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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: michih on May 23, 2020, 11:44:37 am

Title: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on May 23, 2020, 11:44:37 am
Actual status of the systems:

frahdfd02 - Aisne Routes Départementales
frahdfd59 - Nord Routes Départementales
frahdfm59 - Métropole européenne de Lille Routes Métropolitaines
frahdfd60 - Oise Routes Départementales
frahdfd62 - Pas-de-Calais Routes Départementales
frahdfd80 - Somme Routes Départementales


Legend:
Black=not yet drafted (not in HB), Red=devel, Orange=preview, Green=active

Notes to routes:
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/FRA-HDF/frahdfd/README.md

Please report issues here!
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on November 07, 2020, 03:03:58 am
frahdfd02 - Aisne Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. More than 600 routes for about 3,000mi.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on November 22, 2020, 02:46:51 pm
frahdfd60 - Oise Routes Départementales will be partially in HB as in-development system with the next site update. Mostly trunk routes (orange on OSM).
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on November 27, 2020, 01:54:48 pm
Future M route system: https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2976.msg20989#msg20989

frahdfm59 - Métropole européenne de Lille Routes Métropolitaines


frahdfd59 - Nord Routes Départementales will be partially in HB as in-development system with the next site update. Mostly trunk routes (orange on OSM).
frahdfd62 - Pas-de-Calais Routes Départementales is partially in HB as in-development system. Mostly trunk routes (orange on OSM).
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 01, 2020, 12:26:11 pm
frahdfm59 - Métropole européenne de Lille Routes Métropolitaines is in preview now. 139 routes for about 460mi. It is the first TM 'M route' system in France :)
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 08, 2020, 12:08:26 pm
frahdfd59 - Nord Routes Départementales is in preview now. About 470 routes for more than 2,500mi.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 16, 2020, 04:34:34 am
frahdfd62 - Pas-de-Calais Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. About 680 routes for more than 3,000mi.

It fills this gap in the NW of France:
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 20, 2020, 04:46:14 am
frahdfd60 - Oise Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. More than 350 routes for more than 2,000mi.

That means, all systems in HDF are in preview and ready for peer-review now :)
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 20, 2020, 04:49:28 am
That means, all systems in HDF are in preview and ready for peer-review now :)
Excellent - a second region to reach that state!

Given I'm in a 3rd lockdown to protect against a new strain that they are worried about because it spread despite locking down, I'll probably be able to finish reviewing Norway and get on to these in the several weeks stuck at home.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 22, 2021, 06:48:15 am
Lower hanging fruit than Snorway, and having been distracted by down under for some time, I'm going to bash through these.

Pas-de-Calais (62) first - just as I have some (small) travels there from a couple of booze cruise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booze_cruise) family day trips back in the 90s when such a thing was all-the-rage, before the economics made it excessive for everyday consumption and the 'exoticness' of Calais stopped (in part because regular trips abroad became the norm, and because British supermarkets started stocking larger ranges).

D1, D1E1, D2 - fine

D3 - presumably D860 (RueMar/RueChaFla) and D917 (AveMarLec) are not in browser as unsigned (or at least not in that area in the case of D917). I've found a D60 sign at RueMar, which was the old pre-bypass number and that's the only number (including D3) I've seen along the route inside the newer D60 route. Suggest truncating there, unless signed, for consistency.

D4 - fine

D5, D5Her, etc - Nord in borders needs to be Nor, IIRC (see also rule on suffixes, where 4 letter ones are only allowed if its <3 letter abbrev><direction>). I won't mention it on other routes as it might get repetitive.

D5E1, D5E2, D6, D6Mar, D6E1, D6E2, D7, D7Ber, D7E1, D7E2 - fine

D7E3 - D7 -> D7/D9

D7E4, D8, D8E2

D8E4 - marked as E3 on OSM, signed as just 'E' (presumably they all are, with the number an admin thing). check number is OK.

D9, D9E1, D9E2, D9E4, D9E5, D9E6 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 22, 2021, 07:13:04 am
D10, D10E1, D10E2, D10E3, D10E4, D11, D11Sar, D11E1, D11E2, D11E3, D12, D12E1, D13, D14, D14E2, D14E4, D15 - fine

D15E2 - PdC/Nord (sic) is off where OSM has put the border. Check you have it in right place.

D15E3, D16, D16E1, D17, D18, D18E1, D19 - fine

D19Eco - what's the route between D939 and D14/D16? Needs another point at D14/D939 from what I can make out.

D19E1, D19E2, D19E3 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 22, 2021, 09:19:11 am
D15E2 - PdC/Nord (sic) is off where OSM has put the border. Check you have it in right place.

General note on departement borders - not region borders - all over France:
I located them where the administration / maintenance changes. That means where a mile post (or stone) can be found on GSV or between the blue "departement welcome signs" if they exist. Where I can find a pavement change or where a marking is on the road. Often Dxx extends a little bit to the next junction in the neighboring departement.

I didn't do that for IDF which systems are already active.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 22, 2021, 11:56:49 am
D20 - fine

D21 - D643 -> D21E2/D643?

D21E1 - fine

D21E2 - D643 -> D21/D643?

D22, D23, D23E1, D23E2, D23E, D24, D25, D25E1 - fine

D26
 - D23E1 -> D23E1_W
 - add point between N25_E and D1 for where road to N25_W intersects

D27, D27Ach, D28, D29, D29Pui - fine

D30 - change self-ref labels at D8 junctions

D31, D31E, D32, D33, D33E1, D33E3, D34, D34E1

D35 - D4 -> D4_E?

D36
 - D35_N -> D35_S
 - D917_N -> D9/D917

D36E1, D36E2, D36E3, D36E4 - fine

D37 - BlvdEur -> BlvdEur_E

D37E1, D38, D39, D39E, D39E6 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 22, 2021, 12:45:39 pm
D15E2 - PdC/Nord (sic) is off where OSM has put the border. Check you have it in right place.

General note on departement borders - not region borders - all over France:
I located them where the administration / maintenance changes. That means where a mile post (or stone) can be found on GSV or between the blue "departement welcome signs" if they exist. Where I can find a pavement change or where a marking is on the road. Often Dxx extends a little bit to the next junction in the neighboring departement.
My point wasn't that it was in the wrong place, my point was that it might be in the wrong place and that it ought to be checked. Given I'm not seeing any points that are off for junctions and the like, I'll ignore when a border point (as opposed to a junction point with a road just beyond the border, which I was ignoring) doesn't match where OSM has put the border.

D40, D40E1, D42, D42E3, D42E4, D43, D44, D44E1, D44E2, D45, D46, D46E, D47, D48, D49, D49E1, D49E2, D49E3, D49E4, D49E5 - all the 40s are fine!

D50 - fine

D50E1 - D50/D50E2 -> D50 as, IIRC, in IDF, you collapsed intersections where a route met a parent and a suffixed route to just mention the parent.

D50E2 - D50/D50E1 -> D50 as ditto. See also points like D40_W on D46, which also intersects with D40E1. Or D80_S on D59.

