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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2018, 01:13:15 am »
So do I assume correctly that:
- the proposed routing would name the point at the Caton Ave Overpass "OcePkwy"
I'm thinking, leave it labeled "5", and just change its coords.

- Ocean Parkway in usanyp would be extended to have its northern terminus at the same coordinates
- the point name for said northern terminus would be "NY27"
Correct on both of these.

It still leaves the northernmost 3 blocks of Ocean Parkway (which are part of the named road "Ocean Parkway" but not part of reference route 908H) unmapped, but... that's short enough that I'm not terribly bothered letting it get lost in the noise in the area.
"OCEAN PWY svce rds" per GIS -- fudged in the field for simplicity?  ;D

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2018, 11:51:25 pm »

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2018, 08:57:10 am »
New, I suppose, information on West River Parkway (SR 957C) in Grand Island, Erie Co.

I attempted to clinch that road on Saturday, and most of it is now closed. The powers that be (presumably including the governor) have decided to convert the bulk of the parkway into a pedestrian and bicycle linear park. Two very short sections (neither of which is currently marked with a waypoint) remain open: from South Parkway to Park Road and from Bedell Road to I-190. Otherwise, traffic is detoured onto surface streets Oakfield Road and West River Road. From what I could see along the closed section (which was being repaved for a smooth path), there was perhaps one speed limit sign still up along with maybe one reference marker and a leftover PARKING AREA sign.

It may still be legislated as SR 957C, but since it's not driveable (except by bicycle), perhaps its inclusion should be reconsidered.

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2018, 09:26:27 am »
It may still be legislated as SR 957C, but since it's not driveable (except by bicycle), perhaps its inclusion should be reconsidered.
Being closed to cars isn't always a deal-breaker. M-185 and part of Historic US 66 crossing the Mississippi River, for example.
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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2018, 01:05:00 am »
But there is also precedent for excluding closed portions of routes. See CA 39 and US 87 in Wyoming.

Philosophically, I am opposed to including any roads or sections of roads that are permanently closed to motorized traffic.

M-185 is a bit of a special case since local custom among Michigan roadgeeks seems to be to accept it as a legitimate part of the state highway system. So I'm fine with deferring to that.


I would definitely vote in favor of killing West River Parkway on account of it being closed to auto traffic, though. Its inclusion was iffy to begin with, this is one of those roads that is reference numbered like a parkway but doesn't really fit the mold of what you'd typically think of as a New York parkway qualitatively.

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2018, 10:32:39 am »
Being closed to cars isn't always a deal-breaker. M-185 and part of Historic US 66 crossing the Mississippi River, for example.
In this system, there's also the precedent of the top of ProMtnHwy, discussed upthread.

Maybe @vdeane has the scoop on what will become of the reference route number, that could allow me to more easily make a decision? :)

But there is also precedent for excluding closed portions of routes. See CA 39 and US 87 in Wyoming.
A different beast. These roads used to be open, then were closed to the general (motoring?) public overall, and aren't intended to be used for transportation now.
MI185, IL US66HisCha, and NY ProMtnHwy are intended to be used by the public -- just not by cars.

M-185 is a bit of a special case since local custom among Michigan roadgeeks seems to be to accept it as a legitimate part of the state highway system. So I'm fine with deferring to that.
Less a local custom and more MI DOT, innit?

doesn't really fit the mold of what you'd typically think of as a New York parkway qualitatively.
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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2018, 10:36:00 am »
Leaving this here to potentially complicate matters in the future:
https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/engineering/structures/repository/manuals/inventory/appendg.pdf

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2018, 10:58:41 am »
Maybe @vdeane has the scoop on what will become of the reference route number, that could allow me to more easily make a decision? :)
Don't I wish.  I always assumed the whole parkway would be closed, and now it appears that this might not be the case.  Or maybe they're just constructing it one segment at a time.

Leaving this here to potentially complicate matters in the future:
https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/engineering/structures/repository/manuals/inventory/appendg.pdf
I think some of those might not be reference routes any more.  Or maybe they're reserved?  At the very least, I wasn't able to find them in the RIS shapefiles.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2019, 07:17:23 pm »
https://www.dot.ny.gov/NSPRemoval
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Project Overview

The approximately 2 mile long section of the Niagara Scenic Parkway within City of Niagara Falls, north of Main Street, will be removed and its footprint restored to a park-like setting. Parkway traffic will be accommodated by reconstructing Whirlpool Street and Third Street. After the Parkway is removed, city residents will have access to the Niagara Gorge, and area visitors will be able to pursue a variety of recreational opportunities in the newly created Niagara Gorge State Park.
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Status: Under construction with completion scheduled – June 2020
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