Serbia Motoputevi (srbm) and Serbia redo (tier 5 system to come)

[michih]

There are more reviews out there waiting to be processed....

I'll get to them this summer (and review a few systems too).

I think I'll wait with the tier 5 review so that you have a chance to process old reviews and give a peer-review by yourself

[michih]

Summer is over now. Should I wait longer?

[michih]

R100:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.101983&lon=19.763718 heading to A1's exit 3, road parallel to the motorway = possible detour
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.977846&lon=20.165631 heading to A3's exit 7
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.956842&lon=20.200768 heading to A1's exit 20
Not sure about south end. I guess you've gone with GM? The official list indicates "Beograd" but OSM only indicates up to R319. But hey, there was a "100 sign" back in 2015. Keep as-is.


R105:
SRB/ROU is far into Romania. Please also update ROU DN59F.


R108:
At wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.249664&lon=19.396727 for B12's UliKraPet_W
I've synced the border wp: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/8038


R109:
OSM indicates its west end at R105. However, the official 2024 list indicates it ending at R100. 2014 GSV shows R109 being R103 here but also R100 being R102. 2022 mapillary indicates R100 and R102 or R101 and R102. Damn... It looks like you've gone with GM. Well, keep as-is.


R112:
Exceeds limits west of R114
B12_W -> B12_Bat ?
B12_E -> B12_Zab ?


R113:
Replace StePut by wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.345823&lon=19.731483 heading to a corresponding wp at R100


R118:
R118 -> R104


R119:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.213827&lon=19.611744 for the ferry


R120:
Exceeds limits west of R315
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.994616&lon=19.815913 heading to a GSJ u/c
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.665887&lon=20.163823 heading to B26's UliKraPetI


R121:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.081930&lon=19.221831 because it's the first "relevant junction" after the first motorway exit
Maybe add a wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.158082&lon=19.318305 because it's the last "relevant junction" in front of the border


R122:
Move HRV/SRB to the actual border


R134:
OSM and GM have a different end point @ B14


R135:
Add wp for M3 opening Dec 30


R136:
Not sure about east end. You've gone with OSM this time. GM indicates a route through Majur though. The official list indicates "Majur-Bogatić-Petlovača". 2024 mapillary does not show the number on R124 but 2020 mapillary shows a 136 sign where we have its end now. Keep as-is?
B26_W -> B26_Pet ?
B26_E -> B26_Sok ?
Add wp for M3 opening Dec 30


R139:
B257 -> R257


R141:
Exceeds limits south of R143
R337_N -> R337_Ose ?
R337_S -> R337_Pec ?


R147:
Exceeds limits east of R160


R149:
Exceeds limits north of R344
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.706780&lon=20.508749 for Beli Potok - also heading to A1's exit 29

[michih]

R155:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.525051&lon=20.741576 for Dubona


R156:
Exceeds limits south of BraRadPut


R158:
R27_E -> B27_E
R215_N -> R215_Poj ?
R215_S -> R215_Del ?
A4(1) -> 1(A4) ?
A1(48) -> 48(1) ?
A1(49) -> 49(1) ?
Please remove ToR418 since this is not a regular junction; still unpaved according to OSM
Please also remove R418's ToR158 wp


R159:
R34 -> B34


R162:
R33_W -> B33_W
R33_E -> B33_E


R164:
R33_W -> B33_W
R33_E -> B33_E


R165:
R34 -> B34
R33_W -> B33_W
R33_E -> B33_E
R35_W -> B35_W -> B35_Vra ?
R35_N -> B35_N
R35_S -> B35_S
R36 -> B36


R167:
B35_N -> B35_Kla ?
B35_S -> B35_Mil ?


R168:
SRB/ROU is far into Romania. Please also update ROU DN56B.


R173:
B28_W -> B28_Rad ?
B28_E -> B28_Vol ?


R174:
R339_N -> R339_Jak ?
R339_S -> R339_Uzi ?


R175:
R21 -> B21


R185:
Exceeds limits south of R160


R187:
Exceeds limits west of R189
Add wp for exit 5 of the recently opened A5


R188:
Add wp for exit 6 of the recently opened A5


R189:
I think that our current routing is incorrect. We should rather go with GM than with OSM. No GSV, no mapillary data available. The official list indicates "veza sa državnim putem 158 - Bresje - Loćika - Belušić - Oparić - Velika Drenova - Stopanja". Only the other route goes through Loćika. That's also where R381 should start albeit their description does not help: "veza sa državnim putem 183 - Tečić - Vukmanovac - Loćika".


