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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #285 on: October 24, 2019, 09:31:02 am »
US 199: add CRD2 (signed here)
US 199: RedVisCen -> HioInfCen
US 199: HouMtnRd -> HioMtnRd (assuming that's the correct name)
US 395: RedMouRd -> RedMtnRd
US 395: ColHeiBlvd -> BouRd (name on the brown post)
US 395: CHJ41 -> 9MileRd
US 395: HaiResRd -> SHaiRd, HalRd -> NHaiRd
US 395: LakeVilRd -> LakRd
US 395: move CarSt south to WhiSt
US 395: move MofRanRd south to the correct intersection
US 395: MilLn -> MilSt
US 395: OldSheRd -> LowRockRd
US 395: RockCrkRd -> CroLakeDr or OweGorRd
US 395: TimHarRd -> BucRd
US 395sus: ScoRd -> HalJctArea?
US 395sus: CowJoeRd -> Rd342?
US 395sus: CHA* -> CRA*
US 395sus: StuLn -> LakDr
US 395sus: MainSt -> MainStLoop
US 395sus: RyanRd -> JohDumpRd and move south
US 395sus: TumWay is a gated driveway
US 395sus: NelResRd -> SageHenSum? or move north a bit
US 395sus: DonsRd -> JessValRd or FR64
US 395sus: FitCrkRd -> Rd187C
US 395sus: where does the SteRd name come from?
US 395sus: WesRd -> Rd11
US 395sus: the SugHillRd name is probably only east of CR 133C
US 395sus: FanPassRd -> FR9?
US395sus: PinCanRd -> Rd2

US 50altpol doesn't exist anymore. Maybe the center portion could be kept as MorEmiTr in usanp?
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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #286 on: October 24, 2019, 03:59:05 pm »
In any case, OR CA161 MerRd as we have it now doesn't match an actual road junction.

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #287 on: October 24, 2019, 07:16:17 pm »
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0003028,-121.5219772,3a,19.8y,141.72h,84.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWo1VyIXP9MNlAshdXCdJNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

clearly state maintenance line is a bit off the road to the north.  Of course a change of asphalt color means nothing.
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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #288 on: October 24, 2019, 11:03:38 pm »
US 50altpol doesn't exist anymore. Maybe the center portion could be kept as MorEmiTr in usanp?

Mormon Emigrant Trail is Forest Service, not a national park road. It also had, last I was there, clear US 50 Alt signage (WB near CA 88). On the state-maintained parts of US50altpol (CA 88 and CA 89), I've seen the US 50 Alt sign assemblies still standing, sometimes with the signs covered.

Caltrans is planning major repairs to the US 50 mainline that would require a complete temporary closure of part of the route. That would have a similar impact on travelers as did the landslides that prompted creation of the alternate route. Wouldn't shock me if US50altpol becomes a detour route (Caltrans is looking at an even longer detour limited to state-maintained routes), though that might require Caltrans to provide snow removal for a road that normally is never plowed and sometimes is closed by snow as late as early July.

I agree the route is iffy (uncomfortably similar to Wisconsin's plethora of Alternate I-__ routes), but I'm not convinced it's toast.
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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #289 on: October 24, 2019, 11:21:40 pm »
US 101busgil: CocRd -> MonRd_N
US 101busgre: add CRG16
US 101busnov: RowBlvd -> RowBlvd_W
US 101busnov: SanMarDr_W -> SanMarDr
US 101buspis: FroRd -> SheBeaRd? (as with 1)
US 101busrio: MainSt -> MainSt_S
US 101bussal: HarrRd -> HarRd
US 101bussal: CA183_S -> CA183_N
US 101bussol: CA146_N -> CA146_E
US 101bussro: SanRosaAve -> SanRosaAve_S
US 101bussro: add CA12 point, or at least BenValRd or MapAve
US 101bussro: FouGroPkwy_E -> FouPkwy
US 101busuki: AARoads says this is unsigned, and I can't find any signs.
US 101busven: southbound traffic continues straight to exit 65
US 101busven: MainSt -> MainSt_E, move west one block

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #290 on: October 24, 2019, 11:34:23 pm »
US 101busuki: AARoads says this is unsigned, and I can't find any signs.

