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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: michih on September 23, 2019, 02:46:20 am

Title: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on September 23, 2019, 02:46:20 am
The system is in preview for almost six months now and Si has indicated it being ready for review. The system covers more than 18,000 miles and I've agreed with panda80 that we'll review it together. We'll likely start the peer-review by the end of the year.

ENG reviewer: michih (11,800mi)
SCT reviewer: panda80 (4,400mi)
WLS reviewer: panda80 (1,700mi)

I think that the source is this: https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Category:B_Roads (note: it's only indicates as A roads source on credits.php)

Anyone is welcome to post additional remarks to the system here.
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 22, 2019, 04:42:17 am
B104:
SNChuSt_W -> SNCSt_W ?


B106:
A109 is off


B113:
Correspondig wp to A102's PonSt


B118:
A107_S is off


B125:
A12 -> A12/A102


B142:
A12 -> A12/A102


B148:
Correspondig wp to A127's HighSt
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: si404 on October 22, 2019, 06:21:35 am
B104:
SNChuSt_W -> SNCSt_W ?
I'm going to say no. The 'SN' is only there as there was not allowed to be two road names the same in the County of London (that became defunct in 1964) and is merely the 'Stoke Newington' place descriptor of 'Church Street'. This is in alignment with the manual's example of "Martin Luther King Boulevard becomes MLKingBlvd".

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B125:
A12 -> A12/A102


B142:
A12 -> A12/A102
Given this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5450013,-0.0343469,3a,16.6y,88.14h,86.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEbi59_ANJdOvGDZgXKWoqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) on the A102 was going to be the mostly likely end of the concurrency split to show the A102 (much more important south of the A12 than north of it), but it doesn't actually have it, I have split the A102 instead.
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 22, 2019, 02:44:17 pm
You 'have split the A102 instead'? Not sure that I get you right. It's concurrent to A12 here, it's not split. Do you wanna split A102 now?


B155:
A109/A1080 is off


B158:
A414 -> A119/A414


B159:
A112 wp (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?r=eng.b0159) is interesting. There are two branches and you've put the end point to the one which is one-way only. It seems that both are dedicated (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B159). Shouldn't we move the wp to a position between both of them, still on A112 route, like A193 on B143 (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?r=eng.b0143)? Or into the triangle (I don't like it)? At least, the end point of the northern branch would be better than the southern one.
I'd like to know how we wanna deal with this before I continue the peer-review. Thanks.
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: si404 on October 22, 2019, 05:23:28 pm
You 'have split the A102 instead'? Not sure that I get you right. It's concurrent to A12 here, it's not split. Do you wanna split A102 now?
I've split the A102 - one bit north of the A12, one bit south. They function as two different roads and, since the A12 'uselessly' extended along the former motorway section of A102, might as well be different roads. I'd only kept them together as I assumed that the A102 was signed at Hackney Wick down the A12 like 'Blackwall Tunnels (A102)'. The concurrency changes dominant routes too - the A106 (from the A12 northbound at Hackney Wick, it's signed as (A102) - ie not the A102) as well as the A12 are the dominant routes - which is something that, when I find, I break a route up if I've not already - unless I find exceptional circumstances, like the concurrency being signed (eg The A10 around Cambridge (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1583572,0.0992977,3a,16.1y,52.04h,86.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH5uUs-dILRsI1hUGWrKGFg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)).

Should point out - joined up along the A12 the route is 6.82 miles. The northern section is 1.02 miles, the southern section 3.00 miles. So 41% of the route is concurrency on a unsplit route.
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B159:
A112 wp (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?r=eng.b0159) is interesting. There are two branches and you've put the end point to the one which is one-way only. It seems that both are dedicated (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B159). Shouldn't we move the wp to a position between both of them, still on A112 route, like A193 on B143 (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?r=eng.b0143)? Or into the triangle (I don't like it)? At least, the end point of the northern branch would be better than the southern one.
Moved it to the northern one, which is two-way. Treating the one-way spur as a slip lane.
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2019, 10:24:03 am
Remaining 100s:

B161:
Until early 2018 it began on the A112 Leyton High Road, heading southeast along Francis Road to reach Warren Road. This section has now been declassified and partly pedestrianised.  (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B161)


B165:
Split B167 wp


B169:
Move A112 to the center of the roundabout
A110 is off


B173:
Move A113 to the center of the roundabout


B174:
A12 -> A12/A125


B177:
A12 is a little bit off


B179:
A112 -> A112/A406


B180:
B181 is off
B1004 is off


B183:
HamRd -> BroSt


B184:
A113/A114 -> A128/A414
A11 -> A11/A1301
B1051_W is off
B1051_E is off


B188:
RorRd -> RowRd


B197:
A1000 -> A1000_anything
A602 -> ToA602 or Monkswood Way
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2019, 10:24:43 am
200s

B209:
A2211 -> A206


B213:
A2016 is off


B219:
A2214/A2215 is off


B222:
A215/A2214 is off but I agree that it should be just one wp


B226:
A2218 -> A2212


B229:
A3 -> A3/A205


B230:
A222 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.408807&lon=-0.025122


B234:
A5 -> A5/A205


B243:
Does not exist (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B243) between A222 and A232, split route


B256:
A226 -> A226_W


B258:
WadRd -> WalRd


B263:
Split A222 wp?


