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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2017, 10:51:30 pm »
SR 294: OK
SR 295: not signed, delete
SR 297: "23E116Nc" → "UppNihRd", "23E116Nd" → "HedRd", "191N19E_E" → "BerRd" (also point needs to be recentered), "191N19Ef" → "LucRd", "191N19Ed" → "ProRd", "191N19Ec" → "NielCrkRd", "JudGiftRd" → "JudGapRd"
SR 298: OK
SR 300: Truncate to CouRd (per road log)
SR 302: OK
SR 306: OK
SR 308: "BreRd_W" → "BroRd_W", "BreRd_E" → "BroRd_E"
SR 310: OK
SR 311: OK
SR 313: "CenAve" → "I-90Bus/47". Truncate to the cattle guard just past CR40A - this appears to be a maintenance changeover point and is the correct 38.588 miles from the beginning, matching the road log.
SR 314: OK
SR 317: OK
SR 320: extend north to Main St (per road log)

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2017, 10:27:48 pm »
SR 323: "FinButRd" → "FinButTrl"
SR 324: relocate point "HenRidRd" ~500' NE. OSM does not show this intersection correctly, HERE does.
SR 325: not signed, delete
SR 326: OK
SR 327: "BaiR" → "BaiRd", "CinSt_S" → "CliSt_S"
SR 328: "ExeRd" → "ExieRd"
SR 330: incorrect routing. Should follow Cascade Hound Creek Rd and Millegan Rd (HERE shows the correct routing).
SR 331: OK
SR 332: OK
SR 335: OK
SR 336: "SR413" → "CarRd_W"
SR 338: OK
SR 340: OK
SR 341: truncate to what HERE labels "17009 Rd". This is the correct 21.93 miles from the beginning, matching the road log.
SR 343: "GreHillSch" → "GreHillSchRd", "SR17" → "StrRd"
SR 344: OK
SR 345: "NexPerDr" → "NezPerDr". Truncate to StuRd_E (per road log)
SR 346: OK
SR 347: OK
SR 348: OK
SR 350: truncate to Lobo Rd (per road log)

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2017, 12:21:16 pm »
Now that I have a primary working computer again, back at this

SR 352: "CampTufR" → "CampTufRd"
SR 354: OK
SR 357: "BarGluRd" → "BarGulRd". Extend to Warm Springs Creek Rd (per road log) - this is shown as "National Forest Development Road 163" on OSM, HERE shows the name mentioned in the road log.
SR 358: OK
SR 359: OK
SR 360: truncate to Camas Creek Rd. This is the correct 18.217 miles from the beginning, matching the road log.
SR 363: OK
SR 365: "PimmRd" → "PMMRd", "SR225" → "BooTrl"
SR 366: "NicR" → "NicRd", "SR225" → "BooTrl_S", truncate to SR 223 (per road log)
SR 370: wrong road is mapped - should be on Bell Crossing, not Victor Crossing
SR 373: extend east to Summerdale Rd (per road log)
SR 374: extend north to 1st Ave in Outlook (per road log)
SR 375: does not officially exist per 2013 road log. GMSV shows signage in place at south end as of Jul 2012, no more recent imagery available. Decomissioned, perhaps?
SR379: "SR225" → "BooTrl"

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2017, 08:28:43 pm »
SR 381: OK
SR 382: OK
SR 384: "MT47" →  "I-90BL"; points "IronSprRd", "SarRd", "HopeRd", and "BeaCrkRd" need recentering
SR 386: OK
SR 387: OK
SR 391: truncate to the cattle guard at 45.266555, -105.645275. This is the correct 16.513 miles from the beginning, matching the road log.
SR 393: OK
SR 396: add back in, this route is signed at the junction with SR 241 (per GMSV)
SR 399: OK
SR 400: truncate to Straw Rd. This is the correct 12.335 miles from the beginning, matching the road log.
SR 401: OK
SR 405: OK
SR 408: points "2ndRd/8thLn" and "3rdLn_S" need recentering
SR 409: "HighSchRd" → "HillSchRd", extend north to Canadian border

