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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2017, 04:35:14 pm »
Ok, I think these are national highways managed by the regions but signed as national highways. That means, we should draft it for espn because we usually draft routes like they are signed. We shouldn't rely on the Formento document.

btw: N102-N122 are in.
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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2017, 03:27:19 pm »
Ok, I think these are national highways managed by the regions but signed as national highways. That means, we should draft it for espn because we usually draft routes like they are signed. We shouldn't rely on the Formento document.

btw: N102-N122 are in.
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Here's N-IV:

1 - The first stretch I found if starting from Madrid is this bypassed one in Dosbarrios, Castile-La Mancha. Starts at A-4 exit 69 , and after a while, this sign tells us this is N-IV. After crossing Dosbarrios, it continues as A-4 service road to merge in exit 72 . A pair of signs before that:
https://goo.gl/maps/aaYicAzVryj (though wrongly colored haha)

2 - This other one starts at exit 83, here's a kilometer sign along with a milestone, then goes through La Guardia for ending into the A-4 here.

3 - Next one starts at A-4 exit 144, we found a N-IV sign a

bit after https://goo.gl/maps/j91RE4SP4nx, then enters into Villarta de San Juan, where crosses with CM-4126, and ends in exit 149, leaving another sign before.

4 - This one, which was kept because it passes through the pass of Despeñaperros (the traffic jams that were formed here before the building of the motorway are still remembered, and well, there were even traffic jams even in the motorway before updating it with bridges and tunnels hahaha) and is numbered as N-IVa. It starts at the merge here (a little bit
further, exit 243 connects the other way ), passes through Venta de Cárdenas and then under the motorway. After a while, it leaves Castile-La Mancha to enter Andalusia . In this stretch you can see some kilometer signs saying A-4 as one of the motorway carriageways used to go through here (as it was
built over the old national road), but when new tunnels and bridges were built to avoid the curvy stretches, this stretch returned to the N-IV. Actually. you can even see in Google Maps the other carriageway no longer used because of the same reason to the right of the N-IVa. After some tunnels and loads of curves, it interchanges with A-4 in its exit 250 (both ways: https://goo.gl/maps/2K9rNeoSfVC2, https://goo.gl/maps/WP8po76UTYR2), passes under it several times and finally ends, giving access to Santa Elena, in the A-4 exit 257.

5 - This stretch starts in a roundabout with A-4 exit 292 and A-44 exit 0, here's a sign just before it. Then goes through a stretch wronlgy labeled in GMas N-323 to share itinerary with it after a roundabout by passing the city of Bailén, then separating with it, to merge with the A-4 (exit 299)  just after this kilometer sign.

6 - The next part found starts at this roundabout, and is part of N-IV as this milepost tells us later. Although listed in that milepost as N-IV, it's actually N-IVa, as direction signs show:
https://goo.gl/maps/UrwY5ydDu842
https://goo.gl/maps/TUqVha6UDPM2

After a bit, the road interchanges with the autonomical road A-306, gives access to El Carpio and ends in exit 377 of the A-4. Here a kilometer sign just before it.

7 - This one starts at exit 383, connects with CO-3105, crosses Alcolea and enters the city of Córdoba interchanging with N-432 to end in exit 401. Here's a sign in a roundabout just before it.

8 - The next one starts at the merge here into the A-4. Here's a kilometer sign a bit before. It crosses Aldea Quintana (crossing with A-3052), El Quintanar, El Arrecife and La Carlota to end in A-4 exit 434.

9 - This other stretch starts at exit 450, and is N-IVa according to the sign. After entering Écija, ends in exit 455

10 - This section begins in a roundabout in the outskirts of Seville (here's a sign when coming from it), gives access to Dos Hermanas, crosses with SE-3205 and interchanges with AP-4 and A-4, as the later ends and merges into the AP-4, to make N-IV the most popular non-tolled route. BTW, it's wrongly labeled as CA-31 too, though CA-31 is a 2 kilometer only route near Cádiz, so it's a GM mistake. Then it bypasses Los Palacios y Villafranca, gives access to Guadalema de los Quinteros, interchanges with the Andalusian road A-394, crosses with A-371, after it goes through El Cuervo and becomes the A-4 when approaching Jerez (that's where the sherry wine comes haha)

11 - This one, signed as N-IVa, crosses the city of Jerez. Starting at [img=https://goo.gl/maps/5PpB2KLwnVF2]http://this roundabout[/img], crosses with A-2000 and A-480 atuonomicals, to finish in exit 645


12 - This stretch, signed at the beginning as N-IV and after as N-IVa, starts at this roundabout with CA-31, crosses with A-491 and El Puerto de Santa María to end in this roundabout. It's still signed as going through the river in the other way, though I haven't seen any sign after this roundabout. The rest of the stretch, though labeled as N-IVa in GM, is actually CA-32.

