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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2018, 01:45:07 pm »

...though there is incomplete coverage of auxiliary routes like 10A and 41A, which are not separately inventoried or shapefiled.



They are actually inventoried, but buried within the mainline entry.  On the left side where it shows road name, RUA and LUA designations are the auxilliary routes.  The ones that are actually signed are named as points on the MUA segments.  The easiest entry to see this clearly is the SK 52 entry.  It shows the SK 52 inventory with SK 52A as two segments nestled in there.

You appear to have all the posted ones covered.  I spot checked some lengthier LUA and RUA routes and none seem posted on GMSV...it appears they only post the ones that connect to a posted route on both ends.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2018, 01:48:14 pm »
Found that in this document:  http://publications.gov.sk.ca/documents/18/104925-Travel%20on%20Saskatchewan%20Highways%202016%20(2).pdf
I searched the linked document for the strings:

subtotal highway 375
subtotal highway 394
subtotal highway 396
highway no. 375
highway no. 394
highway no. 396


No results.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2018, 05:03:48 pm »
Yeah, I'm now convinced that the supposed unsigned routes 375, 394, and 396 are not (any longer) province-maintained.

Tonight's pull request will remove 394 and 396 from the HB (375 already gone), make conforming changes to intersecting routes, and add 56 and 204. I'll defer the other changes yakra suggested to a later pull request, including the complicated change to 363. That route's shapefile doesn't match the signed route in Moose Jaw, but the signed route was a real mess when I clinched it in 2016, and it's possible I accidentally clinched the shapefile route while trying to follow the signed route.

BTW, 364 is in the traffic count report, but not in the HB. This route is well-known to be unsigned. I expect to be back that way this summer, and will try to check on whether that's changed now with major improvements to the 364/TCH 1 interchange.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2018, 08:47:13 pm »
For SK 11, could Vic Boulevard be added as a waypoint? It's a relatively new exit just south of the southeast corner of Circle Dr in Saskatoon.

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2018, 08:48:57 pm »


BTW, 364 is in the traffic count report, but not in the HB. This route is well-known to be unsigned. I expect to be back that way this summer, and will try to check on whether that's changed now with major improvements to the 364/TCH 1 interchange.

They deposted it since 2013?
https://goo.gl/maps/bi11Co4S3kN2
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2018, 08:57:40 pm »


BTW, 364 is in the traffic count report, but not in the HB. This route is well-known to be unsigned. I expect to be back that way this summer, and will try to check on whether that's changed now with major improvements to the 364/TCH 1 interchange.

They deposted it since 2013?
https://goo.gl/maps/bi11Co4S3kN2
https://goo.gl/maps/oD6wnRTsgdM2
https://goo.gl/maps/dq5dVBhPVhk

I have a photo of SK 364 taken on SK 10 (heading eastbound) from April 25, 2017


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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2018, 09:17:24 pm »
Oops -- SK 364 is already in the HB. I had it confused with the nearby Pilot Butte access road, which Wikipedia (but apparently not the transportation ministry) says is unsigned SK 362.

For SK 11, could Vic Boulevard be added as a waypoint? It's a relatively new exit just south of the southeast corner of Circle Dr in Saskatoon.

Done in my local copy, but won't be in tonight's update.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2018, 09:52:44 pm »
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That route's shapefile doesn't match the signed route in Moose Jaw, but the signed route was a real mess when I clinched it in 2016, and it's possible I accidentally clinched the shapefile route while trying to follow the signed route.
From what I could see in GMSV (not much), it's a mess, yes; no signs for a lot of the would-be could-be turns, but what signage I found all seemed to indicate the shapefile route, and not anything else. Did you see otherwise when you were there? The real kicker for me is the signed turn from Manitoba onto 3rd.
FWIW, did you travel thru the area eastbound or westbound?

