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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2019, 04:56:28 pm »
BlvdZer: Really necessary?

I think so, if one comes to visit the Medina of Oujda (old city), he/she will most probably stop there. Oujda is quite a big city, I think it deserves the 5 Wps it has.

Gue_E: I think it should be a hidden wp (to be synced with N15)

Couldn't find it. There are just N15_N and N15_S as WP concurrent with N15.

N11_N/_S --> N11_E/_W

For me is N11, which links Agadir with Settat, a north-south route.

Are R roads signed? You might add the system next or minimum before activation of marn.
They are signed, at least on kilometer marks. I plan to add them in the near to mid future (4-6 months), after adding roudj and reviewing the remaining deu 5-tier Systems.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2019, 02:33:58 am »
BlvdZer: Really necessary?

I think so, if one comes to visit the Medina of Oujda (old city), he/she will most probably stop there. Oujda is quite a big city, I think it deserves the 5 Wps it has.

Sure, for pedestrians. But there's no parking lot. I guess that one would leave N6 north or south of the old town. We need wps where people might have their endpoint of the route. I prefer having no wp here and add one by user request only. The requested point would be more accurate then. It's your decision though. If you need the point, just add it!

Gue_E: I think it should be a hidden wp (to be synced with N15)

Couldn't find it. There are just N15_N and N15_S as WP concurrent with N15.

There's another one in-between on both routes:

Gue_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.241413&lon=-3.323573

Edit: you've removed it for N6 but forgot syncing with N15: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2540/commits/000e2fa9bb85286debd30c84c0b15af1b74ad047

Are R roads signed? You might add the system next or minimum before activation of marn.
They are signed, at least on kilometer marks. I plan to add them in the near to mid future (4-6 months)

Ok. Do you already consider all R wps? Do you have a full list of routes?


MAR N2:
Move RouCha to the underpass

Did you forget it or do you not agree with the change?
« Last Edit: January 20, 2019, 02:50:52 am by michih »

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2019, 05:31:48 am »
MAR N10:

P1009 is off

P1704 is off

P1743 is off

P1503 is off

P1702 is off

AveMoh --> AveMohVI

P1514 --> P1502_W

P1502 --> P1502_E

P1504 is off

P1500 is off

Move N13_N to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.918674&lon=-4.447671 and sync with N13

RocErr: Source? I couldn't find any street name. Maybe Tig? (Sync with N13)

Move +X69 to the north and remove +X70

Remove +X59

Move +X56 a little bit to the east

Remove +X25

Remove +X22 and move +X21 a little bit to the north

Point for P1705 in Ouled-Teima


MAR N11:

A3 wp N8_D needs to be renamed since here's no N8. Point is in use (by you, cinx and dscarroll) and needs to be kept as alt label
Add shaping point for A3 just north of it as you've done for N11

R114A is P1708 according to OSM. What's your source?

A3 wp N8_C should be renamed to N11_Arg (currently not is use)

P2040 is off

P2034 is off

R212 is off

Wp for A3 north of R214! A3_Imi?

A3 wp N8_B needs to be renamed to N11_Imi too.

P2026_E is off

P2026_W is off

P2005 is off

P2322 is off

P2310 is off

R206_W is off

Move R303 to the center of the roundabout

P3447 --> P3447_S

Move R314 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.828512&lon=-8.088974 (I think both branches have the same function)

R316 --> R316_W

P3618 is off

P3613 is off

Move +X23 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.857383&lon=-8.050210


MAR N11A:

Fine


MAR N12:

Please reverse order of the route (button in wpt editor)

Move P7103 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.781549&lon=-5.452459

P3218 is off

P3214 is off

P3231 is off

+X45 is off

ToN8: Is there a corresponding point at N8? If not, add it.

P3619: Source? Cannot find it on any map but P3633 "parallel" only. Rename to Lou?