D51 - D937 -> D58/D937

D51E1, D52, D52E2, D53, D54, D54E1, D54E2, D55, D55E1, D55E2, D56 - fine

D57
 - D301 -> D301/D941
 - D937 -> D58/D937

D57E1, D57E2, D57E3, D58

D58E1 - D58/D58E4 -> D58

D58E2, D58E3 - fine

D58E4 - D58/D58E1 -> D58

D59, D59E2 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales (city boundary)
Post by: michih on January 23, 2021, 05:37:27 am
D3 - presumably D860 (RueMar/RueChaFla) and D917 (AveMarLec) are not in browser as unsigned (or at least not in that area in the case of D917). I've found a D60 sign at RueMar, which was the old pre-bypass number and that's the only number (including D3) I've seen along the route inside the newer D60 route. Suggest truncating there, unless signed, for consistency.

This route: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d000362&lat=50.273768&lon=2.772632&zoom=14

There is a (new) sign on March 2020 GSV from D60 inbound (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.2582397,2.7416557,3a,15y,296.5h,98.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snuYgJVdcDYIyRnhelp2XMQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). That means, your suggestion is most likely not a good approach.
The last (old) D3 sign on March 2020 GSV is where I have "RueChaFer" with outbound and inbound signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.2765908,2.7621348,3a,15y,353.24h,81.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN4NBXUnDtgQu6toFNpVJIQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Both, OSM and GM indicate D3 up to "AveMarLec" where I have the end point right now. That's also how we dealt in Belgium. However, France is not Belgium.

It is a general issue for France to figure out where the maintenance changes to local administration, and where to end the TM route.

I usually have no info about it and departements deal differently.


If a route goes through a small town and the routing is clear, I don't interrupt the route.

If the route leads into a bigger town or city with the route ending anywhere in the town, the last signs are often
- on top of the town entrance sign or
- at (one of) the first (major) junction - with a outbound sign only

If the latter is the case, I put the wp there because signposting is quite clear.

In case of the former, I put the wp to the first (major) junction assuming that they dealt similarily but the outbound sign is missing. If there is a junction to another TM route (in HB for any reason mentioned before) which is close, I extend the route to the that junction.


The question for D3 is, whether the very old signs at "RueChaFer" should count or not.
If not, the next - outbound only - sign is at "RueMar" junction" (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.2672394,2.7536601,3a,15y,103.46h,92.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJRh9s9opYUN2jSpFN_rqqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) but there is also the D60 sign you mentioned which is for the old D60 routing and outdated / incorrect sign.
This junction also features the Achicourt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achicourt) entrance sign inbound. It is a commune with 7k inhabitants. An independent commune, not belonging to the city of Arras (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arras) with a population of 41k which is likely the local authority for the maintenance within its city boundaries.
The boundary between both is here (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.2815154,2.7682351,3a,15y,54.77h,86.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2ZBmQVWfJ3ByNMZMPCvFKw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and "RueAdamHal" the next junction inbound.

Most of the other routes end at the first major junction in Arras, extend further than the ring road. The green route is D3 we are talking about.

(https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3630.0;attach=350)



Possible location for the last D3 wp:

Thoughts?

Finding a decision is also important for (many) other routes down the road...
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 23, 2021, 06:49:11 am
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4501

D8E4 - marked as E3 on OSM, signed as just 'E' (presumably they all are, with the number an admin thing). check number is OK.

E4 is indicated on the milepost (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.3668188,2.3896948,3a,15y,19.8h,76.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl99IT7BKIJdouJ5zzt9rUQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).



D19Eco - what's the route between D939 and D14/D16? Needs another point at D14/D939 from what I can make out.

It is unsigned and a concurrency with D14/D939 has no evidence since the unsigned (direct) segment might be meant to be part of D19. It looks like I just forgot splitting the route. Done now.



D50E1 - D50/D50E2 -> D50 as, IIRC, in IDF, you collapsed intersections where a route met a parent and a suffixed route to just mention the parent.
D50E2 - D50/D50E1 -> D50 as ditto. See also points like D40_W on D46, which also intersects with D40E1. Or D80_S on D59.
D58E1 - D58/D58E4 -> D58
D58E4 - D58/D58E1 -> D58

I only omit the child when the routes have different parents. D50E1 and D50E2 have the same parent - D50.

If D1 intersects D2 and D2E, the D1 point is only called D2.
If D1 intersects D1E1 and D1E2, the D1 point is called D1E1/D1E2.
If D1E1 intersects D1 and D1Es, the D1E1 point is called D1/D1E2.

The problem is that children tend to intersect their parents more than once and one might run into trouble when trying to catch the right wp. Simplicity is worse in this case.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 23, 2021, 06:57:34 am
re:D3

D60: no! There is a new inbound sign and it is far away from the city entrance I missed that sign
RueMar: Last old but not very old outbound sign at the entrance to Achicourt
RueChaFer: Old signs but in both directions Also signed here with old signs (on walls, with newer directional signage on poles) is the D5E, which isn't in the browser.
Between RueChaFer and RueAdamHal: Entrance to Arras, junction could be considered major enough
RueAdamHal: First major junction in Arras
AveMarLec: Important route in Arras and current end and according to OSM+GM An important route that isn't in the browser as that section is unsigned. You split both the D919 and D917 either side of Arras, which also applies to the D3 here (only that doesn't emerge out the other side of the city)
Fleshing this out a bit more. There seems to be an inconsistency here. I'm not that fussed where you end it, as long as it's consistent with everything else. AFAICS, from all the detail you've given, that's either RueMar or the first practical place north of RueChaFer (depending on whether you count the superceded old signs as valid, in which case add the D5E!).

I only omit the child when the routes have different parents. D50E1 and D50E2 have the same parent - D50.

If D1 intersects D2 and D2E, the D1 point is only called D2.
If D1 intersects D1E1 and D1E2, the D1 point is called D1E1/D1E2.
If D1E1 intersects D1 and D1Es, the D1E1 point is called D1/D1E2.
OK, got you.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 23, 2021, 07:11:52 am
D60, D60E1, D61, D62, D63, D63Lau - fine

D65 - add point at Rue Jean Moulin to correspond to the end of D179

D66, D67, D68, D69 - fine

D70
 - rename D70E6 (or add route if it needs adding)
 - add point in Chocques where Rue Principale turns off (links to D181 the other side of the town)

D70E1, D70E2, D70E3, D70E4, D70E5, D71, D71E1, D71E2, D71E3, D72, D72E1, D72E2, D72E3, D73, D73E2, D73E3, D74, D74E1, D74E2, D74E3, D75, D75E1, D75E2, D75E3, D76, D77, D77E1, D77E2, D77E3, D77E4, D78, D78E1, D78E2, D78E3, D79, D79E1 - all fine

D80, D80E1, D81, D81E1, D81E2, D81E3, D82, D82E1, D83, D83E1, D84, D84E1, D85, D85E1, D85E2, D85E3, D85E4, D86, D86E1, D86E2, D86E3, D86E4, D87, D88, D89, D89E1, D89E2 - all 80s fine

