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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: michih on June 24, 2018, 12:58:46 pm

Title: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on June 24, 2018, 12:58:46 pm
@Si: You have recently started drafting some frasd routes (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/tree/master/hwy_data/FRA/frasd) (not yet in HB though). What's your plan on this?
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on June 24, 2018, 05:03:28 pm
Not really any at the moment. Those 'drafts' are copies from eursf.

I'm looking at doing Russia (World Cup fever) and Greece tier 4, now we have the latin transliterations in the wpteditor, removing a step. And I made some steps with Turkey D roads.

And then there was the couple of hours I spend on finding Tajikistan has its own road numbering rather than using the old Soviet ones (and it will be another hour to sync the continental systems, deal with removing the cis routes).
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on June 25, 2018, 12:22:02 pm
Not really any at the moment. Those 'drafts' are copies from eursf.

Ok. I just asked because I've already clinched 69.90% and I like driving in France and I have to drive through France on my way to UK or Spain. It would be nice to know how far we might go so that I could already add my routes driven to my user list file.

I think adding dual carriageways (more than just freeways but also routes with roundabout) should be a must?!?
Or we could add all "important" routes that means also all routes which are indicated as "primary highways" from OSM (brown) but omit "secondary highways" (yellow)?

I don't ask for adding the routes now but maybe in 2019 or 2020.
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on June 25, 2018, 03:38:58 pm
I'm not particularly on the ball enough to look into that right now.

If you say what routes you are talking about, I can have a look, perhaps, and give either a 'yes, that's the sort of routes this system is meant to be', a 'maybe we can have that sort of thing' or 'no way' response.

Oh, and there are ferries from Hoek van Holland and Ejsberg to the UK, so perhaps you can do some of those dense German, Dutch, Belgian and Danish networks en route to the UK? :P
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on June 25, 2018, 04:18:51 pm
If you say what routes you are talking about, I can have a look, perhaps, and give either a 'yes, that's the sort of routes this system is meant to be', a 'maybe we can have that sort of thing' or 'no way' response.

Ok, I had a look on the region with most dual carriageways, Bretagne:
- D175 north of Rennes
- D173 south of Rennes
- D177 Rennes - Redon
- D112 Brest
- D205 Brest
- Route du Vieux Saint-Marc Brest (eursf, not frasd)
- D100 Quimper
- D365 Quimper
- D785 Quimper
- D465 Lorient
- D222 Saint-Brieuc
- D700 Saint-Brieuc - Loudeac
- D768 Loudeac - Baud (- Auray - Port Maria ?)
- D767 Pontivy - Vannes
- D767 Lannion - Guingamp
- D58 Morlaix - Roscoff
- D168 Dinard - Saint-Malo

Examples for "Primary OSM highways" from the west near Brest:
- D5/D105/D68
- D13
- D788
- D789

The problem is that the dual carriageways are sometimes interrupted. That's why I would go with the "minimum primary OSM highways" order.
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on March 27, 2019, 01:02:53 pm
So France...

The region reform has stabilized enough to not only give names, but ISO3116:2-FR codes that aren't just single letters. There's over 100 potential D roads systems. Grouping by region gives 18 fraxxxd systems with at-most 12-13 actual systems lumped together (precedent for this includes, say the different Stadt route systems in Netherlands).


I'm ignoring M roads (Lyon, Nice and Nantes currently), and Provincial roads in New Caledonia, for now. Plus Regional routes might come into being  :pan:
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on March 27, 2019, 01:26:47 pm
Thanks. Do you just wanna draft systems by region or do you also wanna split France into 18+ regions? We already have 13 TM regions (wlf, spm, reu,...).

btw: Is fracor correct and frht must be renamed?
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on March 27, 2019, 03:52:12 pm
Thanks. Do you just wanna draft systems by region or do you also wanna split France into 18+ regions?
All will be revealed...
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on March 27, 2019, 04:26:48 pm
God will tell us.
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on March 28, 2019, 11:13:56 am
God will tell us.
No, Si will show you (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2699)
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on April 10, 2019, 07:19:24 am
My split French files should be ready when my next pull request goes in. If someone checks that they are all right, then I can replace the non-chopped files with the chopped files.
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on April 10, 2019, 12:12:08 pm
With 2727 (datacheck only) or a future one? What do you expect to be checked? I've noticed that my current number of clinched mileage is far different (97.08% of fraar but 97.61% of fraa; fraar is 2mi longer but I've clinched 36mi less). However, I don't understand how it works that I have fraar mileage at all!?
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: michih on April 10, 2019, 12:13:18 pm
btw: fragesd development is mine :)
Title: Re: Re: Europe Tier-5 systems overview
Post by: si404 on April 10, 2019, 01:22:26 pm
With 2727 (datacheck only) or a future one?
That one - I fixed what I believe was the final discrepancy.
Quote
I've noticed that my current number of clinched mileage is far different (97.08% of fraar but 97.61% of fraa; fraar is 2mi longer but I've clinched 36mi less).
OK, that's interesting - I wouldn't have thought that the difference would be that great.

With today's pull, all of fraar should be concurrent with fraa (which is how anyone has fraar clinched).

Comparing your stats in excel:
A4 - 2.02 miles more clinched in fraa (concurrency error)
A4 - fraar route 0.02 miles shorter
A10 - 8.84 miles more clinched in fraa (concurrency error)
A36 - 4.31 miles more clinched in fraa (concurrency error)
A62 - 6.42 miles more clinched in fraa (concurrency error)
A62 - fraar route 0.04 miles shorter
A71 - 14.36 miles more clinched in fraa (concurrency error)
A71 - fraar route 0.04 miles shorter
A86 - fraar route 2.53 miles longer

and looking at the map:
A4 - issue east of exit 21
A10 - north of exit 26
A36 - I fixed this one
A62 - west of 8
A71 - south of exit 8
A86 - I know what I did here

Obviously we'll need to check this works for the other routes too.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 10, 2019, 03:21:17 pm
Comparing your stats in excel:
A4 - 2.02 miles more clinched in fraa (concurrency error)

I don't get how there can be a concurrency error when comparing fraa and fraar.

A86 - fraar route 2.53 miles longer

Caused by.... more shaping points? Or extension which will be reported with updates entry?

and looking at the map:
A4 - issue east of exit 21
A10 - north of exit 26
A36 - I fixed this one
A62 - west of 8
A71 - south of exit 8
A86 - I know what I did here

???

Obviously we'll need to check this works for the other routes too.

Routes? I guess you mean users?


Anyway, thanks for your work!
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 10, 2019, 03:58:15 pm
The region names within the future D system names should be English, not French!
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on April 10, 2019, 06:07:57 pm
Routes? I guess you mean users?
No, I mean routes - ie fran, eure, etc.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 11, 2019, 10:57:28 am
Is there an issue with concurrencies not quite being as they should that needs to be sorted out? I could potentially help out here...
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 11, 2019, 12:18:11 pm
Obviously we'll need to check this works for the other routes too.

franr is missing N151 from A20 to A77 (~70mi) but there must be another reason why I have 73.4mi less in franr than in fran (N151 is 73mi but I've not traveled the route through Bourgos).

Total system lengths diff is even 74.71mi.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 13, 2019, 01:33:20 pm
It's getting better and better :)

fran: 3009.68 mi out of 5532.54mi
franr: 3009.37mi out of 5532.24mi

0.31mi / 0.30mi missing

eure:  7625.20 of 8417.30 mi
eurer: 7625.20 of 8516.76 mi

It's almost 100mi longer now!?

eursf:  117.72 of 140.08 mi
eursfr: 117.72 of 138.18 mi

1.90mi shorter for any reason.

eurtr:  1.11 of 614.99 mi
eurtrr: 1.11 of 614.99 mi

Looks fine :)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 13, 2019, 11:49:22 pm
fran: 3009.68 mi out of 5532.54mi
franr: 3009.37mi out of 5532.24mi
...
eure:  7625.20 of 8417.30 mi
eurer: 7625.20 of 8516.76 mi
...
eursf:  117.72 of 140.08 mi
eursfr: 117.72 of 138.18 mi
I'll throw some code at this and see what I come up with.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 14, 2019, 02:12:05 am
franr
FRA-IDF N4 D403 IDF/GES has no concurrencies
FRA-GES N4 IDF/GES D375 has no concurrencies
fra.n004 is missing IDF/GES
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E46 D930 NOR/HDF
   FRA-NOR E46 D930 NOR/HDF
   FRA-NOR N31 D930 NOR/HDF
fra.n031 still has +X16

fran
FRA N4 D403 D375 has no concurrencies
FRA N31 D930 +X16 has no concurrencies
FRA N31 +X16 NOR/HDF has no concurrencies
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E50 BRE/PDL 5(A81)
   FRA N157 A81 BRE/PDL
   FRA-PDL E50 BRE/PDL 5(A81)
hwy_data/FRA-PDL/franr/frapdl.n157.wpt is listed in unprocessedwpts.log

