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Re: usaush (United States Historic US Routes)
« Reply #180 on: January 19, 2020, 03:36:01 pm »
And the westbound route is unknown because they chose to place a sign where US 40 never went.
Is it unknown, or just vaguely/poorly defined? And is unknown non-existent?

And, surely a sign is a help for defining the route, rather than the reason for it being unknown?

I'm fine with a split - it seems sensible given the circumstance, but there's a lot of fallacious reasoning trying to justify it.

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Re: usaush (United States Historic US Routes)
« Reply #181 on: January 20, 2020, 11:11:24 am »
And the westbound route is unknown because they chose to place a sign where US 40 never went.
Is it unknown, or just vaguely/poorly defined? And is unknown non-existent?

And, surely a sign is a help for defining the route, rather than the reason for it being unknown?

I'm fine with a split - it seems sensible given the circumstance, but there's a lot of fallacious reasoning trying to justify it.

Maybe you should look at a map and plot out the signs rather than attack my supposedly fallacious reasoning.

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Re: usaush (United States Historic US Routes)
« Reply #182 on: January 20, 2020, 12:46:36 pm »
Maybe you should look at a map and plot out the signs
But in Sacramento and Auburn you've decided the signs are wrong and therefore so at the TM routes. What would be the point of looking at a map and plotting out the signs if you are just going ignore signs you don't like.  :pan:

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #183 on: January 20, 2020, 02:24:36 pm »
That reply shows you have not plotted the route on a map, since I am not ignoring any signs in Sacto.

