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Title: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: Markkos1992 on April 15, 2016, 10:15:19 pm
After seeing the concurrencies log (http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=98.msg469#msg469) a couple months ago, I took the time to go through all of them to keep track of what I truly clinched.

However, for some reason, it is showing concurrencies on I-95 with US 1 and US 90 around Jacksonville. After looking at the construction projects there on GSV, I could not come up with any definite conclusion on if either road touches I-95.  I recognized the US 17 concurrency north of I-10 because they seem to actually be on the same road at some point.

Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: theFXexpert on April 17, 2016, 03:22:06 pm
There was a post on AARoads (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17065.msg2113163#msg2113163) that explained US 1 and 90 were incorrectly signed on Kings Rd. and Prudential Dr. and that the signage will be corrected as part of the Overland Bridge project.

AASHTO's route log also shows US 1 and US 90 joining I-95 and then leaving after about a mile.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: ntallyn on April 23, 2016, 12:29:51 pm
Those routes are SO horribly signed through downtown. And 17 isn't any better (heading north, the signage goes from Roosevelt Blvd to I-10 East to "TO US 17" at Forest Ave (but then no signs at the bottom of the ramp).
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: froggie on April 24, 2016, 02:19:41 pm
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AASHTO's route log also shows US 1 and US 90 joining I-95 and then leaving after about a mile.

FDOT shapefiles updated this past week show the same, though the actual distances are more like 1/3mi for US 90 and about 3/4mi for US 1.

Looking at aerial imagery of the construction completed thus far suggests that the US 90 mainline won't meet the I-95 mainline anymore once construction is completed.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: theFXexpert on April 24, 2016, 05:19:24 pm
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Looking at aerial imagery of the construction completed thus far suggests that the US 90 mainline won't meet the I-95 mainline anymore once construction is completed.
Yes; sort of.
Traffic staying on US 1 and US 90 will be kept in C/D lanes.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 29, 2016, 03:46:59 am
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Looking at aerial imagery of the construction completed thus far suggests that the US 90 mainline won't meet the I-95 mainline anymore once construction is completed.
Yes; sort of.
Traffic staying on US 1 and US 90 will be kept in C/D lanes.

And for the purposes of this project, we've been considering the 'C/D lanes' as part of the mainline.

Plus, with looking at StreetView right now (Feb '16 (https://goo.gl/maps/qYGpNjdaSBF2)), NB I-95 is currently using the future C/D lanes.  I'm really digging the new flyover (https://goo.gl/maps/iRaQdFewpyF2) to get to US-90 EB from I-95 SB that I see.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: ntallyn on April 29, 2016, 09:35:39 am
I'm really digging the new flyover (https://goo.gl/maps/iRaQdFewpyF2) to get to US-90 EB from I-95 SB that I see.

That's about the only part of the road that's worth driving right now!
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: theFXexpert on April 29, 2016, 11:15:26 am
And for the purposes of this project, we've been considering the 'C/D lanes' as part of the mainline.
Yeah, that's what I thought based on how US 92 and I-4 are handled in Tampa near the fairgrounds.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: michih on October 20, 2017, 11:45:12 am
I think this issue can be closed. Any objections?
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: Markkos1992 on July 29, 2018, 06:46:49 pm
There was a post on AARoads (http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17065.msg2113163#msg2113163) that explained US 1 and 90 were incorrectly signed on Kings Rd. and Prudential Dr. and that the signage will be corrected as part of the Overland Bridge project.

AASHTO's route log also shows US 1 and US 90 joining I-95 and then leaving after about a mile.

The signage is still incorrect based on June 2017 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3081595,-81.6473827,3a,75y,174.11h,105.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sftKDYsftaIvo3QBhgET-Wg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). 
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: neroute2 on July 30, 2018, 01:51:10 am
At what point do we realize that signs are just as, if not more, official as internal databases?
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: yakra on August 01, 2018, 10:42:13 pm
The point at which it's most convenient.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 25, 2019, 10:21:08 pm
Looks like no changes will be needed to US-1 (well, a minor change since the new configuration to get onto I-95) & US-90.  FDOT has changed the signage AND posted FL-5!!!!!

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg2412153#msg2412153

So, this thread will stay open till I deal with the 'minor' reroute of US-1 due to the interchange reconfiguration.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 28, 2019, 06:05:05 am
After looking some more around in StreetView at this interchange complex, I might have to do some 'exit number' tweaks to I-95.