R191:
Add wp for Priboj since it's the last town in front of the border, e.g. @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.584016&lon=19.521933


R192:
Split the route at the Bosnian border just south of R194
SRB/MNE is far into Montenegro. Please also sync MNE R4's wp.


R193:
Add wp for Sjeverin
Sync border point with BIH M507


R194:
Slightly exceeding the limits east of B23


R195:
Misses the R196 wp


R196:
Add a visilbe wp between R195 and B21 ?


R197:
Please extend the route up to the Montenegrian border (indicated on OSM) since the offical list indicate its end at "državna granica sa Crnom Gorom"
Exceeds limits south of B29
Slightly exceeding limits just north of R198


R198:
Exceeds limits east of +X228543


R199:
Convert +X399061 into a visible wp at the next junction to the north

[michih]

R200:
The list indicates: "Prijepolje - Manastir Mileševa - Aljinovići" That means, the route extends to B29. OSM does not indicate what path is used. GM indicates the former M8. The end point would be @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.328936&lon=19.879262 There is no GSV and 2021 mapillary shows a yellow sign w/o numbering. I suggest to extend the route.
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.391109&lon=19.653747 for Prijepolje town center


R201:
Replace +X791153 by a visible wp for Bare
Maybe one or two more visible wps ?


R205:
SRB/MNE seems to be at the border crossing but not at the border. Please move and sync MNE R6


R206:
Exceeds the limits
Please extend to the actual border according to OSM


R207:
Add visible wp for Aleksandrovac


R211:
Add a visible wp for Kopaonik


R212/R213:
"212: Brzeće-Blaževo-Merćez-Kuršumlija" + "213: Blaževo-Leposavić" -> OSM + GM are likely wrong. Truncate R213 and extend R212 to B35 albeit 2024 mapillary does not show any numbering for that road at B35. I've reported to OSM.
Extend R213 to the Kosovar border
R213's R414_W -> R414
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.138929&lon=21.280255 heading to B35's KosIva


R215:
"Kruševac-Đunis-Deligrad" but OSM indicates it starting at Pojate taking over the former B23. I think that's fine.
Add a visible wp for Stalac
R158_N -> R158_Poj ?
R158_S -> R158_Del ?


R216:
"veza sa državnim putem 215 - Kaonik-Ribare-Vukanja-Prokuplje-Žitorađa-Doljevac - veza sa državnim putem A1" please truncate from R158 and reextend to A1 to match the description and to match OSM + GM
R158's wp label can remain as-is since there is no intersecting road
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.192021&lon=21.833519 for Doljevac


R217:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.542296&lon=21.707815 heading to A1's exit 46


R218:
Delete superfluous +X763004 + +X202557


R219:
Exceeds limits north of R423


R220:
"Minićevo - Novo Korito - državna granica sa Bugarskom (granični prelaz Novo Korito)" pleaes extend to the Bulgarian border


R221:
Check routing at south end in Dimitrovgrad. OSM and GM do both have different routings. I think that OSM has the most logical option. Another logical option would be from the roundabout in the east towards R259. If we are not sure, we should end the route at the roundabout.
Add a visible wp between Pirot and DonKri


R223:
Replace +X263820 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.988820&lon=22.479197 for Strelac
R259_W -> R259_Bel ?
R259_E -> R259_Suk ?


R225:
Exceeds the limits north of B39
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.126183&lon=21.841094 for R158's KnezMih_N


R226:
Exceeds limits south of ParPut_W
Add a wp in the west of Leskovac or in Gornje Stopanje


R227:
Add visible wp @ the beginning of the unpaved section near Lake Barje
Add visible wp @ the end of the unpaved section
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.511562&lon=21.920568 for Zlatokop


R228:
Add wp for Prolom
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.993968&lon=21.470879 ie near the paved road


R230:
Extend route to the Kosovar border (check Esri WorldImagery) ?


