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Highway Data Discussion => Updates to Highway Data => Topic started by: rickmastfan67 on June 22, 2016, 08:19:11 am

Title: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 22, 2016, 08:19:11 am
Shown as an official interstate on the FHWA (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/national_highway_system/interstate_highway_system/routefinder/table01.cfm) along I-55, I-240, I-40.  However, no signage in the field (except a few 'Future Corridor' signs).

We have it on the site as a 'Future Interstate' (http://tm.teresco.org/hb/?r=tn.i069futmem).  However, do you guys think we should convert it to a full Interstate and just consider it as an 'Unsigned Interstate'?  If I remember correctly, the only part of that file that wasn't approved is the 'TN-300' part at the Northern end, and only that would stay as a Future Interstate.
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: Jim on June 22, 2016, 08:21:46 am
I think we should be consistent, which means include it like all unsigned interstates.
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: froggie on June 22, 2016, 08:04:48 pm
That Route Log update seems very sloppy of FHWA, given other entries on it that haven't even come close to paperwork and issuance (like I-685 AL).  I'd be hesitant to take it as gospel.
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 22, 2016, 11:04:31 pm
That Route Log update seems very sloppy of FHWA, given other entries on it that haven't even come close to paperwork and issuance (like I-685 AL).  I'd be hesitant to take it as gospel.

Well, with I-69 in Memphis at least, they did get approval from the AASHTO and the FHWA for this.  TDOT just seems to be lazy and doesn't want to post any signage.
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/SIGNEDTENNESSEELETTERI-69I-55.pdf

So, I think, at least with I-69 between MS and TN-300, should be converted to a full Interstate, and be considered as a 'hidden'.  The section between I-40 to US-51 (along hidden TN-300) should stay as a "Future Interstate".  Comments?
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 27, 2016, 03:23:00 am
That Route Log update seems very sloppy of FHWA, given other entries on it that haven't even come close to paperwork and issuance (like I-685 AL).  I'd be hesitant to take it as gospel.

Well, with I-69 in Memphis at least, they did get approval from the AASHTO and the FHWA for this.  TDOT just seems to be lazy and doesn't want to post any signage.
http://route.transportation.org/Documents/SIGNEDTENNESSEELETTERI-69I-55.pdf

So, I think, at least with I-69 between MS and TN-300, should be converted to a full Interstate, and be considered as a 'hidden'.  The section between I-40 to US-51 (along hidden TN-300) should stay as a "Future Interstate".  Comments?

Ok, I've made the changes that I outlined above.  Promoted I-69 to full (hidden) Interstate status between Mississippi and TN-300's interchange with I-40.  Keeping the part that's along TN-300 as 'future' as wasn't part of the FHWA approval for posting.

Does anybody see anything wrong with the pull request?
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/646
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 01, 2016, 08:34:31 pm
No objections people?
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: froggie on July 02, 2016, 12:21:50 pm
I would object unless/until we have some sort of documentation from TDOT that they acknowledge I-69 exists.
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 02, 2016, 06:45:15 pm
Would this email that I got back in response to I-69 signage in March 2011 count?  This was from a Steve Chipman in TDOT.

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James,

I apologize for the delay.  You ask a very good question.  The reason why we have not signed I-69 along existing routes, I-55/I-240/I-40, is because it would be a big project to undertake at this time with the existing economic conditions as they are today.  We do not see a benefit in signing existing routes until more of I-69 is completed.  It would require modifying overhead and ground mount signs, added cost for surveying/establishing locations, developing a plan, and securing funding.  Your suggestion to post an "End I-69" sign at the state line might have merit.  I will past this on for consideration and to see if it is possible.
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: froggie on July 03, 2016, 08:26:12 am
Not really, unless they actually posted the END I-69 sign.  Given past precedent, we should be looking for one of the following:  A) on an official map, B) signage, or C) in a route log.
Title: Re: TN: I-69 in Memphis
Post by: SSOWorld on July 04, 2016, 03:15:37 pm
It's obvious to me that TDOT does not care about this matter  ::)