I didn't see any either, last time I was in Ukiah. However, I didn't check the intersections with CA 253 -- did you look there?

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #291 on: October 24, 2019, 11:45:43 pm »
US 101busuki: AARoads says this is unsigned, and I can't find any signs.

I didn't see any either, last time I was in Ukiah. However, I didn't check the intersections with CA 253 -- did you look there?

I just looked there and on 222 and didn't find any at either.

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #292 on: October 25, 2019, 12:32:53 am »
I-5: move MEX-USA west?
I-5: move 14B to the Chavez Parkway underpass
I-5: move 17A to Grape/Hawthorn and add 17 at Front/1st
I-5: move 17B to the Sassafras Street underpass
I-5: 23C -> 23
I-5: make StoDr visible
I-5: 107 -> 106?
I-5: add GeneAutWay between 107C and 109A
I-5: move 119 to the new overpass
I-5: 130B -> 130C, add 130B at Eastern Avenue

I-5 at the East LA Interchange should look more like this:
133 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.025223&lon=-118.205080
US101 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.025406&lon=-118.205638 (no number assigned)
134A http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.029402&lon=-118.216099 (shift west to the centerline of I-5, not US 101)
134B http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.030460&lon=-118.218116
134C +133B +133C http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.033915&lon=-118.220733
I-10_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.035039&lon=-118.220658 (no number assigned)

I-5: 137 -> 137A, add 137B at Riverside ramps
I-5: 141 -> 141A, add 141B at Griffith Park ramps
I-5: move 147 to the new underpass at Empire Avenue
I-5: move 161B north to San Fernando Road
I-5: move 210 to the overpass

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #293 on: October 25, 2019, 02:48:08 am »
Can someone explain how this makes sense? http://travelmapping.net/hb/?r=or.ca161&lat=41.999&lon=-121.6&zoom=17

Part of CA 161 is clearly in California, and part follows the state line more or less (with perhaps a slight dive or two into California). The latter is treated as a California route in Oregon, for simplicity and to avoid wasting time on where the border is (unsafe to assume it's where it's supposed to be, in this case at the 42nd parallel, as we've found in other jurisdictions) and whether the road is exactly on top of the border or is merely really close.
So the road is along the state line (more or less), perhaps dipping fully into California, and so is put in Oregon?

I would suggest it's much more logical to not break the route, and ignore any possible slight dips into Oregon that might exist. And given that you think that perhaps the road slightly dips into California (not Oregon), I can't see why it would be put in Oregon.

Going along it in GMSV, it's very close to the 42nd parallel, but almost always slightly south of it. Driving west (so on the northern side of the road), it crosses the 42nd by MM12, and again at the obvious bend when you've cut the route.

So you could have it as ~1.5 miles as an Oregon section. But it doesn't get more than about 220ft north of the 42nd, so perhaps it could be all treated as California, like how the ~350ft south of the 42nd on this route is currently treated as Oregon.

I'm now inclined to unsplit CA 161, and treat it all as being within California even if parts of at least the westbound lane might be in Oregon.

This all might be a leftover from when we were using Google Maps for our base maps. GM still puts much of the eastern part of CA 161 in Oregon, even if not by much. But then, I am particularly distrustful of how GM handles borders, based on its misplacement of the Alberta/Northwest Territories border, which differed from the handheld GPS measurements I took on several intersections of NT 5 with the border.

@Bickendan, your thoughts? Your conversations with Oregon DOT had CA 139 turning into OR 139 exactly at State Line Rd., despite a "Welcome to California" sign north of State Line Rd.
Yes, the transition from CA 139 to ORH 426/OR 39 is at State Line Rd/CA 161.
And, (paraphrasing from memory from a phone conversation with CalTrans), 161 does straddle the border on its eastern leg.
That's why I drafted the two files, the California portion representing the entire roadway from US 97 to CA 139/OR 39, and a east to west file from CA 139/OR 39 running west to the dive point for the westbound lane in Oregon.

Technically speaking, this means that OR 452 and 454 should have a similar setup; in 452's case I'm not sure it's even worth it, and either way, that's dealing with the unsigned routes/ORH debate.

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #294 on: October 25, 2019, 10:02:29 am »
Should we add 54bus in El Cajon? It's signed, though with the wrong shield.

