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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #90 on: January 03, 2019, 04:09:24 pm »
My notes for routes 102 through 271:

SK210
-change WP5 "SK22/35" --> "SK35"

SK211
-add WP @ "TR330" (turn required)

SK219
-add WP @ "TR271" (turn required)
-change WP16 "CirDr" --> "SK11"
-change WP17 "SK11" --> "IdylDr"

SK221
-change WP0 "CypHillP" --> "CypHillPP"

SK240
-relocate WP1 "CanAccRd" south by 260 m

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #91 on: January 04, 2019, 07:29:29 pm »
My notes for routes 102 through 271:

SK210
-change WP5 "SK22/35" --> "SK35"

In my local copy.

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SK211
-add WP @ "TR330" (turn required)

I'm guessing you're referring to the unsigned road east of Blackstrap Lake, continuing straight after the paved road turns south to the provincial park. There is another turn on the other side of the lake, where SK 211 turns south and the road continuing east takes you to Shields (which is how it's marked). I've relabeled that previously hidden point Shi, though it might be TR331_E based on where it fits in the grid.

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SK219
-add WP @ "TR271" (turn required)
-change WP16 "CirDr" --> "SK11"
-change WP17 "SK11" --> "IdylDr"

First change in my local copy. The other two don't match where the HB routes SK 11 through Saskatoon, an open issue to be revisited before activation.

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SK221
-change WP0 "CypHillP" --> "CypHillPP"

The current label for "Cypress Hills Interprovincial Park" (shared with Alberta province) is correct. (A bit awkward that many fonts, including the one used by this forum, make it hard to distinguish between lower-case "l" and capital "I".)

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SK240
-relocate WP1 "CanAccRd" south by 260 m

In my local copy.

EDIT: Changes for SK 210 through SK 240 in the HB.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2019, 09:09:33 am »
Some drone video on the Regina Bypass project indicates a 3.8-mile part of the west leg of the Regina Bypass (from TCH 1 to Rotary Avenue) is partially open to traffic, and signed as part of SK 11 (see video at 7:05). That and some less clear parts of the video suggest that SK 11 will end up as a lollipop-shaped route, curling south of Regina including part of the to-be-bypassed part of TCH 1, then continuing north on the west bypass leg to intersect itself north of Regina. I'll hold off on adding the new segment to the HB, until the next drone video or other info confirms the above, by which time more new roadway might be open.

OSM not only shows that segment as open, but also that it and other open parts of the Bypass have been assigned exit numbers (east to west, for the Bypass segments on or to be added to TCH 1). Saskatchewan hasn't done exit numbers up to now, and the various drone videos on the Regina Bypass site don't show any either. I'll believe that when I see it. The guide sign plan julmac mentions in the following post makes provision for the addition of exit numbers at some point, but apparently not yet.

The project website has a target completion date for the entire project of October 31, 2019. Hopefully that will happen before next winter's snows.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #93 on: March 24, 2019, 12:33:26 am »
Some drone video on the Regina Bypass project indicates a 3.8-mile part of the west leg of the Regina Bypass (from TCH 1 to Rotary Avenue) is partially open to traffic, and signed as part of SK 11 (see video at 7:05). That and some less clear parts of the video suggest that SK 11 will end up as a lollipop-shaped route, curling south of Regina including part of the to-be-bypassed part of TCH 1, then continuing north on the west bypass leg to intersect itself north of Regina. I'll hold off on adding the new segment to the HB, until the next drone video or other info confirms the above, by which time more new roadway might be open.

OSM not only shows that segment as open, but also that it and other open parts of the Bypass have been assigned exit numbers (east to west, for the Bypass segments on or to be added to TCH 1). Saskatchewan hasn't done exit numbers up to now, and the various drone videos on the Regina Bypass site don't show any either. I'll believe that when I see it.

The project website has a target completion date for the entire project of October 31, 2019. Hopefully that will happen before next winter's snows.

Not quite; according to the guide sign plan the west leg will be SK11 and the south leg will be TC 1, leaving the existing "bypassed" sections of those routes unnumbered, at least in the "inbound" directions. I found the guide sign plan for the full bypass here:https://tinyurl.com/y47dwnbn.

Presumably, no changes will be made to the "outbound" directions (existing signs for TC 1 and SK 11 will remain), which will be odd (two Highway 11s ?). If this is the case I suggest that those bypassed sections be retained in the highway browser within the cannf system.

