Travel Mapping
Highway Data Discussion => Updates to Highway Data => Topic started by: Markkos1992 on August 12, 2022, 07:36:07 pm
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I-190:
1. Consider adding a shaping point between 9 and 11 to keep the line west of NY 266.
2. 14B>-NY266?
I-490: Should 11 be split into two points?
US 9W:
1. It looks like UlsSt should be UlsSt_S.
2. NY443>-NY443_W
US 219:
1. Consider replacing the shaping point north of NY417_E with a visible point at what OSM shows as CR49.
2. Consider replacing the shaping point between NY98 and NY242_W with a visible point.
3. Consider replacing the shaping point south of LinRd with a visible point at CotRd (Cotter Rd).
4. Consider replacing the shaping point north of LinRd with a visible point.
5. Consider replacing the shaping point north of CR53 with a visible point.
6. MilRd>-CR100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4601223,-78.7015593,3a,75y,23.04h,89.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLfvB1XYTW1cUgwUDv5oZwQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
7. PetRd>-CR101 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.460401,-78.6946363,3a,26.5y,114.03h,92.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBhtZx-e3Vb-MxBil4IGt8w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
NY 5:
1. Should the MohDr labels be switched?
2. It looks like ChaDr should be MainSt_E.
3. I would love to request a point at Glen Ave/Schonowe Ave by Jumpin Jack’s, but that is not justified even to myself.
NY 5S:
1. Should a point be added at Turner St?
2. Consider making adjustments to I-90 east of 30, west of 29, east of 29, etc., to keep the line north or south of NY 5S as applicable. (and maybe replace visible points with shaping points along NY 5S if possible)
3. Should ShrRd be a visible point?
4. Consider replacing the shaping points east of ThaRd with visible point(s).
NY 7: Should ValRd be VlyRd?
NY 17A: The NY 94 labels should be W and E (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3376464,-74.3587806,3a,75y,221.9h,80.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHh-rc0e6hB2fLrh3gvYzwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) instead of S and N.
NY 30: I could use a point at Northampton Rd north of NY67_E as part of the roadmeet last weekend. (though someone else may need Van Dyke Ave as my vehicle missed that turn)
NY 31:
1. NY93_S>-NY93_E
2. I did not see a shield for CR35.
3. I think the shaping point east of NY237 may be best left alone.
4. I am unsure if WestAve is technically correct.
5. A point should maybe be added at Manitou Rd (direct connection to NY 531). There are other direct connections to I-490 that should arguably have points as well.
6. LyeAve>-LyeAve_E
7. Consider replacing the shaping point east of NY21_N with a visible point.
8. AtwSt>-CR7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0345037,-77.1572939,3a,75y,25.37h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6ss1fUgo0SXAyDRY5eUSRw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D6ss1fUgo0SXAyDRY5eUSRw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D19.119164%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) (I think)
9. Should CouHouRd be marked as closed?
10. It looks like SunRd should be relocated.
11. Consider replacing the shaping point east of NY90 with a visible point.
12. Consider replacing the shaping point east of NY38_S with a visible point (maybe Maple Ave).
13. Should the prefixes be removed for the BruSt labels?
14. RivRd (and many other points) could use a slight relocation.
15. Consider replacing the shaping point east of NY 31 with visible points.
16. Consider replacing the shaping point east of NY 298 with a visible point.
17. Consider replacing the shaping point east of CR3 with a visible point.
NY 32: AlbAve>-AlbAve_N
NY 61/NY 104: US62BusNia>-US62Bus
NY 69: A point should be added at River St. (direct connection to NY 49)
NY 85A:
1. I think that the NY85 labels should be W and E instead of S and N. (also this route should be flipped) (also affects labels on NY 85)
2. Consider replacing the shaping point west of SwiRd with a visible point at Martin Rd.
3. Consider replacing the shaping point east of NY 155 with a visible point.
NY 89: ArmRd>-WilRd (so no suffix debate)
NY 94: Consider replacing the shaping point east of NY208 with a visible point.
NY 155:
1. Consider replacing the shaping point north of NY 85A with a visible point.
2. WatShaRd>-VlyRd
NY 213:
1. CowHouRd>-DasRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8210292,-74.0459534,3a,75y,113.89h,90.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNuXIlSBgagu5txVECzt_bQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DNuXIlSBgagu5txVECzt_bQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D253.98749%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
2. Consider replacing the shaping point south of CR28 with visible points.
3. AbeSt>-AbeSt_E?
NY 214: MainSt>-MainSt_E?
NY 233:
1. The I-90 label could arguably be changed.
2. Consider replacing the shaping point south of CR840 with a visible point.
NY 242: Should WBBucRRd be shortened?
NY 260: Consider replacing the shaping points with visible points.
NY 300:
1. This route should probably be flipped.
2. Is the shaping point north of NY32/94 needed?
3. Should I-87 be marked as closed?
4. Consider replacing the shaping points west of NY32 with visible points.
NY 317: Is ValDr a useful point? (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0639841,-76.4689422,3a,75y,181.62h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snkaTHejVFzL__i2XvIXYnw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DnkaTHejVFzL__i2XvIXYnw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D181.1805%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
NY 370: NY31>-NY31_E
NY 383:
1. I did not see shields for CR174 and CR176.
2. FordSt>-FordSt_W
NY 384:
1. RaiBlvd>-RaiBlvd_W
2. NiaSt>-NiaSt_E
NY 386: I did not see shields for CR172 (should be slightly relocated) and CR119.
NY 414:
1. NY 31 and NY 414 have a brief concurrency on Glasgow St between Park St and Genesee St.
2. Consider replacing the shaping point between NY31 and NY104 with a visible point.
NY 429:
1. OliSt>-OliSt_S
2. WardRd>-WardRd_S
3. The NY31 labels should be W and E instead of S and N.
NY 443: US9W>-US9W_S
NY 531:
1. I did not see a shield for CR208.
2. A graph connection is missing with I-490.
NY 631:
1. WilPkwy>-WilPkwy_N
2. Signage shows it concurrent with NY 48 west to NY 690. (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.185038,-76.3602132,3a,75y,19.64h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skyrJ1ilWEiCw6Aldv0_Qig!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DkyrJ1ilWEiCw6Aldv0_Qig%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D14.583989%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) (will also affect labels on NY 48)
NY 890: Should this route be flipped (and converted to exit numbers minus NY5)?
