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Offline neroute2

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VA: VA VA337AltPor is discontinuous
« on: May 18, 2019, 07:23:31 pm »
You can no longer get from Turnpike Road to the MLK Freeway. 2017 traffic counts still show the old route. GSV shows that signs were still up on US 17 in 2018. VDOT LRS shows that SR 337 Alternate ends at the overpass. I wonder what's on the front of this sign.

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Re: VA: VA VA337AltPor is discontinuous
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2019, 09:10:52 pm »
The sign said VA 337 East (no alternate banner) the only time I've been there since VA 164 opened.  I thought I took a picture of it but evidently I did not.

The LRS does not show overlays, so it is impossible to know if VA 337 ALT ends at the overpass or is still (despite the impossibility of connecting to it) considered to head north to US 58/VA 141 as it used to since VA 164 was built directly on top of the old VA 337 ALT routing.

I know that recent GMSV do not indicate VA 337 ALT connecting with VA 141 anywhere or back to VA 337 near Norfolk Naval Shipyard.

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I: 4 8 12 16 17 20 26 27 30 40 59 64 66 68 72 73 ew74 77 78 79 82 83 ew84 85 ew86 e88 97 99
US: 4 6N 9W 11E 11W 13 15 19W 21 44 46 48 58 72 92 113 117 123 130 158 163 176 178 192 206 209 211 219 220 221 222 258 264 276 290 311 319 322 340 360 378 401 ew422 501 521 522 601 701
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Re: VA: VA VA337AltPor is discontinuous
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2019, 11:32:08 pm »
A connection can be made by Constitution Ave, but that's fictional territory...

Semi-related, in the area:
US460AltNor's concurrency with I-264 is broken; Exit 6 never got moved. There's the nagging issue of the old closed exit, and what to label it, or just ignore as not in-use...
US460AltNor's east end should be labeled US460_E, in reference to the parent route.
An argument could be made for moving Exit 7's coords to line up with VA141.
I-464 @ 6B doesn't line up with I-264(8)/US460AltNor/VA337
« Last Edit: May 18, 2019, 11:36:19 pm by yakra »

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Re: VA: VA VA337AltPor is discontinuous
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2019, 06:18:50 pm »
The LRS does not show overlays, so it is impossible to know if VA 337 ALT ends at the overpass or is still (despite the impossibility of connecting to it) considered to head north to US 58/VA 141 as it used to since VA 164 was built directly on top of the old VA 337 ALT routing.
http://vdot.maps.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?layers=77bd3dffa6e74d90be88800ee6de70c0 shows overlaps (check US 58/SR 164 to the north) and shows no SR 337 Alternate overlap on any of SR 164 or US 58.

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Re: VA: VA VA337AltPor is discontinuous
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2019, 06:13:21 am »
It only shows overlaps of different categories of route.  It doesn't for example show 3 routes on US 13-58-460 west of Bowers Hill.

On the LRS Master view the US 58-VA 164 overlap is labeled only US 58 and US 13-58-460 is labeled as only US 58.

I'm not saying VA 337 ALT is overlapped with VA 164 on paper, only that LRS doesn't prove it isn't...
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I: 4 8 12 16 17 20 26 27 30 40 59 64 66 68 72 73 ew74 77 78 79 82 83 ew84 85 ew86 e88 97 99
US: 4 6N 9W 11E 11W 13 15 19W 21 44 46 48 58 72 92 113 117 123 130 158 163 176 178 192 206 209 211 219 220 221 222 258 264 276 290 311 319 322 340 360 378 401 ew422 501 521 522 601 701
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Re: VA: VA VA337AltPor is discontinuous
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2019, 04:56:40 pm »
It only shows overlaps of different categories of route.  It doesn't for example show 3 routes on US 13-58-460 west of Bowers Hill.

On the LRS Master view the US 58-VA 164 overlap is labeled only US 58 and US 13-58-460 is labeled as only US 58.

I'm not saying VA 337 ALT is overlapped with VA 164 on paper, only that LRS doesn't prove it isn't...

Click the right arrow at the top of the info window.

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Re: VA: VA VA337AltPor is discontinuous
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2019, 06:43:17 am »
Ah...I see.

Based on this I am inclined to truncate.

However, the newly released 2018 VDOT traffic data still shows it on Harbor Dr between Turnpike and London, with different values than the 2017 report (sometimes they carry over from previous years if they did no new measurement)!
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I: 4 8 12 16 17 20 26 27 30 40 59 64 66 68 72 73 ew74 77 78 79 82 83 ew84 85 ew86 e88 97 99
US: 4 6N 9W 11E 11W 13 15 19W 21 44 46 48 58 72 92 113 117 123 130 158 163 176 178 192 206 209 211 219 220 221 222 258 264 276 290 311 319 322 340 360 378 401 ew422 501 521 522 601 701
PriSystems: VA, DE