D90, D90E1, D90E2, D90E3, D91, D91E1, D91E2, D92, D92E1, D92E2, D93, D94, D94E1, D94E2, D94E3, D95, D95E1, D95E2, D96, D96E1, D97, D97Ber, D98 - all fine

D99
 - RueEgl - move to unsigned D100?
 - add point for road to Siracourt to match s end of signed bit of D100
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 23, 2021, 07:16:09 am
If memory serves I only did D3 as I did because OSM + GM went identically. When I compare it with the other routes into Arras, I should definitely truncate it but to where? I tend to put it to the entrance sign of Arras (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.281546&lon=2.768249) or to the first junction inbound (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.283192&lon=2.770759).
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 23, 2021, 07:20:30 am
If memory serves I only did D3 as I did because OSM + GM went identically. When I compare it with the other routes into Arras, I should definitely truncate it but to where? I tend to put it to the entrance sign of Arras (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.281546&lon=2.768249) or to the first junction inbound (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.283192&lon=2.770759).
I'd edited my OP 7 seconds before you posted this.
Fleshing this out a bit more. There seems to be an inconsistency here. I'm not that fussed where you end it, as long as it's consistent with everything else. AFAICS, from all the detail you've given, that's either RueMar or the first practical place north of RueChaFer (depending on whether you count the superceded old signs as valid, in which case add the D5E!).
"First practical place" if you go that way is either RueAdamHal or the boundary - your choice.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 23, 2021, 04:00:11 pm
Jumping to the other end (because high numbers = major routes that were formally national)

D901, D901E1, D901E2, D901E3 - fine

D916 - Bus_S -> RueSaiVen_N

D917, D917Arr, D917Car, D917Vim, D918, D919, D919Boi, D925, D928, D928Ome, D929, D930, D930Gra, D933, D933Arq, D937, D938, D938Sar, D939, D939Cam, D939Mar, D940 - fine

D940Ove - missing point for GSJ just south of AveFraMit

D940E1, D941, D941Aux, D942, D943 - fine

D943E1 - should D214/D300 refer to D943 as this is an auxiliary route of it?

D945 - D937 points should be N/S rather than east west as a better fit

D945Sai - move D176E2/M945 to the middle of roundabout

D947, D947Lor, D950, D954, D954E2, D956, D956Tor - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 24, 2021, 08:40:47 am
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4503

Fleshing this out a bit more. There seems to be an inconsistency here. I'm not that fussed where you end it, as long as it's consistent with everything else. AFAICS, from all the detail you've given, that's either RueMar or the first practical place north of RueChaFer (depending on whether you count the superceded old signs as valid, in which case add the D5E!).

I don't want to add D5E. D3 truncated to last old but not very old outbound sign at Achicourt entrance - similar to D919 just a little bit to the east.

D70
 - rename D70E6 (or add route if it needs adding)

Added.

General note for all my systems in France:
I usually check the existance of intersecting routes when drafting routes. If a wp Dxxx exists, I think that the route should exist. If the route is missing in HB, it should be added! Please report all cases.

D916 - Bus_S -> RueSaiVen_N

I didn't have a good name for Bus_N (it is just the village name) and used Bus_S to be consistent. Changed now.

D943E1 - should D214/D300 refer to D943 as this is an auxiliary route of it?

D214, D300 and D943 intersect D943E1. We discussed in the general frad thread how to label wps with more than 2 intersecting routes. Prioritizing the more important route, here D943, or going with ascending order. You just said I should be consistent and I went for the latter. I never thought about being inconsisent for parent routes. Keep as-is.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 25, 2021, 06:38:55 am
D300, D301, D302, D303, D304, D305, D306, D307, D308, D309, D317, D339 - fine

D340 - D341 -> D941

D341, D342 - fine

D343 - add point just before D841/D916 to correspond to D841 point 'RueHes'

D349, D477, D488, D841 - fine

D841Pol - RueHes -> RueHes_E

D845 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 25, 2021, 08:00:41 am
D100, D101, D102, D102E1, D102E2 - fine

D103 - add point north of Hameau de Petit Hovin to correspond with east end of D102E2

D104, D104E1, D105, D106, D107, D107E1, D108, D108E1, D109, D109E1 - fine

D110
 - add point for Rue du Presbytere where westbound traffic has to turn off.
 - D09_W -> D109_W

D110E1 - fine

D110E2 - add point RueEgl_S where it turns (matches new RuePre point on D110)

D111, D112, D113, D113Eta, D113Hes, D113E1, D113E2, D113E3, D113E4, D113E6, D114, D115, D115E2, D116, D117, D118, D118E1 - fine

D119
 - D940E1/D901 -> D901/D940E1 (numerical order)
 - D941 -> D938/D941

D119Bou - RueEdmPal -> RueEdmPal_W

D119Cal
 - RueNor_N -> RueNord_N
 - Hem_W -> RueIsl ?
 - Hem_E -> RueHem

D119E - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 26, 2021, 11:41:51 am
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4509
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 27, 2021, 12:31:03 pm
D70E6, D120, D121, D122, D122E1, D123, D123E1, D124, D125 - fine

D125E1 - CheBiaJum_N -> CheBlaJum_N

D125E2, D126, D127, D127E2, D127E3, D127E4, D127E5, D128, D128E1, D129, D129E1, D129E2, D129E3 - fine

D130 - D104/D928 -> D104/D343

D130E1, D130E2, D131 - fine

D131E3 - D156_N <-> D156_S

D132, D133, D133E1, D134, D134E1, D134E2, D134E3, D135, D135E1, D136, D136E1, D136E2, D136E2Mou, D137, D137E1, D137E2, D137E3, D138, D138E1, D138E2, D138E3, D138E4, D139, D139E1 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 27, 2021, 01:22:40 pm
D140, D141, D142, D142E1, D142E2, D142E3, D143, D143E1, D143E2, D143E3, D144, D144E1, D144E2, D144E3, D145, D146, D146E1, D146E2, D147, D147E1 - fine

D148 - D156_N <-> D156_S

D148E2, D148E5, D148E6, D149, D149E1, D149E2 - fine

D150, D151, D151E1, D152, D152E1, D153, D154, D155, D155E1, D156, D156E1, D157, D157E1, D157E3, D158, D158Enq, D158E1, D158E2, D159 - all 15xs fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 27, 2021, 02:19:11 pm
Thanks :) https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4512
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 27, 2021, 03:53:02 pm
D160, D160E1, D160E2, D161, D161E1, D161E2, D161E3, D161E4, D162, D162E1, D162E2, D163, D163Carm - fine

D163Oig - RueFus -> PdC/Nor (no intersecting route, but the route on the continuation of this route on the other side of the border)

D163E2, D164, D164E2 - fine

D165 - D58/D937 -> D937_S (D58 doesn't diverge from D165 here)

D165Meu, D165E1, D165E2, D166, D166E1, D166E2, D166E3, D167, D167E1, D167E2 - fine

D167E3 - CheRoy -> PdC/Nor

D168, D168Lav, D168E1, D168E4, D169, D170, D170E1, D171 - fine

D171Bet - turn at D941/D943 is impossible. Cut route in two, with southern section beginning at D172E2/D941. Relabel D171/D94x on D941 and D943 to not have D171 (needs doing on D941 anyway as concurrent, not divergent, around that point).