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I-490: Should 11 be split into two points?
I would support this. Compare to I-390 Exit 11, which has 11 <-> 11A despite 11A not existing.
NY 31:
4. I am unsure if WestAve is technically correct.
The other option would be RedRd, which is NY31 south of there.
WestAve is also NY19Trk, which is not in TM but could potentially be added (?)
5. A point should maybe be added at Manitou Rd (direct connection to NY 531). There are other direct connections to I-490 that should arguably have points as well.
I would support points at ManRd, somewhere between NY386 and NY390 (preferably LonPonRd) and MtReadBlvd.
NY 383:
1. I did not see shields for CR174 and CR176.
NY 386: I did not see shields for CR172 (should be slightly relocated) and CR119.
NY 531:
1. I did not see a shield for CR208.
That's because Monroe County does not sign county routes. These should probably be WheCenRd, BowRd, StoRd, WesDr_E and WesDr_W, and ManRd.
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WestAve is also NY19Trk, which is not in TM but could potentially be added (?)
Ah, the truck routes again!
https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3426.0
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WestAve is also NY19Trk, which is not in TM but could potentially be added (?)
Ah, the truck routes again!
https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3426.0
I was not aware of the previous discussion on truck routes! I don't have an issue whether they're included or not, but NY19Trk is definitely one of the better-signed ones.
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I-190:
1. Agree
2. Based on the precedent from what I can see here on TM, 14B would be correct.
I-490: 11 should defintely be split into 11A and 11B (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1567529,-77.6354695,3a,20.6y,275.09h,92.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sweUC2zHodNmKZDuizIlOig!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
US9W:
1. Agree, but it should be UlsAve_S rather than UlsSt_S
2. Agree
US219:
1. Agree (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1830356,-78.6834185,3a,16.4y,210.09h,89.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sn4aOLwm4NvrR0Dc9OhrCBg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
2. I personally don't see a need here, but then again, I would rather have too many points than not enough.
3. See point 2
4. See point 2
5. See point 2
6. Agree
7. Agree
NY5:
1. Agree
2. Agree
3. If NY50 wasn't right there, I wouldn't be opposed ;D
NY5S:
1. Agree
2. Agree, since this is a mess, though I'm not sure what good replacing visible points with shaping points would do
3. Given that the Our Lady of Martyrs Shrine is there, I would say it should stay given that it is a long distance travel destination.
4. Add a visible point at one of the county routes in the area, and that should be sufficient
NY7: Agree
NY17A: Agree
NY30: A point at either one of those two would be fair
NY31:
1. Agree
2. County routes are not posted in Orleans County, so CR35 > CulRd
3. Agree
4. Seems to me like it should be BroHolRd, (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2199796,-77.9667936,3a,15.1y,194.48h,95.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1si96BEZ6jHv0bWDdA4J_m0Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) or NY19TrkBro ;)
5. Agree with ManRd, and I would also suggest adding LongPondRd and MtReadBlvd, as mentioned by webny99
6. Agree
7. No need IMO, but as I mentioned, I am not against any added points
8. Agree (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0385314,-77.1539716,3a,43y,121.92h,87.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa9TEw7CSvmpMvfJXhhjLvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
9. Someone with more familiarity with the area should weigh in here
10. I would relocate to WarRd (CR246?) (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0605607,-76.9690101,3a,48.9y,319.85h,82.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjF0z5Cx4-EZDBi9R1LymVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
11. See point 7
12. See point 7
13. Agree
14. Please do so
15. Not sure what you mean here ;D
16. See point 7
17. Agree. I would place it at CR5 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1575792,-75.8012768,3a,18.1y,131.08h,87.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s672X6GPbzOeilo7MtCfwXA!2e0!5s20180801T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
NY32: Agree
NY61/NY104: Agree
NY69: Agree
NY85A:
1. Agree
2. I don't see the need, but again wouldn't personally be against it
3. See point 2
NY89: Agree
NY94: I would move it to CR20
NY155:
1. I don't see the need, but again wouldn't personally be against it
2. Agree
NY213:
1. Agree
2. I would support points at CR24, CR25 or both
3. Agree
NY214: Agree
NY233:
1. Agree, should definitely be CidSt
2. I don't see the need, but again wouldn't personally be against it
NY242: Possibly WBuckRunRd?
NY260: I would suggest IreRd and BriSchHouRd
NY300:
1. The route is reference marked "west to east," so I would imagine that is why it is the way it is
2. Probably not, but I don't see a reason to remove it
3. Definitely, it has been closed for 15 years or so
4. I would suggest CR23 and LakRd
NY317: Looks pretty useless, so I would move it to MecSt
NY370: Agree
NY383:
1. Agree with webny99
2. Agree
NY384:
1. Agree
2. Agree
NY386: Agree with webny99
NY414:
1. Agree
2. I would suggest WayRd
NY429:
1. Agree
2. Agree, and needs to be adjusted slightly
3. Agree
NY443: Agree
NY531:
1. Agree with webny99
2. Oopsies ;D That should definitely be fixed
NY631:
1. Agree
2. Traffic Data Viewer disagrees, as does this assembly, (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1856641,-76.3610752,3a,41.2y,116.58h,92.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s91Bc-BvDZ1zwmgJ-EgkSyA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) and the Touring Route Book is too vague, so I would suggest no-build here
NY890: It is reference marked from south to north, so the direction is fine as is, but I agree that NY5S > 1A and I-890 > 1B
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WestAve is also NY19Trk, which is not in TM but could potentially be added (?)
