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Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2019, 03:01:50 pm »
B1029:
Does it extend to the south and meet the route at LowParkRd again?
Ordinance survey mapping shows the route splitting in two there, with Victoria Place/Station Road as one spur, and Victoria Place/New Street/Waterside as another. Neither is signed and the route, for all intents and purposes, ends there.

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Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2019, 06:13:21 pm »
B1044:
Check route through Huntingdon, it's via Edison Bell Way
Unsigned spur.
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OSM and Sabre have a different road at west end
That's an OSM error that has affected the trace on SABRE. SABRE has it as I do. The other road is B1103. At the A142/A1304 roundabout Old Station Road is clearly signed as B1063.
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B1070:
BriSt is indicated being a branch on OSM and Sabre
It is. Unsigned spur.

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B1078:
A14 -> A14/A140
A140 doesn't really intersect here, ending concurrent (cf B1021: B1018_E -> BurRd_N)

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Re: Huntercombe Spur
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2019, 02:11:49 pm »
Not B road but... Is Huntercombe Spur something we should add to HB? https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.5161/-0.6563

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Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2019, 04:02:22 pm »
Depends on what the Driver Location Signs going in will be - this is promising as it separates the slip roads from the spur road, rather than treats the spur as slip roads. Ditto this from last month. If it calls the road "M4 Spur" then it will go in like the M25 Spur or M56 Spur. Or if it is M4 A/B (and thus mainline) with HSx as numbers (cf the M4 Airport spur). But if not, then we open a big can of worms. There's other ~1km long things that don't have a visible name that might be added.

So maybe, in the future, it might be.

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Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2019, 08:52:00 am »
Ok, that means, I need to travel it :)


B1101:
A1101 is off


B1102:
Add wp(s) to match A11 Red Lodge Interchange
Move A142 to the center of the roundabout
NewRd -> MarSt_S (GM is wrong)


B1103:
Move A142/A1304 to the center of the roundabout
NMP A142/A1304
NMP 1063


B1106:
Move A1101 to the roundabout
IngRd is off


B1106for:
Check route b/n A14 and A1101
A14 -> A14/A1302


B1108:
A1065 is off
A1075 is off


B1110:
B1146 is off
Move B1145 "between" both junctions
GatRd is off
A1067 is off


B1111:
NetSt is off
A1066 is off
KenRd -> KingSt (OSM+GM+GSV)
A1075 is off


B1112:
Split A1065 into 2 wps


B1113:
WalRd -> WalRd_W (OSM+GM) -> +Xxx (GSV, no sign)
I don't wanna diss you but DissRd is off ;)


B113Nee:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.062547&lon=1.094969 to match A14 interchange
A1120 -> A1120/A1308


B1115:
A1141_W is off
A1141_E is off


B1116:
Split A1120 into 2 wps
+X408884 is off
B1123 is off


B1117:
BicHillRd -> MarSt (OSM+GM+GSV)


B1118:
LonCityRd is off


B1119:
Split A12 into 2 wps


B1123:
B1124 is off


B1125:
The segment b/n A12 and B1387 is not signed on OSM, GM nor GSV


B1127:
A12 is off


B1134:
HeyRd is off


B1136:
A143 is off
A146 is off


B1137:
A12(20A) should be moved to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.774877&lon=0.590397
A138 -> A138_S


B1140:
Split A47 into 2 wps


B1145:
WhiRd -> SchRd (OSM+GM)
+X976812 is off
A1065 is off
+X499745 is off
Move A140_S to the center of the roundabout


B1146:
HighSt -> QueRd (OSM+GSV)
DerRd is off


B1149:
ValRd -> VlyRd ?

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Re: Great Britain B Roads (gbnb)
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2019, 12:23:49 pm »

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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2019, 10:34:15 am »
B1153:
RinRd is off
B1155 is off


B1155:
B1454 is off


B1156:
There are two HoltRd. I'd give a suffix to both.


B1161:
Move A149_W to the center of the roundabout


B1164:
GraRd is off
GraRd -> HemLn


B1165:
A1101 is off
+X279264 is off
DrawDyke -> DrawDyke_E
FulDr -> FulDro (you also changed other 'Droves' earlier this year)


B1166:
ComDr -> ComDro


B1167:
Move A47_E to the center of the roundabout
FreDro_W !!!!

B1172Spa:
A1175 is off


B1178:
A15_S is off


B1180:
MonBri -> MonBriLn


B1182:
A46/A158 -> A15/A46
A15 -> A15_S


B1183:
Split A155 into two wps


B1184:
A52 is off
MudGate -> MidGate


B1189:
PinLn is off
A153 is off


B1190:
FerRd -> FryRd ?


B1190Bir:
B1434 -> A1434


B1192:
A1121 is off
A52 is off


B1195:
A16 is off


B1196:
Check route at north end. OSM indicates two branches. GM only one but the other one than we have.




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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2019, 06:52:54 am »
B1200:
Move A16/A157 to the center of the roundabout
A1031 is off
B1528 -> B1520
A157 -> A157_E


B1201:
A1031 is off


B1204:
A1077 is off


B1205:
A46 is off
A15_N is off


B1206:
A15_Kir is off
A15_Bar is off the overpass
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.692126&lon=-0.362259
Add another wp to show whether the route is through New Holland or on the bypass - no wild card please ;)
A18_W -> A15/A18_W
A18_E -> A15/A18_E
B1402 -> B1402/B1429, both are 100% concurrent though, OSM and GM only indicate B1402 -> delete B1429 ?