D171E2, D171E3, D172, D172E1, D172E3, D172E4, D173, D174, D174E1 - fine

D174E2 - add points RueBat_W and RueBat_E for shaping and also to link to D176 RueBat_W point and D166/D175 intersection

D175, D175Bou - fine

D176 - D945_W -> D945

D176E1, D176E2 - fine

D178
 - D845 -> D182/D845_N
 - D182/D845 -> D182/D845_S

D179
 - D179E1/D179E2 -> D179E1
 - D65 -> D65_S
 - D937 -> D937_S

D179E1, D179E2 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 27, 2021, 04:25:54 pm
D171Bet (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d017162bet&lat=50.459492&lon=2.619199&zoom=16) (or whatever the southern portion is called post-split) and D179 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d017962&lat=50.459492&lon=2.619199&zoom=16) surely interact in Barlin south of the D188? Fix.

D180, D180E1, D181, D181E1, D181E2, D181E4, D181E5, D181E6, D181E7, D181E8, D182, D182E1, D183, D183E1, D183E2, D184, D185, D185E1, D185E2 - fine

D186 - D187_N or D187_E needs to switch to _W / _S to make a pair.

D186E1 - fine

D186E2 - D341 -> D159/D341

D186E3, D186E4, D186E, D187, D187E1, D188, D188E2, D189 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 28, 2021, 01:46:12 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4513

D165 - D58/D937 -> D937_S (D58 doesn't diverge from D165 here)

It does! (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d016562&lat=50.426450&lon=2.712419&zoom=18)
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 29, 2021, 10:16:02 am
D190, D191, D191E1, D191E2, D191E4, D192, D192E1, D192E2, D193, D193E1, D194, D195, D195E1, D196, D197 - fine

D1971E1, D197E2 - D147E3/D197Ex -> D157E3/D197Ex

D198 - fine

D199 - RuePot -> RuePot_W ?
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 29, 2021, 12:27:03 pm
D199 - RuePot -> RuePot_W ?

According to which rule? Rue Pottier intersects here and that it intersects the route again doesn't matter since I don't have a wp there.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on January 29, 2021, 02:10:57 pm
According to which rule? Rue Pottier intersects here and that it intersects the route again doesn't matter since I don't have a wp there.
Diverging concurrency, surely?

If not. Then add a corresponding point where the concurrency with that road diverges (presumably at the other end of the one-way village bypass) and another point to disambiguate the route.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on January 29, 2021, 03:54:48 pm
According to which rule? Rue Pottier intersects here and that it intersects the route again doesn't matter since I don't have a wp there.
Diverging concurrency, surely?

If not. Then add a corresponding point where the concurrency with that road diverges (presumably at the other end of the one-way village bypass) and another point to disambiguate the route.

It does not diverging concurrency. That's why we don't need _W. RuePot is just fine.

https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d019962

Do I miss anything? :o

Edit: Okay, D199 meets Rue Pottiers again but there is no concurrency at RuePot wp. D199 does not turn here but goes to the church.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on February 22, 2021, 10:10:42 am
D199 does not turn here but goes to the church.
That remains not that clear
If not. Then add a corresponding point where the concurrency with that road diverges (presumably at the other end of the one-way village bypass) and another point to disambiguate the route.

Anyway, the 200s, which are the last ones left in Pas-de-Calais.

D200, D201 - fine

D202 - D204 -> D204/D215

D203, D203E1 - fine

D204 - add point for Rue de Centre (between D215 and D254) as D202 has point to the south

D204E1, D204E2, D204E4, D205, D206, D206E1, D206E2, D207, D208, D208E1, D208E2, D209, D209E1, D209E2, D210, D210E1, D210E2, D211, D211E2, D212, D212Hel, D212E1, D212E2, D213, D214, D214E1 - fine

D215
 - D231/D304 -> D231/D244
 - D204 -> D204_E
 - D202 -> D202/D204

D215Sam, D215E1, D215E2, D215E3, D215E4, D216, D216E1, D217, D217E1, D218, D218E1, D219, D219E1 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on February 22, 2021, 12:31:59 pm
D220 - fine

D221 - D221E1 add route or rename

D222 - D221E1 add route or rename

D223, D223E1, D224, D224E1, D224E2, D224E3, D225, D225E1, D225E2, D225E3, D226, D226E1, D226E2, D227, D228, D228E1, D229, D230 - fine

D231
 - D191 -> D191/D238
 - D215/D304 -> D215/D244

D231E2 - D304 -> D244/D304

D231E3, D232 - fine

D233 - RueRaoLeb -> RueRaoLeb_W

D233E1, D233E2, D233E3, D234, D235 - fine

D236 - Par -> EspGenGal (Esplande General de Gaulle is on a sign at the end of the road/access from the car park)

D237, D237E1, D237E2, D237E3, D237E4 - fine

D238 - D242E1 add route or rename

D238E1, D238E2, D238E3, D239 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on February 22, 2021, 01:39:40 pm
D199 does not turn here but goes to the church.
That remains not that clear

D199 - RuePot -> RuePot_W ?

RuePot -> RuePot_N and new wps RueHav + RuePot_W

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4572
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on February 24, 2021, 03:34:23 pm
D240, D241, D241E1, D242, D242E3, D243, D243E1, D243E2, D243E3, D243E4, D244 - fine

D244E1
 - A16(37)_E -> ToA16
 - A16(36)_W -> A16(37)

D245, D245Cal, D245E2, D246, D246E1, D247, D247E1, D247E2, D247E3, D247E4, D248, D248E1 - fine

D249 - RouAus -> RouAus_E

D249E1, D250, D251, D251E1, D252, D252E1, D253, D253E2, D254, D254E1, D254E2, D255, D257, D258, D260, D262, D266 - fine

That's Pas-de-Calais reviewed.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on February 24, 2021, 04:15:57 pm
Thanks for the review :)

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4577

I'll check NMPs and concurrencies before activation.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on February 24, 2021, 04:23:37 pm
Lille Metropolitan Routes:

M5, M5A, M5B, M5C, M6, M6Lys, M6D, M6DG, M7 - fine

M7Per - M36_N is off

M7A, M7B, M8, M9, M9Rou - fine

M14
 - add point for AveNot
 - M48_N <-> M48_S

M19, M22, M22Arm, M22B, M22C, M22D - fine

M36 - M7_S is off

M36A, M39, M39Sec, M39A, M41, M41A, M41B - fine

M48
 - RueGuyMon -> RueGuyMon_N
 - RueGeoCle -> RueGeoCle_N

M48A, M48B, M48C, M51, M54 - fine

M57 - add point for RuePreCat (links to M749 GSJ)

M62
 - M141_N -> M141_E
 - M62 -> M7

M62Sec, M63, M63Enn, M64, M64Was, M64Wil, M78, M90 - fine

M91 - add point for A22 on-ramp (labelled as 15a on A22 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.a022&lat=50.734703&lon=3.141425&zoom=15))