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #94 on: March 24, 2019, 12:44:15 am »
My notes for routes 301 through 350:

SK303
-add WP @ "SK675_N"
-change WP5 "SK675" --> "SK675_S"

SK310
-change WP0 "SK10/22" -->"SK10"
-change SP15 to WP (main access to West Bend)
-add WPs @ South Railway Ave (Foam Lake) - turns required

SK312
-add WP @ "RR54" (south of Waldheim) for improved shaping

SK321
-change WP1 "MuhAve" --> "SK635_S"
-change WP2 "SK635" --> "SK635_N"

SK335
-add WP @ Zenon Park Access Road

SK343
-add WP @ "RR162" (turn required)

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #95 on: March 24, 2019, 02:23:43 pm »
My notes for routes 301 through 350:

SK321
-change WP1 "MuhAve" --> "SK635_S"
-change WP2 "SK635" --> "SK635_N"

MapArt 2008 supports these suggestions, but the most recent provincial and SARM maps support leaving the SK635 point as is. GMSV of SK 321 doesn't help one way or the other, but of SK 371 it suggests SK 635 goes south from the SK635 point on SK 321 (to the SK 635_N point on SK 371), rather than from the MuhAve point. So I'm leaving this alone.

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SK335
-add WP @ Zenon Park Access Road

Since GMSV has no coverage up there, and none of our online maps identify the road (MapArt 2008 shows it, at least), I'm guessing the access road is the one heading due north from Zenon Park, just west of the Arborfield RM boundary, and about exactly equidistant from SK 691 and SK 23. That's where I added the new ZenParkRd waypoint in my local copy.

All the other changes look good. They're in my local files, and I'll pull them in later (maybe wait for your comments on the remaining routes 354-397).
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2019, 07:16:54 pm »
Also, when I add the above changes to the HB (my Internet connection is pretty flaky right around now), I'll include a route file for the new Regina Bypass leg of SK 11 west of Regina, between TCH 1 and the Rotary Ave. interchange. That segment will be separate from the rest of SK 11 for now, but they will be combined when the Bypass is completed.

At some point, I'll need to check on what happens to the existing SK 11 on the east side of Regina. I'll leave that alone for now.

Also, the west endpoint of SK 33 will be relabeled SK1/6. After completion of the Bypass, SK 33's west endpoint will become SK6, with the RegByp point becoming SK1.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #97 on: March 31, 2019, 06:54:39 pm »
My notes for routes 301 through 350:

SK321
-change WP1 "MuhAve" --> "SK635_S"
-change WP2 "SK635" --> "SK635_N"

MapArt 2008 supports these suggestions, but the most recent provincial and SARM maps support leaving the SK635 point as is. GMSV of SK 321 doesn't help one way or the other, but of SK 371 it suggests SK 635 goes south from the SK635 point on SK 321 (to the SK 635_N point on SK 371), rather than from the MuhAve point. So I'm leaving this alone.

These GMSV images on SK371 seem to support the route of SK635 heading north to Burstall:
https://goo.gl/maps/1JHn8dDBiP62
https://goo.gl/maps/9wokULNk3t52

But as long as there is a WP, I'm not so worried about it.

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #98 on: March 31, 2019, 10:01:28 pm »
Thanx. BTW, the changes mentioned above are now in the HB, including the one on SK 33 that broke both of our list files. That was an instance where list files had to be broken at some point, and better now than after cansk is activated.

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #99 on: April 06, 2019, 08:54:54 pm »
My notes for routes 354 through 397:

SK354
- truncate to WP4 "RaiAve" (not signed as SK354 along Railway Ave)

SK365
-change WP4 "SK761" --> "TR322"

SK371 (with SK321 changes)
-change WP2 "TR174" --> "SK635_N"
-change WP3 "SK635_N" --> "RR282"

SK376
-move WP3 "RaiAve" a bit further north to "RR113" (turn point)

SK377
-move WP2 "PetAve" east to "HelAve" (Peterson Ave is a lane at this point and Healy Ave is a better shaping point)

SK379
-add WP @ Schoenfeld Access Road

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #100 on: April 07, 2019, 05:42:25 pm »
My notes for routes 354 through 397:

SK354
- truncate to WP4 "RaiAve" (not signed as SK354 along Railway Ave)

The 2016 provincial traffic volumes report shows the north end of that route at Churchill St. in Dilke, where the HB has it now.

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SK365
-change WP4 "SK761" --> "TR322"

The latest official provincial road map, and SARM's latest map, indicates SK 761 intersects SK 365 there. (Online mapping is inconsistent.) Moreover, I had to detour there around a closed crossing of Little Manitou Lake sometime in the last five years. My notes show the detour route turned east on SK 761 from SK 365, then swung south on SK 668 to Watrous.

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SK371 (with SK321 changes)
-change WP2 "TR174" --> "SK635_N"
-change WP3 "SK635_N" --> "RR282"
I'm leaving these alone, for the same reasons I left SK 321 alone.

