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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: michih on May 23, 2020, 11:40:16 am

Title: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on May 23, 2020, 11:40:16 am
Actual status of the systems:

frabfcd21 - Côte-d’Or Routes Départementales
frabfcm21 - Dijon Métropole Routes Métropolitaines
frabfcd25 - Doubs Routes Départementales
frabfcd39 - Jura Routes Départementales
frabfcd58 - Nièvre Routes Départementales
frabfcd70 - Haute-Saône Routes Départementales
frabfcd71 - Saône-et-Loire Routes Départementales
frabfcd89 - Yonne Routes Départementales
frabfcd90 - Territoire de Belfort Routes Départementales

Legend:
Black=not yet drafted (not in HB), Red=devel, Orange=preview, Green=active

Notes to routes:
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/FRA-BFC/frabfcd/README.md

Please report issues here!
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on August 21, 2020, 04:33:33 pm
frabfcd25 - Doubs Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. About 480 routes with 2,000 miles.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on September 06, 2020, 06:16:39 am
frabfcd39 - Jura Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. 515 routes with almost 2,000 miles.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 04, 2020, 11:05:18 am
frabfcd58 - Nièvre Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. 312 routes with more than 2,500 miles.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on November 13, 2020, 12:59:28 pm
frabfcd70 - Haute-Saône Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. About 400 routes for almost 2,000 miles.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on November 14, 2020, 03:55:35 pm
frabfcd90 - Territoire de Belfort Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. 76 routes for 300 miles.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on November 27, 2020, 01:50:36 pm
Future M route systems: https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2976.msg20989#msg20989

frabfcm21 - Dijon Métropole Routes Métropolitaines
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 01, 2020, 12:24:05 pm
frabfcd71 - Saône-et-Loire Routes Départementales will be partially in HB as in-development system with the next site update. Mostly trunk routes (orange on OSM).
frabfcd89 - Yonne Routes Départementales is partially in HB as in-development system. Mostly trunk routes (orange on OSM).
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 23, 2020, 09:59:51 am
frabfcd89 - Yonne Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. More than 400 routes for over 2,800 miles.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 23, 2020, 02:09:43 pm
M123 (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2816306,5.0174827,3a,15y,301.22h,92.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGcXEIsJrRXQcSx3JYFhJHw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), M903 (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.3598876,5.0464902,3a,16.4y,282.93h,91.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAph2D8tax6x8VYk2Ap1zWg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and M974 (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.3598153,5.0468751,3a,15y,330.68h,96.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYQLcL0i2G_QTKFFqbg8ljw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in Dijon are signed according to Sep / Oct 2020 GSV :) I also checked some inner city routes but those do still have black/yellow D signs or have no numbering on signs.

https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Dijon_M%C3%A9tropole
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 28, 2020, 02:40:26 pm
frabfcd71 - Saône-et-Loire Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. Almost 500 routes for over 3,000 miles.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 04, 2021, 08:19:06 am
frabfcm21 - Dijon Métropole Routes Métropolitaines will be in preview with the next site update. 38 routes for 85 miles.

It is a preliminary draft since Sep/Oct 2020 GSV does not yet cover the whole metropolian area and the both end locations of the routes are not clear (unlike Lille where I have a map clearly indicating the routes). See readme (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/tree/master/hwy_data/FRA-BFC/frabfcd) for more info. I just drafted the system to know more or less the transitions to the D route system so that I can draft frabfcd21 system now - the last one of the region :)


Edit: frabfcd21 - Côte-d’Or Routes Départementales will be in devel with the next site update.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 09, 2021, 02:10:11 pm
frabfcd21 - Côte-d’Or Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. More than 570 routes for over 3,300 miles.

All system of Bourgogne-Franche-Comte are in preview now :)
Title: frabfcd90 - Territoire de Belfort Routes Departementales
Post by: si404 on September 21, 2022, 12:53:01 pm
D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D7, D8, D9, D10, D11, D11A, D12, D13, D14, D15, D16 - fine

D17 - D130 -> HSa/TeB (as D130 is in a different system)

D18, D19, D19Bel, D20, D21, D22, D23, D23Elo, D23B, D24, D25, D26, D27, D28 - fine

D29 - D60 -> RueAer

D30 - RueGraCha -> RueChe

D31, D32, D33, D34, GES D34, D34Bre, D35, D36, D37, D38 - fine

D39 - D480 -> Dou/TeB

D39Mez, D39A, D40, D41, D42, D43, D44, D46, D47, D47B, D48, D49 - fine

D50 - add point for RueDeuxFon as leads to D26/D42

D51, D52, D53, D55, D56, D57, D58 - fine

D59 - signed as D466 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@47.8100712,6.8466987,3a,48.7y,139.34h,98.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2pKGCxl0W-v6pSxacHcvIg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en), with the OSM D59 signed as D59 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@47.8051853,6.8465821,3a,40.2y,148.83h,97.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scq1j0rsmKKSFepeXRZKa-Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

D60, D60A, D61, D83, D119, D171, D419, D437, D463 - fine

D465
 - D59 -> D466
 - Ger -> D59

D1083 - fine
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on September 21, 2022, 01:17:43 pm
D17 - D130 -> HSa/TeB (as D130 is in a different system)

You convinced me doing so when reviewing one of the first frad systems. I implemented it ever since. I think you argued that there is no rule for using district (i.e. departement) border names. I can try looking back if you want....

btw, I will be traveling for the next three weeks. I will be processing the reviews "afterwards".
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on September 21, 2022, 02:34:38 pm
D17 - D130 -> HSa/TeB (as D130 is in a different system)

You convinced me doing so when reviewing one of the first frad systems.
When there's a road of same system...

