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Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« on: November 20, 2018, 01:35:09 pm »
System is ready for review. Please report any issue you see.

http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?u=michih&sys=deubyst

Sources and comments: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/DEU-BY/deubyst/README.md

panda80 has offered to peer-review the system :)

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2018, 11:10:05 am »
From the beginning to St2020:

DEU-BY St 1003:
Move WP BY/BW (the WP is now before the state border). In Baysis map is also before the border

DEU-BY St1066:
Rename St2222_N to St2222

DEU-BY St1082
Move WP St2025 to the actual 2-level intersection

DEU-BY St2001
Rename B32_N to B32

DEU-BY St2005
New WP OA25 (access to Ski area and cable car Hochgratbahn)

DEU-BY St2006
Rename B308_ImmW to B308

DEU-BY St2008
New WP OAL21 (Access to motorway A7 and West Füssen)

DEU-BY St2018
Remove St2020_N
Rename St2020_S to St2020

DEU-BY St2020
Rename St2018_E to NU2
Rename St2018_W to St2018
Endpoint not A96, but a little north of Intersection Hauptstraße/Industriestraße

The non-mentioned ones are ok. 

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2018, 01:05:35 pm »
DEU-BY St1066:
Rename St2222_N to St2222

I assume that St2222 is concurrent to St1066 and B25. I could also split St2222 into two routes but it's a quite long route (45mi) and the concurrency (which is surely not signed) is short (3mi).
Both could be right. I prefer not splitting. Then, St2222_N is correct because it's not intersecting here but splitting off from St1066.

DEU-BY St1082
Move WP St2025 to the actual 2-level intersection

Ups, bypass was already opened in September 2017

DEU-BY St2006
Rename B308_ImmW to B308

B308_W because there is another B308 wp "B19/B308"

DEU-BY St2008
New WP OAL21 (Access to motorway A7 and West Füssen)

Good catch but it's OAL2. I call it OAL2_E and the other one OAL2_W

DEU-BY St2018
Remove St2020_N
Rename St2020_S to St2020

Bypass was opened in June 2017...

I've also changed the uncommented issues. Thanks :)

I'll submit it to GitHub later. Should be live with the next site update.

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2018, 04:06:52 am »
DEU-BY St2023
Rename St2021_Str to St2021
 
DEU-BY St2025
New WP at GZ11 direction Burgau?

DEU-BY St2026
Move Endpoint B16 to the roundabout NW from Hausen


DEU-BY St2027Rai
Rename DON38 to DON39 or St2047n (if it exists)
In OSM is the bypass of Rain designed as St2047n…In Baysis is named just Südring…I don’t know what’s the situation there…


DEU-BY St2028
New WP DLG8?


DEU-BY St2031
New WP NU9 (Nordtangente Illertissen)

DEU-BY St2033
Rename DLG39 to St2033BliW and add a short branch St2033BliW
Rename Bli to St2033BliE and add a short branch St2033BliE, and move the WP to the middle of the intersection

DEU-BY St2035Pot
Seems that the start point is at Augsburger Straße, and the small part between B16 and Augsburger Straße is part of B16
New WP ND29?
Rename St2027_Ehe to St2027

DEU-BY St2035
Rename A6_W to AS6_W
Rename A6_E to AS6_E

DEU-BY St2040
Rename CH31_N to CHA31_N

DEU-BY St2045Lan
Rename LA19 to LAs19
Rename LA14_S to LAs14_S
Rename LA14_N to LAs14_N

DEU-BY St2051
new WP AIC10 in Friedberg

DEU-BY St2054
Rename A96(24) to B17
Rename A96(26) to A96
Rename ToB15 to St2054AST and add St2054AST?

DEU-BY St2055
Separate in 2 east and west of B17?

DEU-BY St2058
B472_E and B472_W instead of N and S

DEU-BY St2065
Rename St2344_E to St2344

DEU-BY St2067
New WP at Andechser Strasse in Erling (access to the famous Kloster Andechs)
Rename St2068_E and W to N and S
Remove last WP (according to Baysis, B471 begins south of A96, so the part between St2070_W and A96 is not St2067 anymore, but B471.

DEU-BY St2080
Rename the actual Endpoint B15_N and add a new point B15_S. According to Baysis and OSM, B15 is interrupted SE of Pfaffenhofen am Inn

DEU-BY St2082
Rename BadStr to ED2

DEU-BY St2083
New WP at South Bypass Vilshofen

DEU-BY St2091
New WP MU38 in Ampfing
Rename St2360_E and W to N and S

DEU-BY St2092
Rename St2091_W and E to N and S
Rename St2359_W and E to S and N

DEU-BY St2094
New WP TS22 (access to Kloster Seeon)

DEU-BY St2095
New WP at south bypass Traunstein

DEU-BY St2096
Rename B304_W and E to N and S

DEU-BY St2099
The endpoint is the border with Austria. You can do a St2099 Hintersee to map also the short branch to the west part of lake Hintersee. I know that it’s not allowed to drive to the border, but there is a bus service or you can go by bike. For example, St2072, between Muhle and Walchensee is also closed for private cars. There is no bus service there, I clinched it on foot...