B266:
A212 is off


B269:
PilLn is off
B270 is off, should be in the center of the triangle


B270:
A22 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.310109&lon=-0.077867 for corresponding WesRd
WesRd -> WesRd_E


B271:
A237 is off


B272:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.386151&lon=-0.139968 for corresponding A23 wp FarRd
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.352738&lon=-0.137436 for corresponding B271_E wp
A236 is off
A2022 is off


B274:
A212 is off


B278:
WryGrn -> WryGreRd


B288:
A2022_E is off
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2019, 10:25:05 am
300s

B304:
I'd consider A3218 as being off


B306:
B349 is off
A219 -> A219/A308


B311:
Move A319/A322 to the center of the roundabout
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.322407&lon=-0.721453 for corresponding OldBisRd wp @ B3015


B326:
Needs an own wp @ A202, split off from A202/A3213 wp


B349:
A306 is off


B350:
A3003 is off


B351:
Move SheGate to the junction with Fife Road


B353:
A307_S is off


B358:
A313 is off
A309_S -> CheAve


B369:
A3050 is off


B375:
What's about the second branch (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B375) in Chertsey, new route?


B382:
Move A245 to the center of the roundabout


B383:
Split A329 into 2 wps ?


B386:
UpdHill -> UpdHill_S


B389:
StoRd -> StrRd
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2019, 10:25:29 am
400s

B401:
A40/A401 -> A401


B413:
WarAve -> WarAve_S


B416:
A4/A412 -> A4/A332


B425:
B4102 -> B4025/B4102, it's a point in use


B430:
A34 is a little bit off


B439:
A46 -> A46/A435


B453:
Move A407 to the center of the roundabout


B454:
A315/A310 -> A310/A315


B462:
I'd split the A411/A4008 off


B466:
I'd move A40/A437 wp to the main carriageways of A40


B470:
B3022 is a little bit off


B471:
A329 is a little bit off


B474:
A404 is off, should be the eastern roundabout


B477:
Split A4/A3032 or move the wp between the junctions


B480:
A4130 is off


B481:
I'd consider A4155 being off
Move A4130_E to the center of the roundabout


B482:
A4155 is off
TheRow is off


B489:
A41 is off
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2019, 10:25:51 am
500s

B518:
Exceeds limits b/n B517 and A400


B519:
ToA1 -> NorRd


B526:
A45/A508 -> A43/A45


B530:
SteRd is off (and concurrent A5120)
A5134/A5141 is off
Is the concurrency with A5120 signed? Split route into two?


B531:
A421/A428 -> A6/A421
A5141 is far off, should be at Britania Road. The current position should be a normal wp of A5141


B552:
A5109_W is off


B556:
StAlbRd_S is off


B560:
A428 -> A6/A428


B569:
A5001 is off
A509 is off


B573:
A45(11) is off
A45(13) -> A45/A509


B573ear:
A45 is off


B581:
A47 is off
A536 -> A526

B582:
A426_N is off
A5199_S is off
GarRd_E is off


B585:
Move A511 to the center of the roundabout


B586:
Move A514 to the center of the roundabout


B587:
Exceeds limits b/n NotRd_N and AshRd
A514 is off


B591:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.712095&lon=-1.288681 heading to A50 i/c
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2019, 10:26:16 am
600s

B600:
A608_S is off
A608_N is off


B645:
A1 is off


B653:
Lem -> LemVil
Move B652_W to the center of the roundaboug


B655:
Move A505 to the center of the roundabout
HighSt -> CodRd ?

B658:
A600 is off
Move HitRd to the center of the roundabout


B659:
A600 is off


B664:
A427 is off
ValRd -> VlyRd ?


B667:
A47 is off


B668:
Move A606 to the center of the roundabout


B669:
Extends at north end according to https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B669 + OSM
A14 -> A6/A14


B672:
StaRd -> SeaRd
Split off A47 wp ?
A47 -> A47/A6121


B676:
Sho -> ShoLn (concurrent A6006 too)
SaxRd is off (concurrent A6006 too)
Move A1 to the overpass ? for instance, A14 wp 26 where B1040 intersects is similar and at the overpass


B679:
New wp for A52 ramp


B684:
Extends at south end
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2019, 10:26:52 am
1000s

B1002:
A12(12) -> A12/A1023
A12(15) -> A12/A414


B1004:
AldRd -> AlbRd


B1007:
DowRd is off
A13 -> A13/A1013
A176_S wp needs to be added to A176
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.557133&lon=0.422343 to match B1036's FloWay wp


B1009:
BadRd_E is off


B1010:
B1018_W is off


B1012:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.651412&lon=0.623410


B1013:
WhiRd -> ComWay


B1018:
Split B1389 into two wps


B1019:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.759961&lon=0.633130 to match B1018's HatRd wp


B1021:
B1018_E -> BurRd_N


B1024:
+X713286 is off
A1124 is off


B1025:
AbbRd is off


B1026:
Exceeds limits b/n +X837948 and MalRd


B1029:
A133 is off
VicPl -> QueSt or anything else
Does it extend to the south and meet the route at LowParkRd again? (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1029)


B1032:
A133 is off
B1033 is off


B1033:
ElmTreeAve is off


B1035:
SwaRd -> SwanRd
PilHallLn is off


B1038:
LonRd -> StaRd
Split B1368 into 2 wps
B1383 is off


B1039:
B1368 is off


B1040:
Exceeds limits b/n A6001 and B1042_W


B1040:
Split B1046 into 2 wps - my rule of thumb is that one wp is fine when the junctions are "overlapping" - the "asphalt triangles" of the junctions 8)
ChuSt, isn't it a branch of B1040 (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1040)?
MeaRd -> MeaLn
B1096 is off
+X717006 is off
A14 -> A14/A1096

B1043Sti:
A14 is off
A1M(15a) is off route
A1M(15) is... fine


B1044:
Check route through Huntingdon (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1044), it's via Edison Bell Way
A14 -> A14/A1198


B1046:
A1198 is off


B1049:
+X962759 is off
A1123 is off
A14 -> A10/A14


B1050:
A14 is off
A1123_W is off


B1052:
Split A1307 into 2 wps!
B1061 is off


B1053:
ParLn -> PanLn
A131 is off


B1061:
A1017 is off


B1063:
Move A143 between both junctions (or even split the wp)
Move A142/A1304 to the center of the roundabout
OSM and Sabre (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1063) have a different road at west end