eursf
FRA LiaSOMans A11 D309/D326 has no concurrencies
not in eursfr
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 14, 2019, 02:12:24 am
eurer
FRA-HDF E44 D5 HDF/GES has no concurrencies
FRA-GES E44 HDF/GES RueMar has no concurrencies
border point at 49.862499°, 4.249434° in these; fra.e44 has it at 49.862361°, 4.249520°
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E46 D930 NOR/HDF
   FRA-NOR E46 D930 NOR/HDF
   FRA-NOR N31 D930 NOR/HDF
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E50 BRE/PDL 5(A81)
   FRA N157 A81 BRE/PDL
   FRA-PDL E50 BRE/PDL 5(A81)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA A5 A19 +X03
   FRA E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC A5 A19 +X03
   FRA-BFC E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA-GES E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA A5 +X05 19
   FRA E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X05 19
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 19(A5) BFC/GES_1
   FRA A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E54Sen 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-GES E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 BFC/GES_1 +A5(X06)
   FRA A5 BFC/GES +X06
   FRA E511 BFC/GES +A5(X06)
   FRA-GES A5 BFC/GES +X06
   FRA-GES E54 BFC/GES +A5(X06)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
   FRA A5 +X06 +X09
   FRA E511 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
   FRA-GES A5 +X06 +X09
   FRA-GES E54 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
   FRA A5 +X09 20
   FRA E511 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
   FRA-GES A5 +X09 20
   FRA-GES E54 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 A6 +A19(X04)
   FRA A19 +X04 A6
   FRA-BFC A19 +X04 A6
   FRA-BFC E511 A6 +A19(X04)
   FRA-GES E511 A6 +A19(X04)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
   FRA A19 +X03 +X04
   FRA-BFC A19 +X03 +X04
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
   FRA A19 2 +X03
   FRA-BFC A19 2 +X03
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
   FRA A19 +X02 2
   FRA-BFC A19 +X02 2
   FRA-BFC E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
   FRA-GES E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
   FRA A19 +X01 +X02
   FRA-BFC A19 +X01 +X02
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
   FRA A19 1 +X01
   FRA-BFC A19 1 +X01
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 1(A19) A19/A5
   FRA A19 A5 1
   FRA-BFC A19 A5 1
   FRA-BFC E511 1(A19) A19/A5
   FRA-GES E511 1(A19) A19/A5
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA A5 A19 +X03
   FRA E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC A5 A19 +X03
   FRA-BFC E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA-GES E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA A5 +X05 19
   FRA E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X05 19
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 19(A5) BFC/GES_1
   FRA A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E54Sen 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-GES E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 A6 +A19(X04)
   FRA A19 +X04 A6
   FRA-BFC A19 +X04 A6
   FRA-BFC E511 A6 +A19(X04)
   FRA-GES E511 A6 +A19(X04)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
   FRA A19 +X03 +X04
   FRA-BFC A19 +X03 +X04
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
   FRA A19 2 +X03
   FRA-BFC A19 2 +X03
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
   FRA A19 +X02 2
   FRA-BFC A19 +X02 2
   FRA-BFC E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
   FRA-GES E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
   FRA A19 +X01 +X02
   FRA-BFC A19 +X01 +X02
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
   FRA A19 1 +X01
   FRA-BFC A19 1 +X01
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 1(A19) A19/A5
   FRA A19 A5 1
   FRA-BFC A19 A5 1
   FRA-BFC E511 1(A19) A19/A5
   FRA-GES E511 1(A19) A19/A5
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA A5 A19 +X03
   FRA E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC A5 A19 +X03
   FRA-BFC E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA-GES E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA A5 +X05 19
   FRA E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X05 19
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 19(A5) BFC/GES_1
   FRA A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E54Sen 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-GES E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 14, 2019, 02:12:33 am
eure
FRA E44 D5 HDF/GES has no concurrencies
FRA E44 HDF/GES RueMar has no concurrencies
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E46 D930 NOR/HDF
   FRA-NOR E46 D930 NOR/HDF
   FRA-NOR N31 D930 NOR/HDF
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E50 BRE/PDL 5(A81)
   FRA N157 A81 BRE/PDL
   FRA-PDL E50 BRE/PDL 5(A81)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA A5 A19 +X03
   FRA E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC A5 A19 +X03
   FRA-BFC E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA-GES E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA A5 +X05 19
   FRA E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X05 19
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 19(A5) BFC/GES_1
   FRA A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E54Sen 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-GES E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 BFC/GES_1 +A5(X06)
   FRA A5 BFC/GES +X06
   FRA E511 BFC/GES +A5(X06)
   FRA-GES A5 BFC/GES +X06
   FRA-GES E54 BFC/GES +A5(X06)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
   FRA A5 +X06 +X09
   FRA E511 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
   FRA-GES A5 +X06 +X09
   FRA-GES E54 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
   FRA A5 +X09 20
   FRA E511 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
   FRA-GES A5 +X09 20
   FRA-GES E54 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 A6 +A19(X04)
   FRA A19 +X04 A6
   FRA-BFC A19 +X04 A6
   FRA-BFC E511 A6 +A19(X04)
   FRA-GES E511 A6 +A19(X04)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
   FRA A19 +X03 +X04
   FRA-BFC A19 +X03 +X04
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X04) +A19(X03)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
   FRA A19 2 +X03
   FRA-BFC A19 2 +X03
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X03) 2(A19)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
   FRA A19 +X02 2
   FRA-BFC A19 +X02 2
   FRA-BFC E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
   FRA-GES E511 2(A19) +A19(X02)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
   FRA A19 +X01 +X02
   FRA-BFC A19 +X01 +X02
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X02) +A19(X01)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
   FRA A19 1 +X01
   FRA-BFC A19 1 +X01
   FRA-BFC E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
   FRA-GES E511 +A19(X01) 1(A19)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E511 1(A19) A19/A5
   FRA A19 A5 1
   FRA-BFC A19 A5 1
   FRA-BFC E511 1(A19) A19/A5
   FRA-GES E511 1(A19) A19/A5
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA A5 A19 +X03
   FRA E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC A5 A19 +X03
   FRA-BFC E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen A19 +A5(X03)
   FRA-GES E511 A19/A5 +A5(X03)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X03 +X05
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X03) +A5(X05)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA A5 +X05 19
   FRA E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC A5 +X05 19
   FRA-BFC E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-BFC E54Sen +A5(X05) 19(A5)
   FRA-GES E511 +A5(X05) 19(A5)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 19(A5) BFC/GES_1
   FRA A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC A5 19 BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-BFC E54Sen 19(A5) BFC/GES
   FRA-GES E511 19(A5) BFC/GES
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 BFC/GES_1 +A5(X06)
   FRA A5 BFC/GES +X06
   FRA E511 BFC/GES +A5(X06)
   FRA-GES A5 BFC/GES +X06
   FRA-GES E54 BFC/GES +A5(X06)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
   FRA A5 +X06 +X09
   FRA E511 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
   FRA-GES A5 +X06 +X09
   FRA-GES E54 +A5(X06) +A5(X09)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E54 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
   FRA A5 +X09 20
   FRA E511 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
   FRA-GES A5 +X09 20
   FRA-GES E54 +A5(X09) 20(A5)
FRA E511 20(A5) A5/D660 has no concurrencies
FRA E511 A5/D660 D141 has no concurrencies
FRA E511 D141 D610 has no concurrencies
frabfc.e511 & frages.e511 are identical
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 14, 2019, 03:30:48 pm
Not sure if fixing all the redgreen items would eliminate all the flagged concurrencies or not; I only skimmed thru those last two longer lists.
But it should help for a big chunk. Afterwards, I can run the test again (I'll also want to include eurtr/r & fraa/r) and see what we're left with.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 14, 2019, 03:46:08 pm
Once the total mileage (and my personal mileage traveled) will be correct, I think that the other user stats should be correct too.

@Si, I guess that you will provide all new fra list file entries again (http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2230.msg7996#msg7996)? Should we warn user in advance in "Welcome & Notices" and/or on the site?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 14, 2019, 04:03:04 pm
I was not sure whether Jim had refused using the test DB but I guess he didn't (https://github.com/TravelMapping/DataProcessing/issues/205#issuecomment-483050896). I think it was a great idea to have old and new systems in the same DB so that user travels are indicated in all systems due to concurrencies - I finally got it :) - but if we would change to the test DB for the new systems once the systems are identical, we could modify user list files* for the test DB and check that the new list file entries will be correct (compare user stats of test DB and production DB).

@Si, let me know if you need help.


*Not the original files but we could duplicate the 40 files and name them test_michih, test_si404 etc.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: Jim on April 14, 2019, 05:31:58 pm
I wasn't following this too closely as a user with 0 miles in France, but it would definitely have been a good place to use the test DB.  I just haven't done anything with it for a while so the scripts and maybe the DB setup itself might need some cleanup.  At this point, it makes sense to continue the process currently underway, but before any additional countries are broken into regions, I'd like to see if we can get that done with the test DB to avoid some of the admittedly minor issues that have arisen here.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 15, 2019, 06:51:40 pm
Si, have a look at this:
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2742
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 16, 2019, 02:31:03 am
we could duplicate the 40 files and name them test_michih, test_si404 etc.
I'm working on a way to automatically replace lines in .list files. Stay tuned...
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on April 16, 2019, 08:24:50 am
The region names within the future D system names should be English, not French!
OK, so that's just Brittany and Normandy's names changing...

Seriously - we've not Anglicised the new names (cf wikipedia), because we don't do that anymore as it is 'insulting'. Which is odd - it was a badge of honor coming from importance - if we didn't care, we wouldn't make the place name easier for us!

And it's not like we don't have names - Bourgogne has been Burgundy for a millenium, etc. But then the Côte-d’Azur, as a holiday destination, has long just had the French name (see also Spanish Costas).
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on April 16, 2019, 08:30:27 am
Is there an issue with concurrencies not quite being as they should that needs to be sorted out? I could potentially help out here...
Thanks for that - the concurrencies checker you've employed will always be useful.

TBH, it doesn't matter that much if they aren't fully concurrent - what matters is that concurrencies exist within the FRA region, and within the chopped regions. The concurrencies is a way of checking that the chopping has been done correctly - by matching stats and spotting discrepancies.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on April 16, 2019, 08:31:35 am
@Si, I guess that you will provide all new fra list file entries again (http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2230.msg7996#msg7996)? Should we warn user in advance in "Welcome & Notices" and/or on the site?
When we get to that, we get to that.