I-5: 667 -> 667A
I-5: 698A and 698B are one interchange

I-10: 1 should probably be deleted; postmiles begin at 1A
I-10: 1B -> 1C (or split in two)
I-10: 2C -> 2B
I-10: move 6 west to Robertson Boulevard underpass
I-10: in both directions, 12A (Normandie) is signed to leave at the same place as 11 (Western), so 11 -> 11A, 12 -> 11B, 12B -> 12A, 12C -> 12B
I-10: 13 -> 13A, add 13B at Grand/Olive?
I-10: 134C(5) -> I-5_S (there's no I-5 exit number here)
I-10: 135C(5) -> 19B
I-10: add 19A at State Street?
I-10: move 20A west to Herbert Avenue
I-10: move 22 west to underpass
I-10: move 31C west to overpass
I-10: add 77A at Alabama Street and 77C at Tennessee Street, 77 -> 77B
I-10: move 139 east to new overpass
I-10: move 162 west to overpass
I-10: move 182 west to overpass
I-10: add 242

I-15: add HilDr between 15 and 16
I-15: add SabSprSta between 18 and 19
I-15: add GeoCooDr between 23 and 24
I-15: 117 -> 118

I-80: 2 -> 2A, 2C -> 2B
I-80: 13 -> 13A, add 13B
I-80: move 29C north to overpass
I-80: move 31A north to overpass
I-80: 55A -> 55, delete 55B?
I-80: move 78 east to underpass
I-80: move 119A east to overpass
I-80: move 130 east to overpass
I-80: move 133 east to overpass

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #295 on: October 25, 2019, 10:50:31 am »
US 50altpol doesn't exist anymore. Maybe the center portion could be kept as MorEmiTr in usanp?

Mormon Emigrant Trail is Forest Service, not a national park road.
A bit moot if it's still signed as US50Alt, but, from the usanp thread:

I know this isn't a national park road, but one that could be considered - Woodlands Trace National Scenic Byway.  This (nor the land within) are managed by NPS - instead by US Forest Service, but it is a good park route that goes through the Land Btw The Lakes NRA in both Kentucky and Tennessee - also known (and marked as in OSM/Mapnick) as "The Trace".
I've added this as:
1) it's a decent route to have added (links state routes, etc)
2) NRAs are sometimes NPS-run, sometimes USFS (and one is someone else), so a road in a USFS-run NRA isn't too off-piste. It's not much different to where a city maintains a state route.
3) we're not doing a one route usafs system (maybe it might get moved into a usansb system) - though no doubt someone else will give another example of another one.
I would say the Mormon Emigration Trail fits the usanp criteria, even though the agency isn't the NPS, but the USFS.

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #296 on: October 25, 2019, 11:07:21 am »
I-105: 1A -> 1B? (1A is the continuation straight, which is still officially I-105 until just past the light at California Street)
I-105: add 2A between La Cienega and Aviation Boulevards, 2 -> 2B
I-105: move 3 west
I-105: mileage continues east of I-605, and it's signed as I-105 for westbound traffic, so add HoxAve and StuRd?
I-110: 7 -> 7B
I-110: add exit for 190th Street between 9 and 10?
I-110: 14 -> 14A, add 14B at Imperial Highway
I-110: 19 -> 19B
I-110: move 20B south half a block
I-210: 6 -> 6A, add 6B at Paxton Street
I-210: Fair Oaks Avenue needs a point - maybe 25B with 25 -> 25A?
I-215: I-15 -> I-15_S
I-215: 27B -> 27C since 27B is used for a ramp at both interchanges
I-215: move 35 south to the overpass
I-215: move 36 north to the overpass
I-215: 45A -> 45
I-280: 2 -> 2A, 2A -> 1stSt (no exits here to have numbers)
I-280: move 2B east half a block
I-280: 28 -> CanRd
I-280: 32 -> VisPt
I-305: see US 50; also fix h0tp typo
I-305/80B: add 6C at P Street, move 7A east to L Street (halfway between J and N)
I-305/80B: move 7B east to halfway between E and H, delete 7C
I-380: 5C -> 5
I-405: add 20
I-405: 32C -> 32D? the latter doesn't seem to be signed, but is in the official list
I-405: 45 -> 45A, add 45B at Imperial Highway
I-405: 46A -> 46
I-405: 50 -> 50A, add 50B just to the north at Jefferson Boulevard
I-405: move 51 south to Culver Boulevard
I-405: 63C -> 63B
I-505: move 10 north to the underpass

