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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2019, 12:22:28 pm »
Darwin-Adelaide is finished.
I'm down to the last three segments of the route (Adelaide-Katherine), and two are the big ones.

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2019, 08:06:13 pm »

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2019, 09:01:29 pm »
Yowza.

Is this going to get broken up by state? Given the sheer scale involved I feel like it should.

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2019, 11:39:54 pm »
By state and by classification.

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2019, 01:23:24 am »
Over 600 points for AUSWA N1 and it's dragging the editor to a crawl, and I expect to add at least 200 more shapepoints x.x

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2019, 03:32:08 am »
Finally finished WA N1.
3332 miles long.
827 points, 280 visible, 547 hidden.
Average spacing: 4 miles
Average visible spacing: 12 miles

Time to work on the last segment.

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2019, 04:52:24 am »
This beast will need a .csv, but how should I approach this? Do we consider Route 1 as its own separate system, or as parts of the other Australian systems?
If it's its own system, I'm not sure that breaking the .csv into multiple files (by state/territory) is the best approach -- having a single one seems to be the best idea, and doing it in a clockwise manner by state then route classification segment (Northern Territory would end up having two entries in the .csv), with Tasmania at the end.

Code: [Select]
aus1;AUSNT;N1;;;;ausnt.n001;
aus1;AUSQLD;N1;;;ausqld.n001;
aus1;AUSQLD;A1;;;ausqld.a001;
aus1;AUSQLD;A1;Alt;cai;Cairnes;ausqld.a001altcairnes;//filenames not yet shortened
aus1;AUSQLD;M1;;;;ausqld.m001;
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;bal;Ballina;ausnsw.m001bal
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;gra;Grafton;ausnsw.a001gra
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;wol;Woolgoolga;ausnsw.m001woo
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;cof;Coffs Harbour;ausnsw.a001cof
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;uru;Urunga;ausnsw.m001uru
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;eun;Eungai Creek;ausnsw.a001eun
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;kem;Kempsey;ausnsw.m001kem
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;bul;Buladelah;ausnsw.a001bul
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;haw;Hawksbury River;ausnsw.m001haw
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;cha;Chatswood;ausnsw.a001cha
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;syd;Sydney;ausnsw.m001syd
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;syd;Sydney Harbour Bridge;ausnsw.m001shb
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;syd;Sydney;ausnsw.a001syd
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;wol;Wollongong;ausnsw.m001wol
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;she;Shell Harbour;ausnsw.a001she
aus1;AUSVIC;A1;;;;ausvic.a001
aus1;AUSVIC;M1;;;;ausvic.m001
aus1;AUSVIC;A1;Alt;mel;Melbourne;ausvic.a001altmel
aus1;AUSVIC;A1;;win;Winchelsea;ausvic.a001win
aus1;AUSVIC;M1;;win;Winchelsea;ausvic.m001win
aus1;AUSVIC;A1;;war;Warnambool;ausvic.a001war
aus1;AUSSA;A1;;mtg;Mount Gambier;aussa.a001mtg
aus1;AUSSA;B1;;;;aussa.b001
aus1;AUSSA;A1;;mur;Murray Bridge;aussa.a001mur
aus1;AUSSA;M1;;;;aussa.m001
aus1;AUSSA;A1;;ade;Adelaide;aussa.a001ade
aus1;AUSSA;R1;;;Adelaide Ring Route East;aussa.r001e
aus1;AUSSA;R1;;;Adelaide Ring Route West;aussa.r001w
aus1;AUSSA;A1;;;;aussa.a001
aus1;AUSWA;N1;;;;auswa.n001
aus1;AUSNT;NT;;bul;Bullah;ausnt001bul
aus1;AUSTAS;N1;;;;austas.n001

If it's part of the Australian sets as a whole, then distinct .csvs by region then system would be the way to go
(AUS-NT N routes, AUS-NT NT territorial routes
AUS-WA N routes, AUS-WA S secondary routes
AUS-SA A routes, AUS-SA B routes, AUS-SA M motorways, AUS-SA R Adelaide Ring Route 1
AUS-VIC A routes, AUS-VIC B routes, AUS-VIC C routes, AUS-VIC M motorways
AUS-NSW A routes, AUS-NSW M motorways, AUS-NSW NSW state routes
AUS-QLD A routes, AUS-QLD N routes, AUS-QLD M freeways, AUS-QLD QLD state routes
I haven't looked at AUS-ACT or at Tasmania yet to have an idea what they have)

Thoughts?

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2019, 07:22:38 am »
Even if you decide to have an own system for it, it must be split at the regional borders because other systems might be added one day.

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2019, 11:55:00 am »
It's a bit of a mess. National Routes/Highways (N) (and in some states, their state highways too) are being replaced with M/A/B/C. Most states have done it, NT and QLD haven't finished, WA is holding on to the old system.

