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Highway Data Discussion => Updates to Highway Data => Solved Highway data updates => Topic started by: nwi_irish96 on September 19, 2018, 02:59:28 pm
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http://kokomoperspective.com/politics/indiana/section-officially-part-of-i/article_ca36c98a-c571-5702-8251-5b6d8b5ae3c5.html
Section 5 of I-69 has officially been designated as such.
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Awesome. Thanks. I'll add it this weekend.
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Based on this map from the state (https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/files/I-69%20Section%205%20Map.pdf), this is IN 37 around Bloomington up to the IN 37/39 split SW of Martinsville, so Bloomington is technically connected by interstate to Evansville but not Indianapolis.
Is there an ETA on the remaining segment? All of I-69 in Indiana goes in a direction not on my "might travel otherwise" list, so I'm not going to clinch it until it's all finished.
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Is there an ETA on the remaining segment?
https://www.in.gov/indot/projects/i69/2336.htm
I-69 Section 6 will begin in Martinsville and end at I-465 in Indianapolis. The Section 6 Final Environmental Impact Statement will be delivered in the spring of 2018. Construction is anticipated to begin in Fiscal Year 2020.
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Just remember that the new I-69 segment officially ends @ the Indian Creek bridges, about a mile south of IN-39 per this post on AARoads.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg2357420#msg2357420
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LOL Arnprior
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LOL Arnprior
Don't remind me! LOL!
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Before I add this I need exit numbers. The aaroads topic (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855) had pictures of some but I could not find a list anywhere. Maybe they're buried in that topic? I only viewed the most recent ~ 6 months.
So far I have found photos of 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 123, and 125, but still need numbers for Liberty Church Rd and IN 45/46. Wikipedia and OSM show the same numbers for these exits but I do not trust those sources.
Any help will be appreciated.
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Only missing Liberty Church Rd and IN 45/46, and you have photos of the rest, right?
Do Wikipedia & OSM match the numbers of the exits you have been able to verify?
That could tell us how risky of a roll of the dice this could be...
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haha yakra, I was just about to make that same post you just did over @ AARoads!
Anyways, from what I understand, we could put the 'northern current' end of I-69 @ that at-grade right before Indian Creek. Now if we can just get a name for it.
Also, I would recenter Exit 114, as it does seem to be to be off enough that a re-centering would be justified.
Also with 'CooLn' being marked as closed in both I-69 & IN-37's files.
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One other side note, in 'I-69Whe' file, it seems a few other points could use some re-centerings.
1) Exit 104 and the two shaping points between 114 could use some cleanup.
2) shaping point right after exit 87 is off the highway
3) Exit 62 seems to have been centered on the 'original' alignment of US-50 & US-150 there before the interchange was completed, so it could use a re-centering onto the new road alignment thru the interchange in all 3 files.
4) the first two shaping points after exit 46 could also use a re-centering back onto I-69.
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Did some more searching, and now I have all the exits.
IN 45/46 is Exit 120. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/132926214@N07/44708925021)
Liberty Church is Exit 134. (https://www.reporter-times.com/update-on-section/article_d5bc2924-5171-5b32-9234-2196104a12be.html)
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Anyways, from what I understand, we could put the 'northern current' end of I-69 @ that at-grade right before Indian Creek. Now if we can just get a name for it.
Assuming this would eventually be closed upon future upgrades to Interstate standards...
This would leave us an unsightly closed, named waypoint amongst numbered exits. (Not that we necessarily wouldn't have that anyway. There is CooLn, unless it's unused & unnecessary for shaping and could be deleted. See also: AB AB216 MerSt (http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=38.msg454#msg454))
Are we sure that we've checked INDOT/FHWA/AASHTO sources (which, naturally, may well contradict one another) and found this to be the bona fide end?
...LOL Arnprior. ;P
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Is there something wrong with placing the end where I placed it (exit 134)? Adding a few feet to the file (and an unnecessary point to IN 37) for the next X years until Section 6 is built seems unnecessary.
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Absent doing a whole lot of research, I think it's fine.
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Absent doing a whole lot of research, I think it's fine.
Agreed. If there's an 'END' (or 'BEGIN') sign added there, then we can change this IMO.
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And a new can of worms has been opened. lol.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4855.msg2360294#msg2360294
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Simplicity vs. accuracy. In this case, I'd vote for simplicity and leave the end at Exit 134. Yakra has a good point about odd endings that are temporary.
The "CooLn" point, IMO, should be hidden and used as a shaping point.
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Simplicity vs. accuracy. In this case, I'd vote for simplicity and leave the end at Exit 134. Yakra has a good point about odd endings that are temporary.
I agree. For among other reasons, that's my takeaway from the Arnprior drama, where we used interchanges as the ON 417 endpoint even with evidence like route markers indicating the route continued past the last interchange.
The Arnprior story played out mainly on the CHM forum, but its third phase was recounted here. While we were jabbering away about whether to place the endpoint at exit 180, I found that MTO went out and built a new exit 184. Later, mapcat spotted new exit 187. In both cases, we moved the west endpoint to the westernmost interchange.
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I'd be in favor of extending I-69 a bit only if there weren't another route there on which users could claim mileage. Since IN 37 isn't going away, I prefer the simplicity of keeping the end at the exit.
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Whatever I may have said over on the CHM forum re: Arnprior notwithstanding, I'm also in the simplicity > accuracy camp, especially considering the moving target here.
CooLn specifically, is in use (http://travelmapping.net/hb/?u=sipes23&r=in.in037) and thus has value as a usable point; it should stay as-is, visible & marked closed.