Done until St2100.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2018, 05:37:49 am by panda80 »

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2018, 07:02:44 am »
DEU-BY St2033
Rename DLG39 to St2033BliW and add a short branch St2033BliW
Rename Bli to St2033BliE and add a short branch St2033BliE, and move the WP to the middle of the intersection

The short branch is just the ramp of the interchange.
The wp of an interchange is always (99%) positioned to the overpass/underpass and not to the middle of the i/c
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.551899&lon=10.705919

DEU-BY St2035Pot
Seems that the start point is at Augsburger Straße, and the small part between B16 and Augsburger Straße is part of B16

It's just the ramp to B16. It's usually signed "B16 AST" on mile posts (Stationszeichen). The "B16" wp is usually where "AugStr_N" is but St2035 ends here and I've closed the gap by adding the B16 AST to St2035 (0.17mi)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.715990&lon=11.178106

New WP ND29?

No

DEU-BY St2035
Rename A6_W to AS6_W
Rename A6_E to AS6_E

It should be As6 on OSM. The small "s" indicated "Stadt" (town/city) and means that the district route is maintained by the town/city. It's generally not signed. I leave it A6 (route 6 of district "Augsburg").

DEU-BY St2045Lan
Rename LA19 to LAs19
Rename LA14_S to LAs14_S
Rename LA14_N to LAs14_N

See above

DEU-BY St2054
Rename A96(24) to B17

There's a one-waypoint-per-junction-rule. A96, B17 and St2054 meet at this roundabout
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.048308&lon=10.837744

Rename A96(26) to A96

No, it's the 2nd A96 wp of this route. I could call them _W and _E but I prefer the motorway exit number.

Rename ToB15 to St2054AST and add St2054AST?

It's "green" on baysis map but it's a thin line. And St2054 is not indicated as usual. OSM does also not indicate St2054. Leave as-is.

DEU-BY St2055
Separate in 2 east and west of B17?

Only 6mi out of 76mi are concurrent with B17. The segments would be 47mi and 23mi. We've discussed it in the past (2016 or 2017) and if memory servers mapcat and I agreed that we wanna split the route if a remaining segment would be shorter than the (unsigned) concurrent segment. But the shortest remaining sement is 23mi, not less than 6mi.
We also split if there is no logical concurrent route or if the route number is changing (St1066 is also changing, see above, but I think it's better this way).

DEU-BY St2065
Rename St2344_E to St2344

No, it's concurrent up to A95

DEU-BY St2067
New WP at Andechser Strasse in Erling (access to the famous Kloster Andechs)

Yep, the brewery deserves a wp :)

Rename St2068_E and W to N and S

It usually indicates that the intersecting route leads to the east and to the west, not that the wp is more to the north or more to the south.
Only if both would lead to the east I would call them _N and _S, if you had to turn left for both routes (or vice versa)

Remove last WP (according to Baysis, B471 begins south of A96, so the part between St2070_W and A96 is not St2067 anymore, but B471.

That's tricky. There should usually only be one wp per interchange, the A96 wp. We have an exception of the one-rule-per-interchange rule because St2070 is not intersecting with A96. The segment in-between is dedicated B471 because the southern A96 i/c ramp intersects with B471 here. That's why baysis and OSM indicate B471. There are many situations like this all over Europe and I think Si and I usally handle it like this.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.083749&lon=11.151638

DEU-BY St2091
New WP MU38 in Ampfing

I generally prefer having less wps. If one really needs the wp, it's always possible to request personally needed wps via the forum.

Rename St2360_E and W to N and S

See above

DEU-BY St2095
New WP at south bypass Traunstein

I would but don't have a proper name

DEU-BY St2096
Rename B304_W and E to N and S

See above

DEU-BY St2099
The endpoint is the border with Austria. You can do a St2099 Hintersee to map also the short branch to the west part of lake Hintersee. I know that it’s not allowed to drive to the border, but there is a bus service or you can go by bike. For example, St2072, between Muhle and Walchensee is also closed for private cars. There is no bus service there, I clinched it on foot...

Done. @ALL: Any objections?

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2018, 08:09:50 am »

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2018, 09:32:09 am »
DEU-BY St2091
New WP MU38 in Ampfing

I generally prefer having less wps. If one really needs the wp, it's always possible to request personally needed wps via the forum.

Rename St2360_E and W to N and S

I would need it :) Drove once parallel to A94 and entered it in Ampfing.

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2018, 09:34:05 am »
DEU-BY St2103
New WP BGL3 in Laufen?

DEU-BY St2111
New WP at DGF15 south of the WP DGF9

DEU-BY St2115
New WP DEG28 Bypass Osterhofen

DEU-BY St2119
New WP Vilshofen South Bypass

Done until St2120.

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2018, 02:54:46 pm »
I would need it :) Drove once parallel to A94 and entered it in Ampfing.

Added.

DEU-BY St2119
New WP Vilshofen South Bypass

I would but don't have a proper name

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2018, 03:11:51 pm »
Remove last WP (according to Baysis, B471 begins south of A96, so the part between St2070_W and A96 is not St2067 anymore, but B471.