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2017, 09:28:12 pm »
SR 411: OK
SR 412: OK
SR 416: "I-94" → "I-90", "SR 418" → "PryRd", point "BenRd" needs recentering
SR 417: OK
SR 418: not signed, delete
SR 419: points "GroCrkRd" and "RosRd" need recentering, "HarLn" → "LitRocCrkRd", "NyeRd_S" → "NyeRd_W"
SR 421: points "HeaRidRd" and "SkiRd" need recentering, "StiEstR" → "StiEstRd"
SR 422: OK
SR 424: "MerRd_N" → "MerRd, truncate to this point (per road log). Add point at US 93 Alt/Kalispell Bypass.
SR 426: relocate point "CleLn" to western branch of the small loop here - the eastern branch is abandoned/impassable.
SR 427: OK
SR 430: OK
SR 431: OK
SR 432: "SR366" → "TibDamRd"
SR 434: truncate to MT 200 (per road log)
SR 435: "SR434" → "FlatCrkRd", "OldElkCrkR" → "OldElkCrkRd"
SR 437: OK
SR 438: "Bay" → "BayRd"

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2017, 03:59:24 am »
LitRocCrkRd is not valid.
LitRocRd would be one of several acceptable options; field signage suggests this may be best.

OldElkCrkRd is similarly not valid

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2017, 01:46:24 pm »
SR 441: needs a shaping point between FaiRd_W and FaiRd_E. Route follows Fairmont Rd as OSM shows.
SR 444: point "HorRd" needs recentering
SR 446: OK
SR 447: point "RosEstDr" needs to be moved and renamed (there is no intersection here, or any intersection with a road of this name)
SR 448: "Rd80_S" → "80S" (matching format of other similarly named points)
SR 449: truncate to 160N (this matches the 16.59 miles from US2 shown in road log)
SR 451: coord mismatch with WY 345 at state line'
SR 453: OK
SR 457: OK
SR 462: OK
SR 463: OK
SR 464: OK
SR 466: OK
SR 467: "MT200_W" → "MT200", "MT200_E" → "MT200S"
SR 470: OK

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2017, 02:40:41 pm »
SR 471: add back in, this route is signed at the junction with SR 200 (per GMSV)
SR 473: "ChiRd" → "LloCrkRd", "BarnDrawR" → "BarnDrawRd"
SR 474: OK
SR 480: OK
SR 482: OK
SR 484: OK
SR 486: "RaiSt" → "RaiSt_W", "GlaNP" → "FlaNF"
SR 487: OK
SR 489: extend to end of pavement at 46.570930, -105.652450 (per road log)
SR 493: OK
SR 494: OK
SR 500: "ToWenKimRd" and "MelRd" → hidden shaping points (there is no intersection at either point)

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2017, 04:59:17 am »
SR 503: OK
SR 504: OK
SR 507: "5St" → "5thSt"
SR 508: OK
SR 509: not signed, delete
SR 511: OK
SR 512: OK
SR 513: extend down Lower Willow Creek Rd to junction at 46.559778, -113.346540. This is the correct 9.663 miles from beginning (per road log)
SR 516: OK
SR 517: OK
SR 518: OK
SR 522: OK
SR 528: truncate to PraElkRd, this is the western end of the route (per road log). Points "HigRd" and "MenRd" need recentering.
SR 529: OK

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2017, 07:18:10 am »
Hasn't SR 511 been truncated to end short of the border, since that border crossing (Big Beaver/Whitetail) has been permanently closed since 2013? Google Maps, Bing Map, and their satellite views show the truncation of SR 511 and its counterpart SK 34, and that SR 511 is barricaded about 0.1 mile south of the border, just south of the former border station.

I mention this only because while doing some county-snagging on the Canadian side, I saw signs at the SK 18/SK 34 junction, indicating that the border had been closed south of there and SK 34 no longer reached the border.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2017, 10:17:16 am by oscar »

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2017, 11:41:58 pm »
Hasn't SR 511 been truncated to end short of the border, since that border crossing (Big Beaver/Whitetail) has been permanently closed since 2013? Google Maps, Bing Map, and their satellite views show the truncation of SR 511 and its counterpart SK 34, and that SR 511 is barricaded about 0.1 mile south of the border, just south of the former border station.

The most recent Road log from MDT is from 2013 and explicitly lists the end of SR 511 as "Montana/Canadian Line". Unless someone can produce some documentation to the contrary, it does not appear the road has been officially truncated.

Indeed, I don't see why it logically would be, since it is still physically there, and I doubt the difference of a few hundred feet behind a barricade matters to anyone at MDT enough for them to actively take the effort to revise their records.