Obviously there's no rushing in here.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on April 16, 2019, 08:34:52 am
before any additional countries are broken into regions, I'd like to see if we can get that done with the test DB to avoid some of the admittedly minor issues that have arisen here.
Fine. I'd totally forgotten the test database existed!

As you admit, these issues are minor - they mostly come from michih being helpful and ignoring "IGNORE TEST" instructions to help with the process of splitting stuff. I'd argue that they were not even issues.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on April 16, 2019, 08:35:18 am
we could duplicate the 40 files and name them test_michih, test_si404 etc.
I'm working on a way to automatically replace lines in .list files. Stay tuned...
That will be excellent
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 16, 2019, 12:12:04 pm
The region names within the future D system names should be English, not French!
OK, so that's just Brittany and Normandy's names changing...

And Corse :)

Seriously - we've not Anglicised the new names (cf wikipedia), because we don't do that anymore as it is 'insulting'.

? We always did (since TM times) and we always do for all countries and regions. `
Who says that it's "insulting"?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on April 16, 2019, 12:49:18 pm
Seriously - we've not Anglicised the new names (cf wikipedia), because we don't do that anymore as it is 'insulting'.

? We always did (since TM times) and we always do for all countries and regions. `
Who says that it's "insulting"?
By 'we' I mean the Anglophonic people (especially Brits). The English name for Hauts-de-France is Hauts-de-France, rather than Upper France. We stopped creating English exonyms, and rolled back a few.

And yes, I don't get the insult either! At least not here - I get it with stuff like Chennai (nee Madras), but not here. I guess the assumption is that we are au fait enough with French, that we can pronounce it as the natives do, but it mostly seems like we're lazy.

And don't get me started on the mess that is "Bayern Munich"! Especially as we go with Torino, Napoli, Roma, etc despite English exonyms for those cities.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 16, 2019, 12:59:11 pm
Ok, got it. Thanks.

And don't get me started on the mess that is "Bayern Munich"! Especially as we go with Torino, Napoli, Roma, etc despite English exonyms for those cities.

:) Germans mix everything and say "eff zeh" Liverpool instead of "eff si" Liverpool and Arsenal "London" or Chelsea "London" (German with "o" not "ʌ").
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 16, 2019, 06:06:32 pm
Connected routes should be listed in the _con.csv in the same order as the points in the parent, unsplit file, yes?
E.G., fraar;A9;;;fraocc.a009,frapac.a009
----> fraar;A9;;;frapac.a009,fraocc.a009
...because fra.a009 starts at "21", where frapac.a009 starts, proceeding later to "PAC/OCC", where fraocc.a009 starts, etc.

My .list line replacer thingamajig relies on this assumption.
I'll make these changes in my local branch, and continue debugging...

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2750
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 16, 2019, 11:10:27 pm
Is there an issue with concurrencies not quite being as they should that needs to be sorted out? I could potentially help out here...
Thanks for that - the concurrencies checker you've employed will always be useful.

TBH, it doesn't matter that much if they aren't fully concurrent
Assuming by "fully concurrent" you mean all of the segments (ie, everywhere) in each system. The logs were arranged by system mostly because it was easiest to code, the way the data is stored -- iterate thru HighwaySystems, then iterate thru Routes, then iterate thru HighwaySegments...

what matters is that concurrencies exist within the FRA region, and within the chopped regions.
Yes. The chopped systems take care of the chopped regions, and the systems unique to FRA take care of FRA itself.
The checks were restricted to regions beginning with "FRA" to avoid checking outside France in the EUR systems.

The concurrencies is a way of checking that the chopping has been done correctly - by matching stats and spotting discrepancies.
Yep, 'swhat I figured was going on. Every segment in an existing system should have a corresponding segment in a new chopped system, thus every segment should have a concurrency list, with an even number of concurrent segments.
This should be a little more foolproof than checking just the raw mileage stats of each system, as it's possible that a missing border point or extra shaping point could not affect the mileage of the corresponding systems, leaving both of their mileages the same in region.php. Not likely, but possible.

Due diligence:
One missing highway on a given segment yields an odd number of concurrent routes; these cases get flagged. We've found & fixed a few of these.
Two missing highways on a given segment yield an even number of concurrent routes; these don't get flagged. It may not be too likely we've missed anything, but checking for a concurrent same-designated+bannered route in a different region is a good idea.

Toward the future:
Right now, the concurrency checker is hard-coded to check FRA & its systems. I want to adapt it to be useful in the future.
WRT compiling a list of systems, I think the simplest way to do it is to assume a scenario like we saw here: for each "connected" system in the parent country, add 'r' to the end to get the corresponding "chopped" system. Any potential problems with that; shall we make that the "official" way to check concurrencies during a split-up, assuming there are more that will be done? Edit: LOL nevermind; I did it anyway! :D
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 17, 2019, 09:32:10 am
I was checking out the intentionally broken concurrencies just south of the Boulevard Péripherique. Don't know whether E50 is intentionally separate from A6b/E15, but the the point at 1(A6b) should be on both roads, what with the Texas-style inner<->outer sliproads here.

Labels:
frahdf.e15: IDF/HDF -> HDF/IDF
frahdf.a028: ToA16 -> E402_N -- unless, are you not using E routes in labels at all in FRA (sorta like the Trans-Canada Hwy)? Vanilla A16?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 19, 2019, 02:22:25 am
Per a note in dave1693.list (https://github.com/TravelMapping/UserData/blob/c48989b09c17be6028619a8d477f81737ffc6dc6/list_files/dave1693.list#L2530-L2531):
A6a & A6b look like an intentionally broken multiplex. The north endpoint of A106 could match one or the other; matches neither.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: yakra on April 19, 2019, 03:16:10 am
The .list line replacer is complete.
UserData @ d3683391b9af43962eb2c45e2a35718fae559a6b
HighwayData @ 5c83f07fe6f35bbd8544e0c15dc6d494bffcd988

    si404 list (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/list_files/si404.list)  | diff (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/diffs/si404.list.diff)
   michih list (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/list_files/michih.list)  | diff (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/diffs/michih.list.diff)
  dsaneus list (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/list_files/dsaneus.list)  | diff (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/diffs/dsaneus.list.diff) <-- a good example of a very straightforward diff.
everybody lists (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/list_files/) | diffs (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/diffs/)

This assumes that each chopped route in the original full region corresponds 1:1 to a connected route in new chopped regions. From my inspection of the connected route CSVs, this appeared to be the case.

New lines are listed in "canonical" order from the beginning of the connected route to the end, E.G.
FRA N2 FRA/BEL N370
becomes
FRA-IDF N2 N370 IDF/HDF
FRA-HDF N2 IDF/HDF FRA/BEL

I could enhance this so that the "direction" of the original .listed segment is retained, but I'm thinking this is too much labor for too little gain.

GitHub:
https://github.com/yakra/DataProcessing/tree/tmg2_cpp_redo/siteupdate/cplusplus
Or more permanently, here (https://github.com/yakra/DataProcessing/tree/f12c775a9b14b674ca35a8c818c9c397840233a8/siteupdate/cplusplus)


For due diligence purposes, I should probably still add that additional sanity check to the concurrency checker, noted in redgreen text above.
Edit: Done. Looking good.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 20, 2019, 02:35:43 am
I could enhance this so that the "direction" of the original .listed segment is retained, but I'm thinking this is too much labor for too little gain.

Thanks. I think it's fine. Is data automatically updated with Jim's site updates? I guess it's not and it should be fine.
We would just need to update it once again before the split is going live and copy the latest user list file entries to the forum so that each traveler can catch his lines (to preserve data long-term because some user do rarely check our site).

I like the idea with old entry commented and new lines directly subsequent.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on April 20, 2019, 12:48:12 pm
Is data automatically updated with Jim's site updates? I guess it's not and it should be fine.
Correct, not updated with Jim's site updates.
I only added this feature to the C++ siteupdate program, with no plans to add it to siteupdate.py.
One option could be to temporarily add a line to localupdate.sh, but I can just keep on updating these manually as HighwayData & UserData get updated; this will be easy.

We would just need to update it once again before the split is going live and copy the latest user list file entries to the forum so that each traveler can catch his lines (to preserve data long-term because some user do rarely check our site).
Rather than add all that text to the forum, maybe just keep the new .lists on the server, and keep a link in the forum?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on April 20, 2019, 02:43:18 pm
We would just need to update it once again before the split is going live and copy the latest user list file entries to the forum so that each traveler can catch his lines (to preserve data long-term because some user do rarely check our site).
Rather than add all that text to the forum, maybe just keep the new .lists on the server, and keep a link in the forum?

I'd prefer copying to the forum (only 43 travelers). Files might be deleted or moved to a different directory...
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on April 21, 2019, 07:06:30 am
All my figures are fine now except of the total eure mileage:
eurer: 8525.33mi
eure in FRA: 8421.43mi (copied from my log file (http://travelmapping.net/logs/users/michih.log))

Have I missed anything?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on April 21, 2019, 09:04:54 am
FRH E25 is not counted in eure in FRA, but is (as FRA-COR E25) in eurer.

One thing I noticed by looking at http://travelmapping.net/logs/unprocessedwpts.log is that frabfc.e27 is unused. When I investigated, it seems I erroneously created a fraara.e27 file as well and put that in the .csvs. Fixed that, and the A391, which I also put in the wrong region. Not seen other, similar errors.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on April 21, 2019, 09:23:46 am
Why don't you add FRH E25 to the active eure system?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on April 21, 2019, 09:33:58 am
Why don't you add FRH E25 to the active eure system?
It is in there - it's just not in the region FRA (but is in the country FRA).
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on April 21, 2019, 10:21:19 am
Got it :) The different is 0.01mi now :D rounding error caused by different tools?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on April 21, 2019, 10:50:18 am
Probably a rounding error caused by having that one extra item to add before rounding off. Certainly I didn't find any discrepancies in figures for route lengths.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on April 21, 2019, 12:03:16 pm
Latest concurrency checks look good.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on June 16, 2019, 04:19:53 pm
@Si, since you are currently "out of order"... I guess you won't split France "soon"? Can we eliminate the "ignore test systems" for the time being to fix the incorrect stats issue on the production site*? Once you are back, we can test it on tmtest data base.