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SK376
-move WP3 "RaiAve" a bit further north to "RR113" (turn point)

My only problem with that is that RaiAve was my turn point, into Arelee to search for the rural municipality office (which I found, only it was closed for several weeks on a summer break). So either I add an RR113 point only 0.02 mi. north of the RaiAve point (which would trigger a PITA near-miss point log entry), or I replace RaiAve with RR113 in my list file and claim a little more mileage than I actually traveled. Or I replace RaiAve in the route file with 1stAve 0.09 mi. to the south, and use that in my list file, since I prefer to claim too little mileage than too much.

I've done the last option in my local copy. I also added a waypoint between SK 40 and SK 324, to fix a visible distance issue.

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SK377
-move WP2 "PetAve" east to "HelAve" (Peterson Ave is a lane at this point and Healy Ave is a better shaping point)
I instead replaced PetAve with two points, RaiAve to the east (where the highway turns southeast), and RR184 to the west for a visible distance issue.

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SK379
-add WP @ Schoenfeld Access Road

In my local copy.

EDIT:  Updates for SK 376, SK 377, and SK 379 now in the HB.

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I think this completes your review -- thank you very much for your detailed and helpful comments!

The next question is what else we need to do before activating cansk, aside from technical stuff such as my clearing items from the Datacheck log. My guess is the most important and perhaps only item is to nail down the routing of SK 11 in the Saskatoon area, where the signage is seriously inconsistent, the shapefiles are inconsistent as well, and the traffic volumes report seems confusing within Saskatoon city limits. Maybe both see what the latest shapefile says, and talk to somebody in the infrastructure ministry who can explain what the heck is going on with SK 11 in Saskatoon (and maybe also give us a preview of how the Regina Bypass will affect SK 11 on the east side of Regina).

I don't think we need to wait for completion of the Regina Bypass this fall (I hope). That will change an already-active TCH route, as well as several cansk routes, but these should all be manageable changes.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #101 on: April 07, 2019, 07:32:33 pm »
My notes for routes 354 through 397:

SK354
- truncate to WP4 "RaiAve" (not signed as SK354 along Railway Ave)

The 2016 provincial traffic volumes report shows the north end of that route at Churchill St. in Dilke, where the HB has it now.



Interestingly, it appears the posted endpoint of SK 354 appears to have been at the 354/732/733 jct a little east of town for many years...here is GMSV of an ancient posting with left arrow only for 354: https://goo.gl/maps/mzB3RM4bufp
Clinched:
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US: 4 6N 9W 11E 11W 13 15 19W 21 44 46 48 58 72 92 113 117 123 130 158 163 176 178 192 206 209 211 219 220 221 222 258 264 276 290 311 319 322 340 360 378 401 ew422 501 521 522 601 701
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #102 on: April 07, 2019, 08:30:59 pm »
Interestingly, it appears the posted endpoint of SK 354 appears to have been at the 354/732/733 jct a little east of town for many years...here is GMSV of an ancient posting with left arrow only for 354: https://goo.gl/maps/mzB3RM4bufp

The GMSV is 2013, but the SK 354 route marker style is really old. I spotted a similar marker on SK 47 in downtown Estevan, but nowhere else in the province. While I've never been on SK 354, I have been on more than half of the SK primary network.

Saskatchewan's route signage is OK (I've seen better, and often seen much worse), but I think the traffic volumes report is more authoritative in this instance.

EDIT: Shapefile data, reported by yakra upthread, also places SK 354's north end at Railway Ave.@Churchill St. in Dilke.
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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #103 on: May 11, 2019, 06:47:24 pm »
@yakra: Since you last discussed upthread what the shapefiles (version 9.0) said about SK 11 and other highways in and through Saskatoon, back in December 2017, is there a later edition of the shapefiles, and when you have a chance could you please take a look at what they're now saying? The last time we looked at this, various different shapefile versions differed on SK 11's routing though the Saskatoon area. Before I contact the highways ministry, it would help if I could get the latest on this.

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Re: cansk: Saskatchewan Provincial Highways (1-399)
« Reply #104 on: May 11, 2019, 10:37:11 pm »
GeoBase/GeoGratis still has files dated 2017-06-05, same as the 9.0 files I have on disk.
Elsewhere, I found Saskatchewan Upgraded Road Network (SURN) shapefiles, dated 2018-05-22.
Not the same as the GeoBase/GeoGratis files, though not dissimilar (both probably based on the same underlying data):
  • Many of the same database attributes in the DBF file, in slightly rearranged order, some spelled slightly differently. Some new attributes; some attributes missing.
  • Different Coordinate Reference System.
RTNUMBER1 for SK11 & SK16 are the same as in the 9.0 files:
  • TCH16 on the eastern leg of Circle Dr, as the HB has it now.
  • SK11 on the SW leg & Idylwyld, as the HB has it now.
  • Circle Dr has no RTNUMBER1 west of SK11 / Idylwyld.