And you do the border point every other time.
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btw, I will be traveling for the next three weeks. I will be processing the reviews "afterwards".
you might have a full inbox! But no worries about delays.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on September 21, 2022, 03:18:13 pm
D17 - D130 -> HSa/TeB (as D130 is in a different system)

You convinced me doing so when reviewing one of the first frad systems.
When there's a road of same system...

And you do the border point every other time.

I failed finding your proposal in this thread, fraidf (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3568) or frahdf (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3630). Where else did we talk about departement / district border label names? I'm sure that I was told to replace Xxx/Yyy non-region border labels by the road number of the route beyond the border. Minimum when the border / wp is at a junction. Which regions out of France have systems changing at district borders? I think it's important because there are a lot of wp labels named according to this approach... Was it when talking about wp label rules?

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btw, I will be traveling for the next three weeks. I will be processing the reviews "afterwards".
you might have a full inbox! But no worries about delays.

I don't worry since your peer-review-to-be-processed backlog is also still quite long ;) I'd love to have gufd (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=4751) done soon. It's small and the last chocolate system in rest of America.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on October 21, 2022, 07:56:34 am
I failed finding your proposal in this thread, fraidf (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3568) or frahdf (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3630). Where else did we talk about departement / district border label names? I'm sure that I was told to replace Xxx/Yyy non-region border labels by the road number of the route beyond the border. Minimum when the border / wp is at a junction. Which regions out of France have systems changing at district borders? I think it's important because there are a lot of wp labels named according to this approach... Was it when talking about wp label rules?

I did say this one, but it's not the route over the border:
D924
 - HDF/IDF -> D929
but that's as it meets D929 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=michih&r=frahdf.d000495&lat=49.163705&lon=2.294748&zoom=15) in that system and region. In fact it also meets D4 from that system, but not in that region.

And here, I ask you to rename a point (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=michih&r=frahdf.d016362oig&lat=50.460851&lon=3.026240&zoom=15) which you've named after the intersecting side street rather than the border. Note that I don't have you call it D54a (the departmental road in Nord), but instead the border.
D163Oig - RueFus -> PdC/Nor (no intersecting route, but the route on the continuation of this route on the other side of the border)

I believe the confusion is coming from this one:
D173 - Yvl/HdS_N -> Yvl/HdS, Yvl/HdS_E -> D907 (I know the D907 is in HdS, and the D307 ends at this point, but a border point in middle of the route is wrong)
You will, however, note that I explicitly make a comment that the route I'm asking you to label is in a different department (and system) due to the mutual assumption that this was not good labelling, but point out that it's better than the terrible alternative we start with.

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Which regions out of France have systems changing at district borders?
Obviously there's the Corse/Alsace exceptions where two departments share a system because the departments don't maintain roads but the collectivity does, and a few places where one department maintains a route in another department, but the Route Departmental systems explicitly change at departmental boundaries such as these - after all that's sort of their whole schtick!

And all-but-two of the routes I've reviewed so far have used departmental boundary labels where the route ends at one (providing it doesn't meet another route of the same system at that point). Both of which are in this system - and are exceptional even within this small system - at least 10 times that number of points use the boundary labels within this system, despite that system being small.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 21, 2022, 03:34:12 pm
I believe the confusion is coming from this one:
D173 - Yvl/HdS_N -> Yvl/HdS, Yvl/HdS_E -> D907 (I know the D907 is in HdS, and the D307 ends at this point, but a border point in middle of the route is wrong)
You will, however, note that I explicitly make a comment that the route I'm asking you to label is in a different department (and system) due to the mutual assumption that this was not good labelling, but point out that it's better than the terrible alternative we start with.

Yep, I believe you are right. But it's not at the end of the route, so totally different than D17-90's wp. :pan:
You will face similar shit in other systems. Please report it and I'll change it. Thanks.
Title: Re: frabfcd90 - Territoire de Belfort Routes Departementales
Post by: michih on October 21, 2022, 03:51:41 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6084

D29 - D60 -> RueAer

Nope, D60 is signed on 2018 and 2019 GSV, confirmed by OSM, GM and my beloved wikisara (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_d%C3%A9partementale_fran%C3%A7aise_D60_(90)). Extended D60 instead.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 24, 2022, 03:51:46 pm
Further comments on frabfcd90 - Territoire de Belfort Routes Départementales before activation?
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on October 24, 2022, 05:19:39 pm
Looks like you've addressed my comments, and the extending the D60 shows that you've given the system a look too. So it's double thumbs up from me!
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 25, 2022, 01:43:09 pm
frabfcd90 - Territoire de Belfort Routes Départementales will be activated with the next site update.
Title: Re: frabfcdXX: Bourgogne-Franche-Comte Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 22, 2023, 12:19:33 pm
frabfcm21 - Dijon Métropole Routes Métropolitaines will be in preview with the next site update. 38 routes for 85 miles.

It is a preliminary draft since Sep/Oct 2020 GSV does not yet cover the whole metropolian area and the both end locations of the routes are not clear (unlike Lille where I have a map clearly indicating the routes). See readme (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/tree/master/hwy_data/FRA-BFC/frabfcd) for more info. I just drafted the system to know more or less the transitions to the D route system so that I can draft frabfcd21 system now - the last one of the region :)

Checked. Looks fine. Virtually no changes related to GSV coverage. I changed the D/M transition labels to the municipality since the wps are exactly at the boundaries: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6323

frabfcd21 and frabfcm21 are also ready for peer-review now.