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #184 on: January 22, 2020, 07:18:21 am »
US 80hiscaj: move MainSt_W southwest
US 80hiscaj: add LakeJenRd_N and RidHillRd on either side of I-8(23)?
US 80hiscaj: add DunLn and VieLn on either side of I-8(27)?
US 80hiscaj: add AlpBlvd_E and WilRd_W on either side of I-8(33)?
US 80hiscen: does this have any historic 80 signs? I can't find any on GSV
US 80hiscen: move I-8(89) north and rename CRS2
US 80hiscen: DrewRd -> CRS29
US 80hiscen: ForRd -> CRS30
US 80hiscen: DogRd -> CRS31
US 80hiscen: whenever CA 115 gets fixed, make the relevant changes to this too
US 80hiscen: I-8(143) -> ToI-8(143) or ToCA98 and move northeast - but again, if this is unsigned, it should be deleted
US 80hiscen: I-8(146) -> BroResRd
US 80hisfel: I can't find any signs on GSV (some from May 2019), so unless I'm missing some, delete
US 80hisjac: add CRS1_N west of I-8(47)
US 80hisjac: BucSprRd -> CRS1_S
US 80hisjac: StaLn -> StaSt
US 80hissan/US 395hissan: Wow, those signs on Market Street are tiny.
US 80hissan/US 395hissan: MarSt -> MarSt_E or ParkBlvd_S
US 80hissan/US 395hissan: ToCA94 -> GSt and move south?
US 80hissan/US 395hissan: WebAve is private access only; move southwest to InsPoiWay or north to SpaTheWay?
US 80hissan/US 395hissan: move US395His_N/US80His_E west half a block - or rename FaiAve and truncate US 395hissan here? I can't find any 395 shields on Fairmount Avenue
US 80hiswin: is this signed? I can't find anything on May 2019 GSV, so if it's unsigned delete it; otherwise WinRd_W -> I-8BL_W and CRS24 -> CRS24_E
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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #185 on: January 22, 2020, 04:25:13 pm »
US 99Ehischi: WTF?
US 99hisdun: WelSt -> WelAve
US 99hisind: how much of this is actually signed? all I can verify is south of CA111_S and a bit in Indio just south of IndBlvd; if there's nothing else split it into US 99hiscal (south of CA111_S -> CA111) and US 99hisind (Ave48 to IndBlvd -> Hwy111). In any case it's doubtful this route ever was or will be signed north of IndBlvd, since for most of its life US 99 used Indio Boulevard and the I-10 corridor.
US 99hisind: 1stSt/Hef -> 1stSt
US 99hisind: add 2ndSt_E in Calexico
US 99hisind: CA86/111_S -> CA111_Heb
US 99hisind: if it is in fact signed along CA 86, copy that file (once changes are made) south of 81stAve
US 99hisind: 81stAve -> 81stAve_W
US 99hisind: CA195 -> PieSt
US 99hisind: 52ndAve -> Ave52, 51stAve -> Ave51, 50thAve -> Ave50 (but again, is it signed here?)
US 99hislos: move CA110 southwest to the correct location (which should probably be a point on CA 110)
US 99hislos: add a point at FigSt?
US 99hislos: GleBlvd -> BraBlvd
US 99hislos: LosFelBlvd -> LosFelRd
US 99hislos has a gap in Burbank and needs to be split. There is a sign just south of MagBlvd, so that's a good northern end for the shortened US 99hislos. But I can't find anything north of there until VanNuys, posted by LA. So do we cut it at the Burbank/LA city limit (north of HolWay)? Or just cut it at CypAve, GriDr, or BurBlvd?
US 99hislos: OsbPl -> OsbSt
US 99hislos: VanNuys -> VanNuysBlvd
US 99hislos: move CA118 to the correct interchange
US 99hislos: do we have the correct route through San Fernando? Neither San Fernando Road nor Truman Street is signed, as best as I can tell, and I'm not sure which one US 99 actually used.
US 99hislos: add a point at SepBlvd between RoxSt and BalBlvd
US 99hislos: BalBlvd -> BalRd
US 99hislos: US6His_N -> US6His
US 99hislos: are there any signs north of BalRd? If not, maybe the north end should be at US6His
US 99hislos: move CA14 to the overpass
US 99hislos: LyoAve -> PicoCanRd
US 99hislos: McBeanPkwy -> SteRanPkwy
US 99hislos: I-5(173) -> HasCanRd and move west
US 99hislos: RidRte -> ParRd
US 99hislos: I-5(176B) -> LakeHugRd and move west - again, I can't find any signs in the Santa Clarita area, so maybe this part should be deleted
US 99hisrbl: where is this signed? I can't find anything on GSV, and it's a messy combination of 99W and 99E
US 99histul: ditto; where is this signed? if it does exist, Bar -> BarAve
US 99hiswee: fix coordinates to match I-5blwee
US 99Whiswlm: ditto; where is this signed? if it does exist, I5BL_S -> I-5BL_S
US 99Whiswlw: I5BL_S -> I-5BL_S
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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #186 on: January 24, 2020, 04:31:16 pm »
US 101hispas: US101_S -> US101(229), US101_N -> US101(232)
US 101hissan: ConWay -> ParkBlvd
US 101hissan: I cannot find any signs in the city of San Diego. Unless there are some I am unaware of, this should be truncated to the north city limits (the railroad overpass south of CarVlyRd; it is signed in Del Mar). Also on US 80hissan, US101His -> HarDr.
US 101hissan: move JimDurBlvd north to the underpass
US 101hissan: CRS8 -> LomSFDr? S8 isn't signed here
US 101hissan: CRS9 -> EncBlvd? S9 isn't signed here
US 101hissan: CRS12 -> PalAirRd? S12 isn't signed here
US 101hissan: MisExpy -> CA76?
US 101hissan: add a point south of I-5(54C) at HarDr_W?