B1065:
B1066 is off
A143 is off


B1068:
SanLn is off
A134 is off
B1122 is off
B1122 -> B1119/B1122


B1070:
BriSt is indicated being a branch on OSM and Sabre (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1070)


B1076:
A1156 -> A1071/A1156


B1077:
A1156 -> A1071/A1156
A1120_E is off
A1120_W is off
Move B1132_E to the center of the roundabout (but there is no B1132 (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1132))
Move A1066_W to the center of the roundabout
B1132_W is off (but there is no B1132)
DeeLn is off
DeeLn -> DoeLn
HarRd is off


B1078:
A14 -> A14/A140


B1079:
+X543816 is off


B1081:
A1175_W is off


B1093:
WypeRd is off
CockBank is off
A141_S is off


B1094:
A1101 is off


B1095:
+X224430 is off


B1098:
LanHillDr -> LanHillDro (or is Drove also Dr? If so, B660 ShoDro must be renamed to ShoDr)
A142 is off
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: si404 on October 31, 2019, 12:48:43 pm
B243:
Does not exist (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B243) between A222 and A232, split route
Article doesn't suggest that at all - OSM (wrongly) does. However, as it's concurrent with 3 A roads in-between A222 and A212, so splitting anyway.
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on October 31, 2019, 01:01:16 pm
B243:
Does not exist (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B243) between A222 and A232, split route
Article doesn't suggest that at all - OSM (wrongly) does. However, as it's concurrent with 3 A roads in-between A222 and A212, so splitting anyway.

Yes, sorry. I misread the A2039 thing first. Then, I was not sure and thought it's better to let you check it than ignoring it :)
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: si404 on October 31, 2019, 01:12:59 pm
B351:
Move SheGate to the junction with Fife Road
It's arguably less than the width of the road, but no. The gate is where the route disappears, not the junction with the minor road.
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B375:
What's about the second branch (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B375) in Chertsey, new route?
Unsigned spurs don't get added.
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: si404 on October 31, 2019, 03:01:50 pm
B1029:
Does it extend to the south and meet the route at LowParkRd again? (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1029)
Ordinance survey mapping shows the route splitting in two there, with Victoria Place/Station Road as one spur, and Victoria Place/New Street/Waterside as another. Neither is signed and the route, for all intents and purposes, ends there.
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: si404 on October 31, 2019, 06:13:21 pm
B1044:
Check route through Huntingdon (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1044), it's via Edison Bell Way
Unsigned spur.
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OSM and Sabre (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1063) have a different road at west end
That's an OSM error that has affected the trace on SABRE. SABRE has it as I do. The other road is B1103. At the A142/A1304 roundabout Old Station Road is clearly signed as B1063.
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B1070:
BriSt is indicated being a branch on OSM and Sabre (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1070)
It is. Unsigned spur.

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B1078:
A14 -> A14/A140
A140 doesn't really intersect here, ending concurrent (cf B1021: B1018_E -> BurRd_N)
Title: Re: Huntercombe Spur
Post by: michih on November 01, 2019, 02:11:49 pm
Not B road but... Is Huntercombe Spur something we should add to HB? https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.5161/-0.6563
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: si404 on November 01, 2019, 04:02:22 pm
Depends on what the Driver Location Signs going in will be - this is promising (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2011/3054/pdfs/uksi_20113054_en.pdf) as it separates the slip roads from the spur road, rather than treats the spur as slip roads. Ditto this from last month (https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/announcements/public_notices/notice/112071.M4_MOTORWAY-JUNCTION_7__HUNTERCOMBE_SPUR__TEMPORARY_TRAFFIC_RESTRICTIONS/). If it calls the road "M4 Spur" then it will go in like the M25 Spur or M56 Spur. Or if it is M4 A/B (and thus mainline) with HSx as numbers (cf the M4 Airport spur). But if not, then we open a big can of worms. There's other ~1km long things that don't have a visible name that might be added.

So maybe, in the future, it might be.
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on November 02, 2019, 08:52:00 am
Ok, that means, I need to travel it :)


B1101:
A1101 is off


B1102:
Add wp(s) to match A11 Red Lodge Interchange
Move A142 to the center of the roundabout
NewRd -> MarSt_S (GM is wrong)


B1103:
Move A142/A1304 to the center of the roundabout
NMP A142/A1304
NMP 1063


B1106:
Move A1101 to the roundabout
IngRd is off


B1106for:
Check route b/n A14 and A1101
A14 -> A14/A1302


B1108:
A1065 is off
A1075 is off


B1110:
B1146 is off
Move B1145 "between" both junctions
GatRd is off
A1067 is off


B1111:
NetSt is off
A1066 is off
KenRd -> KingSt (OSM+GM+GSV)
A1075 is off


B1112:
Split A1065 into 2 wps


B1113:
WalRd -> WalRd_W (OSM+GM) -> +Xxx (GSV, no sign)
I don't wanna diss you but DissRd is off ;)


B113Nee:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.062547&lon=1.094969 to match A14 interchange
A1120 -> A1120/A1308


B1115:
A1141_W is off
A1141_E is off


B1116:
Split A1120 into 2 wps
+X408884 is off
B1123 is off


B1117:
BicHillRd -> MarSt (OSM+GM+GSV)


B1118:
LonCityRd is off


B1119:
Split A12 into 2 wps


B1123:
B1124 is off


B1125:
The segment b/n A12 and B1387 is not signed on OSM, GM nor GSV


B1127:
A12 is off


B1134:
HeyRd is off


B1136:
A143 is off
A146 is off


B1137:
A12(20A) should be moved to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.774877&lon=0.590397
A138 -> A138_S


B1140:
Split A47 into 2 wps


B1145:
WhiRd -> SchRd (OSM+GM)
+X976812 is off
A1065 is off
+X499745 is off
Move A140_S to the center of the roundabout


B1146:
HighSt -> QueRd (OSM+GSV)
DerRd is off


B1149:
ValRd -> VlyRd ?
Title: Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
Post by: michih on November 27, 2019, 12:23:49 pm
B6222:
A56/A58 -> A56

http://travelmapping.net/hb/?r=eng.b6222&lat=53.596798&lon=-2.290059&zoom=16
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on December 27, 2019, 10:34:15 am
B1153:
RinRd is off
B1155 is off


B1155:
B1454 is off


B1156:
There are two HoltRd. I'd give a suffix to both.