I could delete the lines if you can't.

*And fixing the graphs issue so that Jim's students can use them correct.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on June 17, 2019, 04:26:09 am
That's a good idea. Thanks.

Oh and if anyone wants to start doing D roads, go ahead. Make departmental systems until we work out how we'll do the merging (maybe the abbreviation as two digit code, department name in the name field?)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on June 18, 2019, 12:48:07 pm
if anyone wants to start doing D roads, go ahead.

I couldn't find official route lists. Well, I don't speak French so... I wasn't really able to search... panda speaks French (and he is in France right now for vacation), I hope that he can search for lists when he's back home.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 14, 2019, 04:03:45 am
I've started drafting routes. I couldn't find lists for Grand Est except for the one's which will merge in 2021. I've started in Île-de-France with department Yvelines (78) now. D1 to D39 are done: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2959

I have some issues we should clarify first:
3x Boul:
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n162.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 3: BoulFraMit http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.283578&lon=-0.615706
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n2043.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 2: BoulPin http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.730577&lon=4.887671
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n088rod.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 38: BoulMarLan http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.944878&lon=2.160959


10x Bou:
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n186orl.wpt (2 hits)
   Line 2: BouMidi http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.753515&lon=2.374592
   Line 4: BouCirE http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.753473&lon=2.361460
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n137.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 31: BouReneCas http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.262223&lon=-1.583362
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n151.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 15: BouRep http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.090842&lon=2.393646
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n007val.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 48: BouReneCoty http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.531178&lon=4.745750
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n100.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 6: BouMidi http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.949265&lon=4.770791
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n102aub.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 32: BouPas http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.555983&lon=4.686742
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\eursf\fra.d037.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 7: BouLouXI http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.376151&lon=0.651369
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\eursf\fra.tunpra.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 2: BouChaLiv http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.291373&lon=5.365963
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\frasd\done\fra.d003737.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 7: BouLouXI http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.376151&lon=0.651369

45x Blvd:
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n1569.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 3: BlvdTheAub http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.588147&lon=4.990003
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n149.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 16: BlvdPar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.665106&lon=-0.236592
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n012.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 37: BlvdHarNoe http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.520904&lon=-2.748020
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n013.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 44: BlvdMan http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.653418&lon=-1.578705
  ..\HighwayData\hwy_data\FRA\fran\fra.n013neu.wpt (1 hit)
   Line 1: BlvdPer http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.878419&lon=2.280543
+ 40x in fraa, eure,...

@Si, Do you wanna change them?


btw: Ave is used 63x, Av is not used
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on July 14, 2019, 10:16:21 am
Quote
How do we label department borders? I'm gone with the department numbers, e.g. "78/92", but I don't think that we should go this way. Suggestions?
Shouldn't we go with the same abbreviations used in .list file names, E.G. IDF/(whatever)?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on July 14, 2019, 11:01:40 am
At regional boundaries sure, but each region on the mainland has multiple departments.

Three letter abbreviations so Yvl/HdS for 78/92?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 14, 2019, 11:02:19 am
Quote
How do we label department borders? I'm gone with the department numbers, e.g. "78/92", but I don't think that we should go this way. Suggestions?
Shouldn't we go with the same abbreviations used in .list file names, E.G. IDF/(whatever)?

There are 18 regions but almost 100 departments. Île-de-France (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Ele-de-France#Departments) consists of 8 departements and I talk about the department borders. We distinguish the wpt files by banner field. For instance, fraidf.d000178.wpt is D1 in Yvelines department (FRA-78 code) in Île-de-France region (FRA-IDF).
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 14, 2019, 11:10:34 am
Three letter abbreviations so Yvl/HdS for 78/92?

For IDF:
Paris = Par = FRA-75
Seine-et-Marne = SeM = FRA-77
Yvelines =Yvl = FRA-78
Essonne = Ess = FRA-91
Hauts-de-Seine = HdS = FRA-92
Seine-Saint-Denis = SSD = FRA-93
Val-de-Marne = VdM = FRA-94
Val-d'Oise = VdO = FRA-95

I don't know whether we would have a duplicate name anywhere. It doesn't matter as long as they are not neighboring departments ending up with Abc/Abc labels :)
Let's have a try!
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on July 14, 2019, 02:15:24 pm
Ah ok, departments not regions. A smaller entity. In the US there are some routes ending at county lines; those are just truncated to 3 letters.
http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?units=miles&u=yakra&r=ny.norstapkwy
http://travelmapping.net/hb/?units=miles&u=yakra&r=ny.gracenpkwy
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on July 15, 2019, 07:13:55 am
There are 18 regions but almost 100 departments.
Currently exactly 100.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 15, 2019, 08:52:38 am
In the US there are some routes ending at county lines; those are just truncated to 3 letters.

yep, that's the way we should go - and hope that there are no duplicates.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on July 15, 2019, 09:16:08 am
yep, that's the way we should go - and hope that there are no duplicates.
If there are, we can borrow the "either add a 4th letter to a 3-letter part of one of the labels, or choose 3 different letters for that label" rule.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on July 15, 2019, 01:15:38 pm
There can be duplicates, just as long as they don't both share a bordering department. I think there might be one in NAQ that could have a slight issue, but other than that, we're fine.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 15, 2019, 03:36:16 pm
The first system, Île-de-France Routes Départementales (fraidf) will be "in devel" with the next site update. 109 routes of Département Yvelines (ISO-3166-2 code: FR-78) and 1 route of Département Val-d’Oise (FR-95). The department numbers are used as banner.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on July 15, 2019, 05:52:23 pm
I see fraidfd.csv lines like
fraidfd;FRA-IDF;D115;Yvelines;Hou;Houdan;fraidf.d011578hou;
This would result in .list lines like FRA-IDF D115YvelinesHou D61 IDF/CVL
Additionally, The DB field for Banner only allows 6 characters. (https://github.com/TravelMapping/DataProcessing/issues/56)
Was this needed for some kind of disambiguaton?

Are route numbers ever duplicated in different departments in the same region? If not...
• Department names could be moved to the city field, getting more detailed (E.G. "Houdan, Yvelines") as needed.
• Department numbers as a "banner" within the filename could be nixed. IMO these are less user friendly, being smushed right up against the route number, and counterintuitive for those of us who like to access a route in the HB by typing its URL (and r= argument) directly into the browser address bar.

Somehow I forgot the answer was Yes long enough to type all that out. :P
fraidfd;FRA-IDF;D142;Yvelines;;;fraidf.d014278;
fraidfd;FRA-IDF;D142;Val-d’Oise;;;fraidf.d014295;

These two can be concatenated into a single route.

I should rephrase:
Are route numbers ever duplicated in different departments in the same region, other than as a single route crossing department boundaries?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 16, 2019, 12:57:31 pm
I see fraidfd.csv lines like
fraidfd;FRA-IDF;D115;Yvelines;Hou;Houdan;fraidf.d011578hou;
This would result in .list lines like FRA-IDF D115YvelinesHou D61 IDF/CVL

No, it's crap. I forgot to think first  >:(

It should be read:

fraidfd;FRA-IDF;D115;78;Hou;Houdan;fraidf.d011578hou;
And have .list lines like FRA-IDF D11578Hou D61 IDF/CVL

I don't like it though.

Would this work?

fraidfd;FRA-IDF;D115;-78;Hou;Houdan;fraidf.d011578hou;
And have .list lines like FRA-IDF D115-78Hou D61 IDF/CVL

Thoughts?


Somehow I forgot the answer was Yes long enough to type all that out. :P
fraidfd;FRA-IDF;D142;Yvelines;;;fraidf.d014278;
fraidfd;FRA-IDF;D142;Val-d’Oise;;;fraidf.d014295;

These two can be concatenated into a single route.

I thought that I should spilt it because it's a dep. border but from a region point of view... I could merge it but I think it would not work with our wpt file names where the last 2 digits refer to the dep. number.
@Si, what do you think?

I should rephrase:
Are route numbers ever duplicated in different departments in the same region, other than as a single route crossing department boundaries?

Not sure what you mean, but I think YES. Numbers are only unique within each department.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: Jim on July 16, 2019, 01:24:59 pm
If I am understanding correctly, this is significantly different from anything we've done before, since the routes are being divided up by region but broken up within a region by department, even if they're the same route.  It sounds like this might be analogous to trying to get a set of country routes within New York State without treating counties as the region subdivisions.  Since numbers can be repeated in different counties, all routes would be required to have the county name specified.  And if there's a county road that crosses department borders but retains its number, it would still be broken into multiple wpts (but I assume treated as a continuous route in the _con.csv).

Assuming what I state above is correct, I don't see why the frad system is not a single system much like how we treat usai and usaus, where we still break routes across regions.  Maybe the regions play a more significant role here that means this should be 14 different systems.  If they're more like the equivalent of our U.S. state routes, but at the department region, shouldn't the departments become the regions?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 16, 2019, 02:41:43 pm
Jim, you're right and I fully agree. I also thought that we should
a) split France into 100 departments (awful) or
b) have just one frad system

In addition, I like the idea of splitting France into regions because we did the very same for other European countries with similar size: UK, Germany and Spain. Italy might be another candidate.

However, France is Si's region and he decides.


I agree that it would be nice to threat routes as a continuous route in the _con.csv if the route number is not changing at dep. borders. Any objections?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on July 16, 2019, 02:55:58 pm
Splitting mainland France in 94 is excessive. A single system would be huge. There's going to be very few that cross the department lines. Where it's something that just dips over the boundary, treat as if one route?

