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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2021, 10:07:22 am »
Looks like 495 is ready per a quick look at Bob Malme's photo page.
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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2021, 09:13:01 pm »
I went down I-91 south of I-90 both direction on a daytrip last weekend.  The photos are on my site - should be good for verification from the CT line to exit 12. https://nysroads.com/photos.php?route=i91&state=MA
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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2021, 12:58:58 am »
I-495
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4932

Broken labels that have moved from one location to another:
12 14 15 19 22 25 27 36 41

Indirectly broken labels: These old labels were not needed at a new location, but were intentionally broken because everybody using them in a .list file paired them with one of the broken points above. Rather than create bad stats & maps for everyone, I opted to just break these .list lines & thus include notes in the .log files that they need attention.
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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2021, 12:49:39 pm »
I-395
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5088

Broken labels that have moved from one location to another:
4 7

6 was not retained as an AltLabel for 11, because the 2 people using it have the old Exit 7 as the other waypoint. Rather than create bad stats & maps, I opted to just break these .list lines & thus include notes in the .log files that they need attention.

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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2021, 02:19:34 pm »
Was all set to commit changes to I-290, but then had to get nitpicky about the shared endpoint with I-395.

When converting I-395, I didn't take the 12A/B split into consideration, and just used 12 for the endpoint label. OK whatever, SFSG.

For I-290, doing a straight-up conversion of old->new exit numbers begs for 7->12A and 8->12B.
Considered changing 12->12A on I-395 to match, and have a uniform unbroken labeling sequence along the one physical highway.
But that doesn't sit quite right in that I-395 has no exit 12A. Not for the exit numbers facing travelers along, well, I-395. And its Exit 12 is a bit farther north than the "12A" (current MA I-290 7) point, connecting directly to MA12. Part of the footprint of what's for now still waypoint 8. (Heh wow. Never really noticed how the 395->90 movement is Breezewooded thru intersections with 3 local streets...)
Then I thought, 1PPI! 12A & 12B are in name more clearly part of the "same thing" than 7 & 8 (heck, the NB exit was already signed as Exit 7 anyway).
We could collapse 7 & 8 into one point, labeled 12 because Exits 12A & 12B in one interchange.
Centering on MA12 is a nice central location for the whole complex, and that would allow a graph connection -- OxfSt could slide over a bit & become I-290/395.

Or... labeling? MA12 has a vanilla I-290 point. For those who find both a numberless I-290 and I-290/395 awkward, it could become I-290(14), and would-be I-290/395 could become I-290(12) instead, dovetailing with one another a bit better. By that point, the highway is already I-290 anyway, if only for a matter of feet. ;) MASSDOT GIS has the designation changing at the gores of the directional ramps to/from the I-90 connector.

Thoughts?
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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2021, 02:31:14 pm »
I'm fine with it.  I did see a couple of labels on MA 12 (SouSt>-SouSt_N and WebSt>-WebSt_S) in the area that I would edit in the meantime.

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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2021, 02:06:59 pm »
http://blog.mass.gov/transportation/massdot-highway/statewide-exit-renumbering-work-complete/
spose we can finish the rest now?
Was waiting till we got photo confirmation for I-91 & MA2, but that's not a very good reason to hold off. Yes, let's finish this off.
Nota bene: While https://newmassexits.com/i-91-corridor implies 6->5 southbound, and OSM seems to have picked this up & run with it, https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#i91signs1 shows it's in fact 5A. I don't see any other potential sources of confusion like this that'd require photo verification.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5100
Holding off a wee bit longer on I-290, to allow for more discussion on what to do with its endpoint at I-395, whether to merge 12A & 12B into 12, and what to label the points on MA12.



MA2
No .list files broken.
The smallest new exit number is greater than the largest old number.



I-91
Broken labels that have moved from one location to another:
6 7 8 12 14 25 26 27

16 was not retained as an AltLabel for 14, because the 1 person using it has the old Exit 27 as the other waypoint. Rather than create bad stats & maps, I opted to just break osu_lsu.list & thus include a note in the .log file that it needs attention.