R231:
Add a visible wp @ Lake Vlasina's north end
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.556617&lon=22.369355 for Gornja Lisina
R39 -> B39
R438 -> R439

R233:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.329743&lon=21.893842 for Jablanica


R243:
"Jošanica-Kijevo-Mališevo-Dulje" does not meet our routing but a route in Kosovo. Only indicated on OSM (since 2016). Not indicated on GM. No GSV, no mapillary. Please remove route. Also reported to OSM.


R244-R256:
Seem to be in Kosovo. Fine.


R257:
Exceeds limits west of R139


R258:
Relocate +X468994 to the south so that it's possible to distinguish R258 and R158 on mapview, maybe adjust R158's shaping point location too.
Exceeds limits south of A1(56)
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.369309&lon=21.730276 for Rajince, heading to B41's UliUra
Add shaping point to A1 south of exit 57 so that lines do less overlap on mapview
Add wp for Cukarka / Mamince as last logical travel end point in front of the border
Does not meet MKD R1104's end point. Satellite view shows a well done road on the Serbian side heading further south than we have in HB. I've just moved the MKD border point to where it should be.


R259:
Relocate A4's shaping point between exit 6 and 7 so that the lines do less overlap on mapview
R223_W -> R223_Bel ?
R223_E -> R223_Suk ?


Once this will be processed, I'll review the srbrb routes.

[si404]

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/8050/files

(there's the R1104/R258 border point that I've just fixed. I misunderstood your "Does not meet MKD R1104's end point." as describing the situation on the ground, rather than the situation in the browser. The points are now synced).

[michih]

there's the R1104/R258 border point that I've just fixed.

I guess you've locally fixed it.

I think that srbr system is ready for activation. Data error FPs, unused alt labels, NMP FPs.
And for srbb system, I think we can remove the unused alt route names now, can't we?

[michih]

R401:
Not on the official list. Indicated on OSM but 248a on GM. No GSV available. July 2024 mapillary does not show any numbering. Reported to OSM. I think we should remove the route from HB.


R300:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.060758&lon=19.748155 heading to the next motorway exit.
I'm not sure about the routing at east end. The log only indicates "Subotica-Velebit - veza sa državnim putem 102" i.e. to R102. You've gone with OSM - via a dirt road according to OSM and 2014 GSV - but GM routes it through Tresnjevac. Their route meets R102 at a junction with yellow signs according to Oct 2024 mapillary. I tend to change the routing according to GM.


R302:
"Banatsko Aranđelovo - Rabe" i.e. the route log does not indicate that the route extends to the border. Is it the first time that the log in incorrect about that or should we truncate the route to Rabe? The border crossing was opened in October 2019. I reckon that 302 continues to the border crossing. Keep as-is?
Replace +X620317 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.094417&lon=20.258709 for Majdan, last junction in front of the border.


R304:
Add wp for Stanisic since the road is a dead end


R307:
"Bašaid - Nova Crnja" but our route does not continue to Basaid. GM has no number at all, you've gone with OSM. I guess R307 should end at B13 north of Basaid but Sep 2024 mapillary does not show 307 at the junction. I think we should keep it as-is.


R308:
B129 -> R129


R310:
I'm not sure about the routing between Banatski Karlovac and Deliblato. Should we rather go via the gravel road than via the dirt road near +X214759 ?
B129 -> R129


R312:
OSM and GM do both have the same routing at south end but is OSM right about the ferry landing location, or GM? OSM is at the other road. Their ferry landing was only added four year ago, the time table was added five months ago. I think we should
- Add a wp for the road to the "OSM terminal" @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.829605&lon=21.340819
- Remove Fry from R312's end point: StaPalFry -> StaPal


R319:
"Batajnica (veza sa državnim putem 100) - Ugrinovci - Surčin (veza sa državnim putem A1)" indicates that north end is at R100. However, OSM (but not GM) extends it to A1 and  mapillary actually shows it being signed at A1's exit 21 from 2017 thru 2024. There is no number at R120 on 2024 mapillary nor at A1's exit heading northbound. We should truncate R319 from R120 to A1's exit 21 (and rename R120's wp).
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.827684&lon=20.222880 for Dobanovci
R100_N/_S -> R100_W/_E ?


R322:
B124 -> R124


R323:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.600491&lon=19.499681 at the end of the paved section
R21 -> B21


R324:
Add a visible wp between B26 and R323 because it's really a long distance and there are several villages along the road
R323_N/_S -> R323_W/_E ?