A3 wp N11 should be renamed to N12_S

A3 wp N11_S should be renamed to N12_N

Remove +X49

Remove +X35

Remove +X23

Move +X24 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.155155&lon=-5.598441

Remove +X16


MAR N13:

Move P4013 a little bit to the east

P4540 is off

P7004 is off

P7006 --> P7006_E

AveMoulIsm --> AveMouIsm

P7058: Source? Cannot find it on any map (just far away east of N6)

P7040 is off

Move P712 to the center of the roundabout

Move R402/R716 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.689150&lon=-5.374817

Move R707 to the center of the roundabout

P7211 --> P7203; wp is also off

P7215 is off

P7231 is off

P7227 is off

Move N29_N to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.886282&lon=-4.968535 and sync N29

P7314 is off

PoiPom: Source?

Move N15 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.668100&lon=-4.627894 and sync N15

Move +X67 to the east

Move +X62 to the north and remove +X63

Move +X56 a little bit to the south

Remove +X50

Remove +X47

Remove +X30 and move +X29 a little bit to the east

Remove +X28 and move +X27 a little bit to the west

Remove +X11 and +X12

Remove +X5 and move +X4 a little bit to the east



General notes:

It's funny that your wps are often positioned inaccurate but you're shaping points are usually perfectly positioned :)

All Autoroutes should be checked for updated label names (load points in use to wpt editor and keep alt labels if necessary). It's an active system, be careful and don't rename routes(!) w/o notification indicating the source on the forum first (for instance, A7 and A9 indication on OSM east of Berrechid look wrong, no change to TM required).

I've added N8-N13 to csv files. Have you already set-up data check so that you could try to edit csvs yourself?

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2019, 06:48:19 am »
Sure, for pedestrians. But there's no parking lot. I guess that one would leave N6 north or south of the old town. We need wps where people might have their endpoint of the route. I prefer having no wp here and add one by user request only. The requested point would be more accurate then. It's your decision though. If you need the point, just add it!
Convinced, deleted, if someone needs the point, should request it.

There's another one in-between on both routes:
Gue_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.241413&lon=-3.323573
Edit: you've removed it for N6 but forgot syncing with N15: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2540/commits/000e2fa9bb85286debd30c84c0b15af1b74ad047
Corrected, comes with the next pull request.

Ok. Do you already consider all R wps? Do you have a full list of routes?
Yes, I think I added all N x R intersections. Don't have until now a full list, I will search later, when I will start introducing them.

MAR N2:
Move RouCha to the underpass
Did you forget it or do you not agree with the change?

Forgot, comes with the the next pull request.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2019, 08:48:15 am »
MAR N14:

Remove +X2 and +X3

Remove +X11 and +X12

Are you sure about the border location?


ESH N14:

Remove +X21

Remove +X27

Remove +X35 and +X36

Remove +X44


MAR N15:

P5408 is off

Replace Gue_N by a shaping point. Same for Gue_E, see N6

P5435 is off

P5434 is off

P5102 --> P5102_W

R601 is off

P5121 is off

Remove +X18, +X17 might be moved a little bit to the south and +X16 removed too

Move +X5 a litte bit to the north and remove +X4


MAR N16:

AveMoh --> AveMohVI

A5 wp N16_W should be renamed to N16_Ksa (maybe KsaW?); wp is in use and requires an alt label!

N16_E --> A5_E (or A5_KsaN?); alt label required

TanMed --> TanMedFry?

ToCeu: The route to Ceuta is indicated "N13" on GM but not on OSM. Any idea about the actual status? I guess N13 is outdated (the different N16 routing to the south on GM too)

ToA7: Rename to ToA7_Fni; Correspoding wp on A7 indicates N13 and should be checked (point is in use)

A7_MarS --> ToA7_MS (see A7 wp name)

ToA7_Mdiq --> ToA7_MDig

AveMous --> AveMouNos

AveAbdKhaTor --> AveAbdTor

+X15 is off

+X30 is off

Amt: move wp to a junction

P4113 is off

ElJeb: move wp to a junction

+X39 is off

+X40 is off

+X41 is off

+X42 is off

+X46 is off

P5207 is off

+X55 is off

+X57 is off

P6202 is off

BoulMyRach --> BlvdMyRac

Move +X76 a little bit to the north and remove +X77 and +X78

+X79 is off

Remove +X66

Remove +X62 and +X63, move +X61 a little bit to the east and +X60 to the west

Route exceeds limits b/n P5207 and N2_W

Move +X46 to the west

Move +X37 to the south

Move +X31 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.267355&lon=-4.842251