Ah, the truck routes again!
https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3426.0
I was not aware of the previous discussion on truck routes! I don't have an issue whether they're included or not, but NY19Trk is definitely one of the better-signed ones.
As for the truck routes, I am 100% in favor of them making a return. The main argument that I saw in that thread was that they are not official, which means that all of the Bannered US Routes in NY except US62BusNia should also be removed based off that criteria, as per this NYSDOT source. (https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/engineering/technical-services/hds-respository/2019_HiDaC_07_-_Route_Numbering_Route_Signing.pdf) Since I don't see the usausb routes being axed anytime soon, I think it's only fair to bring back the usany truck routes.
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NY890: It is reference marked from south to north, so the direction is fine as is, but I agree that NY5S > 1A and I-890 > 1B
Going by reference markers, I-890 would also be flipped. Going by the regular mile markers would seem to be more logical.
As for the truck routes, I am 100% in favor of them making a return. The main argument that I saw in that thread was that they are not official, which means that all of the Bannered US Routes in NY except US62BusNia should also be removed based off that criteria, as per this NYSDOT source. (https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/engineering/technical-services/hds-respository/2019_HiDaC_07_-_Route_Numbering_Route_Signing.pdf) Since I don't see the usausb routes being axed anytime soon, I think it's only fair to bring back the usany truck routes.
I'd rather get rid of the ones that aren't US 20A or Business US 62 myself if we have to do anything with them, especially since we have no way of knowing where they all are. The old thread had a decent list, but that doesn't mean there haven't been changes since, and it's not like NYSDOT puts out press releases for these things (or even that they're all consistently signed). That said, since they're a different system, they might be treated differently (similarly to how unsigned interstates are included and unsigned anything else isn't).
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NY 31:
9. Should CouHouRd be marked as closed?
9. Someone with more familiarity with the area should weigh in here
I can't tell if it's a Google Maps error or an actual change to the routing that just hasn't been shown in Street View yet. The point location looks correct in TM as confirmed by Street View (https://goo.gl/maps/nZa8Ar7gA9pLtXMA6), so I would say it meets NY 31 about 1/4 mile east of where Google Maps shows unless something has changed more recently,
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Adding a few NJ Point Concerns:
US 9:
1. Should EarlDr be marked as closed or removed?
2. Gar(12)>-Gar(11A)
3. GosSwaRd seems to potentially be incorrect.
NJ 47:
1. GosSwaRd seems to be incorrect.
2. BeaDamRd>-CHDenRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1707034,-74.8210374,3a,75y,223.09h,91.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH3K6lfqPZmL8-RqLb-Bs7w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
3. ChrRd>-ChrFieRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2189156,-74.9317602,3a,15y,51.79h,84.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ7PSoviP59q0h2KUN5FPkg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
4. CR551>-CR551_S
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NY 317: Is ValDr a useful point? (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0639841,-76.4689422,3a,75y,181.62h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snkaTHejVFzL__i2XvIXYnw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DnkaTHejVFzL__i2XvIXYnw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D181.1805%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
Just noticed this during my clinch of NY317 yesterday. I would say the point should be at SMaiSt (about 900 feet west, at an actual turn in the route) rather than ValDr.
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Related to hopefully an upcoming trip (with the rental car I get whenever my car makes it in the shop), I would personally like a point on NY 394 at CR 69 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0988694,-79.3475986,3a,75y,292.14h,86.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYkPY_8jkQtgvWgLAYWRY7g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DYkPY_8jkQtgvWgLAYWRY7g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D359.9061%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) (though it is pretty close to NY 474 already).
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Related to hopefully an upcoming trip (with the rental car I get whenever my car makes it in the shop), I would personally like a point on NY 394 at CR 69 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0988694,-79.3475986,3a,75y,292.14h,86.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYkPY_8jkQtgvWgLAYWRY7g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DYkPY_8jkQtgvWgLAYWRY7g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D359.9061%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) (though it is pretty close to NY 474 already).
I actually do not need this point. I clinched NY 394 from I-86 (Exit 8 ) to NY 60/NY 430.
Anyway a few other NY point concerns:
NY 426: CR21>-CR2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0455753,-79.6998938,3a,75y,129.17h,82.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s914wezZXMn6OoMQkTRso6g!2e0!7i3328!8i1664)
NY 430:
1. CR622>-CR7 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1303506,-79.687915,3a,75y,346.91h,89.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYD8Ge2_3gpYnl0JtpFU5rA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664)?
2. Consider replacing the shaping point east of NY76_S with a visible point.
3. CR127>-CR54 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2670074,-79.4806653,3a,75y,113.34h,88.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s34qmGA-BMPpZ7BOUjZna9g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
4. CR13>-CR44 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1682637,-79.3845323,3a,15y,80.66h,92.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPoCPu_8oMmwVDOdPxu-wuw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) (and could use a slight recentering)
5. LakDr>-LakDr_W
6. BelRd could use a slight recentering.
7. FluAve>-FluAve_E
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I-190:
1. Consider adding a shaping point between 9 and 11 to keep the line west of NY 266.
2. 14B>-NY266?
I-490: Should 11 be split into two points?
Done.
US 9W:
1. It looks like UlsSt should be UlsSt_S.
There's no waypoint with this label.
2. NY443>-NY443_W
US 219:
1. Consider replacing the shaping point north of NY417_E with a visible point at what OSM shows as CR49.
2. Consider replacing the shaping point between NY98 and NY242_W with a visible point.
Done.
3. Consider replacing the shaping point south of LinRd with a visible point at CotRd (Cotter Rd).
Deleting both +X04 and +X05 leaves the line (just barely) within tolerance.
4. Consider replacing the shaping point north of LinRd with a visible point.
5. Consider replacing the shaping point north of CR53 with a visible point.
6. MilRd>-CR100 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4601223,-78.7015593,3a,75y,23.04h,89.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLfvB1XYTW1cUgwUDv5oZwQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
7. PetRd>-CR101 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.460401,-78.6946363,3a,26.5y,114.03h,92.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBhtZx-e3Vb-MxBil4IGt8w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Done.