Currently, the '349 (https://goo.gl/maps/nyCzGGqCN4b8P8XP9)' point for US-90 EB (FL-10) no longer has a posted number on the C/D lanes.  So, I have the following options:

1) Change it to US90_E, which to be honest would look a little weird in I-95's file.
2) Leave as-is reflecting the 'historical' exit number. (This is my preferred option)

To be honest, if I could have gotten away with separating US-1 & US-90 from I-95 here on the C/D lanes (see US-219 & I-90 in NY), I might have done so.  However, both routes have direct on-ramps to I-95 NB, which bypass the C/D lanes, which made that option a complete no-go. 

Also the CD lanes have MM with I-95's mileage (even though they say CD in them) in both directions, which makes more of a case to keep the I-95 concurrency (that & the FDOT GIS & AASHTO agreement) IMO.

So, what do you guys think about the exit number issue?
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: Markkos1992 on April 28, 2019, 02:01:40 pm
I really would have preferred that FDOT used exit numbers on the C/D lanes.  I want to go with the old 349 becoming 348B based on the C/D Road exit NB being 348 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3020659,-81.6408352,3a,75y,355.12h,91.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNu7LpmlsmEc26rs6JJVOdQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), but the C/D Road exit SB being 350A (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3138617,-81.6598203,3a,75y,82.96h,88.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snKdNZg4oyMXGHdSS1cBcrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) really confuses things IMO.

On another note, I guess a new segment of FL 5 in Jacksonville will need to be added to the HB.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 29, 2019, 01:35:37 am
I really would have preferred that FDOT used exit numbers on the C/D lanes.  I want to go with the old 349 becoming 348B based on the C/D Road exit NB being 348 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3020659,-81.6408352,3a,75y,355.12h,91.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNu7LpmlsmEc26rs6JJVOdQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), but the C/D Road exit SB being 350A (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3138617,-81.6598203,3a,75y,82.96h,88.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snKdNZg4oyMXGHdSS1cBcrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) really confuses things IMO.

Well, on the '350A' issue, the exit NB (https://goo.gl/maps/T4JnBwJZZJevxGybA) was also that number before the conversion (I don't recall there ever being a '350B' going NB, thus no idea why they didn't just do 350 going NB).  With the SB ramp still maintaining that number, I have 0 issues keeping that as-is.

And yes, I fully agree with you that they should have added exit numbers on the C/D lanes.  Stupid that they didn't.  Also, whenever we mark an exit as 'permanently closed' we always keep the exit number, thus you could 'in theory', use that as a justification as well to keep the number as 349 (sans the '*') because of the direct SB offramp to US-90 EB from the mainline being gone, but still having the direct onramp NB.  With that reasoning, I think I'll just keep it as '349' unless something changes in the future on the signage when it comes to exit numbers.

On another note, I guess a new segment of FL 5 in Jacksonville will need to be added to the HB.

Already have that file ready to go once I finish dealing with a big post in the usafl thread so I can have a bulk update for FL. ;)
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: Markkos1992 on April 29, 2019, 05:30:51 pm
I really would have preferred that FDOT used exit numbers on the C/D lanes.  I want to go with the old 349 becoming 348B based on the C/D Road exit NB being 348 (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3020659,-81.6408352,3a,75y,355.12h,91.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNu7LpmlsmEc26rs6JJVOdQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), but the C/D Road exit SB being 350A (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3138617,-81.6598203,3a,75y,82.96h,88.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snKdNZg4oyMXGHdSS1cBcrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) really confuses things IMO.

Well, on the '350A' issue, the exit NB (https://goo.gl/maps/T4JnBwJZZJevxGybA) was also that number before the conversion (I don't recall there ever being a '350B' going NB, thus no idea why they didn't just do 350 going NB).  With the SB ramp still maintaining that number, I have 0 issues keeping that as-is.

And yes, I fully agree with you that they should have added exit numbers on the C/D lanes.  Stupid that they didn't.  Also, whenever we mark an exit as 'permanently closed' we always keep the exit number, thus you could 'in theory', use that as a justification as well to keep the number as 349 (sans the '*') because of the direct SB offramp to US-90 EB from the mainline being gone, but still having the direct onramp NB.  With that reasoning, I think I'll just keep it as '349' unless something changes in the future on the signage when it comes to exit numbers.

I agree with your justification for leaving it 349.
Title: Re: FL: I-95 (concurrency with US 1 and US 90 in Jacksonville?(around Exits 348-350)
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 20, 2019, 10:51:42 am
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2872

Changes have been submitted.  Decided not to add a update entry for US-1 due to the change being technically all within the original interchange footprint.

Will mark as solved once the changes go online.