B1161:
Move A149_W to the center of the roundabout


B1164:
GraRd is off
GraRd -> HemLn


B1165:
A1101 is off
+X279264 is off
DrawDyke -> DrawDyke_E
FulDr -> FulDro (you also changed other 'Droves' earlier this year)


B1166:
ComDr -> ComDro


B1167:
Move A47_E to the center of the roundabout
FreDro_W !!!!

B1172Spa:
A1175 is off


B1178:
A15_S is off


B1180:
MonBri -> MonBriLn


B1182:
A46/A158 -> A15/A46
A15 -> A15_S


B1183:
Split A155 into two wps


B1184:
A52 is off
MudGate -> MidGate


B1189:
PinLn is off
A153 is off


B1190:
FerRd -> FryRd ?


B1190Bir:
B1434 -> A1434


B1192:
A1121 is off
A52 is off


B1195:
A16 is off


B1196:
Check route at north end. OSM indicates two branches. GM only one but the other one than we have.




21.40% of the routes in England are done!
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on December 28, 2019, 06:52:54 am
B1200:
Move A16/A157 to the center of the roundabout
A1031 is off
B1528 -> B1520
A157 -> A157_E


B1201:
A1031 is off


B1204:
A1077 is off


B1205:
A46 is off
A15_N is off


B1206:
A15_Kir is off
A15_Bar is off the overpass
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.692126&lon=-0.362259
Add another wp to show whether the route is through New Holland or on the bypass - no wild card please ;)
A18_W -> A15/A18_W
A18_E -> A15/A18_E
B1402 -> B1402/B1429, both are 100% concurrent though, OSM and GM only indicate B1402 -> delete B1429 ?


B1207:
HighSt is off
HighSt -> HighSt_E or BroAve
A18 -> A15/A18


B1208:
A18 is off
A18 -> A15/A18


B1211:
A18_E is off


B1212:
B1213 is off


B1222:
CawRd is off
CawRd -> CawRd_E ?


B1223:
A162 is off


B1224:
Move A1237 to the center of the roundabout


B1225:
A157 is off
A46: I agree that it should be one wp only but I'd move it a little bit to the east
A46 -> A46/A1173


B1228:
BriLn is off
B1230_W is off


B1230:
A1034_N is off
A1035/A1174 --> A164/A1035 please let me know if and if so, why you disagree on this!


B1231:
Move A1105 to the center of the roundabout
KempRd -> KempRd_N


B1233:
PriRd is off


B1238:
B1240 is off
B1242 is off


B1239:
B1240 is off


B1241:
A57 is off
A1500 is off
Split A1500 into 2 wps


B1242:
B1249 is off


B1246:
A1079 is off


B1248:
A64 is off
ToA64 -> add B1248 branch (https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1392438,-0.772991,3a,75y,280.87h,73.28t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sX4AktXjVv_7f_074cHR-Hg!2e0!5s20160701T000000!7i13312!8i6656)
Move B1251 to the center of the roundabout
A166_W is off
A614_S is off
B1253 is off
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on December 29, 2019, 08:41:59 am
B1251:
A166 is off


B1254:
B1255 is off


B1255:
MarVly -> MarVal as you did for B664 and B1149
B1259 is off
B1229 -> B1129


B1256:
StaRd is off
B1417 is off
A120_E is off, move it to where the ramp ends at the DC and add a new wp to the roundabout


B1257:
B1363 is off
NewAve -> GreAve


B1259:
A64 is off


B1261:
Move A165 to the center of the roundabout
Move B1261Sea to the center of the roundabout


B1261Sea:
Move A64 to the center of the roundabout


B1265:
A67 is off


B1268:
A173 is off


B1269:
SanLn is off


B1272:
BorRd -> BorRd_E


B1277:
Does it really extend north of B1376? OSM, GM, GSV and sabre (https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=B1277) disagree.


B1278:
A177 is off


B1279:
CemRd -> WooAve


B1280:
A19/A179 should be positioned on the overpass
A181 should be positioned on the overpass
A182 is off


B1281:
A19/A181 is off


B1283:
A181 is off
MillLn -> HopeSt
A19/A182 should be positioned on the overpass
Move A1086 to the center of the roundabout


B1284:
A690 should be positioned on the overpass


B1285:
A19/A182 -> A19


B1286:
BurRd -> BurRd_S


B1287:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.849427&lon=-1.346630


B1288:
A1296 -> B1296
BirByp -> PorRd


B1295:
A1 -> A1/A167


B1297:
SaxRd -> SayWay


B1299:
A181 -> A184
A1018_S is off
A183 is off
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on December 30, 2019, 05:09:50 am
A1035/A1174 --> A164/A1035 please let me know if and if so, why you disagree on this!
Because the A1174 is the dominant route (signed unbracketed) in the (pointless, given the 1174 ends at this roundabout) concurrency with the A164 (hence why that number is given on OSM).