That's all!

Next one will be N-V!

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2017, 03:45:39 pm »
N-IV done:

1: NIVDos
2: NIVGua
3: NIVVil
4: NIVaEle
5: NIVBai
6: NIVaCar
7: NIVCor
8: NIVa
9: You've not posted any evidence that it's signed and it's not indicated on GM/OSM
10: NIV
11: NIVJer
12: NIVPue

N100+ done, N636 done :)

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2017, 05:50:16 pm »
N204-N362 done. I'll continue with N-VI.

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2017, 09:26:57 am »
Ok, I've completed drafting espn and put it to preview (with Jim's next site update).

My notes: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/ESP/espn/README.md.

I didn't find a solution for these routes:
- N301 route from north of Murcia to Cartagena is not clear, not drafted for HB
- N/N502/N502a routing in Talavera de la Reina is not clear to me; only `N502` bypass drafted

@Pepe, it would be great of you could try to figure out these issues.
In addition, please check if I didn't miss any signed route. I think it's easier to find "unintentional gaps" because all routes can be viewed on the map now.

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2017, 05:05:35 pm »
Ok, I've completed drafting espn and put it to preview (with Jim's next site update).

My notes: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/ESP/espn/README.md.
Lots and lots of thanks! Very good job :)

I didn't find a solution for these routes:
- N301 route from north of Murcia to Cartagena is not clear, not drafted for HB
What I found:
-A stretch (signed both as N-301 and N-301a, don't really now which is it actually) starting at this roundabout ,  crossing El Albujón, RM-602,  Miranda and ending in a roundabout in Cartagena city centre (here's a sign from one of the other streets of the roundabout)
-This section, starts at this roundabout with A-30 , crosses El Palmar, MU-30 and enters Murcia to end in this crossing (seen from the side).

-The third stretch starts at this roundabout at the outskirts of Murcia, as this sign from another street in that roundabout shows. After crossing with A-7, bypasses Molina del Segura (Where it crosses with N-344) to end in A-30. Here's a confirmation sign later, that though covered with leaves, leaves no doubt this is a national road (as we see the red shield between the leaves).

- N/N502/N502a routing in Talavera de la Reina is not clear to me; only `N502` bypass drafted
It's late here, and I must get up very early tomorrow, so tomorrow afternoon I'll check and edit this.

@Pepe, it would be great of you could try to figure out these issues.
In addition, please check if I didn't miss any signed route. I think it's easier to find "unintentional gaps" because all routes can be viewed on the map now.
Well done! You even done the N-V and N-VI stretches (which is nice, as I've clinched part of the N-VI and N-120 by walking in the St James Way hahaha), so I believe it isn't necessary now to search myself for N-V and N-VI.
The map is very complete, the only gap I found so far is N-340 in Játiva/Xàtiva, in the Province of Valencia. If there's any other I missed, I'll tell you ASAP!

Have a wonderful day!

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2017, 08:52:23 am »
Lots and lots of thanks! Very good job :)

You're welcome!

N-301 is done.

You even done the N-V and N-VI stretches (which is nice, as I've clinched part of the N-VI and N-120 by walking in the St James Way hahaha), so I believe it isn't necessary now to search myself for N-V and N-VI.

N-VI/N-651 @Betanzos was odd. Would be great if you could double-check it.

The map is very complete, the only gap I found so far is N-340 in Játiva/Xàtiva, in the Province of Valencia.

I don't remember exactly but I think I couldn't find any evidence that it's signed as N340. It's a regional road according to OSM.

