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Offline Jim

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MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« on: May 21, 2019, 09:37:32 pm »
I feel like we had this conversation in the CHM days. I don't recall the details of old discussions, but our standard for including routes have evolved, so I'll throw out the possibility of adding Storrow Drive and Soliders Field Road up to Harvard Street (or wherever limited access ends) to usasf.  I've driven this road a lot over the years, and each time I do, I think how I'd like to be able to put that into my TM maps.

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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2019, 01:36:36 pm »
The east end of Storrow Dr is MA28, where it becomes Embankment Rd. MA28 has no waypoint here, where it goes & gets lost in a nasty maze of one-way couplets. Reminds me of the fun I had with Downtown Buffalo last year. The Back Bay area could possibly benefit from a similar cleanup, which I'd want to take on concurrently.
For now, I've just added a single shaping point to I-90 to clarify mapview/graphs.

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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2019, 08:06:49 pm »
There are signs pointing Storrow Drive eastbound all the way to I-93. As a street name, it stops short, but as a route it makes it all the way.
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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2019, 08:07:12 pm »
Example at the Longfellow Bridge for Storrow eastbound: https://maps.app.goo.gl/wA5RTJ6Cjc1ZdBzW6

Even the street name makes it to Leverett Circle on some signs: https://maps.app.goo.gl/appkX8y6wVhaC73EA
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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2019, 08:32:38 pm »
Oh boy...

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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2019, 09:40:00 pm »
While we're in that neighborhood, I can report that I took the Longfellow Bridge from Boston into Cambridge yesterday and got on Memorial Drive WB.  The signs at the north end of the bridge were all US 3, not MA 3.  We have the switchover happening when Memorial crosses Mass Ave and the Harvard Bridge.  I didn't realize until I got home that this might be significant, so I didn't pay much attention to exactly where I saw other US 3s.  I make no claims that the signs I saw are accurate, but throw this out for consideration.  If we did decide to switch that segment, it would affect the 24 travelers who have marked the segment that would switch from MA 3 to US 3.

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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2019, 09:15:54 pm »
I get down to Boston a fair bit and on the eastern leg between the Zakim Bridge and the Beacon St exit (we usually stay at Copley when we're in Boston).  Although signs from the Longfellow and Charles River Dam bridges call it Storrow Drive, MassDOT shapefiles officially have Storrow Drive ending where MA 28 joins/departs.  There is also a north/eastbound intersection at Pinckney St (between Beacon St and the Longfellow Bridge) that signs it as David Mugar Way.

Given that this section is already covered by the MA 28 and MA 3 lists, plus the disparities listed above, my preference would be to end a Storrow Dr list at the MA 28/Beacon St exit.


Regarding US 3/MA 3, a couple things worth pointing out.  First, MassDOT has the switchover at the same location the Highway Browser currently has it at:  at Mass Ave.  Second, signage coming over the Harvard Bridge on Mass Ave shows MA 3 to the east and US 3 to the west.  I also don't recall any signs on the Longfellow Bridge or where it crosses Memorial (nor does GMSV show any), though in fairness I haven't been on Longfellow Bridge since the recent rehabilitation project was finished.  That said, given the vagaries of Boston (heck, Mass in general) signage plus the MassDOT data, I'd be inclined to keep the switchover point as-is.

Since we're discussing adding Storrow and Soldiers Field, perhaps a discussion on also adding the Leverett Circle Connector?  This is the set of "really long ramps" running from I-93 Exit 26 to "Storrow Drive", with a connection to/from the Tobin Bridge.  One could argue they're just "really long ramps" from 93 North, but they could also arguably be considered a separate roadway.  Physically it's a separate bridge entirely from the Zakim, and also allows drivers to get between Storrow and the Tobin without having to go on 93.

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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2019, 08:45:47 pm »
I'm going to go with the "Leverett Connector" being a couple of long exit ramps and not its own road worthy of inclusion.

Storrow Dr/Soliders Field Road is significant enough to include, though I'd go ahead and set the east end at I-93 with a MA 28 concurrency. That section of the road is part of Storrow Dr, as the signs linked above indicate.


I agree with keeping the US3/MA3 switchover as is.

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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2019, 12:01:45 pm »
^ Officially, it's not part of Storrow Dr (as I noted upthread).  That it is signed from the Longfellow Bridge could easily be chalked up to one of the many sign errors that the state is well-known for...

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Re: MA: Storrow Drive and Soldiers Field Road
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2019, 01:25:52 pm »
^ Officially, it's not part of Storrow Dr (as I noted upthread).  That it is signed from the Longfellow Bridge could easily be chalked up to one of the many sign errors that the state is well-known for...
Or it could be chalked up to it being a logical continuous route that the MDC decided to sign as such.