US 395hispow: CamNor -> TwinPeaRd
US 395hispow: CRS5 -> CRS5_S
US 395hissan: truncate to US80His_E and rename FaiAve? I can't find any signs north of here

US 395histem has the wrong route south of I-15(51); it is instead signed on the original route through Fallbrook. Delete everything before I-15(51) and replace with the following (the farthest south shield I can find is in Escondido):
I-15BLEsc_S http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.097042&lon=-117.071562 new EscBlvd point needed on I-15blesc
SunDr http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.101514&lon=-117.070911
9thAve http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.113116&lon=-117.079094
GraAve_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.120305&lon=-117.084212
GraAve_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.121680&lon=-117.081492
CA78_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.126962&lon=-117.083863
CA78_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.130359&lon=-117.085349 new MisAve point needed on CA 78
I-15BLEsc_N http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.128423&lon=-117.091615
AndDr http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.124101&lon=-117.106388
AutoParkWay http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.130494&lon=-117.122691
WooPkwy http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.141578&lon=-117.139036
SanMarBlvd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.142151&lon=-117.160531
LasPosRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.148394&lon=-117.188931
CRS10 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.153007&lon=-117.195513
RoBDr http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.173807&lon=-117.209406
MarVisDr http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.184982&lon=-117.223488
CivCenDr http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.193880&lon=-117.234335
CRS14_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.201565&lon=-117.243444
CRS13_S http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.203944&lon=-117.239721
BobDr http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.217220&lon=-117.226256
GopCanRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.247122&lon=-117.227983
CA76_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.257826&lon=-117.237371
RivRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.267312&lon=-117.236899
CamDelRey http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.288861&lon=-117.225537
CA76_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.294344&lon=-117.222088
CRS13_FalS http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.370051&lon=-117.251405
CRS15 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.376618&lon=-117.251426
CRS13_FalN http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.384637&lon=-117.251340
WilGlenRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.393982&lon=-117.200555
OldHwy395_S http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.387091&lon=-117.176914

US 395histem: add SteViewDr just north of I-15(51)?

US 395histem is signed through Rainbow as follows:
OldHwy395_RaiS http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.406860&lon=-117.163750
8thSt http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.410326&lon=-117.148257
WRaiValBlvd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.428057&lon=-117.141525
OldHwy395_RaiN http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.433626&lon=-117.139943

US395histem: CRS16_E -> CRS16_S or PecPkwy_S? S16 isn't signed here
US395histem: JeffAve_N -> JefAve_N
US395histem: PalSt -> PalSt_N
US395histem: DiaDr -> I-15BLLak_S?
US395histem: add a point at LakDr_W
US395histem: GraAve_LE -> GraAve or GrahAve
US395histem: FliSt_E -> I-15BLLak_N?
74: add a point at DSt in Perris
US395hisriv: CorAve -> ComAve
US395hisriv: missing GSJ at Vine St (south of CA91)
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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #187 on: January 24, 2020, 07:23:59 pm »
Georgia
US 441hiscla/US 441buscla/105: WayStS -> WaySt_S, WayStNW -> WaySt_N
US 441hiscla/US 441buscla/105: OldUS123 -> WylySt
US 441hiscla/US 441buscla/385 takes the wrong route in south Clarkesville; GA197Con -> LouSt and GA17/197_S -> GA17/197 needs to move northwest; this also requires changes in the 17 and 197 files
US 441hiscla/US 441buscla/197/385: GA17/115_N -> GA17/115