But I've changed it to match our rule that sometimes incorrectly assumes that lower number means more importance...
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: yakra on December 30, 2019, 10:33:19 am
But I've changed it to match our rule that sometimes incorrectly assumes that lower number means more importance...
I don't think we actually have a rule that states that though. Just skimmed the manual/wayptlabels.php (http://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php); didn't find anything. (Hit me with a link if I did miss something). I know that Tim himself did allow this (http://travelmapping.net/hb/?r=nh.nh009&lat=42.923113&lon=-72.300092&zoom=16) back in the day. Or at least, didn't object after... (froggie? Jason?) and I justified it on the same grounds.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on December 30, 2019, 10:36:28 am
But I've changed it to match our rule that sometimes incorrectly assumes that lower number means more importance...
I don't think we actually have a rule that states that though. Just skimmed the manual/wayptlabels.php (http://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php); didn't find anything. (Hit me with a link if I did miss something). I know that Tim himself did allow this (http://travelmapping.net/hb/?r=nh.nh009&lat=42.923113&lon=-72.300092&zoom=16) back in the day. Or at least, didn't object after... (froggie? Jason?) and I justified it on the same grounds.
No actual rule?
Changing that back, and B1182 labels (same thing), then!
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on December 30, 2019, 12:32:30 pm
But I've changed it to match our rule that sometimes incorrectly assumes that lower number means more importance...

If memory serves.... I was taught by in my early days you that we must or should do it this way. Of course, I've assumed your command and always did it this way - especially in France where many important route have high numbers (D6xx, D9xx,...). Let's say D13A, D15B, D16C and D901 intersect, the D13A wp name is D15B/D16C omitting the most important D901.

No actual rule?
Changing that back

:o I had to revise a lot....... don't wanna do it....
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 01, 2020, 04:07:19 am
B1308:
GreRd -> GreRd_E


B1315:
StPetRd -> StPetRd_N


B1318:
Extends at north end according to OSM but I couldn't find any sign on GSV. Also not confirmed by Sabre.


B1320:
A1086 is off


B1328:
Move B1329 to the center of the roundabout


B1329:
A193 is off


B1331:
Extends at west end according to OSM but I couldn't find any sign on GSV. Also not confirmed by Sabre.


B1332:
HoweGre -> HoweLn


B1334:
A197 is off
Move A96 to the center of the roundabout


B1335:
StiRd -> StiRd_W


B1337:
Move A1068 to the center of the roundabout


B1339:
B1340 is off
Couldn't find "LongRow" on OSM. GM nor GSV.
BouRd is off


B1340:
Swi is off
MainSt -> MainSt_W
B1341/B1342 is off



26.70% of the English routes checked!
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: yakra on January 01, 2020, 06:05:50 pm
No actual rule?
Changing that back

:o I had to revise a lot....... don't wanna do it....

I wouldn't think any of this would require anyone to change labels. I interpret it as just meaning there are a wider variety of labels allowable.
As far as any "rule" goes, I'd think it's a matter of a "the route number to list will often but not always be the lower-numbered one" kid of helpful guideline... probably not worth encoding in the manual...
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 02, 2020, 04:14:01 am
probably not worth encoding in the manual...

I think that exactly these exceptions and interpretations should be listed in the manual ONCE. Instead of discussing it again and again and again and again on the forum. I'm sick of this discussion (although I usually don't follow it in detail)

That's why I've suggested color-coded MUST, SHOULD and COULD rules (I don't find where I've suggested it :().
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: yakra on January 02, 2020, 11:33:22 am
There's a practically unlimited amount of minutia to obsess over. If we put everything in it, it would balloon out to the point of unreadable and unmanageable density.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 02, 2020, 11:47:29 am
B1351:
Route is not shown on OSM nor GM, please check!
Move B1383 to the center of the roundabout


B1352:
Move A137 to the center of the roundabout
TheWal is off and OSM indicates the intersecting route being B1352 too, please check!
+X628919 is off
PriLn is off
A120_E is off


B1354:
HoltRd is off


B1354Col:
Move A1062/A1151 between the two roundabouts


B1357:
A17 is off


B1363:
A1036 -> A19/A1036


B1366:
A174 is off


B1368:
A10_N is off
WhiRd is off
FowRd is off
Split A505 into two wps
RoyRd is off
HighSt -> BunRd_S


B1380:
A1044 is off


B1382:
A1101 is off


B1383:
Move A1184 to the center of the roundabout


B1384:
A12 -> A12/A1117


B1385:
Move A47/A1117 to the center of the roundabout


B1394:
A17 should be @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.982091&lon=-0.275667


B1395:
FerLn -> FryLn
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 02, 2020, 04:16:42 pm
B1403:
TownSt -> TownSt_N


B1404:
Move A19 to the overpass


B1405:
A690 is off


B1411:
TheHyt is off
Check route in Ely. if OSM is right, B1382 must be moved


B1415:
Does it exist? It's not indicated on OSM nor GM


B1416:
A174 is off


B1417:
A120 felt down off the bridge


B1420:
A1014 is off


B1426:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.951213&lon=-1.562204 for A184's StoLn


B1428:
Move GtNorRd_N to the center of the roundabout


B1429:
All wps are off!


B1430:
A1077_S is off
A1077_N is off
NorHall -> NorRd_N we should stay with road names


B1433:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.402032&lon=-0.770915


B1434:
BriRd_S -> BriRd


B1435:
B1062_E is off, see satellite layer


B1436:
Move A148 to the center of the roundabout
Split A140 into two wps!


B1437:
A12_S should be at the junction east of the roundabout


B1430:
A1077 should get a suffix


B1440:
LynnRd -> StaRd (OSM and GM have different names for the road to the south)


B1443:
LinRd -> LinRd_N


B1447:
A171 is off


B1449:
A52 is off
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 03, 2020, 10:19:03 am
B1454:
A148 is off
A149 is off


B1456:
Move A137 to the center of the roundabout
PinMillRd -> PinRd, it's one word
EdwVIIDr -> QueVicDr according to OSM and GM from zoom level 19 :)


B1458:
A1156 is off


B1460:
A171 is off due to a new roundabout


B1464:
Move A13/A176 to the overpass


B1501:
A159 is off


B1502:
Are you sure that we need A10 Great Amwell (spur)? It's just A141 on OSM and GM.
A10/A414_E -> A414/A1170 ?
A10/A414_W -> A10/A414 ?