R325:
Add a visible wp for Zvezd (dead end road)


R327:
"Družetić (veza sa državnim putem 21) - Joševa - Valjevska Kamenica" but I cannot find a logical route from our end to B21. Keep as-is.
Rename R328 ? see below


R328:
"veza sa državnim putem 21 - Gola Glava - Valjevo" I highly doubt that OSM (and our route) is right beyond Caric. Reported. Should we truncate the route to Caric @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.317070&lon=19.836234 ?


R330:
There is an "End" wp in the middle of the route. Was it intended to be split? OSM would have a continues road starting a little bit north of "End". Either split the route or go via the most logical OSM route including an additional wp for R257.


R336:
"Kruška (veza sa državnim putem 137) - Šljivova" is missing in HB but I also don't know what route it is; not indicated on OSM nor GM. No GSV available. Keep as-is.


R337:
R141_N -> R141_Ose
R141_S -> R141_Pec


R338:
Exceeds limits north of R174


R339:
Not sure about the rouring in Uzice. OSM number indication ends at KraPetI_W. GM extends straight to B28 but we turn towards R174. Had a quick look with mapillary but there are little signs at all in downtown Uzice. I'd rather go with GM.
R174_N -> R174_Jak
R174_S -> R174_Uzi


R340:
R141_S -> R141_Nov


R141:
R340 -> R340_Nov


R344:
Replace +X235160 by a visible wp for Guberevac


R346:
Replace +X410737 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.643082&lon=20.453882
Replace +X719107 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.666314&lon=20.504023


R347:
Replace +X336923 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.663678&lon=20.589994



R349:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.536741&lon=20.543028 for Babe
Replace +X543563 by a visible wp at the next junction heading to R150's KraPetPrv wp

[michih]

R350:
Replace +X920202 by a visible wp at the next junction to the south
Truncate route to R351


R351:
Extend route to A1, see route log: "Brestovik-Umčari - veza sa državnim putem A1", confirmed by OSM + GM


R356:
R358 is off


R360:
Adjust the position of +X312127 and +X968640 and A2/E763's +X406799 so that the lines do less overlap on mapview
B22 is off
R361 -> R361_Lju


R361:
Exceeds limits south of B22_S
There's a huge implied concurrency with B22 (9mi), longer than the southern remainder of 7mi. I tend to split the route
R360_N -> R360_Dic
R360_S -> R360_Lju


R362:
B22 is off


R366:
Add shaping point @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.295995&lon=20.527825
End -> Buk


R372:
Replace +X982547 by a visible wp for Klicevac


R376:
Add a visible wp for Rakova Bara


R378:
Add a visible wp for Veliki Popovac


R383:
Add a visible wp for Crkvenac


R385:
Add a visible wp for Jelovac


R387:
Add a visible wp for Bosnjane


R389:
Exceeds limits north of B36


R391:
Exceeds limits north of R392
Replace +X102667 by a visible wp for Podgorac
Add a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.895581&lon=21.962528 for Bogovina


R392:
"Zlot - Zlotska pećina" i.e. we should extend the route up to the cave -> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.029335&lon=21.962163


R393:
Replace +X311389 by a visible wp for Brezonik


R394:
Add a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.037450&lon=22.094504 for Brestovac
Add a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.954607&lon=22.141061 for Metovnica


R395:
Add a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.866787&lon=22.193381 for Lubnica


R396:
Exceeds limits east of B34


R398:
Exceeds limits east of R165
Routing in Negotin.... OSM takes the western route (where the old "24" but also Recko are signed on yellow signs according to 2024 mapillary) but GM takes the eastern route (where we only see a white sign without any number according to 2018 mapillary). You've gone with OSM what seems to be best guess. Please add wps @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.224974&lon=22.531189 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.226581&lon=22.523925 to make the routing clearer.

