to be inputted, so it'll be back tomorrow hopefully.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on January 26, 2018, 01:07:06 pm
I'll continue the peer-review once itass will be back and graphs will be updated in a week or so (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=1904.msg8794#msg8794).
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Jim on January 26, 2018, 01:33:12 pm
@si404 if you can get the pull request in soon (before about 2:15 EST) I can run an extra update to get this system back in the DB.  That would allow me to include graph generation one more time since my students are unlikely to have started working with any graphs yet on the new assignment they just got a couple hours ago.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on January 26, 2018, 03:03:21 pm
No need to rush! I just wanted Si to know that I'll continue soon. It's (shortcut of it ass) is less painful than the next system on my list... korex... Maybe I should continue with svkii or svnr.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on January 26, 2018, 03:39:17 pm
Don't worry about graph creation and the like - the addition of NSA routes (basically unnumbered SS roads that have been numbered with something else) is going to occupy me on this system for a while.

As for peer review - I don't mind if you do continue reviewing itass, but would love korex to be done. As a motorway system with (mostly) numbered exits it is much less of an ass than itass, IMO, plus not doing itass allows me to look at signage and add NSA routes and such like.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on January 26, 2018, 04:12:11 pm
NSA routes (basically unnumbered SS roads that have been numbered with something else)

A system of unnumbered routes? Another tier 4 or tier 5?
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on January 27, 2018, 11:38:39 am
A system of unnumbered routes? Another tier 4 or tier 5?
They are Strada Statale, just not having SS numbers yet (or detrunked yet if heading the other direction), so they are going in itass just as all the green-hexagon roads are in itaa, even if they aren't Axx.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on January 27, 2018, 12:20:48 pm
A system of unnumbered routes? Another tier 4 or tier 5?
They are Strada Statale, just not having SS numbers yet (or detrunked yet if heading the other direction), so they are going in itass just as all the green-hexagon roads are in itaa, even if they aren't Axx.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strade_statali_in_Italia

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NSA (nuova strada ANAS), strade in attesa di classificazione
Google translated:
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NSA (new road ANAS), roads waiting for classification

Sounds similar to future US interstates but there are also "ex" NSA routes. Former SS routes are "future" SS routes now....  ;D

I guess it will be a tier 5 system?

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuova_strada_ANAS
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on February 05, 2018, 03:15:56 am
I think you guys should seriously put a changelog every time you modify route names... now I found myself with a bunch of Italy SS roads with different names and cannot understand what they changed into...
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: si404 on February 05, 2018, 05:17:42 am
Sorry, that's my fault. We have a system that keeps old route names to save people changing them and I didn't employ it. I too need to go and fix my .list file too.

We have a change log for active systems, but not for preview ones, which we do warn that "These may still undergo significant changes without notification." on the front page.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: michih on February 05, 2018, 12:12:43 pm
It's always possible to track down changes on GitHub, even for preview systems. For instance, the latest itass route name changes can be found here (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/commit/8c7d2259c65b66301f3e9cc986e5fbfdffd2cfd9#diff-aca2f4dac82a022c7b889edf4c56feaf).

@Spinoza: If you are not sure, just ask here and I could try to figure out what you have to change.

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General note:
Yes, systems are sometimes very long in preview and undergo a lot of changes, e.g. deub, my first system drafted. I had to learn how to draft systems.
I don't think that we should indicate these changes on the site. That's only done for active systems (http://tm.teresco.org/devel/updates.php) and the list is already quite long. I think we should try to activate systems earlier. More than 1 year is just too much...
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on February 09, 2018, 05:44:34 am
Thank you, I didn't realize itass was still in preview. It makes more sense.

It's always possible to track down changes on GitHub, even for preview systems. For instance, the latest itass route name changes can be found here (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/commit/8c7d2259c65b66301f3e9cc986e5fbfdffd2cfd9#diff-aca2f4dac82a022c7b889edf4c56feaf).
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@Spinoza: If you are not sure, just ask here and I could try to figure out what you have to change.

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General note:
Yes, systems are sometimes very long in preview and undergo a lot of changes, e.g. deub, my first system drafted. I had to learn how to draft systems.
I don't think that we should indicate these changes on the site. That's only done for active systems (http://tm.teresco.org/devel/updates.php) and the list is already quite long. I think we should try to activate systems earlier. More than 1 year is just too much...
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on May 30, 2018, 04:25:36 am
Starting next July 3500 km of regional and provincial roads are going to be transferred to the state (ANAS). If I can find a comprehensive list I will post it here.
Title: Re: Italy Strada Statale (itass)
Post by: Spinoza on August 07, 2018, 10:45:25 am
Starting next July 3500 km of regional and provincial roads are going to be transferred to the state (ANAS). If I can find a comprehensive list I will post it here.

This is the official list of roads that are in the process of being transferred back to ANAS:

http://www.stradeanas.it/it/le-strade/rientro-strade

For now, only roads in Liguria have been effectively transferred back, starting 1st August:
http://www.stradeanas.it/sites/default/files/pdf/REGIONE%20LIGURIA%20-%20STRADE%20DA%20RICLASSIFICARE_20180731.pdf