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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2018, 03:01:39 pm »
Next question for clong or whomever can answer:  is AL 382 signed in Centreville?  According to ALDOT milepost maps, it runs from AL 219 to the east end of the bypass.

Jan 2017 GMSV shows it signed leaving AL 219:  https://goo.gl/maps/EkN38BUR2ZD2
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2018, 03:05:02 pm »
Was hoping there was signage at US 82...but GMSV is too soon for that.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2018, 06:08:17 pm »
A user on AA Roads stated that it was signed as of April 2017, but didn't give detail on where the signs were located.
I've messaged for further detail and will pass along if/when I get a response.

If I'm in the neighborhood, I'll swing thru there.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2018, 09:58:06 am »
The user on AARoads confirmed that there was a AL382 sign on the US82 end.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2018, 11:09:05 am »
In cleaning up the US routes prior to starting the state routes, I've run into a minor quandry with TRUCK US 98 in Mobile.  The way we currently have it in the highway browser, it technically has a concurrency with mainline US 98, though it's missing a point where US 98 turns west from Broad St at Spring Hill Ave.  I believe this was implemented because of signage along eastbound Government St (US 90) approaching Broad St suggesting that TRUCK US 98 begins at Government/Broad.

The question is how to handle the waypoints on the TRUCK 98 list.  Currently, the "western endpoint" is labeled as US98_W even though US 98 technically turns east at this location.  The US 90 waypoint is US98Bro_E here.

I have three ideas on how to handle this for the TRUCK 98 list.  In both cases, the first point is the "western endpoint" at Government/Broad and the second point is where US 98 turns west at Broad/Spring Hill.  Of note is that the US98_W label is currently in use...though it's hard to say whether people thought that meant where it meets US 98 the first time or the physical location at Government/Broad:

Idea 1:
US98_W
US98Bro_W

Idea 2:
US98Bro_E +US98_W
US98Bro_W

Idea 3:
US98Bro_E
US98_W

Thoughts?  Suggestions?
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2018, 05:14:54 pm »
I like idea 2.  It's a good compromise between capturing the overlap accurately and not breaking .list files.
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2018, 01:11:32 am »
Whatever is done here, IMO the existing US98_W label should stay operational (either as the primary or an alternate label).

US98Bro would suggest there's such a US98Bro route in the HB -- US98_BroE and US98_BroW would be closer to the mark, but still miss it, as we don't use street names for these suffixes, just towns. US98_MobE is better in this regard but still a bit confusing, as the whole route is in Mobile. I think the best solution is
US98_A +US98_W
US98_B
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US98_C

if truncating US98TrkMob isn't appropriate.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2018, 09:12:26 am »
I used US98Bro because it's already in use for US 90 and I think better reflects the situation given the additional concurrency just east of the tunnels.  I suppose I could change that but it would also require changing the US 90 labels.  I am not using lettered suffixes as I fully disagree with how Tim implemented them (which seems to have been perpetuated into TM).

All three of the options I came up with continue the use of US98_W as that label is very much in use.  I'm just trying to see if there's a better way to handle this.
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2018, 09:51:03 am »
I'd say that all of US90's labels referencing US98 could use a change, so edits would be worthwhile.
Bro and Mob as noted above.
US98Spa_E would look to just wanna be US98_Spa (rather than US98_Spa) by a literal reading of the manual (IE, I have ME US1 ME9_WelE wrong). But it seems that already starting an _A _B _C process back in Mobile, continuing with US98_D would be the way to go.
I10/US98_W and I10/US98_E are interesting. With the unusual intersection layout here, I'm fine with how the point coords worked out. Labels would want to be I-10/98_W and I-10/98_E, or heck, with the way the exits are split up & signed, I-10(35) I-10(35A) I-10(35B) could even work; I rather like that.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2018, 08:31:54 pm »
Late to the discussion but...

Why not have the first two points for US 98 Trk just be:

US90
US98_W

The logic would be that the signing of US 98 Trk on Broad St past Springhill to Government is for the benefit of traffic on US 90, as US 98 EB traffic would never get to the Broad/Gov't intersection for accessing US 98 Trk...

This would be the solution if US 98 continued east of Broad with no US 98 Trk (wrong-way) duplex and US 98 Trk were still signed down to US 90.  Why does the solution have to be different since the wrong-way duplex exists?
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2018, 10:58:25 am »
Are there any bannered state routes besides BUSINESS AL 21 and TRUCK AL 47? (both in Monroeville)

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2018, 11:39:50 am »
I am not aware of any and have looked around at several places around the state that I thought there may be a possibility of one.

We may stumble across others later.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2018, 02:28:54 pm »
Two questions from southern Alabama:

- Is AL 100 signed in Andalusia?

- Is AL 302 signed in New Brockton?

GMSV is 5 years old for the former, and too old for the latter (AL 302 designated after New Brockton bypass opened 2 years ago).

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2018, 07:58:10 pm »
Two questions from southern Alabama:

- Is AL 100 signed in Andalusia?

- Is AL 302 signed in New Brockton?

GMSV is 5 years old for the former, and too old for the latter (AL 302 designated after New Brockton bypass opened 2 years ago).

There is May 2018 GMSV at each end of AL 100 showing no postings...
https://goo.gl/maps/3aEKN9ovhtL2
https://goo.gl/maps/vSPmu7NEMWP2

There is Apr 2018 GMSV showing AL 302 posted at US 84
https://goo.gl/maps/RytUNB85DMp
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2018, 11:49:49 pm »
I'd prefer something more concrete on AL 100, since there are cases where reassurance shields are posted but not trailblazers.