Iowa
ignoring the Lincoln Highway files, since they're not in usaush.csv
US 6hisatl/83: WhitSt -> WhiSt
US 6hisatl: IA83/148 -> IA148_S
US 6hisatl: move I-80 west to the overpass
US 6hisatl: CRN54 -> CRN54_S (or 5thSt_S? N54 is signed only south at I-80), FroRd -> CRN54_N
US 6hisatl: JunAve -> CRN72
US 6hisatl: CRN77 -> AntCouDr? N77 isn't signed here
US 6hisatl: move IA25_N east
US 6hisatl: DivSt -> CRP28
US 6hisatl: add CRP32 (Zenith Road) east of ZebAve
US 6hisatl: add CRP48 (Maple Street) and MarSt in Dexter; remove ClaSt
US 6hisatl: 1stSt -> 2ndSt
US 6hisatl: add CRP58_N (K Avenue)
US 6hisatl: LAve -> CRP58_S, shift east
US 6hisatl: US6_E -> US6/169
US 6hisbro: 100thSt/390thAve -> 100thSt and shift north
US 6hisbro: US63_S -> US63_E or just plain US63
US 6hisbro: JacSt -> CRV18
US 6hisbro: CouLineRd -> CRV36
US 6hisbro: DAve -> DAve_S, move it north
US 6hiscou: IA192 -> KanBlvd_W?
US 6hiscou: HarSt -> 1stSt
US 6hiscou: KanBlvd -> KanBlvd_E
US 6hisdur: US6_W -> US6/38
US 6hisdur: add CRY14_S (Cypress Street)
US 6hisdur: TayAve -> CRY14_N
US 6hisdur: YanAve -> CRY26_N, VailAve -> CRY26_S
US 6hisdur: 20Ave -> CRY30_N
US 6hisdur: add CRY30_S (Western Avenue)
US 6hisdur: 60Ave -> CRY40_N, 70Ave -> CRY40_S
US 6hisdur: BufAve -> CRY48
US 6hisdur: HicGroRd -> US6_E (or KimRd_E if that's no good for some reason)
US 6hisdur: LocSt -> LocSt_E and move east to the actual Main Street intersection (6 is signed to use Main Street, not the US 61 Business one-way pair)
US 6hisdur: any idea where the easternmost signs are? US 6 never used Main Street south of 4th Street, so unless signs are erroneously posted south of that intersection, we should end the route at 4thSt
US 6hisiow: US6_W -> US6_CorW? 1stAve_S -> US6_CorE?
US 6hisiow: RocShoDr -> RocDr (and add this and other relevant points to US 6)
US 6hisiow: RivDr -> RivDr_N
US 6hisiow: BurlSt -> MusAve_W
US 6hisiow: 1stAve_IC -> 1stAve?
US 6hisnew: 46thAve -> US6_W
US 6hisnew: CRS27_N <-> CRS27_S and move to the proper intersections (but it doesn't look like S27 is signed here, so 116thSt_S and 116thSt_N?)
US 6hisnew: 159 -> I-80 and move to the overpass
US 6hisnew: CRS23 -> CRS52

US 20hisepw: is this signed? I didn't see anything on GSV
US 20hisepw: Y13 -> 7thSt
US 20hisepw: SunRd_S -> CRY21_S, SunRd_N -> CRY21_N

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #188 on: January 24, 2020, 09:15:49 pm »
Illinois
US 66hiscar: US66His_S -> OldRt16?
4: US66His_N -> OldRt16?
US 66hiscar/4: CR3 -> RenRd
US 66hiscar/4: CR19 -> MainSt
US 66hiscar/4: CR26 -> SawHilRd
US 66hiscar/4: EasAve_W -> EasSt
US 66hiscar/4: LitRd -> CroCreRd
4: AllSt -> AllRd
US 66hiscar/4: CR36 -> CarCutRd
US 66hiscar: StanCityRd_S -> StaCityRd_S
4: CroRd -> CroMineRd
US 66hiscar: CroRd -> IL4_VirA
US 66hiscar: CroRd_E -> CroMineRd_E
US 66hiscar: move SneRd southwest and rename IL4_VirB (not the same intersection), add IL4_VirC northeast of the railroad
4: add OldRt4, move WriSt northeast
US 66hiscar: add a point at WriSt_N
US 66hiscar: add a point at IL4_VirD
US 66hiscar/4: CR37_W -> DeanSt, CR37_E -> JacSt (37 isn't signed here)
US 66hiscar: I can't find any signs in the IL4_AubA to IL4_AubC area, so delete AckRd_* and rename the others to match 4
US 66hiscar/4: should we interpret this to mean that 66 uses Lincoln Street? If so, add LinSt_S and LinSt_N on 4 and IL4_AubA and IL4_AubB on 66
US 66hiscar: IL4_AubD -> IL4_AubC, IL4_AubE -> IL4_AubD
US 66hiscar: CurRd -> CurRd_N and move southwest
US 66hiscar: RecDr -> KniRecDr
US 66hiscar: 2ndAve_N -> 2ndSt_N