NY 5:
1. Should the MohDr labels be switched?
2. It looks like ChaDr should be MainSt_E.
1. MohDr_W is in use. Changed to suffixless MohDr & AntRd.
2. Done.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6111/commits/628d9ca6e3c39a8cd4553af1686063606fd314a2
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NY 5S:
1. Should a point be added at Turner St?
2. Consider making adjustments to I-90 east of 30, west of 29, east of 29, etc., to keep the line north or south of NY 5S as applicable. (and maybe replace visible points with shaping points along NY 5S if possible)
3. Should ShrRd be a visible point?
4. Consider replacing the shaping points east of ThaRd with visible point(s).
1. Probably not? I don't know where Turner St is; I looked over the entire route in the HB and didn't see one; nothing at an obvious place calling out "there should be a waypoint here."
2. Nah, it'll be grand. 5S is N of the Thruway E of Jacksonburg, and N of the Thruway W of Fort Herkimer. It's mostly N of the Thruway here. I don't think we need to record every time two highways cross one another sans access. Especially in a minor case like this with no other routes intersecting or nearby.
I assume you meant "replace shaping points with visible points" rather than vice versa. That's something I generally do when opening up one of these routes in wptedit; you can see some of that in my most recent pull request. I'll do some of that here & see what shakes out.
3. Replaced with a point @ Noeltner Rd. This makes it pretty apparent that AurRd isn't needed for shaping, but some people may use it to cut down to NY30A @ Glen. Leaving it in.
4. Replaced the lot of them with a single point at Bullshead (one word) Rd.
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NJ Point Concerns from Yesterday:
US 9:
1. MapAve_New>-MapAve (If possible, I did not see another one.)
2. CoxsAve>-CoxAve (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6491837,-74.2961795,3a,75y,224.91h,88.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sB4daoVW_GdwVhyPWGyeEKw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
3. WasRd>-WasAve (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.47796,-74.2907782,3a,75y,303.03h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s7OIRPbBRmj9fN8ud09qziw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D7OIRPbBRmj9fN8ud09qziw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D308.90454%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) (also affects NJ 35)
US 202:
1. NFinAve>-FinAve
2. NMapAve>-MapAve
NJ 35: Is there a NJ35_U point missing here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.462025,-74.25712,3a,75y,313.44h,85.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdItXzTT90wedum5mgRHjqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)?
NJ 38:
1. FosRd>-MasFosRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9722752,-74.8567541,3a,75y,326.28h,95.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN1YelMq_oTeXh3HNoLCEEA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
2. LumRd>-LumAve (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9794173,-74.8228717,3a,75y,55.03h,90.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1WI4bRZ3bmB0C8r4mP3-jA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
NJ 72:
1. CR554 should be slightly relocated.
2. ShoRd>-ShoAve (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6528502,-74.1837763,3a,75y,182.7h,82.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slpdpEw-BexAgYtcxd8daGA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
NJ 124: Should CR527 be split into two points?
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NJ 124: Should CR527 be split into two points?
I'm originally from the area, and was just on that stretch the first weekend of November. I personally think so. as CR527 westbound follows NJ124 up to the CR512 waypoint. Thus:
CR512 --> CR512/527
CR527 --> CR527_E
This is one occasion that I'm just as happy I don't have to rectify an ideal mapping of CR527 with the mapping of NJ124...
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NY 34: Consider replacing the shaping points north of CheSt with visible points.
NY 282: WRivRd should be moved here (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0218472,-76.3669585,3a,75y,166.26h,79.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spQsi2g6rQAXfCAs-eTgzhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and should be renamed RivRd_E or ERivRd. (Note that there are references to PA 187 at this intersection.)
NY 328: Is the shaping point south of CR69 necessary?
NY 427:
1. MapAve>-MapAve_W
2. WilRd should be WilRd_E (and slightly relocated).
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NY31: EDeadCreRd & WDeadCreRd point labels
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Only noticed this due to an error message.
ny.i190;NY266;;;VISIBLE_HIDDEN_COLOC;ny.ny266@+x190(14B)
So, taking a look @ it, I wouldn't do any changes on I-190.
As for NY-266:
I-190/325 -> NY325
+x190(14B) -> I-190
Mainly due to how we've delt with other ramps intersecting @ numbered routes (like US-17 @ I-81 in VA).
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NJ 45:
1. SweRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6599868,-75.3230594,3a,75y,33.02h,98.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sEutgICabsJuJEscS4bJMSw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DEutgICabsJuJEscS4bJMSw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D128.30724%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) should be marked as closed, removed, or replaced with another point nearby.
2. Should there be a CR553A point?
3. ParRd>-ParStaRd
4. CR551>-CR551_S I think CR551_N may be at Park Ave...
NJ 49:
1. RoaRd should maybe be RoaShiRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4571709,-75.3024177,3a,75y,171.11h,91.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh5X-nDZwXRuKotbXRguUig!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
2. The CR555 points are missing though that may be purposeful.
3. CR548 should be slightly relocated.
US 9:
1. CR623>-RooBlvd_W?
2. WMillRd>-MillRd
3. WWasAve>-WasAve
4. WDelRd>-DelRd
5. Should a point be added at CR 561 BYP? (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4876226,-74.4592194,3a,75y,335.11h,92.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siPzc6MSdc1WcvylVv2X-Gg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
6. CheNeckRd_N>-OldNYRd (https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/sldiag/pdf/00000009__-.pdf)
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From 3/17-3/18 Long Island Meet Trip:
I-295 (NY): Should 7 and 8 be separate points?
US 1 (NY): ForRd>-ForRd_W
US 9W (NY):
1. HigAve_S may be just HigAve
2. WestAve>-WesAve
US 9W (NJ): The PIP line does not go west of the US 9W line for quite a while.
US 202 (NJ): I am seeing just HamTpk instead of PatHamTpk.