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2017, 03:39:24 pm »
- N/N502/N502a routing in Talavera de la Reina is not clear to me; only `N502` bypass drafted
It's late here, and I must get up very early tomorrow, so tomorrow afternoon I'll check and edit this.
Ok, it seems the road goes like as seen in this quick map I've done:

Maybe, as the bypass is quite new, there are some signs still posting N-502 without the a in the town, though where the road divides (roundabouts 1 and 2), both N-502 and N-502a are clearly signed, leaving no doubt to us:
·Roundabout 1:
-N-502:
https://goo.gl/maps/ok4W4rtGQeF2
https://goo.gl/maps/HYwHPH8jXf82
-N-502a:
https://goo.gl/maps/ZUfEPSSAQWJ2
·Roundabout 2:
-N-502:
https://goo.gl/maps/B8kSNfDW4gC2
-N-502a:
https://goo.gl/maps/EMacX9rfLjG2

N-VI/N-651 @Betanzos was odd. Would be great if you could double-check it.
What seems to me is that the uppermost N-VI stretch (the one which crosses with N-651) is N-VIa actually, as there's a bypass south of it clearly signed as N-VI, while there's no numeration for the other in the two divisons before the town:
https://goo.gl/maps/dw9uiS1zFYL2
https://goo.gl/maps/hoHNUVsbhjL2

I also saw signage telling the part going through Betanzos as N-VI, so what I think is that at first the road went through Betanzos, and when they built the bypass didn't bothered to add an a to the signage. Also, I believe that for avoiding traffic following N-VI signs entering the town, they simply didn't put N-VIa in the signs (or maybe they even forgot, seems believable to me here in Spain!). Anyway, then, theorically the one crossing with N-651 and through Betanzos is N-VIa and the bypass is N-VI. As they're both signed as N-VI, add them as you think would be better hahaha

I don't remember exactly but I think I couldn't find any evidence that it's signed as N340. It's a regional road according to OSM.
/maps/oWW1STcN1Uy
Yeah, you're right. It used to be part of the N-340 (and you can even still see signs) but sometime between 2012 and 2016 the stretch looks to be transferred to the Valencian administration, which has renumbered it as three different roads. As the last time I passed there that was still N-340, I thought it kept being it!

Well done!
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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2017, 03:47:58 pm »
Why isn't the N443/CA-36 on the list?

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2017, 05:06:59 pm »
@Pepe: Thanks for N-502/N-502a but what's about N-Va? GM indicates N-Va from N-502a eastwards but OSM partially indicates N-Va only which looks like it might be rededicated meanwhile. Any info?
Your N-VI/N-651 links are broken but if I got you right, I should keep it like it's drafted, shouldn't I?

Why isn't the N443/CA-36 on the list?

N-443 is not signed but CA-36: http://tm.teresco.org/forum/index.php?topic=1951.msg5478#msg5478. I've only drafted espn system. Si maintains Spain.

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2017, 07:20:06 am »
@Pepe: Thanks for N-502/N-502a but what's about N-Va? GM indicates N-Va from N-502a eastwards but OSM partially indicates N-Va only which looks like it might be rededicated meanwhile. Any info?
Well, there N-Va shares itinerary with N-502a when entering Talavera, then with N-502 when N-502a ends on it and finally separes from them a while later to merge into the A-5. Although that, I haven't seen signs of it (probably replaced with the ones indicating the A-5), so draft it if you want.

Your N-VI/N-651 links are broken but if I got you right, I should keep it like it's drafted, shouldn't I?
Links fixed. Yeah, now it's drafted correctly.

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2017, 03:13:50 am »
Ok, thanks. N-502a will be submitted soon. I won't add the unsigned N-Va in Talavera de la Reina.

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2017, 03:22:55 pm »
16 - N-II reappears in this roundabout in a suburb of Barcelona called Martorell, continues through a industrial area and the Barcelonese conurbations of Sant Andreu de la Barca and Pallejà, to merge with the N-340 before Can Ros. Here a sign in the opposite direction of the interchange.

16: NIIAnd

It's already signed west of Martorell from the A2 exit near the SEAT plant. And it's NIIa. The rest of the AP7 feeder seems to be unsigned.

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Re: Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn)
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2017, 06:56:15 pm »
N1 routes

(Briviesca) - fine
(Aranda de Duero) - point needed at northern end of the bypass for GSJ
(Beasain) - should end at NC/PV border, end-on with A1?
(Boceguillas) - fine
(Buitrago del Lozoya) - fine
(Gumiel de Izán) - fine
(Lerma) - fine
(La Puebla de Arganzón) - fine
(Quintanilla de la Mata) - fine
(Robregordo) - fine
(Venturada) - fine
NIa - fine