US 66hiscar has an incorrect route in Springfield. Delete US66His_N and replace it with the following:
CapAve_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.798315&lon=-89.648674
IL97 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.803389&lon=-89.648550 new 5th/6thSt (?) point needed on 97
SanAve http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.830769&lon=-89.649425
8thSt http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.841742&lon=-89.644833
I-55BL/29 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.841948&lon=-89.633117 new TaiRd point needed on I-55blspr/29/US 66hischi
4 needs a point at 8thSt to avoid crossing this.

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #189 on: January 25, 2020, 07:20:15 pm »
US 66hischi: rename this just plain US 66his?
3: add ChaRocRd south of I-270
US 66hischi: add OldAltRd_S west of I-270(4A)?
US 66hischi: move I-270(4A) and I-270(4B) to the underpasses
US 66hischi: IL159_S -> BucSt (main thread)
4: US66His_S -> FroRd?
US 66hischi: CR19 -> StaRd
US 66hischi: DouArchRd -> FroRd_Sta, FroRd -> FroRd_Nor
US 66hischi: OldUS66_S -> OldRte66_MtOS, OldUS66_N -> OldRte66_MtON
US 66hischi: CR175 -> 10thAve
US 66hischi: ToIL48/127 -> ILRte48
US 66hischi: MainSt_Wag -> WagAve
US 66hischi: MvlAve -> MorAve
US 66hischi: MainSt_Far -> MineAve
US 66hischi: PulRd -> PonLn
US 66hischi/I-55BLspr: AdlSteDr -> SteDr
US 66hischi/I-55BLspr: do we have confirmation that the rerouting south of downtown Springfield has happened? If not, we should revert the changes.
US 66hischi/I-55BLspr: DirPky -> DirPkwy
US 66hischi: IL123 -> OldRte66
US 66hischi: US66HisSpr -> ElmSt_S, OakSt -> ElmSt_N
US 66hischi: KenRd -> CR10_W, add CR10_E just to the north
US 66hischi: CR22 -> ToCR22
US 66hischi: LinPkwy_S -> I-55BLLin_A
US 66hischi/I-55BLlin: add a point at StrAve, which is where US 66hislin actually intersects
US 66hischi: 5thSt -> I-55BLLin_B
US 66hischi: CR121 -> OldRte121 and move south to the intersection with the frontage road near 21st Street
US 66hischi: KicSt -> I-55BLLin_Co
US 66hischi: LinPkwy_N -> OldRte66_AtlS
US 66hischi: 2440St -> 2400St (or 2400thSt?)
US 66hischi: Main/CarSt -> CarSt_W
US 66hischi: 550N -> CR36 or FunGroRd
US 66hischi: 850N_W -> CR34_W or ShiRd_W, 850N_E -> CR34_E or ShiRd_E
US 66hischi: I-55BL_S -> I-55BLBlo_S, I-55BL_N -> I-55BLBlo_N, I-55BL -> I-55BLBlo
US 66hischi/US 51busblo: move OakAve west
US 66hischi/US 51busblo: move ColAve west
US 66hischi: 1900E -> CR29 or JefSt
US 66hischi: CR12 doesn't intersect
US 66hischi: MainSt_Lex -> CR8?
US 66hischi: DivSt -> CR19/26 or 2850E
US 66hispon should be added as a city-marked 1930-1939 route. The north end at 1600E on US 66hischi is signed, but I don't know about the south end (GSV photos on the bypass south of IL116_W are several years older than the rest). We should probably take it back to US 66hischi at IL116_W either way.
US 66hischi: 1600E -> PonRd
US 66hischi: 2000N -> 2000NRd
US 66hischi: OdeByp_S -> OldRte66_OdeS, OdeByp_N -> OldRte66_OdeN
US 66hischi: PraSt -> PraSt_W, add PraSt_E (this may be signed as CR1; it is west of the bypass)
US 66hischi: DwiByp_S -> OldRte66_DwiS, DwiByp_N -> OldRte66_DwiN
US 66hischi/53: +53X01 -> StoRd
US 66hischi/53: +53X02 -> CarHillRd
US 66hischi/53: add a point at MitSt in Braceville?
US 66hischi/53: RivRd -> WRivRd? West is not a normal directional prefix here
US 66hischi/53: +53X04 -> 216thAve
US 66hischi/53: NapRd -> NapNorRd
US 66hischi: SacDr -> SacAve
US 66hischi: move I-90/94 north half a block; there are ramps at both streets
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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #190 on: January 26, 2020, 08:31:27 pm »
US 66hislin: US66His_W -> I-55BL and move it south to Stringer Avenue
US 66hislin: add I-55BL_S at Washington and 5th
I-55bllin: add WasSt
US 66hislin: IL10/121_* -> IL10_* since 121 is north-south?
US 66hislin: US66His_E -> I-55BL_N
US 66hislit: US66His_* -> ColBlvd_*
US 66hislit: add a point at KruRd for better shaping?
US 66hisliv: US66His_S -> IL4
US 66hisliv: SpaRdE -> SpaRd
US 66hisliv: I-55(41) -> I-55
US 66hisliv: US66His_N -> OldRte66
US 66hismou: US66His_S -> USHwy66_S
US 66hismou: US66His_N -> USHwy66_N
US 66hissprcha: IL3_S -> IL3
US 66hissprwil: US66His_W -> IL123
US 66hissprwil: US66His_E -> MainSt