NY 24 (Hempstead): ElmAve>-ElmRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7081877,-73.7099281,3a,37.5y,94.91h,88.34t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMRVIUtJcs4SfwDNA4C9WLw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DMRVIUtJcs4SfwDNA4C9WLw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D132.35957%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
NY 25: I could use points at Broadway-Greenlawn and CR 4 (Commack Rd) in regard to turns at the meet itself. The first was a loop to check on the status of CR 86. The second was to access NY 454.
NY 110: The shaping point north of NY 25 could probably be replaced with a visible point.
NY 454: WinPl>-ConAve (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7931354,-73.1676663,3a,75y,104.95h,95.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sahqUG_phAGyq_QWC7hU8TQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
NJ 23: BroSt>-BroRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2418821,-74.6239963,3a,15y,205.25h,89.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQGqR-lyIwjK6dCMJ1U1jvw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
NJ 63:
1. EdgRd>-EdgAve
2. CR501>-CR501_N
NJ 67: I think a point or two is missing around I-95.
NJ 93: CR501>-CR501_S
Grand Central Pkwy: 14>-15 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7157645,-73.815737,3a,75y,292.02h,79.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb62bO6SYoj-mkDLmi6eMxg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
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From 5/12/2023 Trip:
NY 76:
1. It looks like NY 474 should be slightly relocated.
2. NobRd should be marked as closed or hidden. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2499685,-79.6590742,3a,75y,176.83h,89.98t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUbHB6AO5C7oMeHS9hf_gMQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DUbHB6AO5C7oMeHS9hf_gMQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D335.35773%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192)
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Grand Central Pkwy: 14>-15 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7157645,-73.815737,3a,75y,292.02h,79.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb62bO6SYoj-mkDLmi6eMxg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
That one could be debatable.
It's 14 going EB.
https://goo.gl/maps/3xGun5Vec56U4KZG8
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Only noticed this due to an error message.
ny.i190;NY266;;;VISIBLE_HIDDEN_COLOC;ny.ny266@+x190(14B)
So, taking a look @ it, I wouldn't do any changes on I-190.
As for NY-266:
I-190/325 -> NY325
+x190(14B) -> I-190
Mainly due to how we've delt with other ramps intersecting @ numbered routes (like US-17 @ I-81 in VA).
Yeah, NY 266 should have a point at I-190 here. (see I-80 at PA 42 and PA 44 just north of Bloomsburg)
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Grand Central Pkwy: 14>-15 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7157645,-73.815737,3a,75y,292.02h,79.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb62bO6SYoj-mkDLmi6eMxg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
That one could be debatable.
It's 14 going EB.
https://goo.gl/maps/3xGun5Vec56U4KZG8
The Jackie Robinson Parkway is 14, but EB Union Turnpike (15 WB) is combined with that ramp. I feel like it's similar to I-490 at NY 33 and NY 531 (NY 531 is 8 WB but combined with 7B EB).
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Grand Central Pkwy: 14>-15 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7157645,-73.815737,3a,75y,292.02h,79.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb62bO6SYoj-mkDLmi6eMxg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
That one could be debatable.
It's 14 going EB.
https://goo.gl/maps/3xGun5Vec56U4KZG8
The Jackie Robinson Parkway is 14, but EB Union Turnpike (15 WB) is combined with that ramp. I feel like it's similar to I-490 at NY 33 and NY 531 (NY 531 is 8 WB but combined with 7B EB).
Seems historically, Union was 14 going EB. https://goo.gl/maps/QaWv4uzVZyCSbed99
Jackie Robinson was 13W going EB before the reconfiguration. https://goo.gl/maps/FtrM16Sw7uWF3jce7 And was posted as such up till Oct '21 (https://goo.gl/maps/QPfk4ZR8jyY481R27). Heck, it was 13W going WB too (https://goo.gl/maps/vzpeNEMuxK2zcYbN9) before taking over 14 going WB.
But now both are clearly part of Exit 14 going EB. https://goo.gl/maps/d6kMhEXMZ3eA5mo39 Notice the lack of any split exit numbers where the split actually happens.
But it is interesting to say that Union was '15' going WB (https://goo.gl/maps/vzpeNEMuxK2zcYbN9) before all this exit number changing due to the interchange rebuild, and that there was no Exit #14 going WB.
Still, I'd say this is a no-build change here, due to Central keeping it's '14' exit number going EB.
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From Buffalo Meet Trip:
I-390:
1. Consider adjusting the line between 2 and 3 to keep it south of the NY 415 line.
2. 18A>-18 (not sure why it needs to be 18A)
US 62:
1. Consider replacing the shaping point north of NY 438 with a visible point. (also affects NY 39)
2. Consider replacing the shaping point north of NY249 with a visible point.
2. TiffSt>-TifSt
2. SParkAve>-SouParkAve_N
NY 5:
1. Has there ever been a discussion on making a NY 5 (Buffalo) file for the westbound routing in Downtown Buffalo?
2. The NY 63 labels (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9997142,-78.1923592,3a,75y,60.17h,97.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOzdJCbHoe1zGS2Wkyg8FgA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) should be N and S instead of W and E.
NY 33:
1. I would think that GooSt should be OakSt or ElmSt.
2. Should there be a graph connection at US 62?
3. NY63_E>-NY63_S
4. WestAve>-WestAve_W
NY 198: Should the LinPkwy point be here?
NY 384: The shaping point north of I-290 should be replaced with a visible point.
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1. Has there ever been a discussion on making a NY 5 (Buffalo) file for the westbound routing in Downtown Buffalo?
Is there a reason why one should need to clinch both directions in order to clinch NY 5 when this isn't true for any other route?
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1. Has there ever been a discussion on making a NY 5 (Buffalo) file for the westbound routing in Downtown Buffalo?
Is there a reason why one should need to clinch both directions in order to clinch NY 5 when this isn't true for any other route?