M91Wat - BlvdPieMenFra -> BlvdPMF or something else shorter

M93, M94 - fine

A22/E17 - move 10 / 10(A22) to Trumpet overbridge
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on February 25, 2021, 01:22:46 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4578

frahdfd62 - Pas-de-Calais Routes Départementales will be activated with the next site update.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on March 10, 2021, 04:30:44 pm
M108, M108A, M108B, M112, M112Was, M141, M141Han, M141A, M141B, M145, M145Fre, M145Hou, M145Wat, M145A, M145B, M145D, M145F, M145H, M145J, M146, M147, M147Car, M149, M162, M171, M191 - all M1xx routes fine

M206, M207, M207Hal, M207A, M207B, M208, M208A, M222, M239, M241, M257, M291 - all M2xx routes fine

M308, M341, M349, M357, M391, M422, M441, M445 - all M3xx and M4xx routes fine

M506 - M227 -> N227

M549, M617, M626, M628, M639 - fine

M641 - Add point for Rue de Canteleu (links to D167E3-62)

M651, M652, M654, M654Bon, M655 - fine

M656
 - add point '9 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.698321,3.1514777,3a,35.9y,38.99h,90.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCMqEWSMF9LdGB0oOewSmew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)' for Pont du Fresnoy (also M760 and to-be-removed D656)
 - M652 -> 7b (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.6836184,3.1325573,3a,27.6y,224.87h,90.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYCOxKEghFSm_z2MlahGO3Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
 - M64 -> 7a (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.6850914,3.134513,3a,25.4y,217.08h,88.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szZmWgAxocNuRiPM3-VbfFA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
 - M760_S -> 8 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.6892606,3.1406781,3a,22.9y,52.68h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4hWlAqfAQTftEQ12MsowDQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
 - M760/M775 -> 10 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.6992881,3.1526763,3a,23.9y,35.13h,93.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOEKzq61ecmfAm3PQSnSlPA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

M660, M660Wat, M670, M671 - fine

Don't forget Boulevard Péripherique Est de Lille (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d651), Rocade Nord Ouest, Lille (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d652) and Voie Rapide Urbane, Roubaix (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d656) will need removing on activation and AltRouteNames added to M651, M652 and M656.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on March 11, 2021, 01:42:27 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4607
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on March 17, 2021, 05:19:28 pm
M700 - fine

M749 - PontWinChu -> AveWinChu (there maybe some other labels like this where you've named it after the bridge over the main road that's named after the cross road)

M750, M751 - fine

M760 - does it run concurrent with M656? Signage suggests not, AFAICS.

M765, M770, M775, M791 - fine

M917 - AveJeanJau -> AveJeanJau_S

M917Hal, M925, M933, M941, M941Hau, M945, M945Erq, M945A, M947H, M949 - fine

M952 - add point for A25

M952Bon, M952Per, M955, M1952, M2945 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on March 18, 2021, 03:07:43 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4623

Any other comment before activation? I'll make data check, NMP check, remove routes from eursf....
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on March 19, 2021, 04:44:23 pm
frahdfm59 - Métropole européenne de Lille Routes Métropolitaines will be activated with the next site update.
Title: frahdfd59: Nord Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on October 24, 2022, 06:20:32 am
D1 - N136 -> N316

D1Dun - D601_W & RueLeonDron - one point at underpass? (also D601)

D1D, D2 - fine

D3 - Signed to end at Belgian border (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.9770818,2.6062796,3a,15y,93.76h,88.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb0ECmbV4hDSNKFVlZcoL1Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)

D3B, D4, D8, D8A, D8C, D8D - fine

D10 - N38 -> D948 (surely go with French route, not Belgian?)

D10A, D11, D11A, D11G - fine

D12 - D27/D115 -> D115? (as D27 is across the border in Ainse)

D13, D13A, D15, D16, D16A - fine

D17 - End -> ParRivAa?

D17A - fine

D18 - D948_S -> D948_E

D18A, D19, D20 - fine

D21 - add point for Ave Simone Veil (unsigned D643B) as major turning

D23, D23C, D23D, D24, D25 - fine

D25Sin - remove D35 as part of the other route

D25A, D26 - fine

D27
 - D27D is off
 - D962_E is off

D27D - D27/D962 is off

D28 - N2 -> N2/N49 (see N2/N49 comment below)

D28A, D29, D29Gou, D29B, D30, D30A, D31, D32, D33, D33B, D33C, D34, D34A, D34B, D35, D35A - fine

D37
- D948_E -> D18/D948
 - move D37A to middle of new roundabout

D37A - D37 new roundabout

D38, D39 - fine

N2/N49 - the N2 between D649_W and D28/D649 is signed as, and officially, N49 (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_49), rather than N2 (long-standing omission of mine that I hadn't seen until reviewing the D28)
Title: Re: frahdfd59: Nord Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on October 24, 2022, 11:23:11 am
D40, D40A, D40AHas, D40B, D41 - fine

D42 - add point for GSJ at Rue Jeanne III

D43, D43A, D44, D45, D46, D47, D47A, D47B, D47E, D49, D50, D50A, D50AFre, D52, D52AD, D53, D53B - fine

D54 - RueGilFacq -> Nor/PdC

D54A, D54B, D54C, D55, D55Ebb, D55B, D55D, D55E, D56, D58, D58A, D59 - fine

D60 - RueLef_E -> RueLef

D61, D61E, D62, D62Pha, D62A, D62B, D65, D66 - fine

D67 - D77 doesn't connect

D68 - fine

D69 - add a shaping point between D23_S and D946 to help distinguish route

D69A - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 24, 2022, 03:49:41 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6093

D12 - D27/D115 -> D115? (as D27 is across the border in Ainse)

I'd like to keep it as-is because it is not an official TM border. I think it's also in combination with the recent discussion about departement border labels (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3628.msg29505#msg29505).

D17 - End -> ParRivAa?

ParRivAa --> ParcRivAa


D54 - RueGilFacq -> Nor/PdC

Yep, michih, damn!
Quote
https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php#county
In the rare case of a highway ending at a county or other border, use the first three letters of the subdivision name for each side.

However, this raised the question if departement border waypoint should generally be best choise, see D12's wp. Should it rather be Nor/Ais than D27/D115 or D115?
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on October 24, 2022, 05:12:29 pm
I'd suggest, based on what you've typically done, and what I've recommended where there's been exceptions to that typical practise, that we use the following guideline (not a manual rule):

When a road ends at a local boundary (ie one that doesn't change the TM region) that is co-located with a junction then:
1. if the local boundary is not the boundary of the system limits (eg a commune boundary within a department), then treat as a regular junction rather than a boundary
2. if the local boundary is the boundary of the system limits (eg a departmental boundary for a departmental system*), then either
 a) if the junction is with another TM road that is the same side of the boundary, treat as a junction**
 b) if the junction is not, treat as a boundary

The reasoning for b) is that the most relevant information here is that it's the system reaching its limits, with possibly a different system continuing the other side of the boundary, rather than a road junction.

