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CA: I-710 southern end
« on: May 08, 2017, 08:58:42 am »
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In 2013, Caltrans adopted the remainder of the Seaside Freeway from Ocean Boulevard to SR 47 over the Gerald Desmond Bridge as part of Route 710. Caltrans and the Port of Long Beach plan to replace the Gerald Desmond Bridge by 2016.

So, it seems that I-710 needs to be extended all the way to CA-47.  Signage (from 12/15) ([2] [3]) agrees with this.

No new exit numbers (so far) have been posted, but I doubt they will adjust the numbering scheme for I-710.
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Re: CA: I-710 southern end
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2017, 09:13:00 am »
From wikipedia:
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In 2013, Caltrans adopted the remainder of the Seaside Freeway from Ocean Boulevard to SR 47 over the Gerald Desmond Bridge as part of Route 710. Caltrans and the Port of Long Beach plan to replace the Gerald Desmond Bridge by 2016.

So, it seems that I-710 needs to be extended all the way to CA-47.  Signage (from 12/15) ([2] [3]) agrees with this.

No new exit numbers (so far) have been posted, but I doubt they will adjust the numbering scheme for I-710.

They're still working on the Gerald Desmond Bridge, last I heard. And Caltrans was going to wait for that to be done, before formally extending 710 to CA 47.

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Re: CA: I-710 southern end
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2017, 10:09:48 am »
From wikipedia:
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In 2013, Caltrans adopted the remainder of the Seaside Freeway from Ocean Boulevard to SR 47 over the Gerald Desmond Bridge as part of Route 710. Caltrans and the Port of Long Beach plan to replace the Gerald Desmond Bridge by 2016.

So, it seems that I-710 needs to be extended all the way to CA-47.  Signage (from 12/15) ([2] [3]) agrees with this.

No new exit numbers (so far) have been posted, but I doubt they will adjust the numbering scheme for I-710.

They're still working on the Gerald Desmond Bridge, last I heard. And Caltrans was going to wait for that to be done, before formally extending 710 to CA 47.

Still didn't stop them from fully posting it ahead of time since at least as of May '12 (see the [3] link above).  I mean, we've already added I-14, and that's just beginning to get it's shields.  Just saying.

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Re: CA: I-710 southern end
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2017, 11:00:02 am »
OTOH, Caltrans' April 2017 bridge log for route 710 doesn't include any bridges south of downtown Long Beach, including the existing Gerald Desmond Bridge being replaced with a new span. I've found the bridge logs to be pretty good guides to what is and isn't included in routes. The signs you linked to indicate that the existing Seaside Fwy. takes you to I-710, but doesn't convince me that it's already part of I-710.

Anyway, California isn't one of those states that's in a hurry to seek Interstate status for new/extended freeways. CA 210 east of CA 57, CA 15 south of I-8, and CA 905 near the border seem to have been Interstate-ready for years, and logical additions to the Interstate system, but Caltrans isn't pursuing AASHTO approval for any of them. It would not shock me if, when Caltrans formally adds the Seaside Fwy. east of CA 47 to the state highway system, it becomes CA 710 rather than an I-710 extension (at least temporarily. pending AASHTO approval to extend I-710).
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Re: CA: I-710 southern end
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2017, 01:07:41 am »
OTOH, I'm kinda wondering if CalTrans has been waiting for a moment like this, where they can bombard AASHTO with all their planned extensions. If this is the case, it wouldn't surprise me if CalTrans does have a piecemeal upgrade of CA 58 they want to complete, along with CA 99's upgrades, (and the I-710 tunnel!) before putting I-7/9, 15, 40, 210, 710, and 905 on the table.

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Re: CA: I-710 southern end
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2017, 09:28:04 pm »
OTOH, Caltrans' April 2017 bridge log for route 710 doesn't include any bridges south of downtown Long Beach, including the existing Gerald Desmond Bridge being replaced with a new span. I've found the bridge logs to be pretty good guides to what is and isn't included in routes. The signs you linked to indicate that the existing Seaside Fwy. takes you to I-710, but doesn't convince me that it's already part of I-710.

https://goo.gl/maps/jbhBwQsXq9z ?  This is from 2012.

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Re: CA: I-710 southern end
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2017, 06:00:40 am »
OTOH, Caltrans' April 2017 bridge log for route 710 doesn't include any bridges south of downtown Long Beach, including the existing Gerald Desmond Bridge being replaced with a new span. I've found the bridge logs to be pretty good guides to what is and isn't included in routes. The signs you linked to indicate that the existing Seaside Fwy. takes you to I-710, but doesn't convince me that it's already part of I-710.

https://goo.gl/maps/jbhBwQsXq9z ?  This is from 2012.

Later GMSV imagery shows that sign covered in greenout. Maybe the 2012 version was a sign-o?

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Re: CA: I-710 southern end
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2017, 11:42:00 pm »
OTOH, Caltrans' April 2017 bridge log for route 710 doesn't include any bridges south of downtown Long Beach, including the existing Gerald Desmond Bridge being replaced with a new span. I've found the bridge logs to be pretty good guides to what is and isn't included in routes. The signs you linked to indicate that the existing Seaside Fwy. takes you to I-710, but doesn't convince me that it's already part of I-710.

https://goo.gl/maps/jbhBwQsXq9z ?  This is from 2012.

Later GMSV imagery shows that sign covered in greenout. Maybe the 2012 version was a sign-o?

Doubt it, since the other links were from the CA-47 interchange.

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Re: CA: I-710 southern end
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2018, 11:30:28 pm »
I would treat this topic as solved for now, but it's still on my radar. When the replacement for the Gerald Desmond Bridge opens (hopefully in 2019), we can revisit.