Dashes work well.

As for being something new - somewhat, I guess. We split off places like GLP, MTQ, PYF rather than did one integrated system (ditto NIR and all that). But nods is several different numbering systems and we just merged them together into one system.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 16, 2019, 03:03:34 pm
nods?

I agree that 94 regions would be awful and that a single system for mainland France only would be odd since GLP, MTQ do also have their own systems. Regions are a good compromise.
Is a compromise really best-of-both-worlds though? Maybe I mean "second-best-of-both-worlds approach." Bleah. Semantics. ;)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 16, 2019, 03:10:29 pm
There's going to be very few that cross the department lines.

I had a quick look at Yvelines (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Liste_des_routes_d%C3%A9partementales_des_Yvelines_(78)). There are 15 situations where the number is not changing at the dep. border. It's more than "very few".

Where it's something that just dips over the boundary, treat as if one route?

If you talk about "simple" dep. borders - not region borders - and we'll have one D system per region, I'm in favor of threating them as one route in _con.csv.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on July 17, 2019, 02:58:00 am
Yvelines is an exception as it is half a department that split in the 60s. Therefore it forms a coherent system with the other half. This and one other are the only places where this happens.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on July 17, 2019, 02:35:12 pm
I don't like the numeric codes. Just looks too much like part of a route number, even with a dash (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?units=miles&u=null&r=la.la00641).
A three-letter abbreviation would be a better mnemonic, for people who'd want to look up a route, or remember what exactly a specific .list file refers to. I doubt people would want to memorize the numeric codes. I think it'd be more in line with people's expectations based on the way Route+Abbrev or Route+Banner+Abbrev have been working so far.
It just looks better!
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on July 17, 2019, 03:02:52 pm
Eric, I think you are underestimating the French love of their two digit codes - they appear on licence plates prominently (everyone stays away from 75, and to a lesser extent the 9xs as they are Parisians who drive like maniacs), they appear as the beginning of postal codes, many are part of the culture. But other than that, your points are good.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 17, 2019, 04:02:24 pm
I'm also not happy with the numeric codes but think that Si is right. And I like these numbers more than 3-letter abbreviations made by us.

I just need to add another 30 routes and Yvelines will be done. The first out of 94 mainland departements. I think it is a good test. There is something in the HB now and we can discuss how they other departement routes should be drafted.


The "threat routes as a continuous route in the _con.csv if number does not change at departement borders" thing does not work since there can be still additional routes in different departements of the same region which are not continuously. We need an unique route name within the region and anything must be indicated as banner.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 19, 2019, 08:30:46 am
I made a list of departement abbreviations (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/FRA/README.md) to be used for border labels. Any objections?

We found some shp files and @yakra converted them using GISplunge.
I've added source and wpt file (output directory (http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/gisplunge/FRA/)):

We could comment it when we find more sources. We can also copy the list(s) to a forum post and add colors.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 20, 2019, 01:38:22 pm
Yvelines is completed and I've started with Seine-Saint-Denis (departement 93) now.


N410 was downgraded to D941 in 2006. The remaining segment starts at D24 and ends at A1, see wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_410#Trac.C3.A9s_historiques). D941 is indicated on OSM and it's confirmed by the official map (https://geoportail93.fr/?LAYERS=13&BASE=0&BBOX=259637,6261063,263388,6262928). Signs do still show N410 (2018 GSV). However, there are more former N routes in Paris region which are still signed. Since we draft D routes now, I'd like to truncate N410.

Edit: Same for N301, only the ramp to A1 is still N route, rest is D901, see wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_301#Trac.C3.A9_historique).

Any objections?

@Si: If nobody has objections, do you wanna deal with N410 truncation or should I do it?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on July 27, 2019, 02:46:11 pm
N515 was downgraded in 2006. I cannot find any sign on GSV, GM does not indicate any number, OSM just indicates it being on/off ramps of A15. wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_515) indicates it being unsigned D515: 'La D515 (95) à Saint-Ouen-l'Aumône, non-signalée sur le terrain.'

I've not (yet) added it to fraidld system. No TM user has traveled it yet. @Si: Your decision.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on July 30, 2019, 04:58:17 am
My next pull will have the following updates:

2019-0x-xx;France;N301;fra.n301;Route truncated at north end from D29 to D901
2019-0x-xx;France;N410;fra.n410;Route truncated at west end from A86 to D24
2019-0x-xx;France;N515;;Route deleted
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 01, 2019, 03:24:30 pm
I've also checked the status of the other N routes in IDF on wikisara:

N1: will be replaced by A16 in late 2019 (leave as-is for now)
N4: extends to the next roundabout at west end
N7: Segment from A106 to AirOrly should be D7 (91 - Essone) according to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_7#Trac.C3.A9s_historiques)
N13 (N13neu in fra folder): Only segment BlvdPer to A14 (wp no. 4) should be N13 according to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_13#Trac.C3.A9s_historiques). Current wp no. 4 to no. 12 should be D993
N19: will be relocated onto bypass later this year (leave as-is for now)
N188: Only A10 ramps seem to be dedicated as N188, rest should be D188 (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_188#Trac.C3.A9s_historiques), I'd fully removed N188 since there is no junction at the end of route
N192: Should still exist according to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_192) but wikipedia (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_nationale_192) and OSM indicate it being downgraded to D992.
N314: Last segments have been downgraded in 2017 according to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_314#Trac.C3.A9s_historiques)
N330: Should be extended at south end to the first A140 interchange. A140 should be truncated. Please refer to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_330#Trac.C3.A9_historique)
N1013: Still exists according to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_1013) but it's not on the wikipedia (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_routes_nationales_de_France#Routes_nationales_826_%C3%A0_9463) list. OSM indicates N1013 and D913
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: bhemphill on August 03, 2019, 03:11:35 pm
The N13neu point A14 does not line up with the A14 point 1.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 03, 2019, 03:34:42 pm
Thanks. It already didn't match before the latest updates by Si and me. I think that A14 wp location (@D7) is correct. @Si, let me know if I should fix it.

The problem is that the one-way D993 (former N13 which was truncated now) has two branches here. The D993 wp won't line up with A14/N113. I've not yet added D993 route at all since there are many routes in that area and their routing is quite challenging.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 04, 2019, 07:37:34 am
The wpt files are named:

region name + ".d" + 4-digit route number + 2-digit departement index + ".wpt", e.g.:
fraidf.d001094.wpt
Île-de-France + D10 + Val-de-Marne (94)

If there are more than one route in the departement, we add the 3-digit "city" abbreviation, e.g.:
fraidf.d001094vil.wpt
Île-de-France + D10 + Val-de-Marne (94) + Villers-sur-Marne

If a route name has a prefix, it could be added at two position, e.g. for D10 (93):
fraidf.d0010e93.wpt or
fraidf.d001093e.wpt

If there are more than one route, it's like:
fraidf.d0010e93pav.wpt or
fraidf.d001093epav.wpt


Github sorts option 1 well but Windows shows all routes with route prefix first and routes without prefix below.
With option 2, all routes would be sorted subsequently on Windows. I think that Github would also keep it this way.

I'd like to have it identical for all French regions.

Should I use the first or the second option?


btw: I sort the region csv files by departements not just by route numbering for the whole region.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on August 05, 2019, 02:39:17 pm
Not sure I fully understand this.
Are both of these options turning a prefix into a suffix, or...?
What does the e mean? How are these cases signed?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 05, 2019, 03:28:07 pm
Are both of these options turning a prefix into a suffix, or...?

Suffix? No suffix at all...

What does the e mean? How are these cases signed?

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.2257981,2.7083772,3a,75y,22.91h,93.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq4rDyBwrKjo3x2Z6YR9qUg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Liste_des_routes_d%C3%A9partementales_du_Val-d%27Oise_(95)#Pr.C3.A9sentation

Exposant    Désignation    Exemple(s)
A    Annexe    D47A, D55A
B    Barreau de liaison    D84B
B3    Bretelle numérotée selon un numéro d'ordre    D915B3
D    Déviation    D4D
E    Embranchement    D151E, D193E
E1    Embranchement suivi d'un numéro d'ordre    D4E1, D4E3
P    Prolongement    D109P, D192P
Y    A déterminer    D922Y
Z    Ancien tracé dévié    D922Z, D927Z

I've generally skipped the "numéro d'ordre", for instance, D4E1 is just D4E.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on August 06, 2019, 04:49:08 am
nods?
autocorrected nlds - it's a system that is really several systems smoothed together.

The D123E thing - the E is sort of a banner, but that's awkward. Treat it as part of the number rather than dumping it at the end. I know it mucks up the file sorting a little on certain platforms.

PS: change the A14/N13 point.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 14, 2019, 03:10:39 pm
I have a little issue in departement Essonne (91): N20 is indicated on all maps but it was "downgraded" to D route in 2006, please refer to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_française_20):

Quote
La route nationale 20, ou RN20, est une route nationale française qui reliait historiquement Paris à l'Espagne via les villes suivantes          [...].
Seul le parcours entre Pamiers et Bourg-Madame est actuellement classé dans la voirie nationale, le reste de l'itinéraire étant absorbé ou dédoublé par des autoroutes.
Google translated:
Quote
National Route 20, or RN20, is a French national road that historically linked Paris to Spain via the following cities: [...].
Only the route between Pamiers and Bourg-Madame is currently classified in the national road network, the rest of the route being absorbed or divided by highways

And wikipedia (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_nationale_20_(France)):

Quote
Le décret du 5 décembre 20051 ne prévoit le maintien — en tant que route nationale — que de la partie la plus méridionale de la route, entre le débouché de l'A66 et l'Espagne (départements de l'Ariège et des Pyrénées-Orientales).
Le reste de l'ex-RN 20 est déclassé et remis à chaque département respectif pour devenir une route départementale (renommée RD 2020, RD 920, RD 820, RD 420, RD 320, RD 220 ou RD 120 selon les cas).
Google translated:
Quote
The decree of 5 December 20051 provides for the maintenance - as a national road - only of the southernmost part of the road, between the outlet of the A66 and Spain (departments of Ariège and Pyrénées-Orientales ).
The rest of the former RN 20 is decommissioned and given to each department to become a departmental road (renamed RD 2020, RD 920, RD 820, RD 420, RD 320, RD 220 or RD 120 as appropriate).