*We'll ignore metropole/department boundaries, as the metropole (with the exception of Lille) is part of the department.
** I'd argue that this applies to regional boundaries too - cf the D10 here. The BEL N38 label should be BEL/FRA, the D10 and D938 should refer to the other Nord Route Departmentale.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 25, 2022, 01:08:56 pm
I agree on all* but one:

The BEL N38 label should be BEL/FRA, the D10 and D938 should refer to the other Nord Route Departmentale.

D10 intersects (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d001059&lat=50.816876&lon=2.671598&zoom=16) the French D938 and the Belgian N38 at the junction. Border labels should only exist at the end or beginning of a chopped route. I drafted chopped routes differently in my early day - border labels also on a route - but fully agree for a long time now. D938 and N38 end at the junction and it is also a TM border - even an international border - and thus both labels should be FRA/BEL.

*you will face quite some labels which are not according to your best practise. Please report them :)
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on October 25, 2022, 02:43:54 pm
D10 intersects (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d001059&lat=50.816876&lon=2.671598&zoom=16) the French D938 and the Belgian N38 at the junction. Border labels should only exist at the end or beginning of a chopped route. I drafted chopped routes differently in my early day - border labels also on a route - but fully agree for a long time now. D938 and N38 end at the junction and it is also a TM border - even an international border - and thus both labels should be FRA/BEL.
That sounds fine. Though that means that one in IDF needs changing as its a region border...
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 25, 2022, 03:27:08 pm
D10 intersects (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=frahdf.d001059&lat=50.816876&lon=2.671598&zoom=16) the French D938 and the Belgian N38 at the junction. Border labels should only exist at the end or beginning of a chopped route. I drafted chopped routes differently in my early day - border labels also on a route - but fully agree for a long time now. D938 and N38 end at the junction and it is also a TM border - even an international border - and thus both labels should be FRA/BEL.
That sounds fine. Though that means that one in IDF needs changing as its a region border...

You mean this:

I did say this one, but it's not the route over the border:
D924
 - HDF/IDF -> D929
but that's as it meets D929 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=michih&r=frahdf.d000495&lat=49.163705&lon=2.294748&zoom=15) in that system and region. In fact it also meets D4 from that system, but not in that region.

I changed the label back in 2020 without any comment.... Was I craven? Or was it blind trust?

There is another wp at the BEL/LUX border (discussed on internal thread) (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=3031) which is even more difficult as LUX N31 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=lux.n031&lat=49.554547&lon=5.843927&zoom=17) has an additional border wp just 0.01mi next to it - in-between of the interchange. And BEL N872 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=bel.n872&lat=49.554562&lon=5.843959&zoom=17) ends 0.02mi next to it.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 30, 2022, 04:06:52 am
When a road ends at a local boundary (ie one that doesn't change the TM region) that is co-located with a junction then:

How to deal "when a road ends at a junction beyond the local boundary"? D19-40, D343-40 and D48-64 intersect here. It is located in departement 64:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5093987,-1.1117324,3a,81.4y,304.19h,76.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8a8zQhp2bewktlmdBnI7TQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=franaq.d004864&lat=43.510106&lon=-1.110424&zoom=16
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on October 30, 2022, 10:39:01 am
^^ How you've done it makes the most sense.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on October 30, 2022, 11:29:11 am
^^ How you've done it makes the most sense.

Can we agree on:

When a road ends at or beyond a local boundary (ie one that doesn't change the TM region) that is co-located with a junction, treat it as a regular junction rather than a boundary.

Nevertheless, I need to change the junction labels at the HDF/IDF border (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=fraidf.d092495&lat=49.164911&lon=2.285827&zoom=17):

Though that means that one in IDF needs changing as its a region border...

You mean this:

I did say this one, but it's not the route over the border:
D924
 - HDF/IDF -> D929
but that's as it meets D929 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=michih&r=frahdf.d000495&lat=49.163705&lon=2.294748&zoom=15) in that system and region. In fact it also meets D4 from that system, but not in that region.

I changed the label back in 2020 without any comment.... Was I craven? Or was it blind trust?
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on November 06, 2022, 02:17:42 pm
^^ How you've done it makes the most sense.

Can we agree on:

When a road ends at or beyond a local boundary (ie one that doesn't change the TM region) that is co-located with a junction, treat it as a regular junction rather than a boundary.

Did I get it wrong? Should I interpret the silence as consent or refusal?
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 09, 2022, 04:46:09 am
Did I get it wrong? Should I interpret the silence as consent or refusal?
Consent
Title: Re: frahdfd59: Nord Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 09, 2022, 06:16:06 am
D70 - add point for RuePoi_N to disambiguate route between RueJulFra and RueTFD?

D71, D72, D73, D74, D74A, D75, D75A, D75E, D76, D76A, D77, D79, D80 - fine

D81 - add point for RueGeoDhe (D343A) as there's a point on D343 at the other end

D81A, D82 - fine

D83 - RouBal -> RouBai

D84, D85, D86, D86A, D86B, D87 - fine

D88 - add point for Rue Jean Moulin in Avesnes-le-Sec?

D89, D90, D92, D93, D93A, D93B, D94, D94A, D95, D95A, D95D - fine

D96 - D917 -> D917_E?

D96A, D97, D97A, D97B, D97C, D98, D98B, D98C, D99 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 09, 2022, 09:46:25 am
D100 - D86B_Eng is a near miss with the D100_Eng point on D86B

D101 - RueCre -> RueCre_N

D102, D102A, D103, D103A - fine

D104 - D93 -> D83

D105 - N2 -> N2/N49

D105A, D106, D107, D109, D110, D111, D113, D113D, D114 - fine

D115 - add point for D1016 (even if not signed as such)

D115A, D116, D116Ret, D116A - fine

D117 - D117A is off

D117A - D117 is off

D118, D118A, D118B, D119 - fine

D120 - D934 -> D954

D120Aub, D120B, D120C - fine

D121 - surely a concurrency with D959 at D959_S rather than just jumping from D95 to that junction?

D121B, D122 - fine

D122Cro - D166 -> RueSai

D122A, D122C, D122D, D123, D123A, D124 - fine

D125 - RueFer -> RueFer_E

D125A, D125B, D125C, D125D, D126, D126A, D127, D127A, D128, D129 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 10, 2022, 06:21:02 am
D130, D131, D131A, D132, D132A, D132B, D132C, D133, D133B, D133C, D134, D134B, D135, D135A, D135B - fine

D136 - N2_S -> N2/N49

D136A, D137, D138, D139, D140, D140A, D140B, D142, D143, D144, D145, D145Enn, D147, D148, D148A - fine

D150, D151, D152, D153, D154, D154A, D154B, D155, D155A, D156, D157, D158, D158B, D159 - fine

D160, D160A, D160B, D161, D167, D168, D169, D169A, D169B, D170, D173, D188, D195, D195A, D195B - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 10, 2022, 07:18:01 am
D202, D203, D204, D205, D211, D213, D217, D218, D218A, D220 - fine

D220A -> D230A (rename route)