Route exceeds limits b/n +X25 and +X26

Remove +X14 and move +X13 to the east


MAR N17:

BniDra_N/_S --> BniDrar_N/_S, the 4-letter rule is valid for wp names except for suffix

P6050 is off

P6104 is off

AerBou --> AirBou

P6110 is off

Move N17A to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.287961&lon=-4.290526

P1504 is off

P7108 is off

P1520 is off

I think P1522 is totally off, isn't it?

AerTata --> AirTata

Akk --> Akka

+X155 is off

R103 is off

Remove +X163 and move +X164 a little bit to the south

Remove +X152

Remove +X137 and move +X136 a little bit to the east

Move +X122 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=29.747074&lon=-7.805209 and remove +X121 and +X120

Remove +X106

Remove +X81

Remove +X70

Remove +X68

Remove +X61

Remove +X40

Move +X36 to the curve

Remove +X30

Remove +X2


MAR N17A:

Remove +X6

Remove +X5 and move +X4 to the south

Remove +X1 and +X2


ESH N17:

AlMah is off

N3/N17F is entered twice

Remove +X201

Remove +X195 and move +X194 a little bit to the east

Remove +X184 and move +X184 a little bit to the west

Remove +X182

Remove +X166 and move +X167 a little bit to the south


ESH N17B:

Remove +X12

MAR/MRT --> ESH/MRT


ESH N17C:

MAR/MRT --> ESH/MRT


ESH N17F:

MAR/MRT --> ESH/MRT


MAR N19:

ESP/MAR doesn't math the Spainish wp (espml.nnador)

AveHas_N/_S --> AveHasII_N/_S

RueMohZar --> BlvdMouHas

Sel --> BlvdMohV

N2_W/_E --> N2_E/_W

P6204 is off

Move R603 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.833435&lon=-2.879872

+X8 is off

BoulMoulElAla --> BlvdMouAla

P6046 --> P6046_W

+X21 is off

R604 is off

Remove +X13
« Last Edit: January 20, 2019, 03:18:48 pm by michih »

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2019, 08:52:46 am »
I've added N8-N13 to csv files. Have you already set-up data check so that you could try to edit csvs yourself?

You could also copy the csv files, e.g. to MAR folder, add the remaining routes and I would run data check before replacing the production csv files.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2019, 09:36:53 am »
MAR/MRT --> ESH/MRT
Nope. Country borders are done with country names (with a grandfathered exception for USA borders, especially the Canadian border). eg it's GBR/IRL, not NIR/IRL. MAR/MRT is therefore correct.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2019, 09:50:47 am »
Yes, I was confused because country and region code are the same: MAR.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2019, 11:37:56 am »
MAR N10:
RocErr: Source? I couldn't find any street name. Maybe Tig? (Sync with N13)
It's the bypass of Errachidia. The bypasses in Morocco are called Rocade de + city name.

MAR N11:
Add shaping point for A3 just north of it as you've done for N11
R114A is P1708 according to OSM. What's your source?
Don't necessary need the shaping point. Should I add it, in order to better modelate the route, even if the road remains between the red lines?
For R114A, OSM was my source, if you zoom out a little bit it's R114A, if you zoom in P1708...

MAR N13:
Move P4013 a little bit to the east
Think it was 4103, moved it.

P7058: Source? Cannot find it on any map (just far away east of N6)
Yes, it seems that it starts at N6. Renamed the point ToN6.

Move P712 to the center of the roundabout
Moved, it was R712.

PoiPom: Source?
According to OSM, the place name is Point la Pomme.

Move N15 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.668100&lon=-4.627894 and sync N15

General notes:

It's funny that your wps are often positioned inaccurate but you're shaping points are usually perfectly positioned :)

All Autoroutes should be checked for updated label names (load points in use to wpt editor and keep alt labels if necessary). It's an active system, be careful and don't rename routes(!) w/o notification indicating the source on the forum first (for instance, A7 and A9 indication on OSM east of Berrechid look wrong, no change to TM required).