B1207:
HighSt is off
HighSt -> HighSt_E or BroAve
A18 -> A15/A18


B1208:
A18 is off
A18 -> A15/A18


B1211:
A18_E is off


B1212:
B1213 is off


B1222:
CawRd is off
CawRd -> CawRd_E ?


B1223:
A162 is off


B1224:
Move A1237 to the center of the roundabout


B1225:
A157 is off
A46: I agree that it should be one wp only but I'd move it a little bit to the east
A46 -> A46/A1173


B1228:
BriLn is off
B1230_W is off


B1230:
A1034_N is off
A1035/A1174 --> A164/A1035 please let me know if and if so, why you disagree on this!


B1231:
Move A1105 to the center of the roundabout
KempRd -> KempRd_N


B1233:
PriRd is off


B1238:
B1240 is off
B1242 is off


B1239:
B1240 is off


B1241:
A57 is off
A1500 is off
Split A1500 into 2 wps


B1242:
B1249 is off


B1246:
A1079 is off


B1248:
A64 is off
ToA64 -> add B1248 branch
Move B1251 to the center of the roundabout
A166_W is off
A614_S is off
B1253 is off

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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2019, 08:41:59 am »
B1251:
A166 is off


B1254:
B1255 is off


B1255:
MarVly -> MarVal as you did for B664 and B1149
B1259 is off
B1229 -> B1129


B1256:
StaRd is off
B1417 is off
A120_E is off, move it to where the ramp ends at the DC and add a new wp to the roundabout


B1257:
B1363 is off
NewAve -> GreAve


B1259:
A64 is off


B1261:
Move A165 to the center of the roundabout
Move B1261Sea to the center of the roundabout


B1261Sea:
Move A64 to the center of the roundabout


B1265:
A67 is off


B1268:
A173 is off


B1269:
SanLn is off


B1272:
BorRd -> BorRd_E


B1277:
Does it really extend north of B1376? OSM, GM, GSV and sabre disagree.


B1278:
A177 is off


B1279:
CemRd -> WooAve


B1280:
A19/A179 should be positioned on the overpass
A181 should be positioned on the overpass
A182 is off


B1281:
A19/A181 is off


B1283:
A181 is off
MillLn -> HopeSt
A19/A182 should be positioned on the overpass
Move A1086 to the center of the roundabout


B1284:
A690 should be positioned on the overpass


B1285:
A19/A182 -> A19


B1286:
BurRd -> BurRd_S


B1287:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.849427&lon=-1.346630


B1288:
A1296 -> B1296
BirByp -> PorRd


B1295:
A1 -> A1/A167


B1297:
SaxRd -> SayWay


B1299:
A181 -> A184
A1018_S is off
A183 is off

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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2019, 05:09:50 am »
A1035/A1174 --> A164/A1035 please let me know if and if so, why you disagree on this!
Because the A1174 is the dominant route (signed unbracketed) in the (pointless, given the 1174 ends at this roundabout) concurrency with the A164 (hence why that number is given on OSM).

But I've changed it to match our rule that sometimes incorrectly assumes that lower number means more importance...

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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2019, 10:33:19 am »
But I've changed it to match our rule that sometimes incorrectly assumes that lower number means more importance...
I don't think we actually have a rule that states that though. Just skimmed the manual/wayptlabels.php; didn't find anything. (Hit me with a link if I did miss something). I know that Tim himself did allow this back in the day. Or at least, didn't object after... (froggie? Jason?) and I justified it on the same grounds.

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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2019, 10:36:28 am »
But I've changed it to match our rule that sometimes incorrectly assumes that lower number means more importance...
I don't think we actually have a rule that states that though. Just skimmed the manual/wayptlabels.php; didn't find anything. (Hit me with a link if I did miss something). I know that Tim himself did allow this back in the day. Or at least, didn't object after... (froggie? Jason?) and I justified it on the same grounds.
No actual rule?
Changing that back, and B1182 labels (same thing), then!

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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2019, 12:32:30 pm »
But I've changed it to match our rule that sometimes incorrectly assumes that lower number means more importance...

If memory serves.... I was taught by in my early days you that we must or should do it this way. Of course, I've assumed your command and always did it this way - especially in France where many important route have high numbers (D6xx, D9xx,...). Let's say D13A, D15B, D16C and D901 intersect, the D13A wp name is D15B/D16C omitting the most important D901.

No actual rule?
Changing that back

:o I had to revise a lot....... don't wanna do it....

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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2020, 04:07:19 am »
B1308:
GreRd -> GreRd_E


B1315:
StPetRd -> StPetRd_N


B1318:
Extends at north end according to OSM but I couldn't find any sign on GSV. Also not confirmed by Sabre.


B1320:
A1086 is off


B1328:
Move B1329 to the center of the roundabout


B1329:
A193 is off


B1331:
Extends at west end according to OSM but I couldn't find any sign on GSV. Also not confirmed by Sabre.


B1332:
HoweGre -> HoweLn


B1334:
A197 is off
Move A96 to the center of the roundabout


B1335:
StiRd -> StiRd_W


B1337:
Move A1068 to the center of the roundabout


B1339:
B1340 is off
Couldn't find "LongRow" on OSM. GM nor GSV.
BouRd is off


B1340:
Swi is off
MainSt -> MainSt_W
B1341/B1342 is off



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Re: gbnb: Great Britain B Roads
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2020, 06:05:50 pm »
No actual rule?
Changing that back

:o I had to revise a lot....... don't wanna do it....

I wouldn't think any of this would require anyone to change labels. I interpret it as just meaning there are a wider variety of labels allowable.
As far as any "rule" goes, I'd think it's a matter of a "the route number to list will often but not always be the lower-numbered one" kid of helpful guideline... probably not worth encoding in the manual...