B1505:
ToA188 -> BenLn
ToA192 -> HorRd_S
A186 -> A186/A191


B1508:
Exceeds limits b/n StaHill and +X548127
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.906802&lon=0.874679 for A133's A12 wp


B1514:
BucRd -> B1514 branch according to OSM and GM, or ChuRd/ChuLn ?
B1043 -> B1044


B1519:
A183 -> A183_W


B1522:
OceRd -> B1522 branch according to OSM, GM and GSV ?


B1524:
Move B1166 to the center of the roundabout


B1527:
A140 is off due to the new roundabout
OxmLn is simply off
OxmLn -> OxnLn



31.55% of the routes in England done!
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on January 03, 2020, 10:49:13 am
B1502:
Are you sure that we need A10 Great Amwell (spur)? It's just A141 on OSM and GM.
A10/A414_E -> A414/A1170 ?
A10/A414_W -> A10/A414 ?
We don't need it (especially as it's concurrent with the A414), but it's not only officially a spur of the A10, but signed as A10 heading away from the mainline (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7846736,-0.0213875,3a,32.2y,143.28h,85.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFS4aS3We1PHm-x_5qUBUSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (unlike the A10 spur just to the south which I would much prefer was the signed spur instead, which is signed as '(A1170)' heading away from the A10), and therefore I think we should definitely have it.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on January 03, 2020, 12:49:25 pm
B1522:
OceRd -> B1522 branch according to OSM, GM and GSV ?
As I've already said, the only one that matters for spurs is GSV (hence why I've not added spurs wrt comments about OSM and GM showing them). However, in this case, the road numbers swapped about a decade ago, and signage on the old A1018 wasn't updated - what the sign is signing is not a spur of the B1522, but the former routing that is now the A1018.

Incidentally, OSM actually has (most of, at least) Ocean Road as B1405, which is what the Ordnance Survey has it as what seems like a deliberate mistake to check for copying.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: panda80 on January 09, 2020, 04:33:30 am
Let's make a break a break with England and go to Wales.

WLS B4242
OSM and GM indicate a branch between ToA465 and A465.


WLS B4246
OSM and GM indicate a branch between Gov and A465 through Govilon.

WLS B4251
OSM and GM indicate a branch between ComSt and A4048.

WLS B4252
OSM and GM indicate the section between B4254_W and A4049 as A469 (seems to be a branch of it).


WLS B4257
OSM and GM indicate a branch between QueCre and A469.

WLS B4263
Add a WP for B4623 and add B4623 to HB.

WLS B4275
OSM and GM indicate a branch between A4059_Pon and A4059.

WLS B4278Por
Add a WP in Porth


WLS B4285
Check routing in Aberfan.

WLS B4287
Rename B4334 to B4434.


WLS B4290
M4 is off

Done until B4300.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on January 09, 2020, 05:36:17 am
WLS B4242
OSM and GM indicate a branch between ToA465 and A465.


WLS B4246
OSM and GM indicate a branch between Gov and A465 through Govilon.

WLS B4251
OSM and GM indicate a branch between ComSt and A4048.

WLS B4252
OSM and GM indicate the section between B4254_W and A4049 as A469 (seems to be a branch of it).


WLS B4257
OSM and GM indicate a branch between QueCre and A469.

WLS B4263
Add a WP for B4623 and add B4623 to HB. <or "OSM and GM indicate a branch heading north out of Caerphilly">

WLS B4275
OSM and GM indicate a branch between A4059_Pon and A4059.
None of these branches (including the A469) are, however, signed, and thus are not eligible for inclusion. The B4251 spurs seem to have lost class 2 status, making OSM and GM even more misleading!

I did add a point on the B4263 for the route heading north out of Caerphilly, and make some tweaks to some of the above routes.

Quote
WLS B4285
Check routing in Aberfan.
New bypass opened, rerouted.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: panda80 on January 09, 2020, 07:00:59 am
Most of them are clearly signed:
A469: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6727839,-3.218459,3a,75y,201h,73.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIcs0KjDgZ1YGXF4lWN9Mjw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

B4242:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7354537,-3.6461222,3a,75y,66.66h,90.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKqpr1fX1qC9IlkVz_XY6sw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

B4246:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8235274,-3.0912766,3a,75y,77.33h,84.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBRDhG5BZgBcWC2rWiTIslA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

B4251:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6787011,-3.1382943,3a,75y,332.53h,87.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxt6Q3bwtVlnmYe4ofZ5NaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

B4257:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7677895,-3.2952615,3a,75y,112.28h,74.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6wzGrfQa8DWzdLdPEd4ErQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on January 09, 2020, 08:28:39 am
Most of them are clearly signed:
A469: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6727839,-3.218459,3a,75y,201h,73.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIcs0KjDgZ1YGXF4lWN9Mjw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

B4242:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7354537,-3.6461222,3a,75y,66.66h,90.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKqpr1fX1qC9IlkVz_XY6sw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

B4246:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8235274,-3.0912766,3a,75y,77.33h,84.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBRDhG5BZgBcWC2rWiTIslA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

B4251:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6787011,-3.1382943,3a,75y,332.53h,87.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxt6Q3bwtVlnmYe4ofZ5NaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

B4257:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7677895,-3.2952615,3a,75y,112.28h,74.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6wzGrfQa8DWzdLdPEd4ErQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
All signed towards the mainline, and the B4521 one you've put at a junction at the end of the route in the browser, not the route you want added as a branch, so it's not only towards the mainline, but is signing the actual mainline.

