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UT: changes and errors
« on: November 29, 2017, 08:32:01 pm »
I noticed a few errors in the database on Utah state highways:

-UT-107's east end has been truncated to 3000 West, so it now only goes between UT-110 and 3000 W.
-UT-85 has now been extended north to 4100 South, the database only shows the north end at 5400 S.
-UT-190 doesn't go to Brighton ski resort and end. Instead it goes up the mountain more from Brighton and ends at the Salt Lake/Wasatch county line.
-UT-193 has been extended further west. Instead of ending at UT-126, it now ends at 108. (EDIT: since been extended further, to 3000 West)
-UT-252 goes east on 2500 North from 1000 West to US 91, the database has it ending at 2500 N.

I also have a suggestion that UT-134 should probably have a waypoint at UT-126.
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Re: UT: recent changes
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2017, 03:14:51 pm »
-UT-190 doesn't go to Brighton ski resort and end. Instead it goes up the mountain more from Brighton and ends at the Salt Lake/Wasatch county line.
We talked about this earlier; the legal route description includes both the Brighton Loop and Guardsman Pass Road, while the signage at that area is not really there. I know the last time I was there, there was no indicator that UT 190 went up Guardsman Pass; I only found that out  when I looked at the UDOT database (that was in 2012 though). Additionally, from GMSV the road to Brighton is clearly the main thoroughfare while Guardsman Pass Road is a one lane road veering off the side of the canyon (relevant).

Attachment is a screenshot of the UT database; the link is here if anyone wants to go there and see for themselves.
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Re: UT: recent changes
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2018, 08:09:48 pm »
Some more major things I found:

-There is a new UT-135, which goes along Pleasant Grove Blvd from 4850 West/2800 West east across I-15 to 700 North.
-There is also a UT-129, which begins at US 89 in Lindon, following 700 North and North County Blvd, ending at UT 92.
-UT-146 has been decommissioned (as part of a road swap in exchange for UT 129 being created).
-There is a new UT-131, which runs south from 14600 South along Porter Rockwell Rd as far as the road goes (they're planning to build a bridge  across the Jordan and connect it with Porter Rockwell Blvd on the other side)

And then some nitpicky things, some of which may or may not need to change:
-UT-151 ends just after the I-15 junction, not at US 89. There is a pavement change and an END STATE MAINTENANCE sign at the END 151 sign just after the I-15 interchange.
-UT 268 extends west to the next street past I-15 (800 West), where the eastbound direction has a mile 0 marker and an East 268 sign.
-UT 186 actually ends at the Parleys Way interchange; the roads south of there are considered ramps.
-UT 106 extends west past I-15 to the street at the bottom of the bridge over the train tracks, where there is an End state maintenance sign westbound and an East 106 sign eastbound.
-UT 126 extends east on Layton Parkway past I-15 to Fort Lane.
-UT 103's east end is actually at I-15.
-UT 154 extends past I-15 to the next light (13800 South) -- this is well signed.
-UT 92 extends west to the next light (as noted below, this is signed).

And I'm sure there are a lot more.
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Re: UT: recent changes
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2018, 11:16:45 pm »
-UT 268 extends west to the next street past I-15 (800 West), where the eastbound direction has a mile 0 marker and an East 268 sign.
-UT 106 extends west past I-15 to the street at the bottom of the bridge over the train tracks, where there is an End state maintenance sign westbound and an East 106 sign eastbound.
-UT 126 extends east on Layton Parkway past I-15 to Fort Lane.
-UT 103's east end is actually at I-15.
-UT 60 extends east of US 89 to the frontage road.
-UT 224 extends north of I-80 to Rasmussen/Bitner Road.
-UT 65 extends slightly south of I-80 to the gun range road.
There seems to be a lot of those; i.e. the state maintenance continues after the exit to the next intersection (UT 138, UT 54, UT 92, and likely more that I don't want to look up right now). Unfortunately, Utah signs the majority of them ridiculously well (a sign at the UT 92/I-15 junction directs traffic on UT 92 west... which then ends in a block).
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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 12:03:25 am »
There seems to be a lot of those; i.e. the state maintenance continues after the exit to the next intersection (UT 138, UT 54, UT 92, and likely more that I don't want to look up right now). Unfortunately, Utah signs the majority of them ridiculously well (a sign at the UT 92/I-15 junction directs traffic on UT 92 west... which then ends in a block).

That's why UT 151's east end should be moved back to I-15, because eastbound 10600 South is actually not signed as SR-151.
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Re: UT: recent changes
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2018, 04:34:59 pm »
-UT-190 doesn't go to Brighton ski resort and end. Instead it goes up the mountain more from Brighton and ends at the Salt Lake/Wasatch county line.
We talked about this earlier; the legal route description includes both the Brighton Loop and Guardsman Pass Road, while the signage at that area is not really there. I know the last time I was there, there was no indicator that UT 190 went up Guardsman Pass; I only found that out  when I looked at the UDOT database (that was in 2012 though). Additionally, from GMSV the road to Brighton is clearly the main thoroughfare while Guardsman Pass Road is a one lane road veering off the side of the canyon (relevant).

Attachment is a screenshot of the UT database; the link is here if anyone wants to go there and see for themselves.