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1 afarina ben114 bhemphill clark1mt dave1693 dfilpus fwydriver405 highplainstrvlr highway63 hsford Ib3kii jstalica julmac jwood lakewy17 M3200 mapmikey mc49399 mefailenglish mikeandkristie new_friends_gr ngrier njhighways osu_lsu sbeaver44 scott_stieglitz SK220 Smeeg101 sneezy squatchis stnyroads tckma thehighwayman3561 therealcu2010 vespertine whopperman

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Waypoint I-91(23) moved from State Rd in Whately, now labeled I-91(32), to Mount Tom Rd in Northampton.
I-91(21) purposefully broken, as it was only paired with I-91(23).
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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2021, 05:04:12 pm »
The proposed merging of potential points 12A and 12B and associated changes for MA 12 sound fine to me.  The only thing I'd note is that whatever alt labels are done for I-290 should probably be done with MassDOT's proposal to merge it into I-395 should the dual mile markers cause confusion in mind.

EDIT: fittingly enough, the board is telling me this is post #290 for me!
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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2021, 11:42:00 pm »
The only thing I'd note is that whatever alt labels are done for I-290 should probably be done with MassDOT's proposal to merge it into I-395 should the dual mile markers cause confusion in mind.
I-290 will not have any AltLabels -- annoyingly, it will be broken for literally everybody.
Every in-use waypoint label will have to move to a new mileage-based location, except for 7 & 8.
Exit 8 is only used in jweeks.list: MA I-290 8 19. Rather than create bad stats & maps, removing the 8 AltLabel from the file will create a lack of stats & maps -- and leave a note in jweeks.log that something needs attention.
Exit 7 is the same deal on a much larger scale: Everything it's paired with, in every .list line, is already broken. So I'll also remove the 7 AltLabel and nudge everybody to make the changes they'd need to make anyway.

Should the extension/redesignation happen, I-290 would become an AltRouteName of I-395, the same way NY I-895 in a list file redirects to NY NY895, and I-290's data would get tacked onto the end of the I-395 file.
Old sequential numbers on I-290 that become new mileage-based numbers on I-395 are 7, 9, and 11.
9 & 11 are not in use on I-290, so they'll just be deleted; no AltLabels, no problem.
Any stray .list lines with MA I-290 7 would end up pointing to the new Exit 7 on the extended I-395, though this is unavoidable with 7 needed at the new location.

EDIT: fittingly enough, the board is telling me this is post #290 for me!
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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2021, 01:27:26 pm »
I-290

All .list entries for MA I-290 are broken! :(

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1 1995hoo 420Traveler aaroads angelsfreeek atsiatas baugh17 Beerman ben114 bobcobb brendan charliezeb chart33 cl94 crosboro7 dantheman dave1693 dcharlie dcm55343 deathtopumpkins dlsterner dnthrox dougtone drebbin37 duke87 electronym formulanone froggie fwydriver405 gpw griffith highway63 hoss6884 hsford htm_duke hugbear51 hurricanehink jaehak JamesMD jjbers johninkingwood jpinyan jstalica jt2020 justjake jweeks klundgren lakewy17 lkefct lowenbrau M3200 mapcat mapmikey mariethefoxy markkos1992 martindelaware master_son mojavenc neilbert nezinscot ngrier noelbotevera norheim okroads oscar ovoss_old paulthemapguy pbryan rlee roadgeek_adam roukan sbb618 sbeaver44 sipes23 SK220 skatcher tbwillie tckma terescoj terminal_moraine thehighwayman3561 tikester ua747sp valedc03ls vdeane wadsteckel walkabout44 whopperman yakra

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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2021, 03:46:02 pm »
Potentially handy way to see the old and new numbers, (more or less) side by side:

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5108/commits/801fbfaae47d2b95887b366cef52184b1c3fcdc7

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Re: MA: Massachusetts exit number conversion
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2021, 05:19:14 pm »
^ The lines are off by one, because old 7 & 8 have been collapsed into new 12.

There's also:
https://newmassexits.com/i-290-and-i-395
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