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #191 on: January 26, 2020, 09:13:51 pm »
Kansas
US 66hisgal -> US 66his; there's no other segment
US 66hisgal uses the Rainbow Bridge westbound, so move BeaRd northwest halfway to the road coming off the bridge

Massachusetts
US 6hispro: yuck. MA6A_Pro -> MA6A
US 6hispro/US 6: RacePtRd -> ConSt, since that one's signed
US 6hispro: MayAve is a bad place to end it, given that it's a private street. Maybe continue it east to the Provincetown limits, where state maintenance ends? that was probably Provincetown's intent when they posted the signs
US 20hishun: CookHillRd -> SkyTr

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #192 on: January 26, 2020, 09:24:39 pm »
US 99Ehischi: WTF?

I'm guessing this refers to the stray one-waypoint.wpt file, that's an unprocessed .wpt not in the HB.
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I had mentioned to Si that I'd seen US 99E historic signage south of downtown Chico (probably summer 2017), but no photos or other details. Si couldn't find the signs I saw.

I have no problems with omitting this route, unless a better GMSV search spots adequate signage..

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #193 on: January 27, 2020, 09:30:06 pm »
Missouri
US 66hiscar: US66His_W -> EstDr
US 66hiscar: US66His_E -> CR118

US 66hisejo is 1947-1975, not 1940-1975
US 66hisejo: US66His_W -> MO43/66 or I-44BL/43
66: US71Bus -> I-49BL
US 66hisejo: US66His_E -> ZoraAve
I-49bljop: ZoraSt -> ZoraAve

US 66hisesp: US66His_W -> I-44BL
US 66hisesp: US66His_E -> SROO_W

US 66hisflo: US66His_W -> MO366
US 66hisflo/US 61/US 67: BigBendBlvd -> BigBendRd
US 66hisflo: *_StL -> *
US 66hisflo/US 67: MOsAB_StL -> LadRd (Route AB is only west of I-270)
US 66hisflo/US 67: missing GSJ at BayDr (south of MO340)
US 66hisflo/US 67: MOsTT_StL -> McDBlvd (Route TT is gone)
US 66hisflo: I-270(26B) -> HanRd
US 66hisflo: I-270(27) -> NewFloRd
US 66hisflo: I-270(28) -> WasSt
US 66hisflo: I-270(29) -> FloRd
US 66hisflo: I-270(32) -> BelRd
US 66hisflo: US66His_E -> I-270(34)