It's definitely UT 190 though. In fact, here are some GSVs showing the mileposts for SR-190 on that road:
Mile 17
Mile 18
Mile 19

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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2018, 07:30:32 am »
Some more Utah things reported in https://github.com/TravelMapping/UserData/pull/1277

This updated .list file has several changes in state highways not reflected in TM database:

    UT 146 has been decommissioned.

    There is a new UT-129. It runs from US 89 in Lindon west on 700 North, then north on 2000 West/North County Blvd all the way to SR-92 in Highland. The new road should have waypoints US89_S, UT135, US89_N, and UT92 at least.

    There is a new UT-135. It runs on Pleasant Grove Blvd, from 2800 West northeast across I-15 to North County Blvd (UT-129). That road should have waypoints 2800W, I-15, and UT129 at least.

Also, US 89 should have added waypoints UT129_S and UT129_N. (and maybe delete UT146? or otherwise just change it to 100E?)

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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2018, 03:46:47 pm »
A few things I noticed today:

-UT 193 has been extended west again, now ending at 3000 West. Both Google Maps and OSM show this. TM currently has 193's west end at 126.
-The east end of UT 107 has been truncated to 3000 West, with an "END" sign posted.
-TM shows UT 232 as continuing north past 193 to the Hill Air Force Base gate. While that is the legislative description for the route, signage at the 232/193 intersection clearly shows that 232 only goes south from 193. There's even an END 232 sign at 193.
-TM shows the west end of UT 225 at Clark Lane. As of 2011, the west end of the route is now at the west end of the bridge over the train tracks, and there is no 225 signage anywhere west of I-15.
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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2018, 12:17:09 am »
Due to a confluence of factors involving me being bored and someone bringing to my attention that there are several needed updates to Utah that have been languishing for a while, I've decided to step in and address the clear cut ones here.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2075

This includes:
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-UT-107's east end has been truncated to 3000 West, so it now only goes between UT-110 and 3000 W.
-UT-85 has now been extended north to 4100 South, the database only shows the north end at 5400 S.
-UT-193 has been extended further west. Instead of ending at UT-126, it now ends at 108. (EDIT: since been extended further, to 3000 West)
-UT-252 goes east on 2500 North from 1000 West to US 91, the database has it ending at 2500 N.
- I also have a suggestion that UT-134 should probably have a waypoint at UT-126.
-There is a new UT-135, which goes along Pleasant Grove Blvd from 4850 West/2800 West east across I-15 to 700 North.
-There is also a UT-129, which begins at US 89 in Lindon, following 700 North and North County Blvd, ending at UT 92.
-UT-146 has been decommissioned (as part of a road swap in exchange for UT 129 being created).
-TM shows the west end of UT 225 at Clark Lane. As of 2011, the west end of the route is now at the west end of the bridge over the train tracks, and there is no 225 signage anywhere west of I-15.

It does not include:
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-UT-190 doesn't go to Brighton ski resort and end. Instead it goes up the mountain more from Brighton and ends at the Salt Lake/Wasatch county line.
Due it being a generally weird situation (look up UT 190 here and see what you get...),  we need to figure out how we want to handle this, if we want to handle it (the eastern fork may be unsigned it sounds like). So I'm leaving this alone.

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-There is a new UT-131, which runs south from 14600 South along Porter Rockwell Rd as far as the road goes (they're planning to build a bridge  across the Jordan and connect it with Porter Rockwell Blvd on the other side)
I cannot find any evidence that UT 131 is signed.

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-TM shows UT 232 as continuing north past 193 to the Hill Air Force Base gate. While that is the legislative description for the route, signage at the 232/193 intersection clearly shows that 232 only goes south from 193. There's even an END 232 sign at 193.
While I think it should be truncated, this is open for debate and I'm not going to act unilaterally on this sans any consensus being reached.

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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2018, 12:23:54 am »
Assuming you got NickCPDX's blessing for this, you may want to refer to the related GitHub issue, where he weighed in recently.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/issues/662
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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2018, 12:42:56 am »

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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2018, 02:51:57 am »
Assuming you got NickCPDX's blessing for this, you may want to refer to the related GitHub issue, where he weighed in recently.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/issues/662

That issue adds in something for UT 308, that I brought up in the forum in a separate topic this May.

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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2018, 08:16:17 pm »
Assuming you got NickCPDX's blessing for this, you may want to refer to the related GitHub issue, where he weighed in recently.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/issues/662

Hmm.

Well, I will openly admit that I acted unilaterally - NickCPDX has not logged into the forum since March and no action had been taken on items that were posted here last November. So I was operating under the assumption that with the person who is supposed to be responsible for this apparently MIA, someone else had to step up or it wasn't getting done.

Anyway, I added a comment there to help close the loop.

Nick... Utah's still yours, so feel free to continue addressing any further changes that may need to be made.

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Re: UT: changes and errors
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 04:12:43 pm »
Slight change of circumstances, I now officially maintain Utah.

The suggestion truncation of UT 232 was made last week and I've gone ahead and extended UT 190 around the Brighton Loop and up to Guardsman Pass. This produces a weird concurrency of UT 190 with itself but the route is officially defined by the state as such.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2129

This topic is therefore now solved.