Not necessarily, this is just one of those odd instances where both directions are tough to account for without making the map look weird. (Think US 202 in Holyoke, MA) I also would prefer to leave the main NY 5 file as-is to not mess with graph connections.
Personally, it was better that I clinched both directions in this instance.
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NY 282: WRivRd should be moved here (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0218472,-76.3669585,3a,75y,166.26h,79.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spQsi2g6rQAXfCAs-eTgzhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and should be renamed RivRd_E or ERivRd. (Note that there are references to PA 187 at this intersection.)
Done via this thread. (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=5856.0)
NY 890: Should this route be flipped (and converted to exit numbers minus NY5)?
Done via this thread. (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=5804.0)
With the NY 79 realignment, I am considering another NY trip Saturday, but we will see if I do that or not.
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From yesterday's trip (yes focused on clinching NY 79):
US 11: Should I-81(8 ) be I-81(8A)?
NY 13: I would not mind a point at CR 54 (Oneida St). It was a turn on the 2020 Utica Meet.
NY 14: WooAve>-WooAve_W
NY 17:
1. I honestly think that 72 and 72B should be possibly switched. I am sure that would break list files though.
2. I am seeing 4B for I-81 at I-86 WB/NY 17 WB and 4A at NY 7. (any changes here would affect other labels)
NY 79: (east to west)
1. SqiHillRd>-SquHillRd
2. See https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=5857.msg33026#msg33026
3. Consider adding a point around Aurora St to better define the one-way section in Ithaca.
NY 89: NY96>-NY96_N
NY 96:
1. NY89>-NY89_N
2. Consider replacing the shaping point west of NY89 with a visible point at ParkRd.
3. I am requesting a point at Vinegar Hill Rd (VinHillRd) as this is where I turned around from NY 79 to head downtown and ultimately clinch NY 13A. (can replace nearby shaping point, looks like the point north of there could be made visible as well)
NY 414: I am requesting a point at CR 16 (direct access to Watkins Glen International). I turned here to do the Drive the Glen Saturday.
NY 419: Should this route be flipped? (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3703017,-76.8707934,3a,75y,258.08h,90.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sG9b-rTXUjgCC0Uez2vwITQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
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Regarding I-81, current 4 is definitely 4A (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1147068,-75.9056398,3a,75y,88.98h,97.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa9RyjlumQ27Xo8bcdj0sCQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu), and current 4A is definitely 4B (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1183882,-75.910362,3a,75y,202.66h,101.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spa1gM0yvKmuSaSwR3KCSrA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu), though I don't see a way to get the correct labels in place without breaking .list files. Since I-86Bin and NY17Bin only use I-81's number, their 4(81) points could be properly changed to 4A(81) without any adverse effects.
Regarding the Exit 72 and friends situation with NY17Bin and I-86FutBin, current 72B should be 72 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1133636,-75.9239822,3a,20y,291.6h,93.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9Z4z4awGyX9aL7sPewNnkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) and current 72 should be 72B (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1113192,-75.9137908,3a,75y,87.7h,97.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAS_wy_aQVjnbeK6X4gscDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1), though again I don't see a way to implement the correct labels without issue.
Regarding NY419, it is signed east-west, but the reference marker order in NYSDOT GIS (https://gisportalny.dot.ny.gov/portalny/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=28537cbc8b5941e19cf8e959b16797b4) support the orientation in the HB, so I guess it could go either way.
Also, NY17Bin (& I-86FutBin) and NY17C are just barely missing a graph connection at Exit 69.
Some additional fixes for routes mentioned:
NY13:
MilHillRd > CR134 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3910939,-76.5643494,3a,26.2y,297.22h,89.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXv1lJvlTw7beFgKiIh_RZw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
WarRd > CR121 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4826344,-76.4672353,3a,15y,37.71h,85.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_82uS8XGoBiR1w2sy-voZw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
Route out of tolerance between WarRd and NY366_W
NY79:
BlaOakRd > CR136 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4495069,-76.6707506,3a,23.1y,195.82h,87.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1symVvwJ0TmwZu2mcYaC4XAQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
SheRd > CR172 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4484464,-76.571326,3a,17y,23.68h,83.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sm2tqXj5LgRQB4RtSP7bTyA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
BesRd > CR175 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3962696,-76.410195,3a,15y,190.69h,84.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scSkWSxk-gPXJL_bT9EWmmw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
NY96:
KruCorRd > CR141 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4860826,-76.5734998,3a,15y,8.39h,84.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1si0hTJvkFBRXW1KBmY5g8rA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
NewDepRd > CR130 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3686701,-76.5523574,3a,37.6y,317.58h,83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sh0EHYvPY64mhI5dxnpoGyw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) (also affects NY34)
MapAve > CR188 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3188558,-76.5254541,3a,15.8y,90.37h,84.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suuTtiS4EgMEAvD6TrA-D6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) (also affects NY34)
MicHolRd > CR1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2575134,-76.5074704,3a,15.2y,73.45h,85.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDq7L0Y-a6oW_eFpX4Sb-eg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) (also affects NY34)
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yakra, might want to finally deal with this thread before it balloons even more. LOL!
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NY 25: Consider adding a point at 6th St (signed access to NY 114 SB) (https://www.eastcoastroads.com/states/ny/state/ny25/photogal/east/suffolk?fbclid=IwAR0eF8Ya65S-NTEhyXjBRqQgOeDFIyB65Ve8doiqXA3kSvnLiYnRwuV6iKA). Also FroSt>-MainSt_S.
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NY 454: Should a point be added at Broadway Ave (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=832858795299752&set=pcb.832858995299732)?
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Belt Pkwy: Should there be a 7A added at Shell Rd? It looks like Exit 7 goes beyond 1PPI.
NY 25: Consider adding a point at Glen Cove Rd (suggest the same for NY 25B).