US 66hislaq: does this still exist? it was signed as the through route in 2014, but in 2016 that sign was gone. At the other end, the route has gone straight since 2013. It seems that this alternate route no longer exists. But if it gets kept for some reason (such as new signs), US66His_W -> SRAB and US66His_E -> MO17

US 66hisman: US66His_W -> I-44BL/100
US 66hisman: *_Fra -> *, *_StL -> *
US 66hisman does not stick to 100. MOsOO_Fra -> MO100/OO, new point at BasRd, new point at MO100_Hol (also needs a FoxCreRd point on 100). New point at MO100_FoxW (WooMeaDr on 100), BucCreLn (for shaping), MO100_FoxE (ManRd on 100), MOsT_StL -> StAlbRd (shifted east), GleRd (for shaping), shift MO109 south (new ManRd point on 109), WesRd -> MO100_Wil.
100: WesRd -> WesFarDr
US 66hisman: SouAve -> SWAve?
US 66hisman: US66His_E -> TucBlvd

US 66hisnjo: US66His_W -> MO43_S or 2ndSt
43: BroSt -> 2ndSt
US 66hisnjo/43: missing GSJ at ZoraSt
US 66hisnjo: MO171_E -> MO171_S
US 66hisnjo: US66His_E -> MadAve

US 66hisnsp: US66His_W -> I-44BL_W
US 66hisnsp: *_Spr -> *
US 66hisnsp: US160_W -> US160/744?
US 66hisnsp: US66His_E -> I-44BL_E