For our purposes, I'd say just leave the endpoint alone. Someone could have driven through the crossing before it closed, and someone trying to clinch the road now can still get close enough to the endpoint to call it good by most people's standards. And if someone is compulsive enough to be bothered by not being able to drive the last teensy portion, they're probably also compulsive enough to care that it's officially still part of the route even if we were to circumcise it in our mapping.


Also, while I'm posting anyway, here's part of an update:
SR 531: OK
SR 532: OK
SR 534: "SunBlv" → "SunBlvd"
SR 537: extend to Snake Creek Rd. This is the correct 23.126 miles from beginning (per road log)
SR 540: "SR572" → "ChicRd"
SR 541: OK
SR 543: OK
SR 544: Points "GotRd" and "BelcrkRd_S" need recentering
SR 547: extend east by one intersection to Barker Rd. This is the correct 6.477 miles from beginning (per road log)

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2017, 07:56:58 pm »
SR 548: How to handle new Kalispell bypass? 2013 road log predates this bypass opening, original routing is no longer continuous because of its construction. State GIS map shows bypass and shows 548 still on old road that now dead ends. "SR292" → "WhiStaRd"
SR 551: OK
SR 552: OK
SR 556: OK
SR 559: OK
SR 565: OK
SR 566: OK
SR 567: "SandPipeCrkRd" → "SidePipeRd"
SR 568: not signed, delete
SR 569: points "DryCrkRd", "BeaPondTrl", and "AlpLodeTrl" need recentering. "BeaPondTrl" → "WesTrl"
SR 571: OK
SR 573: points "TenMileRd" and "DagRd" need recentering


This concludes the peer review.

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2017, 12:35:31 pm »
One more: North ends of SR 233 and SR 241, at the Canadian border, look like they should be recentered. There are Saskatchewan primary highways on the other side of the border, and when I start working on cansk I want to pilfer the SR 233 and SR 241 coordinates for the south ends of those SK routes.

No need to bother with SR 511, unless you're going to truncate it short of the border. While SK 34 appears to end at the border, you can no longer legally cross the now-barricaded border there. So I'll set SK 34's south end to be different from MT 511's north end, to keep the HB from identifying a false intersection.
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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2017, 09:09:42 pm »
Hasn't SR 511 been truncated to end short of the border, since that border crossing (Big Beaver/Whitetail) has been permanently closed since 2013? Google Maps, Bing Map, and their satellite views show the truncation of SR 511 and its counterpart SK 34, and that SR 511 is barricaded about 0.1 mile south of the border, just south of the former border station.

The most recent Road log from MDT is from 2013 and explicitly lists the end of SR 511 as "Montana/Canadian Line". Unless someone can produce some documentation to the contrary, it does not appear the road has been officially truncated.

Indeed, I don't see why it logically would be, since it is still physically there, and I doubt the difference of a few hundred feet behind a barricade matters to anyone at MDT enough for them to actively take the effort to revise their records.

For our purposes, I'd say just leave the endpoint alone. Someone could have driven through the crossing before it closed, and someone trying to clinch the road now can still get close enough to the endpoint to call it good by most people's standards. And if someone is compulsive enough to be bothered by not being able to drive the last teensy portion, they're probably also compulsive enough to care that it's officially still part of the route even if we were to circumcise it in our mapping.

A similar situation to US 75. Fortunately, I've driven SK 34 / MT 511, but clinching US 75 will be awkward. It's a shame this crossing closed; it's the most scenic of the three options (SK 6 / MT 16, SK 34 / MT 511, and SK 36 / MT 13), but not unsurprising since it connects not much to nothing. It was nicely featured on an episode of "Extreme Frontiers" before it closed.

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Re: Montana Secondary State Highways
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2017, 12:55:45 am »
A similar situation to US 75. Fortunately, I've driven SK 34 / MT 511, but clinching US 75 will be awkward.

TM shows US 75 stopping about 0.1 mile short of the border, at the exit from the old U.S. customs area. However, last I was there (2013?), I was able to drive from US 75 through the old customs area to the barricade at the border before turning back. Border monuments confirmed that I reached -- or maybe drove a few feet past -- the border. 

GMSV suggests that the pavement on the Manitoba side of the border is intact. But to get there via Provincial Road 200, you'd have to blow past an "authorized vehicles only" sign, as well as a road closure sign at the exit from the old Canadian customs area.