That's tricky. There should usually only be one wp per interchange, the A96 wp. We have an exception of the one-rule-per-interchange rule because St2070 is not intersecting with A96. The segment in-between is dedicated B471 because the southern A96 i/c ramp intersects with B471 here. That's why baysis and OSM indicate B471. There are many situations like this all over Europe and I think Si and I usally handle it like this.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.083749&lon=11.151638
From what I see the A96 southern ramps meet the n-s road where the St2070 heads west, and so the St2070 intersects the A96 and the points probably shouldn't be separate*. However, if that is not the case, then having the (not marked on OSM as such) St2067 as described is right as the B471 doesn't meet the St2070 either.

*Tim made me separate out dumbell interchanges into three close points, which I have tended to merge back into single points. Stuff where there's two close junctions is different to where ramps form part of a junction).

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2018, 03:17:24 pm »
However, if that is not the case, then having the (not marked on OSM as such) St2067 as described is right as the B471 doesn't meet the St2070 either.

Sorry, I don't get it. Maybe a non-native speaker problem... Should I change anything or leave as-is?

St2067 is indicated on BAYSIS.

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2018, 03:42:28 pm »
DEU-BY St2123
Baysis shows here an interruption in Grossschonbrunn. Here the route is shortly common with B299, going north till Dorfstrasse, and then turning right, meeting the actual route. If so, you have to put B299_S and B299_N.

DEU-BY St2125
New WP for A3(109)

DEU-BY St2126
New WP DEG7 in Hengersberg? It’s the town center...

DEU-BY St2127
Rename St2321_W and E to N and S

DEU-BY St2132
Rename REG24 to FRG24

DEU-BY St2135
Different routing in Regen, coming from north,left on Zwieseler Str. till B11, then concurrent with B11 until B11_W.
 
DEU-BY St2140
Rename St2139Gra to St2138Gra

DEU-BY St2141
New WP at Alfred-Dick-Ring

DEU-BY St2145
Rename St2150_W to St2150_S
New WP SAD15 (Bypass Nittenau)

DEU-BY St2146
Rename St2147_E and W to S and N

DEU-BY St2147
Rename St2139_E and W to N and S

DEU-BY St2149
Rename B15_S and N to St2397_S and N (seems that B15 north of B16 Regensburg has been rededicated as St2397). Then St2397 has to be corrected, to reach B16.

DEU-BY St2150
New WP SAD1_W in Bruck in der Oberpfalz (fast access to A93) and rename SAD1 to SAD1_E
Rename St2050 to St2040

DEU-BY St2156
Rename St2140_N to St2040_W
Rename St2140_S to St2040_E

DEU-BY St2159
Rename St2140_S and N to St2040_S and N

DEU-BY St2160
Rename St2152_E and W to N and S

DEU-BY St2165
Rename R30 to R32

DEU-BY St2167
There seem to be also a St2170AST in Falkenberg. If so, you have to add a WP St2170AST and add St2170AST as a route in HB.

DEU-BY St2170
There seem to be also a St2170AST in Falkenberg. If so, you have to add a WP St2170AST and add St2170AST as a route in HB.

DEU-BY St2173
Rename TIR2 to TIR1

DEU-BY St2179
Rename WUN15 to WUN16

DEU-BY St2181
It has 2 branches in Erbendorf. Add WP St2181Erb and add St2181Erb to the HB.

DEU-BY St2190
Starts in Kulmbach from B289, not from B85

DEU-BY St2197
New WP at Äußerer Frankenring (South Bypass of Bad Staffelstein)

Done until St2200.
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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2018, 04:38:43 am »
However, if that is not the case, then having the (not marked on OSM as such) St2067 as described is right as the B471 doesn't meet the St2070 either.

Sorry, I don't get it. Maybe a non-native speaker problem... Should I change anything or leave as-is?
If the St2070 to the west doesn't meet the n-s road at a crossroads with the A96 ramps, then leave-as-is.

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Re: Bavaria Staatsstraßen (deubyst)
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2018, 12:47:09 pm »
If the St2070 to the west doesn't meet the n-s road at a crossroads with the A96 ramps, then leave-as-is.

I don't know when I've started but I do position wps quite often like this. There are a lot all over my regions. Is eliminating these wps a MUST for you or just a recommendation?


DEU-BY St2125
New WP for A3(109)

I've renamed the existing one.

DEU-BY St2149
Rename B15_S and N to St2397_S and N (seems that B15 north of B16 Regensburg has been rededicated as St2397). Then St2397 has to be corrected, to reach B16.

Please refer to https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/DEU-BY/deub/README.md
The next mauttabelle update should be published next week. I'll hold off.

DEU-BY St2167/St2170
There seem to be also a St2170AST in Falkenberg. If so, you have to add a WP St2170AST and add St2170AST as a route in HB.

No AST, but the positions of the wps are wrong. I had to split it because it's not a full interchange but a partial grade-separated interchange only. I made this fault more often back then when I've plotted deubyst system. Please report errors like this!


I'll go traveling tomorrow. It'ö likely that I won't apply or comment your suggestions for the next 3 weeks. However, you can continue the review. I'll have enough time to check it at the end of the year.