Former N route are also quite often still signed in the field in other departements (of IDF region), see GSV, but I could always find a D number. But I cannot find anything for N20 in Essonne. Even wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_20#De_Paris_.C3.A0_Vierzon_.281824_.C3.A0_2006.29) still indicates 'N20' where they usually indicate the actual numbering, e.g. D920 in Hauts-de-Seine and Val-de-Marne, D2020 in Eure-et-Loir, Loiret, Loir-et-Cher and Cher.

wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Essonne_(91)#Autoroutes.2C_voies_express.2C_routes_principales) has it as a "yellow N20" in their voie express list  :o

We don't have the route in HB yet - which is fine since it doesn't belong to fran system - and I tend to draft it as 'N20' but put it to fraidfd system.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 15, 2019, 05:41:57 am
Same situation for N7 in Essonne. And there seem to be similar cases according to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_7#D.C3.A9classements_effectu.C3.A9s_en_2006):

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À noter la renumérotation originale dans les départements des Bouches-du-Rhône (D7n) et du Var (DN7). Ces désignations particulières spécifiques à ces deux départements ont été choisies pour conserver l'appellation RN7, à grande valeur symbolique. L'Essonne (91) a quant à elle choisi de ne pas renuméroter la route nationale déclassée, ce qui est source de confusion quant à son statut réel.
Google translated:
Quote
Note the original renumbering in the departments of Bouches-du-Rhône (D7n) and Var (DN7). These special designations specific to these two departments have been chosen to retain the RN7 designation, which has a high symbolic value. Essonne (91) has chosen not to renumber the declassed national road, which is confusing as to its actual status.
:)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on August 15, 2019, 06:44:49 am
It's a total mess, but this is what you get if you number roads by who maintains them (see also the mess the other side of the Alps, and (to a lesser extent) the Pyrenees).

It seems that the IDF departments didn't really want the downgrades, or don't really care about signage. Probably a bit of both.

Add in that N7 is the French route 66 type famous route and downgrading any of it was seen as controversial.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 15, 2019, 10:44:55 am
I've generally skipped the "numéro d'ordre", for instance, D4E1 is just D4E.

I've changed my mind since there are a lot of routes in Seine-et-Marne (77) with "numéro d'ordre". For instance, there are D32, D32E2, D32E3 and D32E4, or D55, D55B, D55E, D55E1, D55E4 and D55EB, or D137, D137E, D137E2, D137E3 and D137E4.
Title: Re: Split France into regions
Post by: michih on August 18, 2019, 03:58:48 am
I found two issues about the "split into regions" action.

A16 goes into IDF again, the "border section" should be as follows:

Code: [Select]
N1/N184 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.103123&lon=2.266660
11 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.127109&lon=2.253426
12 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.149742&lon=2.247434
IDF/HDF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.153396&lon=2.244856
HDF/IDF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.164654&lon=2.231284
IDF/HDF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.172038&lon=2.227864
13 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.209607&lon=2.156625

A77 is also not 100% correct on leaving IDF. It should be read as follows:

Code: [Select]
A6 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.217153&lon=2.773619
17 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.172554&lon=2.766795
IDF/CVL_1 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.163910&lon=2.760731
CVL/IDF_1 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.162661&lon=2.759199
IDF/CVL_2 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.161155&lon=2.757622
CVL/IDF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.153733&lon=2.752805
IDF/CVL_3 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.142244&lon=2.741325
+X02 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.127143&lon=2.712765
A19 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.060328&lon=2.671480

@Si, let me know if I should deal with it and find section names.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 18, 2019, 05:40:47 am
I've completed drafting the first mainland system for the metropolitan region Île-de-France around Paris. It is the smallest but most populated mainland region with 8 departements. fraidfd system has more than 5,500mi with more than 1,200 routes. Paris departement (75) does not have D routes.

wikisara is a good source but there's a lack of overview articles for many departements. I've edited the url manually and found a lot of articles. However, there is usually no full list of routes. I've included everything confirmed by wikisara and OSM/GM. If OSM/GM were incomplete, I've checked GSV.
There's also a map (geoportal (https://geoportail93.fr/?LAYERS=13) for Seine-Saint-Denis which is also fine but sometimes different to OSM/GM. I've only drafted routes according to the map and have ignored what OSM, GM or wikisara indicate.

Main issues are outdated old signs, especially for old N routes, and inaccurate GM and OSM data. GM often indicates the old N route old, OSM and GM often extend D route numbers from a departement into the next departement. That means, the number doesn't change on OSM but there is often no evidence that the route is a D route in the second departement. Or there is a different number but OSM and GM indicate the wrong one.

Routes are often downgraded to "communal" roads. I've usually ignored the fact if the route through the town is clear (confirmed by OSM and GM). I haven't drafted routes which are indicated on wikisara being completely downgraded but indicated on OSM and GM. I have included similar routes if there is no wikisara article for the route though.

In general, I would not rely on OSM in France! We should minimum find another source, e.g. GM. If both are identical, it usually seems to be correct. I press the "OSM" button in wpt editor and report the issue to OSM maintainers when I find incorrect data. I hope it will be fixed one day to avoid having to check routing again and again in the future.


Some notes to routes of "active" systems:

Shouldn't N415 wp "N1" be renamed since there is no N1 route (in HB)?

N441 should be truncated at north end according to wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_441) (confirmed by OSM)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 23, 2019, 04:22:57 pm
I've started drafting fragesd system for Moselle departement (57). Since departements 67 and 68 will be merged, and we'll have to wait for their new numbering, I have a temporary system for each departement. This way, it's also possible to bring it to preview earlier - when, let's say 300 routes are drafted instead of waiting till more than 1,000 routes are drafed.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on August 25, 2019, 11:30:22 am
Could glpd, gufd, mtqd, mytd and reud go to preview?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on August 25, 2019, 07:35:32 pm
Let me know anytime you'd like me to do the automated Multiplex checks again.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on September 01, 2019, 02:19:13 pm
I've started drafting fragesd system for Moselle departement (57).

I've just realized that from 2020-01-01 some route segments will be dedicated as M routes: https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Metz_M%C3%A9tropole#En_g.C3.A9n.C3.A9ral (M1, M6, M7, M11, M69, M157A, M157B, M603, M643, M652, M657, M903, M913, M953, M954, M955, M999) The D and M segments are indicated on the wikisara articles, e.g. D1/M1 (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_d%C3%A9partementale_fran%C3%A7aise_D1_(57)) but OSM still shows D routes. The articles have just been changed last week :(

Quote
Depuis le 1er janvier 2020, la partie de cette route qui se situe dans la métropole de Metz a été reclassée en tant que route métropolitaine en conservant son ancienne numérotation, soit M1.
Google translated:
Since January 1, 2020, the part of this road that is located in the metropolis of Metz has been reclassified as a metropolitan road retaining its old numbering, M1.

I tend to ignore that fact first. We'll face similar situations in other regions too, e.g. in Nice. @Si: Have you realized that some A6 and A7 sections in Lyon have been dedicated to M6/M7 and that there are already new signs on-site? How do we wanna deal with M routes in general?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on September 01, 2019, 03:18:24 pm
I tend to ignore that fact first. We'll face similar situations in other regions too, e.g. in Nice.
Just put them in with the D? cf Spain having several systems (espa, espcn, espga, espib, espn, esppv) with different prefixes. Just put the French for "Department and Metropolis Routes" as the system description, rather than "Department Routes".

Quote
@Si: Have you realized that some A6 and A7 sections in Lyon have been dedicated to M6/M7 and that there are already new signs on-site?
I hadn't realised they'd been resigned now (didn't know their numbers either). I'd been checking every few months since the legal orders removing national status from them were made. Will investigate further...
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on September 01, 2019, 03:34:20 pm
Just put them in with the D? cf Spain having several systems (espa, espcn, espga, espib, espn, esppv) with different prefixes. Just put the French for "Department and Metropolis Routes" as the system description, rather than "Department Routes".

I'll keep them as one D route for the time being.

I hadn't realised they'd been resigned now (didn't know their numbers either). I'd been checking every few months since the legal orders removing national status from them were made. Will investigate further...

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=161805172&postcount=4527

btw: Do you wanna split France "soon" (after activation of the Spanish systems)?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on September 20, 2019, 03:39:24 am
http://travelmapping.net/hb?r=guf.d001 has a duplicate label "D3" which cannot be used right now.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on September 23, 2019, 10:08:12 am
I've just realized that from 2020-01-01 some route segments will be dedicated as M routes: https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Metz_M%C3%A9tropole#En_g.C3.A9n.C3.A9ral (M1, M6, M7, M11, M69, M157A, M157B, M603, M643, M652, M657, M903, M913, M953, M954, M955, M999) The D and M segments are indicated on the wikisara articles, e.g. D1/M1 (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_d%C3%A9partementale_fran%C3%A7aise_D1_(57)) but OSM still shows D routes. The articles have just been changed last week :(

Same issue with departement 54: https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/M%C3%A9tropole_du_Grand_Nancy
I'll also ignore M2, M32, M71, M83, M112, M321, M400, M570 and M974. To be checked later.



GES departement Moselle (57) is in preview now.
GES departement Meurthe-et-Moselle (54) is in devel.