D223, D224, D225, D225N, D226, D228, D230, D232, D233, D235, D236, D238, D240, D243, D246, D247, D248, D249 - fine

D250 - add point for 'D87' (unsigned there) as leads to D50A/D87 junction

D252, D253, D254, D255, D259, D266, D266A, D267, D268, D268A, D270, D277, D280, D281, D283, D286, D288 - fine

D295 - D959/D602 -> D602/D959 (you normally do them numerical order

D297, D299 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 10, 2022, 09:46:19 am
D300, D301, D302, D304, D305, D306, D307, D310, D313, D316, D318 - fine

D320, D320A, D321, D322, D324, D325, D326, D327, D330, D335, D336, D338, D340, D343, D345, D346 - fine

D350 - D50A -> D50A/D59

D350A, D352, D354, D355, D359, D360, D368, D373, D375, D380, D381, D383, D386 - fine

D400, D402, D403, D405, D406, D413, D417, D418, D420, D422, D424 - fine

D425, D426, D427, D430, D436, D438, D440, D449, D455, D457, D468, D470 - fine

D500, D505, D517, D520, D524, D540, D549, D588 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 10, 2022, 11:16:45 am
D601, D602, D621, D625, D630, D630Onn, D636, D642 - fine

D643 - add point for D1016 (and add route?)

D644, D645 - fine

D649 - break in 2, either side of the N49?

D650, D659, D800 - fine

skip 900s for now

D1040, D1055, D1945, D2076, D2549, D2602, D2642, D2643, D2649, D2934 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfd59: Nord Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 11, 2022, 08:10:43 am
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6200

D115 - add point for D1016 (even if not signed as such)
D643 - add point for D1016 (and add route?)

D1016 is signed: https://info.lenord.fr/contournement-ouest-de-caudry--on-peut-deja-rouler-sur-la-future-rd-1016
Route and wps added.


D121 - surely a concurrency with D959 at D959_S rather than just jumping from D95 to that junction?

D121 is indicated on GM as an own route. OSM only indicates a short extension from D95 which is also confirmed by GSV at the next roundabout. The route from that roundabout to D959_S is not indicated on September 2022 GSV nor OSM and the GM route is "wild guess" as there are several (unsigned) options.
Route split into two.

D122Cro - D166 -> RueSai

D166 is signed on August 2022 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.6623806,2.7620446,3a,75y,61.71h,80.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVvu7laYPoJCAPj4DQoOkTA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Also at D945's junction (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.6575185,2.7689355,3a,75y,287.83h,86.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXOd7O5z8fqVC7y9HD6dlEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). D166-62 extended to D122.

D649 - break in 2, either side of the N49?

The routing is obvious and both "remainders" west and east of N49 are quite long - even longer than the concurrency. Keep as-is.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 12, 2022, 12:37:17 pm
D902 - fine

D916, D916A - new roundabout at their junction. Move point to centre.

D916B - fine

D917 - truncate north of D54

D917Gou, D925, D928, D930, D932, D933, D933B - fine

D934 - D936 is NMP

D934A, D935, D935A - fine

D936 - D602 -> D602/D959

D936Jen - D934 is an NMP

D938 - D158D -> RueFraHer

D939, D940 - fine

D940Loo - D601 -> D601_E

D942 - D154_E -> D154_S (or _N _> _W)

D942A, D943, D943B, D944, D945, D945Nie, D945N, D946 - fine

D947 - D37_Eec should have a better suffix than 3 letters of a town ~2km away and on the D947 rather than D37

D948 - N333 -> ToN333

D951, D953, D954, D954Ama, D954Cre, D954A, D954ACon, D954AThi, D955, D955Sol, D956, D956Lec, D957, D957A, D957B - fine

D958 - D942 -> D109/D942

D959
 - D121_E -> D121_N
 - D336A - add route as signed (including towards border (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.300896,4.1035077,3a,20y,47.8h,98.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMlcEmKmV1FvxskQKFl-vSA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en))

D960, D961, D962, D963, D964, D964Fou, D965 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfd59: Nord Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 12, 2022, 02:09:39 pm
Thanks! :)

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6204

D938 - D158D -> RueFraHer

No, add route (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.4788538,3.2441586,3a,15y,88.65h,93.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc73VtpqGyT5pIShzFjbYfw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).


I'll likely make data check and NMP check tomorrow or on Wednesday.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 15, 2022, 12:44:01 pm
The newly added routes are all fine.
Title: Re: frahdfd59: Nord Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 16, 2022, 09:48:25 am
I also had a final look into frahdfd59 Nord departement. I'm happy with it. Any further comments before activation?
Title: Re: frahdfd59: Nord Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on December 16, 2022, 12:01:02 pm
I also had a final look into frahdfd59 Nord departement. I'm happy with it. Any further comments before activation?
Nope, go for it.
Title: Re: frahdfd59: Nord Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on December 16, 2022, 12:38:21 pm
Fine :)

frahdfd59 - Nord Routes Départementales will be activated with the next site update.
Title: Re: frahdfd80: Somme Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on April 22, 2023, 09:18:14 am
Let's get Picardy reviewed, starting with Somme

D1, D1Ami, D1A, D1B, D1C, D1E, D1F, D2, D2A - fine

D3 - D21B -> RouLie

D4, D5 - fine

D6
 - D917/D937 - your convention is for the lowest numbered D roads, so D181/D917?
 - D58_E <-> D58_W

D6E, D7, D8, D8A, D8B, D8C, D8D, D8E, D8F, D9, D10E, D11, D11A, D11E, D12, D13, D14, D14E - fine

D15 - add point for road labelled on OSM as 'D345' (Aisne route a bit to the east)?

D16, D17 - fine

D18 - is D92_W in the right place

D18E, D19, D20, D20E, D21, D22, D22A, D23, D24, D25, D25E, D26, D26A, D27 - fine

D28 - D41_N -> D41_S

D29, D29A, D29B, D29C, D30, D31, D31E, D32, D32C, D32D, D34, D34B, D35, D35E, D36, D37, D38, D38A, D38E, D39, D40 - fine

D41 - add point for the road to the D250 south of Davenescourt

D42, D43 - fine

D44 - add point for Rue Principale (leads to D345-02)

D45, D45E, D46, D47, D47E, D48, D49 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on April 23, 2023, 03:07:52 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6584

D3 - D21B -> RouLie

It's D218E according to 2022 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.0441465,1.8864263,3a,15y,286.74h,88.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skJFvIO-4KZP08ygJHmiBpA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Route added.
If I indicate a route number, there should be a D route. If there isn't, I usually just missed it. I also fucked up the number here for any reason ;)

D15 - add point for road labelled on OSM as 'D345' (Aisne route a bit to the east)?