NY 27A: SWelAve>-WelAve
NY 109:
1. I think this route should be flipped. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7311903,-73.4567947,3a,75y,146.05h,86.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swXKoOZy3lPgkrPFufchdPg!2e0!5s20201101T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
2. Consider adding a point at CR 3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7155783,-73.3930323,3a,75y,113.5h,91t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siJ5c-ZdSd1qvPGXXVpi53A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DiJ5c-ZdSd1qvPGXXVpi53A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D283.14096%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu). (direct connection to Southern State Pkwy and NY 27)
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Belt Pkwy: Should there be a 7A added at Shell Rd? It looks like Exit 7 goes beyond 1PPI.
I would say so. (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5840088,-73.9674204,3a,75y,299.08h,96.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVSSTgU79WvVvxqwx4DHP4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) Also, point 7 should probably be changed to 7B (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5848521,-73.9594919,3a,37.6y,280.83h,99.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMXWdnq0ZBiiXXtpUyGSzzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) for consistency.
Also, shaping point +X05 (just west of the Mill Basin Bridge) is significantly off-center, since it appears that it is located on the old Belt Pkwy centerline before the old Mill Basin Bridge was replaced by the current one (can be seen on Historic Aerials). Not sure if that realignment is worthy of an updates entry or not.
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Since this is turning into a catch-all NY thread, here's some stuff from routes that I traveled on during my trip the other day.
NY28:
13thLakeRd > CR78 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7441261,-74.0584482,3a,15y,269.94h,87.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skrzWtUh2El1DPCLtOifArw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
CedRivRd > CR12 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7849166,-74.3047131,3a,17.1y,269.88h,87.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgUbjJ-pqdL5RhCQ6eLJSMw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1)
Missing interchange at CR72 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4392052,-75.2026483,3a,46.5y,139.88h,82.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSI1ZUvLdbe5_Mr8PSAd2gw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
The point at NY212 needs to be recentered since this intersection was realigned when the new bridge over the Esopus Creek was built. (Same spot September 2023 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0393063,-74.2790222,3a,75y,9.31h,81.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spjJohf5ePnx_dqHJPCc3Hg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) vs July 2018 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0393672,-74.2788661,3a,75y,353.78h,76.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swMdkgyJdOr74CY8nMYmJzQ!2e0!5s20180701T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1))
NY30:
CedRivRd > CR12 (see NY28)
BigBroRd > CR4_Ham (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.7745469,-74.2632842,3a,15y,115.49h,87.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVexSeVmsoetC29rUZHrDUQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
CR4 > CR4_Sch
AlgDr > CR5 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4038897,-74.2858281,3a,15y,256.13h,88.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shesk5liZwIzVKFFMYQquPQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
BenRd > CR6 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.255452,-74.2253951,3a,19.2y,240.93h,89.2t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEcXX8ozxmY7z8qEKVo9rtg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
NewRd > CR56 (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9611764,-74.3259019,3a,15y,317.33h,91.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9CbmPtbvBzUVKeRX0xsfrg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
FayRd > CR41_Fra (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.7429228,-74.2883741,3a,19.2y,119.29h,88.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH3AmK5_3RCmAVTulXjybAg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
CR41 > CR41_Del
NY32:
CR38 > CR36 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1203256,-73.9910685,3a,16.4y,240.71h,86.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz3KiYWPwM5Y-J127ULAjnQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1)
PetRd > CR2 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1858838,-73.6191828,3a,19.2y,40.97h,88.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPtG8Y2-P6PGLM4Wo4II7kQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
Requesting a point at CR108 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5250356,-73.9507455,3a,50.3y,33.11h,85.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2AYg8gCU3MgkraBLiurEfg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) (in Albany County) to accurately map my travels. I used CR108 to get from NY32 to NY396.
NY212:
Recenter point at NY28 (see NY28)
NY300:
I-87 > *I-87 since both (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.508585,-74.0676167,3a,26.3y,187.04h,89.89t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sB3rFPqeYXo8182V9vJle4w!2e0!5s20220901T000000!7i3328!8i1664!5m1!1e1) ramps (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5100606,-74.0672386,3a,75y,237h,87.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scBXvVkjruGEtNQeuM_enKA!2e0!5s20220901T000000!7i3328!8i1664!5m1!1e1) that used to connect to NY300 here are closed (c. 2009-10)
NY443:
CR252 > ThaParkRd (to match the corresponding point on NY157A) or ToNY157A (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6166239,-74.0748255,3a,15y,56.52h,84.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMBs_XanTsnvsC7K69zUVNA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) (since it is not signed as Thatcher Park Rd). Either way, it is unsigned reference route NY910J (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6178121,-74.0742116,3a,15y,214.28h,84.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLJB1dHbbNyXfScO1G1nn3g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) and not a county route, so the point label should be changed.
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US 1/US 9: SStiSt>-StiSt (nonessential prefix)
US 9:
1. I think CR547_N is a no-build, but yeah, if its routing is what I think it is, makes no sense if it is going to be signed on US 9.
2. I do not see Morganville Rd at MorRd.... (EDIT: I only saw it on those signs NE2 mentioned on US 9 NB.)
3. Should there be a point added at Throckmorton Lane / Ticetown Road south of CR 516?2.
4. Should there be a point added here north of NJ 34 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4470592,-74.2997937,3a,75y,217.16h,80.59t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfZTyt9OC2j_2f3YquzPM8g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DfZTyt9OC2j_2f3YquzPM8g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D239.4278%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)?
NJ 36:
1. I would probably rename OceAve_N for the Sandy Hook Recreation Area (or whatever it is actually called).
2. NavAve_W>-NavAve?
3. GSV wants ValDr to be ValRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4034213,-74.0296519,3a,75y,104.84h,98.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM5hpX0vTgIIz9bNc7jZ89w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)....
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US 1/US 9: SStiSt>-StiSt (nonessential prefix)
US 9:
1. I do not see Morganville Rd at MorRd....
2. Should there be a point added at Throckmorton Lane / Ticetown Road south of CR 516?2.
3. Should there be a point added here north of NJ 34 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4470592,-74.2997937,3a,75y,217.16h,80.59t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfZTyt9OC2j_2f3YquzPM8g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DfZTyt9OC2j_2f3YquzPM8g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D239.4278%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)?