[michih]

R401:
see above


R404:
Add wps in Zlatibor for the dead end road:
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.728065&lon=19.703942 heading to B23's northern wp
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.730445&lon=19.698234 to make the routing clearer
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.725103&lon=19.694962 heading to B23's souterhn wp
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.728852&lon=19.687881 heading to B23's northern wp
- shaping point in the west to avoid exceeding the limits


R405:
Dead end road, please add wps @
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.696370&lon=19.667823 (to avoid hidden wp)
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.682309&lon=19.654031 (ski resort)


R406:
"veza sa državnim putem 195 - Sirogojno - veza sa državnim putem 195", you missed the northern link back to R195 (changed on OSM four days ago)


R407:
"Mijoska - Dumljani - Bijov grob - državna granica sa Crnom Gorom" ie continues to the MNE border. OSM + GM end the road where we currently have it. However, Bijov grob is indicated on OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5357121599#map=15/43.21099/19.62791 but there is no continuous path on OSM I'd suggest to add. I've reported the issue. Maybe a local will look into it and extend the route. For the time being, I'd keep our route as-is.


R408:
Add a wp for Lucani


R409:
Add shaping point @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.433464&lon=20.227869
B197 -> R197


R410:
Add visible wps e.g.
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.689613&lon=20.608973
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.695885&lon=20.648659
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.702727&lon=20.658969


R412:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.395331&lon=20.516356 because it's a dead end road


R413:
"veza sa državnim putem 22 - Novopazarska Banja - Izbice - Lopužnja - administrativna linija AP Kosovo i Metohija" i.e. route should extend to the Kosovar border. I guess it's the northern route towards Gnjezdane in Kosovo but am not sure. Reported. Keep our route as-is for the time being.
End -> Neg
Add wp for Izbice @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.131390&lon=20.563558 replacing the shaping point


R414:
Please extend to the Kosovar border as indicated on OSM (changed four days ago)


R415:
Either add shaping points south of ZarZar to make routing clear, or split the route.
Add wp for Buci north of ZarZar
Replace +X427460 by wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.223770&lon=21.540644 for Cukovac


R417:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.305405&lon=21.690702


R420:
Add a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.731290&lon=21.631506 for Grabovo replacing +X813041 (and +X632003 ?)
Add a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.686328&lon=21.799187 for Zuckovac replacing +X648237


R423:
"veza sa državnim putem 219 - Štipina-Debelica-Borovac-Vratarnica" ie the route should extend to the north. I only suggest another wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.692282&lon=22.276089 for the time being.


R424:
B158 -> R158


R426:
B35 -> B35_Mal


B35/E771:
R426 -> R426_Mal


R428:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.216686&lon=22.315984 for R259's wp


R429:
Remove R211
R259 -> R211/R259


R431:
Add one or two visible wps along the route since it's a dead end road


R433:
Exceeds limits
End -> SviPut
Add wp for Sijarinska Banja


R434:
Exceeds limits east of +X951028
Replace +X693124 by a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.773794&lon=21.758568 for Melovo
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.861551&lon=21.760483 for Popovce
Replace +X408849 by a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.904160&lon=21.755172 for Sumane


R435:
Replace +X699573 by wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.683871&lon=21.822646 for Dragobuzde


R436:
Exceeds limits south of +X564560
Add a visible wp east of +X461649 for any village


R437:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.003447&lon=21.985096 for Bratmilovce
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.065039&lon=22.081538 for Jarsenovo


R438:
Replace +X323811 by wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.930407&lon=22.097256 for Kozare
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.892029&lon=22.072231 for Grdelica
"Vlasotince - Grdelica - veza sa državnim putem A1". To A1. Thus, I wonder about south end... Confirmed. Keep as-is.


R441:
B40_W -> B40_Vla
B40_E -> B40_Sur


R442:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.558929&lon=22.175775 for Kriva Feja + add a shaping point east of it
Replace +X689543 by a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.501212&lon=22.294328 for Gornja Ljubata


R445:
Not sure about north end. But keep as-is.
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.538279&lon=21.719112 for Breznica


R446-R470:
Seem to be in Kosovo. Fine.


R475:
Please keep in mind (open a thread on the other board after system activation):

Article 8
The public road Novi Beograd (Vojvođanska Street) - Surčin Jug interchange is temporarily categorized as a state road of class IIB, code 475.

Article 10
This regulation shall enter into force on the eighth day from the date of its publication in the "Official Gazette of the Republic of Serbia", and the provision of Article 8 of this regulation shall apply until April 1, 2025.

[michih]

Please deal with the R300 issue (see data error, you updated the coords for the wrong wp). Rest is good enough. Ready for activation.