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2018, 10:06:18 pm »
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That route's shapefile doesn't match the signed route in Moose Jaw, but the signed route was a real mess when I clinched it in 2016, and it's possible I accidentally clinched the shapefile route while trying to follow the signed route.
From what I could see in GMSV (not much), it's a mess, yes; no signs for a lot of the would-be could-be turns, but what signage I found all seemed to indicate the shapefile route, and not anything else. Did you see otherwise when you were there? The real kicker for me is the signed turn from Manitoba onto 3rd.
FWIW, did you travel thru the area eastbound or westbound?

My general direction of travel was westbound, but I did a fair amount of backtracking within Moose Jaw to pick up the signed route again after I missed a turn (as you can guess, that happened more than once).

I took SK 363 mainly to clinch a layer of rural municipalities (SK's county equivalents), but had enough time to try to clinch the route while I was at it.

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2018, 07:24:34 am »
All the westbound turns are signed:

3rd at High - https://goo.gl/maps/MgV4sq49kQH2
High at 9th (arrow missing since ~2014) - https://goo.gl/maps/4PR9azR9dKv

Eastbound turn only currently signed at 9th and High.  The High at 3rd sign was removed sometime after 2009.  3rd at Manitoba shows shield removed prior to GMSV 2009.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2018, 09:52:47 am »
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SK 102 -- North end within Southend unclear.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.331620&lon=-103.292101
Is this compatible with what you've seen elsewhere?

That point is about 2 miles west of Southend. All the online maps and Wikipedia (which seems to follow what the online maps say, rather than using primary sources) have SK 102 continuing across the Reindeer River into Southend. However, 2008 MapArt has it ending roughly where the shapefile has it. The 2016-17 official road map seems to have SK 102 ending at but not crossing the Reindeer River. The traffic count document has SK 102 ending at "Southend Access", 22.02km east of jct SK 905, which looks like a rough match for the above shapefile coordinates and definitely stopping short of the river.

With no GMSV coverage up there, and not having traveled that far north on SK 102 (I turned around at the La Ronge airport entrance), I'll just go with what the shapefile says.

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2018, 07:09:56 pm »
Double-checking the traffic count report, it looks like the HB leaves out some mileage on SK 54 (north end in Regina Beach), SK 60 (south end within Pike Lake PP), and SK 202 (east end within Buffalo Pound PP). Tonight's pull request will include edits with my best guesses of the correct endpoints indicated by the traffic count report, but it would be useful to check the shapefiles for those routes.

BTW, the report includes maps toward the end, one of which confirms that SK 39 has been relocated to the Estevan Bypass, and the old route through Estevan converted to SK 39A. The HB already reflects this.

After the above three endpoints are nailed down, and I've added cansk entries to my list file, I'll move cansk into preview.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2018, 08:11:45 pm »


BTW, the report includes maps toward the end, one of which confirms that SK 39 has been relocated to the Estevan Bypass, and the old route through Estevan converted to SK 39A. The HB already reflects this.



Since this would affect the one SK route I have clinched, I poked around and there is photo evidence SK 39 was put on the bypass and 39A is signed through town:

This is the EB bypass coming back to the original routing - https://www.discoverestevan.com/images/stories/galleries/truckroutebypass/Bypass%20Opening%2092.JPG
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2018, 12:51:46 am »
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Double-checking the traffic count report, it looks like the HB leaves out some mileage on SK 54 (north end in Regina Beach), SK 60 (south end within Pike Lake PP),
Shapefiles match the HB for both.

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and SK 202 (east end within Buffalo Pound PP).
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.606698&lon=-105.434869

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2018, 01:09:19 am »
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Double-checking the traffic count report, it looks like the HB leaves out some mileage on SK 54 (north end in Regina Beach), SK 60 (south end within Pike Lake PP),
Shapefiles match the HB for both.

Just to clarify, are you referring to the versions I updated a few hours ago? The current HB version of SK 54 ends at RaiAve in Regina Beach (BTW, there are Railway Avenues most everywhere in SK, even more common than Main Streets). The current HB version of SK 60 ends well within the provincial park, rather than at the boundary.