Given we're talking national systems, surely have something more like:
  • ausm - Australia M Roads
  • ausn - Australia National Roads (in WA, and parts of NT and QLD. Also we'll ignore the Highway/Road distinction like we did for TN state routes, British A roads, etc)
  • ausa - Australia A Roads
  • ausb - Australia B Roads
  • ausnsw - New South Wales State Routes
  • ausnt - Northern Territory State Routes (being superceded by alphanumeric systems - already obsolete?. Also, yes, for some reason they are 'State Routes')
  • ausqld - Queensland State Routes
  • austasc - South Australia C Roads (C roads seem to be state numbered, rather than supposedly part of a national system)
  • aussac - Tasmania C Roads (C roads seem to be state numbered, rather than supposedly part of a national system)
  • ausvicc - Victoria C Roads (C roads seem to be state numbered, rather than supposedly part of a national system)
  • auswa - Western Australia State Routes
  • ausnswm - Sydney Metroads
  • ausqldm - Brisbane Metroads
  • ausvicm - Melbourne Metropolitan Routes (signed like old style state routes)
  • austr - Australia Tourist Routes (these seem to be a national system of numbered routes)

National Highway/National Route 1 is one route that's part of the national system - it's not its own thing, but has that super-status in the mind that's a cross between US66 and Iceland's Ring Road (also numbered 1).

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2019, 01:01:58 am »
No point in making a separate system just for one route when there are other similarly-designated routes. Sections of route 1 can be sorted into respective systems for N/A/B/M as appropriate.

Si's overall breakdown seems to make sense to me, although I would not append "c" to the ends of system abbreviations for those systems. For example "austasc" can just be "austas", since there isn't any higher level system specific to Tasmania which would take that abbreviation.

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2019, 04:08:36 am »
ausm
ausn
ausa
ausb
These should be broken down by region as well, no?
Something like
ausactm
ausacta
ausntn
ausqldm
ausqldn
ausqlda
aussam
aussaa
aussab
aussar
austasa
ausvicm
ausvica
ausvicb
auswan

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2019, 04:43:37 am »
These should be broken down by region as well, no?
No. Same as usaus isn't broken up into 49 separate systems

alus, arus, azus, caus, cous, ctus, dcus,
deus, flus, gaus, iaus, idus, ilus, inus,
ksus, kyus, laus, maus, mdus, meus, mius,
mnus, mous, msus, mtus, ncus, ndus, neus,
nhus, njus, nmus, nvus, nyus, ohus, okus,
orus, paus, rius, scus, sdus, tnus, txus,
utus, vaus, vtus, waus, wius, wvus, wyus

but kept as a whole. Ditto usai and 52 systems, eure and 80 systems, etc, etc

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2019, 02:56:44 pm »
South Australia also seems to retain the National Route shield for some routes, despite switching something to alphanumeric, and Tazmania retained National Route 1.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2019, 02:25:48 am »
Any revisions to these provisional .csvs?

ausm
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausm;AUS-QLD;;;;ausqld.m001;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;bal;Ballina, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001bal;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;wol;Woolgoolga, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001woo;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;uru;Urunga, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001uru;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;kem;Kempsey, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001kem;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;haw;Hawksbury River, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001haw;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;syd;Sydney, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001syd;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;shb;Sydney Harbour Bridge, Sydney, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001shb;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;wol;Wollongong, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001wol;
ausm;AUS-VIC;;;;ausvic.m001;
ausm;AUS-VIC;;win;Winchelsea, Victoria;ausvic.m001win;
ausm;AUS-SA;;;;aussa.m001;

ausn
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausn;AUS-NT;;;;ausnt.n001;
ausn;AUS-QLD;;;;ausqld.n001;
ausn;AUS-WA;;;;auswa.n001;
ausn;AUS-NT;;bul;Bullah, Northern Territory;ausnt.n001bul;
ausn;AUS-TAS;;bur;Burnie-Lauriceston, Tasmania;austas.n001bur;
ausn;AUS-TAS;;hob;Lauriceston-Hobart, Tasmania;austas.n001hob;

ausa
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausa;AUS-QLD;A1;;;;ausqld.a001;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;gra;Grafton, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001gra;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;cof;Coffs Harbour, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001cof;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;eun;Eungai Creek, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001eun;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;bul;Buladulah, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001bul;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;cha;Chatswood, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001cha;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;syd;Sydney, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001syd;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;she;Shell Harbour, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001wol;
ausa;AUS-VIC;A1;;;;ausvic.a001;
ausa;AUS-VIC;A1;;win;Winchelsea, Victoria;ausvic.a001win;
ausa;AUS-VIC;A1;;war;Warnambool, Victoria;ausvic.a001war;
ausa;AUS-SA;A1;;mtg;Mount Gambier, South Australia;aussa.a001mtg;
ausa;AUS-SA;A1;;mur;Murray Bridge, South Australia;aussa.a001mur;
ausa;AUS-SA;A1;;ade;Adelaide, South Australia;aussa.a001ade;
ausa;AUS-SA;A1;;;;aussa.a001;

ausaban
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames
ausa;AUS-QLD;A1;Alt;cai;Cairnes, Queensland;ausqld.a001altcai;
ausa;AUS-VIC;A1;Alt;mel;Melbourne, Victoria;ausvic.a001altmel;

ausb
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausb;AUS-SA;;;;aussa.b001;

ausr
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausr;AUS-SA;;;Adelaide Ring Road East, Adelaide, South Australia;aussa.r001e;
ausr;AUS-SA;;;Adelaide Ring Road West, Adelaide, South Australia;aussa.r001w;

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Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2019, 05:44:33 am »
order by position on the route, rather than by where in the alphabet the state's code comes? (not that it currently matters as the site sorts it by region for display)