@Si, I still have to submit some wpt files but I don't touch fraa, fran, eure nor eursf routes. You can go ahead with the French separation when you have time.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: dave1693 on September 27, 2019, 05:38:28 pm
Dammit, France, you're being worse than Ontario was... I am deliberately not updating my .list to include anything further in France until this settles down. I'm quite certain that I'll have some routes that were D routes in 1978, some D routes and maybe some M routes that were N routes in 1978, and heaven knows what A routes I've traveled are getting downloaded to M routes...
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on September 28, 2019, 03:13:55 pm
I'd like to bring it here:

I've given michih FRA-IDF and FRA-GES, while taking FRA-COR, FRA-CVL, FRA-PDL and FRA-BRE for myself. These regions will exist properly when France is split sometime soon.

So, you also wanna get rid of maintenance of the regions? I thought only developing frad systems. But fine to me. Need to ask panda80 what regions he wants.

I wanna add that I'll not starting maintenance works before the split is done (and/or I'll back from my travel).

Actual situation:

FRA, FRH - si404 (legacy regions)
FRA-BRE, FRA-COR, FRA-CVL, FRA-PDL - si404
FRA-ARA, FRA-BFC, FRA-HDF, FRA-NAQ, FRA-NOR, FRA-OCC, FRA-PAC - si404 (nominally)
FRA-GES, FRA-IDF - michih

I'd like to take FRA-HDF and FRA-BFC since they are next to my other regions (FRA-IDF, FRA-GES, BEL, LUX, DEU, CHE). I would have the "northeastern part" of France.
Si has the three western / central regions but FRA-NOR is "in-between". Thoughts?

If Si or I would take Normandy, panda could have the "whole south": FRA-ARA, FRA-NAQ, FRA-NOR, FRA-OCC and FRA-PAC - almost 50% of the whole mainland area but mountainous. Thoughts? (I might take ARA too)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on October 17, 2019, 06:40:47 am
Let me know anytime you'd like me to do the automated Multiplex checks again.
Yes please. With Spain tier-5 done, it's time to split France.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on October 17, 2019, 05:42:00 pm
I need to look at my own code and have a refresher.
0 concurrent segments with same name+banner in different region: FRA A16 IDF/HDF_2 13
This kind of output may be fine, may be what I intended, but I just want to be sure.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on October 17, 2019, 05:54:09 pm
I need to look at my own code and have a refresher.
0 concurrent segments with same name+banner in different region: FRA A16 IDF/HDF_2 13
This kind of output may be fine, may be what I intended, but I just want to be sure.
That seems correct - there is a hidden_junction error on that section due to the broken concurrency. I've put in a pull request that fixes this.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on October 17, 2019, 06:24:10 pm
I thought for a moment it might be listing the total number of concurrent segments (which would be bad for a 0), not just those other than the listed segment itself.
I'll change it to say "FRA A16 IDF/HDF_2 13 has 0 concurrent segments with same name+banner in different region(s) (1 expected)" so clearer language won't trip me up next time.
And will merge in your pull request before running it again.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on October 17, 2019, 07:04:40 pm
These may not be the results we're looking for. Stay tuned.

eursf-concurrencies.log, eurtr-concurrencies.log & eurtrr-concurrencies.log are all 0 bytes, so nothing out of the ordinary there.

eure-concurrencies.log
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA A10 4 5
   FRA E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF A10 4 5
   FRA-IDF E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA-IDF N20-91 4(A10) 5(A10)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E15 ToA10 5(A6)
   FRA A6 ToA10 5
   FRA-IDF A6 ToA10 5
   FRA-IDF D118-91 A6(5) A6_N
   FRA-IDF E15 ToA10 5(A6)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA A10 4 5
   FRA E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF A10 4 5
   FRA-IDF E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA-IDF N20-91 4(A10) 5(A10)

eurer-concurrencies.log
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA A10 4 5
   FRA E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF A10 4 5
   FRA-IDF E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA-IDF N20-91 4(A10) 5(A10)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E15 ToA10 5(A6)
   FRA A6 ToA10 5
   FRA-IDF A6 ToA10 5
   FRA-IDF D118-91 A6(5) A6_N
   FRA-IDF E15 ToA10 5(A6)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA A10 4 5
   FRA E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF A10 4 5
   FRA-IDF E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA-IDF N20-91 4(A10) 5(A10)

eursfr-concurrencies.log
FRA-ARA AutSol 33(M6) 34(M6) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 34(M6) 35(M6) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 35(M6) +X53 has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol +X53 36(M6) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 36(M6) 37(M6) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 37(M6) 38(M6) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 38(M6) 39a(M6) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 39a(M6) 39b(M6) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 39b(M6) M6/M7 has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol M6/M7 1(M7) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 1(M7) 2(M7) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 2(M7) 3(M7) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 3(M7) 4(M7) has no concurrencies
FRA-ARA AutSol 4(M7) A7/A450 has no concurrencies

fraa-concurrencies.log
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E15 ToA10 5(A6)
   FRA A6 ToA10 5
   FRA-IDF A6 ToA10 5
   FRA-IDF D118-91 A6(5) A6_N
   FRA-IDF E15 ToA10 5(A6)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA A10 4 5
   FRA E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF A10 4 5
   FRA-IDF E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA-IDF N20-91 4(A10) 5(A10)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA A104 9 D934
   FRA-IDF A104 9 D934
   FRA-IDF D934-77 A104_N A104_S

fraar-concurrencies.log
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E15 ToA10 5(A6)
   FRA A6 ToA10 5
   FRA-IDF A6 ToA10 5
   FRA-IDF D118-91 A6(5) A6_N
   FRA-IDF E15 ToA10 5(A6)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA A10 4 5
   FRA E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF A10 4 5
   FRA-IDF E50 5(A10) 4(A10)
   FRA-IDF E5 4(A10) 5(A10)
   FRA-IDF N20-91 4(A10) 5(A10)
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA A104 9 D934
   FRA-IDF A104 9 D934
   FRA-IDF D934-77 A104_N A104_S

fran-concurrencies.log
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N3 D422_E D404_S
   FRA-IDF D404-77 N3_N N3_E
   FRA-IDF N3 D422_E D404_S
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N3 D27_N D27_S
   FRA-IDF D27-77 N3_W N3_E
   FRA-IDF N3 D27_N D27_S
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N4 D15_N D204
   FRA-IDF D15-77 N4_W D204
   FRA-IDF N4 D15_N D204
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N4 D204 D15_S
   FRA-IDF D15-77 D204 N4_E
   FRA-IDF N4 D204 D15_S
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N4Sar D104A_N D104A_S
   FRA-GES D104A-57 N4_W N4_E
   FRA-GES N4Sar D104A_N D104A_S
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N6 D136_E D136_W
   FRA-IDF D136-94 N6_S N6_N
   FRA-IDF N6 D136_E D136_W
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N10Ram D13/D213 D13_W
   FRA-IDF D13-78 N10_S N10_N
   FRA-IDF N10 D13/D213 D13_W
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N52Rom D52A_W D52A_E
   FRA-GES D52A-57 N52_S N52_N
   FRA-GES N52Rom D52A_W D52A_E
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N52Rom D9_W D9_E
   FRA-GES D9-57 N52_S N52_E
   FRA-GES N52Rom D9_W D9_E
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N104Gou 90 D909
   FRA-IDF D9-95 90(N104) D909
   FRA-IDF N104Gou 90 D909
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N104Gou D909 Att
   FRA-IDF D9-95 D909 Att
   FRA-IDF N104Gou D909 Att
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N104Gou Att D9E
   FRA-IDF D9-95 Att D9E
   FRA-IDF N104Gou Att D9E
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N104Gou D9E 93
   FRA-IDF D9-95 D9E 93(N104)
   FRA-IDF N104Gou D9E 93
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N118 8 9
   FRA-IDF D446-91 8(N118) 9(N118)
   FRA-IDF N118 8 9

franr-concurrencies.log
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N3 D422_E D404_S
   FRA-IDF D404-77 N3_N N3_E
   FRA-IDF N3 D422_E D404_S
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N3 D27_N D27_S
   FRA-IDF D27-77 N3_W N3_E
   FRA-IDF N3 D27_N D27_S
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N4 D15_N D204
   FRA-IDF D15-77 N4_W D204
   FRA-IDF N4 D15_N D204
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N4 D204 D15_S
   FRA-IDF D15-77 D204 N4_E
   FRA-IDF N4 D204 D15_S
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N4Sar D104A_N D104A_S
   FRA-GES D104A-57 N4_W N4_E
   FRA-GES N4Sar D104A_N D104A_S
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N6 D136_E D136_W
   FRA-IDF D136-94 N6_S N6_N
   FRA-IDF N6 D136_E D136_W
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N10Ram D13/D213 D13_W
   FRA-IDF D13-78 N10_S N10_N
   FRA-IDF N10 D13/D213 D13_W
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N52Rom D52A_W D52A_E
   FRA-GES D52A-57 N52_S N52_N
   FRA-GES N52Rom D52A_W D52A_E
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N52Rom D9_W D9_E
   FRA-GES D9-57 N52_S N52_E
   FRA-GES N52Rom D9_W D9_E
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N104Gou 90 D909
   FRA-IDF D9-95 90(N104) D909
   FRA-IDF N104Gou 90 D909
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N104Gou D909 Att
   FRA-IDF D9-95 D909 Att
   FRA-IDF N104Gou D909 Att
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N104Gou Att D9E
   FRA-IDF D9-95 Att D9E
   FRA-IDF N104Gou Att D9E
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N104Gou D9E 93
   FRA-IDF D9-95 D9E 93(N104)
   FRA-IDF N104Gou D9E 93
Odd number of concurrencies:
   FRA N118 8 9
   FRA-IDF D446-91 8(N118) 9(N118)
   FRA-IDF N118 8 9


^ These may not be the results we're looking for. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on October 17, 2019, 08:18:24 pm
Quote from: systems.csv
fraa;FRA;France Autoroutes;blue;1;active
fran;FRA;France Routes Nationales;lightsalmon;4;active
fraar;FRA;IGNORE TEST France Autoroutes with Regions;blue;1;preview
franr;FRA;IGNORE TEST France Routes Nationales with Regions;lightsalmon;4;preview
I originally wrote the code to expect stuff like this.