These are also often the only sign, despite many of these branches TOTSOing and so work as just a vague "this way to that road" sign (eg B4257). Add in that many of the routes of these branches are now traffic calmed (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8193003,-3.0598499,3a,40.2y,261.57h,85.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdOL1OuAvmeRKQgCLjRhK7g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), and perhaps with through traffic dissuaded (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.9458588,1.0773213,3a,40.7y,274.12h,80.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssunPSQsCzvncw0Cmpfs39g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (one that michih suggested adding recently), and it strikes me that they are effectively outdated/erroneous signs. Others (eg B4242) are a link road with no intermediate junctions - and if we add them, we need to add the M5 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2375239,-2.9510331,3a,75y,164.41h,91.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFbW5g1GW-wn7heDhZBZCOQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) trumpet sliproads at junction 22 as its signed as M5 towards the M5 - and probably twice given it's signed as part of the A38 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.239546,-2.9434628,3a,15.9y,212.28h,85.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS8HADX33koSXisyBJtPjWg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) off the M5 mainline!

I do not believe that a unbracketed route number on a sign is adequate evidence of a road being inherently part of that route. For instance the road between the A465/A4143 junction and the B4246/B4269 junction is signed southbound as B4246 (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8150383,-3.0279382,3a,75y,258.66h,87.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZHzrA7N2N5wxsS18XDqYcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (which is the correct number), and northbound as A4143 (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.8138829,-3.0301781,3a,75y,61.44h,89.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz6-QgAv3kDQGOwonAT2Kcw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), the latter being not true, though if you go that way you will inevitably end up on a bit of road designated A4143. And here we have a sign for the A4059 (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6933217,-3.4204423,3a,39.3y,55.62h,87.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siRUdy189WA0vD-hIgBcV6w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DiRUdy189WA0vD-hIgBcV6w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D247.76572%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) on a road (that you missed) marked by OSM and GM as a branch of the B4275, but the other end has no number (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7002274,-3.4195764,3a,37.5y,240.03h,84.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTEdpssJWu_khyiE5qc9Z8w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DTEdpssJWu_khyiE5qc9Z8w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D340.90286%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) - what is that? I'd say it's a link road, not a branch of either road.

I'm not going add what is probably 2000 routes (you suggested 7 off about 50 routes, and you only mentioned about half such branches off those roads!), mostly poorly (and even incorrectly) signed and many of which are mapping errors, without quite a lot of justification. Spurs in the UK have to be signed, and signed heading away from the mainline otherwise we enter madness.


I should point out that I went to a lot of effort to work out whether to add most of these specific branches when drafting the system. I'm not going to take "OSM and GM show it" as anything serious - and expressed such in the last message before this Wales review (thank you, by the way - it's much appreciated). I'm going to need some evidence it should be included beyond unreliable mapping sources, otherwise I'll just ignore it from now on.

Edit: adding the A469 branch as there is actually a sign pointing away from the mainline with that number on: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6705061,-3.2238246,3a,75y,78.59h,80.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMDAv5x5k6zFbW-7wLhY4QA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 09, 2020, 02:35:59 pm
I do not believe that a unbracketed route number on a sign is adequate evidence of a road being inherently part of that route.

Yep, we saw last fall that that unbracket numbers are not an evidence. There are more incorrect unbracket road numbers in UK than expected.

I should point out that I went to a lot of effort to work out whether to add most of these specific branches when drafting the system. I'm not going to take "OSM and GM show it" as anything serious

Is Wales so bad? I think that England is not that bad. What's about Scotland?

I'm going to need some evidence it should be included beyond unreliable mapping sources, otherwise I'll just ignore it from now on.

I think it's better to report when maps show different routes so that you can check - e.g. in case of newly opened bypasses etc. - than ignoring it for the peer-review. And it's always possible that you missed something. That's why we make a peer-review.
In addition, it might help in case of an issue in the future when we can check how the situation was before activation and read why we didn't include it.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on January 09, 2020, 02:56:54 pm
Is Wales so bad? I think that England is not that bad. What's about Scotland?
It's not specific to any. I pointed this out to you, doing England, too.
I think it's better to report when maps show different routes so that you can check - e.g. in case of newly opened bypasses etc. - than ignoring it for the peer-review.
Altered routes, sure - they are worth looking at. Branches? I need more evidence than just the mapping.
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And it's always possible that you missed something. That's why we make a peer-review.
Well yes, I was just clarifying what is actually something I missed, and "OSM/GM says there's a branch" almost certainly isn't something I missed.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 09, 2020, 03:13:40 pm
I think it's better to report when maps show different routes so that you can check - e.g. in case of newly opened bypasses etc. - than ignoring it for the peer-review.
Altered routes, sure - they are worth looking at. Branches? I need more evidence than just the mapping.

Yes, it makes no sense with branches of B roads but B4252 which is indicated as A469 should be checked that it's really a B road since OSM + GM show it as A469.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 12, 2020, 07:37:41 am
Back to England:

B2010:
FarLn is off
FarLn -> StaHill
B2162 is off


B2011:
Move A20 to the underpass


B2015:
B2162 is off
Move A228 to the center of the roundabout


B2016:
A20 is slightly off


B2019:
A25 is off


B2023:
A26 is off


B2024:
RecLn is off


B2026:
New wp for A26's CroRd
StrHalfMile -> StrHalfMile_S
B2188 is off
Split A264 into two wps
SpoLn is off


B2030:
Split A23 into two wps


B2032:
B2033 is off
B2022_S -> B2220_S


B2036:
Split A273_N into two wps
Move A272_E to the center of the roundabout
+X140920 is off
HayHeaRd is off
B2110_E is off


B2042:
A25 is off
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on January 12, 2020, 08:22:00 am
Yes, it makes no sense with branches of B roads but B4252 which is indicated as A469 should be checked that it's really a B road since OSM + GM show it as A469.
Branch of A roads are in the same boat - OSM+GM saying so is meaningless without other evidence.