US 66hisstl -> US 66his? this is the main segment, so no need for a suffix
US 66hisstl: StLouAve -> StLouAve_S (66 turns here), delete NewRd, add StLouAve_N at Euclid Avenue, UtiSt_W at Euclid Avenue, UtiSt_E at Florida Avenue
US 66hisstl: MOsD_N -> MOsD_Jas
US 66hisstl: MOsHH_W -> MainSt_E (HH ends at 49BL/171)
US 66hisstl: MO171_E -> I-49BL/171
US 66hisstl: OakSt -> OakSt_W
US 66hisstl: add Old66Blvd_W at Esterly Drive
US 66hisstl: move CL124 southwest
US 66hisstl: CR118 -> MO96_W (more important and the CR 118 intersection is to the south)
US 66hisstl: MOsU_W -> MOsU_Jas
US 66hisstl: MOsAA_W -> MOsAA_Law
US 66hisstl: MOsUU_W -> MOsUU_Law
US 66hisstl: add MO96_SpeW east of MOsM_N, MOsN_W -> MO96_SpeE, add MOsN_S, add CR1210 at Paris Springs, delete MO96/266, OldUS66_W -> MO266_W
96: add CR2062 east of MOsN_N
266: OldUS66_W -> Old66
US 66hisstl/266: MOsF_N -> MOsF_Gre, MOsF_S -> MOsK
US 66hisstl: MOsT_W -> MOsT_Gre
US 66hisstl: MOsB_W -> MOsB_Gre
US 66hisstl/266: add a point at AirBlvd
US 66hisstl: SceAve -> I-44BLSpr_E, move MO13 south (and add ColSt on 13), add ParkCenSq at the downtown circle, delete CamAve and JefAve, move NatAve south, add US65Bus_S at St. Louis Street, US65Bus -> I-44BL/US65Bus
I-44blspr: SceAve -> ColRd
US 66hisstl: I-44BL_N -> I-44BL/744
US 66hisstl: HolRd doesn't exist; replace with a shaping point
US 66hisstl: MOsB_E -> MOsB_Web
US 66hisstl: MOsHH_E -> MOsHH_Web
US 66hisstl: MOsJ_W -> MOsJ_Lac
US 66hisstl: MOsC_E
US 66hisstl: I-44(127) -> I-44BLLeb_W and move north; add MOsW on I-44blleb
US 66hisstl/I-44blleb: move UtahSt north as SprRd
US 66hisstl: I-44BL_E -> I-44BLLeb_E
US 66hisstl: MOsF -> MOsF_Lac
US 66hisstl: MOsAA_E -> MOsAA_Pul
US 66hisstl: I-44BL_W -> I-44BLWay_W
US 66hisstl/I-44blway/17: RepRd -> SweRd
US 66hisstl: ChiSt -> MOsF_Pul
I-44blway: ChiSt -> MOsF
US 66hisstl: MOsZ_W -> TeaRd_W, delete TimRd, MOsZ_E -> TeaRd_E, create a new US 66hisdev (1926-1943?) with points from MOsZ_W to MOsZ_E
US 66hisstl: MOsJ -> MOsJ_S
US 66hisstl: add MOsD_W just north of I-44(172), realign I-44(172)
US 66hisstl: add ArlRd just south of I-44(176)?
US 66hisstl: MOsC_W -> MacSt
US 66hisstl: MOsT_E -> MOsT_Phe
US 66hisstl: CR7050 -> CR7000
US 66hisstl: move I-44(184) east as I-44BLRol_W
I-44blrol: add MarSprDr
US 66hisstl: add MO72
US 66hisstl: 10thSt -> MOsBB_Phe, MOsBB -> MOsBB_Jas
I-44blrol: 10thSt -> MOsBB
US 66hisstl: 14thSt_Rol -> MOsE, 14thSt_StL -> 14thSt
I-44blrol: 14thSt -> MOsE
US 63: OldUS66 -> Rd2000
US 66hisstl: add a shaping point west of MO68_N
US 66hisstl: MO68_N -> MO68_W
US 66hisstl: MOsKK_W -> MO8/68
US 66hisstl: MOsF_E -> MOsF_Cra
US 66hisstl: MOsKK_E -> MOsKK
US 66hisstl: MOsUU_E -> MOsUU_Cra
US 66hisstl: MOsH_E -> MOsH_Cra
US 66hisstl: MOsN_E -> MOsC_Cra
US 66hisstl: MOsJ_E -> MOsJ/N
US 66hisstl: add MOsFF east of BalRd
185: MOsD_E -> SprRd_W
US 66hisstl: MS185_N -> MO185_N
US 66hisstl/185: MOsD_W -> ToMOsD
US 66hisstl: SprRd_S -> MO185_S
185: SprRd_S -> SprRd_E
185: I-44 -> MOsAF and move east
US 66hisstl: MS185_S -> MO185
185: SprRd_N -> SprRd
US 66hisstl: add MOsW_E and MOsJJ_W on either side of I-44(230)?
US 66hisstl: add MOsAB_Fra west of I-44(239), MOsAB -> MOsAB_Gre?
US 66hisstl: add MOsAH south of I-44(242)?
US 66hisstl: MOs_O -> MOsO
US 66hisstl/I-44blpac: I-44(257) -> ViaSt
US 66hisstl/I-44blpac: 1stSt -> MOsF/OO
US 66hisstl/I-44blpac: HilVwDr -> HilDr
US 66hisstl/I-44/US 50: add 274A, 274 -> 274B
US 66hisstl/366: MacRd -> MOsP
US 66hisstl/366: missing GSJ at RivPerBlvd
US 66hisstl: KinBlvd_S -> KinBlvd_W, KinBlvd_N -> KinBlvd_E
US 66hisstl: add a point at MOsD_StL (MLK Drive, just south of Cole Street)
US 66hisstl: Bway_S -> Bro_S
US 66hisstl: RivBlvd_W -> RivDr_W
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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #194 on: January 29, 2020, 07:09:22 am »
Nebraska
US 6hisgre: route confirmed in 1923 Blue Book
US 6hisgre: AngRd_W -> AngSt_W
US 20hisrus: yuck, no touchy.