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #297 on: October 25, 2019, 12:28:26 pm »
I-580: delete 7B, 7C -> 7B (same interchange)
I-580: 13(80) -> 13B (80) and north, add 13 or 13A(80) at Buchanan Street
I-580: 8B(80) -> 18 (or 19A? not changed yet as of June 2019)
I-580: 19C -> 20A, 20 -> 20C
I-580: add 22A at Lakeshore Avenue; maybe merge 22 into 22B
I-580: merge 23 and 23A? in any case "23A" is actually 24 so if kept it needs to be changed
I-580: 29A -> 29, 29B -> 30?
I-580: move 31A to Estudillo Avenue, 31B to Grand Avenue overpass, current 31B -> 32A, 32 -> 32B
I-605: CA22 -> 1A, 1A -> 1B or 1C, 1B -> 1D
I-605: 2 -> 2B
I-605: 10A -> 11A and make visible, 11 -> 11B
I-680: I-280/101 -> 1A, 1A -> 1C, 1C -> 1D? (signed as 1B southbound but so is US 101)
I-680: 40 -> 40A, 41 -> 40B (but not yet changed as of June 2019)
I-680: 58A -> 58, 58B -> 59 (but not yet changed as of June 2019)
I-680: add 60
I-680: 70 -> 70A, 71 -> 70B
I-710: add 1B just south of 1C
I-710: add 8A at Artesia Boulevard, 8 -> 8B
I-710: 11 -> 11A, add 11B at MLK
I-710: add 19A (but signs still say 19 as of April 2019) at Whittier Boulevard
I-710: 20B -> 19B (but not yet changed as of April 2019) and move north to overpass
I-710: 20C -> 20B (but not yet changed as of April 2019)
I-805: 1A -> 1B, 1B -> 1C (since 1A is southbound for the ramp to an I-5 exit)
I-805: add PalSt between 4 and 6
I-805: 7 -> 7A
I-805: 11 -> 11A, add 11B at 47th Street
I-880: I-280 -> 1A, 1A -> 1C, 1B -> 1D
I-880: 4C -> 4D (since 4C is at two different interchanges)
I-880: split 12 into 12A and 12B?
I-980: I-880 -> 1A, 1A -> 1C, 1B -> 1D

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #298 on: October 25, 2019, 03:16:05 pm »
I-5blarb: GailAve_S -> HilRd_E, GailAve_N -> 5thSt_N
I-5bldun: WelSt -> WelAve
I-5blorl: OldHwy99W_S -> Rd99W_S
I-5borl: OldHwy99W_N -> Hwy99W_N
I-5blrbl: add CRA7 (Walnut Street)
I-5blwil: move CA20 north to connector?
I-5blwil: MaxColRd -> MaxRd or OakSt
I-8blece: MainSt_E -> CRS80_E
I-8blelc: move MainSt_W southwest to the center of the intersection?
I-8blelc: GreDr -> GreDr_W or MainSt_E
I-8blyum: CHS24 -> CRS24_E (S24 overlaps west of here)
I-10blbly: the east end is at exit 240, so 7thSt -> 7thSt_N (or Hob_E) and delete the last two lines
I-15bllak: add a point at LakDr_W, MainSt -> GraAve, realign to absorb I-15bllke, FliAve -> FliSt
I-15blesc: GraAve -> CRS6
I-15blesc: add CRS14 (Mission Avenue)
I-15blvic: GreTreBlvd -> GreTreeBlvd
I-40blnee continues west to exit 141.
I-80blsac: see US 50 and I-305
I-80blsac: 9C -> 10A, 10 -> 10B
I-80blsac: I-80(94B) -> 14C
I-205bltra: CHJ* -> CRJ*
I-205bltra: add TraBlvd (unsigned? CR J13)
I-205bltra: move LovRd east a bit?

And that's it!

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #299 on: October 28, 2019, 08:06:19 pm »
Note to self: AARoads forum report that CA 58 Kramer Junction bypass with US 395 has opened, shown in OSM. Will need to adjust both files for that, as well as comments above.