Because that actually is an A469 branch (or at least signed as such, including away from the mainline), it was an error. But if I hadn't found that one sign that made that road an A469 branch, what I had was correct.

It's now fixed and in the browser.
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 13, 2020, 03:38:32 pm
B2050:
Split A256 into 2 wps ?


B2052:
A28 is off
Split A255_N into 2 wps ?
B2053 is off


B2054:
VicPar -> VicPar_N


B2055:
TriSqy -> TriSqu_N


B2056:
A258_N is off


B2064:
A2034 is off


B2067:
AldRd -> AldRd_E


B2070:
B2199 is off


B2079:
UndLn is off
HowRd is off
JarLn is off
JarLn -> CurGreLn (OSM, GM, GSV)


B2080:
HeaRd is off


B2085:
A229 is off


B2088:
A28 is off


B2089:
FloLn is off
A28 is off


B2090:
A21 is off


B2092:
A259 is off
Segment from A2100 to A2690 is indicated being A2690 on OSM and GM, but it's clearly B2092 on 2019 GSV


B2093:
A259 is off


B2095:
A269_S is off
B2204_N is off


B2099:
A21 is off
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: si404 on January 14, 2020, 06:21:50 am
B2092:
Segment from A2100 to A2690 is indicated being A2690 on OSM and GM, but it's clearly B2092 on 2019 GSV
Yep, hence why I mapped it that way. :P

I might go fix OSM, but I'm sure I did when I dealt with making the same error OSM did and it's been undone. I got it right first time, then there was something that made me err (probably OSM extending the route, though OS has it as well and that counts for a lot more), then I fixed it 2 years later when the evidence for/against appeared.

2015-07-25;(UK) England;A2690;eng.a2690;New Route
2016-03-09;(UK) England;A2690;eng.a2690;Route extended at east end from B2092 to A2100
2018-02-04;(UK) England;A2690;eng.a2690;Route truncated at east end from A2100 to B2092
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on January 18, 2020, 05:42:05 am
B2100:
Move A267 between both junctions (which are one junction in the end)


B2102:
A22 -> A22/A26


B2103:
A259 is off
Move B2106 to Devonshire Place as indicated on OSM and GM?


B2104:
Check routing in Hailsham, GSV is from 2018/19 - gbnb was drafed earlier
wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.866382&lon=0.254153 and wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.861583&lon=0.256513 ?
A267 is off
A295_S is off


B2106:
I can agree with A259_W location but I'd change B2103 location, see B2103


B2108:
Move A226 between both junctions (which are one junction in the end)


B2110:
Merge A22/A264 and A22_S wps ?


B2112:
A273 is off
GreRd is off


B2114:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.069603&lon=-0.203671 and for A23 too
SlaRd -> BraLn
B2115 is off


B2115:
SloLn is off


B2116:
A273 is off


B2117:
A281 is off
B2118 is off


B2119:
A270 doesn't intersect in HB @ A23/A270 wp but it should


B2123:
A259 is off


B2128:
B2130 is off


B2130:
Split A281 into two wps? I would


B2131:
Split A286 into two wps? I would
A283 is off
Exceeds limits b/n B2070 and A287
Add branch north of A287 wp, see OSM, GM and GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.0878181,-0.7363752,3a,27y,343.56h,84.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHVptOOQpMLlYByXWddWfGQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)?
The branch south of A287 is indicated on OSM and GM but not on GSV. We might add a new wp for it though - at A287 too.


B2132:
Split A259 into two wps!


B2133:
B2139 is off
PaiRd -> PlaRd


B2135:
+X204258 is off


B2138:
A29 is off


B2139:
OpenAirMus -> AmbMus / Amb
A283_N is off
A283_S is off


B2145:
A259 is off
B2201 is off


B2146:
FinRd -> LocLn
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on February 09, 2020, 02:41:23 pm
B2154:
A288 -> A288_E


B2163:
A26 is off
A274 is off


B2166:
AldRd -> AldRd_W


B2169:
A267 is off


B2174:
Move A207/A226 to the center of the roundabout


B2176:
A26 is off
B2188 is off


B2177:
A32_N is off
Move A32/A334 to the center of the roundabout
A334_W is off


B2179:
ItcRd is off


B2180:
Move B2195_S to the center of the roundabout
Move B2195_N to the center of the roundabout


B2183:
A272 is off


B2187:
A259 -> A259_N


B2188:
LyeGre is off
A264_W is off


B2191:
A259 is off


B2192:
A267 is off
Move A22 to the center of the roundabout
A26 is off
Title: Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
Post by: michih on February 16, 2020, 04:40:36 am
B2200:
A24 -> A24/A232


B2205:
A291/A2990 wp might be a candidate for the one-point-per-interchange rule because the roundabout is within the interchange due to the ramp onto A299 eastbound


B2211:
Move A224 to the center of the roundabout


B2215:
A3_S is off because there is only one ramp. The 2nd ramp is fenced (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.275677,-0.5223009,3a,15y,189.83h,86.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss_MfhM8Lhb5BSS7zfAQWTA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and indicated being closed on OSM


B2229:
Move A28 to the center of the roundabout


B2231:
Move A2500_E to the center of the roundabout
BarHillDr is off due to a new roundabout (https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/sentinel-playground/?source=S2&maxcc=20&zoom=17&lat=51.410369&lng=0.787325)


B2233:
I'd move A29_S to the A29 main line
Move A29_N to the center of the roundabout
A259 is off


B2237:
A24_N -> A24/A264


B2244:
A21 is off
A229 is off


B2247:
A22 -> A22_E


B2259:
But -> ButBogReg or UppBogRd_E


B2260:
Move A21/A2014 to the center of the roundabout


B2450:
Move A24/A246 to the center of the roundabout


B2500:
Move A296 to the center of the roundabout



39.29% of the routes in England done!