I've added N8-N13 to csv files. Have you already set-up data check so that you could try to edit csvs yourself?

After your first round of observations, there were many Shaping point wrong placed, that's why I turned my attention more on them while doing the review. I totally underestimated the difference between more zooming in by placing of WPs...
I will set-up the datacheck after correcting the routes.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2019, 12:21:05 pm »
MAR N21:

P1920_S is off

P1307 --> P1307_S

P1309 is off

Move N17 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.609146&lon=-9.424043 (and sync N17)

Move +X8 a little bit to the north

I would move +X5 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=29.256722&lon=-10.105496 and +X6 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=29.161093&lon=-10.085857

Remove +X4


MAR N23:

Reverse order of route

N25_S is off

Rename N25_S to R210 because N25 doesn't intersect N23 here.

Move R208 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.788886&lon=-7.040074 (sync N25)

N25_N --> N25_E

P3102 is off

P2139 is off

R308_N is off

P2115 is off

P3626 is off

P3633 is off

P3338 is off

P3221 is off

P3336 is off

R305 is off

P3300 is off

Remove +X3


MAR N25:

P4016_S is off

Rename +P4040_E to P4040_E

P4307 is off

Add P3211 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.294978&lon=-6.699772 b/n P3224_N and P3224_S to show that the routes is not via P3224.

N23_S --> R210

Move +X25 to the east (curve)

Add wp south of A4 for R311 and another shaping point


MAR N27:

Reverse route order

P7022 --> P7022_E

P7019 is off

P4252 is off

N1_N/_S --> N1_S/_N

P4222 --> P4222_W

P4215 --> P4222_E

Replace P4208 by P4216 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.820264&lon=-6.121756 (look at Satellite view)

P4214 --> P4214_S


MAR N29:

N6_W/_E --> N6_E/_W

Move RouBou to the center of the roundabout

P5428 is off

P4536 --> P5436

P7231 --> P7321

P3533: 2 wps _N/_S

P4311 is off

Remove +X61

Exceeds limits b/n +X40 and R504

Remove +X34 and +X35

Exceeds limits b/n +X25 and +X26: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.893760&lon=-4.028624

Add another shaping point b/n +X26 and +X27: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.889284&lon=-4.033924 to avoid crossing +X28/+X29 line

Remove +X18

Remove +X14

Move +X9 a little bit to the north



First round of review done.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2019, 12:30:59 pm »
MAR N11:
Add shaping point for A3 just north of it as you've done for N11
R114A is P1708 according to OSM. What's your source?
Don't necessary need the shaping point. Should I add it, in order to better modelate the route, even if the road remains between the red lines?
For R114A, OSM was my source, if you zoom out a little bit it's R114A, if you zoom in P1708...

It's just nice to have. A and N route do not cross each other and I think that the lines should also not cross each other. It also helps to distinguish routes in HDX when you check for broken concurrencies.

For R114A, OSM was my source, if you zoom out a little bit it's R114A, if you zoom in P1708...

The situation zoomed-in is usually the latest and likely the correct one.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2019, 12:37:44 pm »
MAR N9:
R322_N/_S --> R322_E/_W

R322 it's for me a N-S route.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2019, 12:38:24 pm »
You might draft some routes for future "afrsnf Africa Named Freeways" system.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_voies_express_du_Maroc

I guess the first Rocade routes and the P routes should be checked whether they fullfil freeway standards (R routes are routes for a potential tier 5 system though).

Edit: Only Rocade 2 de Rabat-Salé and Rocade Sud Ouest de Casablanca have freeway standard.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2019, 12:53:27 pm by michih »

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2019, 01:34:29 pm »
Are you sure about the border location?

The border is not displayed in OSM. The border line is a horizontal line continuating the small horizontal line near the border with Algeria.

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Re: Morocco Route Nationale (marn)
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2019, 02:13:16 pm »
The border is sometimes on OSM, sometimes not. There's probably an edit war over it.