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FRA: Massive downgrade of autoroutes & routes nationale

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dave1693:
At first glance (and through my spotty French) this all seems to imply that we're getting a new class of regional Rnn highways, or something similar, when all this is done. Am I way off base here?

michih:
I'm also curious about the regional routes. I asked the same on SSC. I think if anyone knows, the info should be on wikisara forum. I don't speak French at all and don't try to catch the info there ;)

si404:

--- Quote from: michih on January 28, 2023, 09:51:18 am ---Thanks! If I get it right, it's still possible that some roads might not be downgraded?
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They've actively chosen the word "transferred" rather than downgraded.

I've seen something saying that Autoroute status, and European importance (I presume both E roads and TEN-T, as they would both require effort for the French State to change above and beyond just the process to hand over roads they don't want), wouldn't be removed. Though that's not to say that certain autoroutes wouldn't be downgraded (short spurs and the like).

And there seems to be an implication on the SARA forum that (like many Outre-Mer N roads) that the National routes wouldn't require reclassifying from 'N' to 'R' when transferred to a Region (explictly a region/region-level body, rather than departmental/metropolitan). Corsica renumbered theirs as T, but didn't have to (and hasn't done a great job changing cartouches) - that was a political choice.

There's also legislation restricting the ability of a region to reduce the standards on certain non-Autoroute roads as they form a defacto part of the Autoroute network - but I don't think many of those routes have been transferred from State to Departments/Region/Metropole (one hasn't even been transferred from Department to the State as originally planned).

michih:

--- Quote from: si404 on January 28, 2023, 08:01:43 am ---The SARA forum has something resembling dates on it.
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There is no update on the SARA thread since January. I'm just back from Dijon where A38 and N274 should be transferred. There are still the old signs in the field. N19 and N57 in Haute-Saône are also still signed.
Being in France, I took the opportunity to reclinched fraa system by traveling the new A79 segment north of Montmarault.

si404:

--- Quote from: michih on May 01, 2023, 11:59:35 am ---There is no update on the SARA thread since January. I'm just back from Dijon where A38 and N274 should be transferred.

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It's literally the first of May, and a public holiday - note the timeline I provided above. We weren't due to get lists of roads to be transferred until tomorrow at the earliest, and they don't transfer until next year...

Not withstanding that the existing regional routes in France (save in Corisca where they politically wanted to say they are a territory owned by France, not part of the French nation) are signed with N (and in one case A) status, and that the expectation is that the autoroutes in Marseilles will remain such despite being handed over to PACA.

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