Quote from: systems.csv
fragesd57;FRA;Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Moselle);yellow;5;preview
fraidfd;FRA;Île-de-France Routes Départementales;yellow;5;preview
fragesd54;FRA;Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Meurthe-et-Moselle);yellow;5;devel
Routes Départementales. Entirely new systems, to remain after the split as they are now. No counterparts in FRA.
Right?
The simplest thing for me to do is just comment these out while running the concurrency checks.

Quote from: systems.csv
fracort;FRA;IGNORE TEST Corsica Routes Territoriales with Regions;lightsalmon;4;preview
fracort : frht :: fraar : fraa?
My code would expect "frhtr" as the system code, but no big deal; this is in FRH, not FRA, and so doesn't affect the main split (of FRA) I'm testing.
A quick shell script to compare FRH/frht/ vs FRA-COR/fracort/
Code: [Select]
wpts='t010.wpt t011.wpt t012.wpt t020.wpt t021.wpt t022.wpt t030.wpt t040bon.wpt t040.wpt t050.wpt t101.wpt t201.wpt t202.wpt t203.wpt t204.wpt t205.wpt t301.wpt t401.wpt t402.wpt'
for wpt in $wpts; do echo $wpt; diff FRH/frht/frh.$wpt FRA-COR/fracort/fracor.$wpt; done
and they look fine.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on October 17, 2019, 08:38:33 pm

Quote from: systems.csv
fragesd57;FRA;Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Moselle);yellow;5;preview
fraidfd;FRA;Île-de-France Routes Départementales;yellow;5;preview
fragesd54;FRA;Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Meurthe-et-Moselle);yellow;5;devel
Routes Départementales. Entirely new systems, to remain after the split as they are now. No counterparts in FRA.
Right?
The simplest thing for me to do is just comment these out while running the concurrency checks.
Commented out those three systems and ran it again.
AutSol is in eursfr but not eursf. Other than that, everything looks fine.
How should we proceed with list files?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: Jim on October 17, 2019, 08:50:56 pm
Should I proceed as usual with tonight's site update, or are things in a transitional state right now?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on October 17, 2019, 09:25:21 pm
Nothing transitional AFAIK, that should hold back from an update.
The 6 test systems, added Mar 28 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/commit/ca7a9062b987c52cccfefa4e1809730e741a4b2a) and commented out again Jun 17 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/commit/ba9fd6a18a037459ff245599adae59523c8ea453), are back to Preview for testing (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/commit/4a2e9f2976d8b381f3c5eafedeb6f08564a0fa2b) as of yesterday. This can gum up graph files a bit.
However, this is already in master and in the HB. All that's new I believe is the pull request (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3236) Si mentioned above.

Yeah, let's do it. (Si?)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: Jim on October 17, 2019, 10:42:14 pm
OK, launching...
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: yakra on October 17, 2019, 11:09:37 pm
lists at http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/20191017/list_files/
diffs at http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/20191017/diffs/

For simplicity's sake, I've deleted .lists & .diffs where there was no diff from the original .list file.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on October 18, 2019, 07:53:59 am
Quote from: systems.csv
fragesd57;FRA;Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Moselle);yellow;5;preview
fraidfd;FRA;Île-de-France Routes Départementales;yellow;5;preview
fragesd54;FRA;Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Meurthe-et-Moselle);yellow;5;devel
Routes Départementales. Entirely new systems, to remain after the split as they are now. No counterparts in FRA.
Right?

yep!
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on October 18, 2019, 07:58:58 am
@Si, I'm surprised about the N88 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3236) update. Is 25 (https://github.com/si404/HighwayData/blob/0a73804d359c453027d8a1b30a90b47b064e33a0/hwy_data/FRA/fran/fra.n088rod.wpt#L27) really intended? It's the wp in Baraqueville and no voie express exit. Why 25 and not Avenue du Centre? I need the wp since I only drove the old route.

Edit: And the wp is off ;)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on October 18, 2019, 08:17:25 am
@Si, I'm surprised about the N88 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3236) update. Is 25 (https://github.com/si404/HighwayData/blob/0a73804d359c453027d8a1b30a90b47b064e33a0/hwy_data/FRA/fran/fra.n088rod.wpt#L27) really intended? It's the wp in Baraqueville and no voie express exit. Why 25 and not Avenue du Centre? I need the wp since I only drove the old route.
It's one of those ones where, after copying it into a text editor, you notice an exit number, and rather than mucking around with the editor, you do it manually in the text file and do it on a similarly named and similarly located wpt.

It should be the D997 point that's given the 25 label. 25 still has it's original label of D911 as a hidden label, which will return to be its primary label once my fixes go in as the next bit is due to open 'Late 2019' and so I can't be bothered to change it for a few weeks before it gets removed.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on October 18, 2019, 09:02:40 am
Fine to me. However, the next section is due to open 'Summer 2020'.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on October 18, 2019, 09:58:14 am
Fine to me. However, the next section is due to open 'Summer 2020'.
Not according to this list (https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=128577828&postcount=4)!  :P
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on October 18, 2019, 03:17:05 pm
fixed :)
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on October 26, 2019, 10:28:52 am
What are the remaining steps for the split into regions? Can I help on anything?

Sorry, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the progress on peer-reviews and don't wanna complain nor put pressure on anyone but since we already have the ignore test systems live and stats are falsified, I wish we could focus on this.
E.g. my total mileage in FRA for active systems is 10.000mi but for active+preview systems just 5.000mi. I don't know why and don't know whether anything else is also wrong. I think we had a matter with graphs upthread.....
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on October 26, 2019, 10:36:10 am
If we need to postpone the split, we could use http://tmtest.teresco.org/ for testing the ignore test systems and remove them from the production server.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on October 26, 2019, 03:42:29 pm
What are the remaining steps for the split into regions? Can I help on anything?
Warn people. Do it.

Have I missed anything?

Lets focus on getting this done by the end of the month
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on November 01, 2019, 06:22:25 am
Now France is split, I am (or will be soon) responsible for four regions.

@Si, do you plan to deal with the data check errors for whole France or should I already take care for my regions?

I guess that most data errors are just FPs. I think it would be best* if you could manage all at once (all French and Spainish regions) including NMPs. But let me know if you don't agree.....

*Because we had to modify the same files and since they are not yet sorted by regions, we could get Github conflicts.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: si404 on November 01, 2019, 06:42:14 am
I'll do all the datacheck errors.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on November 04, 2019, 02:07:37 pm
2 out of 9 systems in Grand-Est are in preview now:
http://travelmapping.net/hb?sys=fragesd54 Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Meurthe-et-Moselle)
http://travelmapping.net/hb?sys=fragesd57 Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Moselle)

I'll likely continue with Grand-Est Routes Départementales (Vosges), no. 88

Since there is no official list for GES D routes, I have to rely on wikisara, OSM and GM. It's possible that I missed routes. Let me know when you find missing routes in dep. 54 or 57.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: panda80 on November 05, 2019, 05:12:27 am
Is there a chance to automatise the splitting of the .list files, like it was done with ESP and DEU?
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on November 05, 2019, 04:39:21 pm
Is there a chance to automatise the splitting of the .list files, like it was done with ESP and DEU?

Sure, see here: http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3278

You've not changed your list file since October 23 and you could just download this file: http://yakra.teresco.org/tmtools_demos/splitregion/20191027/list_files/panda80.list

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I know you're currently quite busy, but.... Do you already know which regions of France you wanna take?

FRA, FRH - si404 (legacy regions)
FRA-BRE, FRA-COR, FRA-CVL, FRA-PDL - si404
FRA-ARA, FRA-BFC, FRA-HDF, FRA-NAQ, FRA-NOR, FRA-OCC, FRA-PAC - si404 (nominally)
FRA-GES, FRA-IDF - michih

I'd like to take FRA-HDF and FRA-BFC since they are next to my other regions (FRA-IDF, FRA-GES, BEL, LUX, DEU, CHE). I would have the "northeastern part" of France.
Si has the three western / central regions but FRA-NOR is "in-between". Thoughts?

If Si or I would take Normandy, panda could have the "whole south": FRA-ARA, FRA-NAQ, FRA-NOR, FRA-OCC and FRA-PAC - almost 50% of the whole mainland area but mountainous. Thoughts? (I might take ARA too)

If you already know that you'll have less time in 2020, I'd take FRA-NOR and FRA-ARA.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: panda80 on November 06, 2019, 06:39:27 am
Thanks for the tip with the download link, replaced the file.

Until the end of the year it will be difficult to find a big amount of time for TM, but the situation will change in 2020. I will start with FRA-NAQ and FRA-OCC, if you are faster with your regions, can take any of the other ones.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on November 07, 2019, 02:38:10 pm
I'll do all the datacheck errors.

I won't touch any route of active systems before it's done to avoid Github conflicts.

N19 route file of GES has the wps from BFC and contrary.
Title: Re: France Routes Départementales (frad)
Post by: michih on November 09, 2019, 12:27:49 pm
IDF departements have about 180 D routes on average. Extrapolating to 100 departements, French D routes might encompass about 18,000 routes in the end. However, GES departements have about 500 D routes on average...

In total, we have 33,000 routes for all active systems now, and 50,000 for active+preview systems all over the world.