Yep, OSM is sometimes total crap as we can see here. They indicate a route being Dxxx but don't break it up at departement boundaries or any other actual end of classification.  :pan: I started reporting it anytime during my work on Francee.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on May 13, 2023, 07:02:13 am
D50, D50Mir, D51, D51E, D52 - fine

D53 - add point for Rue de Forceville (links to D53E end)

D53E - fine

D54
 - D935_S -> D920/D935
 - D23 -> D23_N

D54A - rename as D54E and add actual D54A

D55, D56, D56E - fine

D57 - add point for Ruelle du Marais (links to end of D57A)

D57A, D58, D58E, D59, D59E, D60, D60E, D61, D62, D63 - fine

D64 - D147 is different now due to construction (needs both moving and splitting in two. Also D938)

D65, D66, D67, D67A, D68, D68E, D69, D70, D70E - fine

D71 - D71A is missing

D71E, D72, D73, D74, D74Com, D74Pys, D75, D75E, D76, D77, D78, D79 - fine

D80
 - D48 -> D48/D106
 - D106 -> D106_E

D81, D82, D82E, D83 - fine

D84 - add point for RueGam (links to nearby point on D54 and D920)

D85, D86, D87, D88, D89, D90, D90A, D90E, D91, D92 - fine

D93 - D93A is missing

D94, D94A, D94B, D94C, D95, D95E, D96, D96A, D96B, D96C, D97, D98, D98A, D98E - fine

D99 - swap shaping point for visible point at Rue d'Heuzecourt (links to end of D99E)

D99A, D99E - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on May 13, 2023, 07:38:26 am
D100, D101, D102, D103, D104, D105, D106, D106E, D107, D107Lon - fine

D108 - D108E is missing

D109, D110 - fine

D110A - RueHaut -> RueFoc

D110E, D111, D111E, D112, D113, D114, D115, D115E, D116, D117, D118, D118A, D118E, D119, D120, D121 - fine

D122 - add point for road to A29 via the Villers-Bretonneux bypass?

D123 - fine

D124 - does it really extend that far into PdC?

D125, D126, D127, D128, D129, D129Bay, D130, D131, D132, D133, D134 - fine

D135, D135A, D135E, D136, D137, D138, D139, D139A, D140, D141 - fine

D142 - D142A is missing

D143, D143E, D144, D144E, D145 - fine

D146 - D146E is missing

D146A, D146B - fine

D147 - see D64

D148, D149 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on May 14, 2023, 03:12:50 am
Merci!

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6629

D108 - D108E is missing

D108A too.

D124 - does it really extend that far into PdC?

I think so, please refer to February 2023 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.1478717,2.478311,3a,90y,246.01h,63.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6nuJ49_fJ_Yl-uBe6rn5vA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on June 01, 2023, 11:03:26 am
D54E, D64Mea, D71A, D93A, D108A, D108E, D142A, D146E, D150, D151, D152 - fine

D153
 - check whether route has been truncated. GSV from Feb showing OSM's D925 route (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.1076584,1.8704158,3a,75y,125.79h,83.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8N4e1WtQaJG_pyYVAc1iXg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
 - at the very least, add point for road south to A16 exit 22

D154 - RueAncCha -> RueFourBan

D155, D156, D157, D157A, D157E, D158, D159, D160, D160E, D161 - fine
D161E, D162, D162E, D163, D163Bea, D164, D164A, D165, D166 - fine

D167 - D1 point has moved to new roundabout

D168, D169, D172, D173, D173E, D174, D175, D176, D176E, D177, D178, D179, D180, D180E, D181 - fine

D181E - RueAlzHaut -> RueAizHaut

D182, D182E, D183, D183E, D184, D185, D186, D186Cha, D187, D188, D189, D189E - fine
D190, D191, D192, D193, D194, D194E, D195, D195E, D196, D197, D198, D199, D199Per - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on June 04, 2023, 03:54:53 am
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6656

D153
 - check whether route has been truncated. GSV from Feb showing OSM's D925 route (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.1076584,1.8704158,3a,75y,125.79h,83.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8N4e1WtQaJG_pyYVAc1iXg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)

There is a new alignment of D4925 which was also renumbered to D925. I've truncated D153, extended D925 and removed D4925.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on June 19, 2023, 06:33:18 am
Most of these are short routes and so it's easy to whizz through them as I listen to Joe Root whizz his way to a nice high score

D200, D204, D208, D210, D211, D211A, D211B, D211C, D211E, D212 - fine
D213E, D214, D214E, D215E, D216, D216B, D216E, D218A, D218E - fine
D221, D221E, D222, D223, D224, D224A - fine

D224B - D938 is slightly off

D226, D227, D228, D229 - fine
D230, D231, D232, D233, D234, D235, D236, D237, D238 - fine
D240, D241, D242, D243, D244, D245, D246, D247, D248 - fine
D250, D252, D253, D254, D255, D256, D258, D259 - fine
D262, D263, D264, D265, D266, D267, D268 - fine
D315, D315Dig, D316, D329, D332, D337, D341, D354 - fine

D402, D403, D405, D406, D408, D412 - fine

D413 - D138 is slightly off

D415, D417, D423, D430, D432, D439, D441, D447, D452, D459 - fine
D463, D464, D465, D468, D469, D471, D474, D475, D476 - fine
D482, D483, D485, D496, D498 - fine
D502, D503, D503A, D508, D517, D523, D532, D574, D615, D623 - fine

D632 - D32_S -> D32/D1001

D715 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on June 19, 2023, 09:33:08 am
D901, D916, D917, D919, D919Poi, D919B, D920, D925 - fine

D925Fri - D19A is missing

D925Mer, D928, D929, D929A - fine
D930, D930A, D930B, D930C, D930D, D932, D933, D933B - fine

D934 - D28E is missing

D935 - D5135 -> D45/D5135

D936, D937, D938, D938Aut, D938Cre, D938Mez, D938A - fine

D940 - D940E is missing

D940A, D941 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on June 19, 2023, 09:51:29 am
D1001 - fine

D1001Fle - RouAmi -> RouAmi_N

D1015, D1015Mer, D1015A, D1017, D1029, D1029Poi - fine

D1235 - AveSalAll -> RuePresFor (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@49.9014074,2.2841963,3a,18.5y,280.79h,83.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSNHIDh_pVY7IdM-mUwMSpQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu)

D1901, D1925, D1930, D2930, D4029 - fine
D4109, D4119, D4127, D4129, D4135, D4145, D4151, D4164 - fine
D4176, D4186, D4188, D4221, D4224, D4935, D4937, D5127 - fine

D5135 - D935 -> D45/D935

D5186 - fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on June 27, 2023, 02:21:16 pm
I'll likely process the feedback next weekend. There are only minor issues. I guess that another look into it is not required. I think but to be sure: Have you already checked all frahdfd80 routes so that I can directly activate the system?

Feel free to start more reviews. I'll process them whenever time permits albeit I plan to be a lot on the road in the next weeks - for business and for leisure 8)
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on June 27, 2023, 04:24:54 pm
I've checked all the routes, save the missing ones. I'll check them when they are added, but other than that Somme is done.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on July 02, 2023, 02:59:33 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6690

I've checked all the routes, save the missing ones. I'll check them when they are added, but other than that Somme is done.

Great! I'll likely have a final look (data check) into it tomorrow. If you are quicker, I'll activate the system. If not, I'll do it on Thursday at the earliest.
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: si404 on July 04, 2023, 04:54:44 am
D19A, D28E, D940E - all fine
Title: Re: frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales
Post by: michih on July 07, 2023, 02:14:09 pm
Thanks :) https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6699

frahdfd80 - Somme Routes Départementales will be activated with the next site update.