Assuming this is where MorRd is (I'm on my phone and can't check easily):
https://maps.app.goo.gl/o5UjfFJRXJN6TJhy8
TenRd may be better anyway as it's a longer lasting name. Or CR3 (which is signed, just not on US 9).
Yes for the interchanges.
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Onto NY and CT from last weekend's trip:
NY 52: (east to west)
1. OldRte52>-OldNY52
2. A point should be added at CR 27 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5479237,-73.8172798,3a,75y,272.91h,91.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq_2YGKQHzH7kLurYmu2Miw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu). (direct connection to I-84)
3. FisHooRd>-HookRd (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5391013,-73.8460083,3a,75y,165.62h,89.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGu0dDDPP09gw7nXe3LCHkg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
4. SMonSt>-WalSt (to avoid prefix/suffix debate)
5. LakShoDr>-LakeShoDr
6. Consider replacing the shaping point west of LakShoDr with a visible point?
7. I am unsure we have a road at OldMouRd.
8. Should we have split the difference at US 209 in Ellenville? I remember seeing the green 52 markers on both Center St and Canal St. It gives me second thoughts about how this was addressed in 2019.
9. Consider replacing the shaping point west of HacRd with a visible point.
10. Consider replacing the shaping point east of CR105 with a visible point.
11. WadRd>-WadeRd
12. WesSt>-WestSt
13. CorRd should be slightly relocated.
14. CR199>-CR149 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.805461,-74.8853508,3a,17.7y,343.26h,87.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKgLMMHApPJA0GBmxU6Ckjg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
15. BufRd>-BuffRd
NY 52 BUS (Beacon): (east to west)
1. RedSchRd>-CR36 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5214076,-73.9403151,3a,75y,316.17h,83.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH6XF9VvbWnXKOelx6nMTLg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
2. TelRd>-TelAve
NY 117:
1. There should be a point west of NY 448 for the entrance to Rockefeller State Park.
2. Consider adding a point at Grant St (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1349416,-73.7935876,3a,75y,49.62h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWxHWiOCfWrlfre81m3um-g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DWxHWiOCfWrlfre81m3um-g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D41.52446%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu).
3. SGreRd>-GreAve (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1505343,-73.7748196,3a,37.5y,286.4h,90.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1XdkQms834u8dItPFd51mQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D1XdkQms834u8dItPFd51mQ%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D227.97687%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
4. Consider replacing the shaping point north of NY120_N with a visible point. (Roaring Brook Rd seems to be the best spot.)
5. Consider adding a point at Preston Way (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2142932,-73.7202903,3a,75y,16.46h,88.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sytfn4Qjjeqp1yD8OlHhmSA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dytfn4Qjjeqp1yD8OlHhmSA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D190.71611%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu). (signed access to Saw Mill River Pkwy)
6. Consider adding a point at Green Ln (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2254107,-73.7136261,3a,75y,26.09h,89.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSS3n8CYAK_c8w2TBwf4cGg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu). (signed access to Saw Mill River Pkwy)
NY 120: Consider replacing shaping points with visible points.
NY 120A: (north to south)
1. GatLn>-KingSt_N
2. Consider making BedRd visible and possibly eliminate the nearby shaping points.
3. Consider replacing NedLn with nearby GleSt (Glenville St).
4. I would change KingSt to WilAve.
5. PeaSt>-PeaSt_S
NY 141: Consider adding a point in Hawthorne where the road turns at Elwood Ave.
NY 448: It looks like the shaping point southwest of NY 117 should be visible at the turn at Lake Rd.
US 7:
1. The line north of I-95 briefly makes it west of US 1.
2. GriMillRd>-GriMillRd_W.
3. MainAve>-MainAve_S.
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NY 52:
7. I am unsure we have a road at OldMouRd.
Looks like a trailhead/parking lot to me. Annoyingly, it appears to be in use though. If it wasn't, I would recommend moving it to nearby Cragsmoor Rd, an unsigned county route that connects to the hamlet of Cragsmoor.
8. Should we have split the difference at US 209 in Ellenville? I remember seeing the green 52 markers on both Center St and Canal St. It gives me second thoughts about how this was addressed in 2019.
This reference marker (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7098243,-74.3845042,3a,15y,35.14h,78.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQd6f0O3HqUh_oBFWuh65Dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) means that Canal St is the half of a couplet in the opposite direction of the inventory direction, hence the V in the bottom line. (See the bottom of this page (http://www.empirestateroads.com/rm/2.html), which is sourced from NYSDOT's Reference Marker Manual.) This makes sense given that NYSDOT GIS only shows NY52 on Center St, since their shapefiles only show the inventory direction of couplets. This converges with common NYSDOT practice for couplets, of which a nearby example would be US44/NY55 in Poughkeepsie.
Editing to add: I also found a NYSDOT-owned signal on Canal St at Market St and Liberty St. The sticker with the (recently phased out) NYSDOT logo says U-70 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7168336,-74.3935304,3a,15y,89.16h,84.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWYGaJFGHdEYRmk1wPpuN7A!2e0!5s20161101T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu), which makes sense since it is in Ulster County. (This is typical Region 8 practice for inventorying signals.) I would definitely conclude that NY52 officially follows both Center and Canal; the real question is if it should be treated as an average couplet (split the difference) or if there should be two separate routes since Center and Canal are both two-way streets.
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Also, the "northern" intersection of NY17B and NY52 (point NY17B_W on NY52) appears to located under the impression that New Turnpike B Rd is the third leg of a wye. However, I would make the case that it is not, since it is a 1 lane town road, and also based on this sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7149687,-74.971527,3a,39.5y,209.35h,90.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syl1BTmIY7fXdNVgMqhxe2Q!2e0!7i3328!8i1664!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu) (still there as of October '23) at the intersection of NY17B and NY52.