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Title: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on April 13, 2019, 02:17:55 am
Sources already listed on http://travelmapping.net/credits.php
Just the designation files & shapefiles used here; this system was a quickie.

See also: Texas systems (http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2275)
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: michih on April 13, 2019, 02:47:30 am
Should we add it to http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=12 ?
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on April 13, 2019, 10:58:04 am
Done.
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: michih on September 09, 2019, 03:50:28 pm
It's already in devel status for a while. Is it incomplete, any open issue, or can it go to preview?
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on September 09, 2019, 06:21:57 pm
It can be preview. I just left it as devel cuz I already had too darn many preview systems. :)
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: michih on September 10, 2019, 01:27:33 pm
I think that's exactly the reason why we've introduced preview status. The system exists but it didn't appear on stats when it's not yet activated.
Please go ahead :)
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on September 10, 2019, 04:25:29 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3128
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: neroute2 on December 06, 2019, 05:43:44 pm
Reviewing this:

3: OldLBRd -> CR2610 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6191108,-96.1687576,3a,19.5y,81.47h,88.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4R7NjZDZenI7BvtVOawP_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656); maybe also add a point just west of here at LakeBonRA to make it clear that it doesn't end at the entrance road
4 is signed north-south (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3327173,-96.5819961,3a,47y,317.77h,86.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFsk1QKKu1sEYVV9QHdlQow!2e0!7i3328!8i1664); should it be reversed?
6: End -> SowCrePark?
7: End -> Com12 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4699237,-98.3826843,3a,15y,168.52h,80.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgMpaxqmwULrSrpnBa8KZ3Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)??
8: DeerTrl -> ChoCanSP (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.463811,-98.3553305,3a,20.6y,47.82h,84.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-rPPmdg2bbJB-Sg14bEStQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) or CalUnit; move north to the border
255: CR1053 -> CR1053/1106 (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.0555143,-93.8375793,3a,19.5y,317.84h,91.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shBilNAgdoanBThFCh7HEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
255: NFS197 -> FR196 (https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd640793.pdf)
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on December 16, 2019, 05:00:26 pm
3: OldLBRd -> CR2610 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6191108,-96.1687576,3a,19.5y,81.47h,88.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4R7NjZDZenI7BvtVOawP_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656); maybe also add a point just west of here at LakeBonRA to make it clear that it doesn't end at the entrance road
4 is signed north-south (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.3327173,-96.5819961,3a,47y,317.77h,86.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFsk1QKKu1sEYVV9QHdlQow!2e0!7i3328!8i1664); should it be reversed?
6: End -> SowCrePark?
Done.

7: End -> Com12 (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4699237,-98.3826843,3a,15y,168.52h,80.71t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgMpaxqmwULrSrpnBa8KZ3Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)??
Nah. I'm calling this an "End at a barricade" (http://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php#end) scenario.

8: DeerTrl -> ChoCanSP (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.463811,-98.3553305,3a,20.6y,47.82h,84.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-rPPmdg2bbJB-Sg14bEStQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) or CalUnit; move north to the border
Hoo boy, this is a tricky one. Shapefiles put the endpoint at this intersection, which is signed as Quail Run (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.4633105,-98.3555161,3a,15y,263.64h,90.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0_YKzkOyl0FQq9KBE4sR5w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Changed.
OTOH, the link shows a clear pavement change at the park boundary. Pan left and we can see the back/side of what may be the first SB reassurance marker.
Neither endpoint jibes with the 1.4 miles listed in the designation file (http://www.dot.state.tx.us/tpp/hwy/re/re0008.htm).
The grid map (http://www.dot.state.tx.us/apps-cg/grid_search/_includes/countymapbook/Pages/2066.pdf) is inconclusive, but the Statewide planning map shows the designation north of Quail Run, but not the park boundary.
OK, I'm convinced. QuaRun is out; ChoCanSP is in.

255: CR1053 -> CR1053/1106 (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.0555143,-93.8375793,3a,19.5y,317.84h,91.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shBilNAgdoanBThFCh7HEdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Meh, I don't like slashing together two county routes.
(Usually. If it's at an endpoint, I prefer to mention the intersecting road over the continuing road. So if that's the higher number, slashes it is.)
Nonetheless, I see that several have made their way into the state & US highways. None are in use. Getting rid of them.

255: NFS197 -> FR196 (https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd640793.pdf)
OK, I see the 196 designation on the map.
Nomenclature for these has always been a PitA for me. I've encountered, and probably also used, several variations in regions I've inherited. I thought I looked into standardizing on whatever once, but maybe not:
yakra@BiggaTomato:~/TravelMapping/yakra/HighwayData/hwy_data$ for rg in $MyRegions; do egrep '^NFS[0-9]+|^ForRd[0-9]+|^FR[0-9]+' $rg/*/*.wpt; done
TX/usatxf/tx.fm0201.wpt:FR117 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.169704&lon=-93.905672
TX/usatxre/tx.re255.wpt:NFS197 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.126554&lon=-93.664464
TX/usatx/tx.tx007.wpt:ForRd511 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.388973&lon=-95.039586
TX/usatx/tx.tx150.wpt:ForRd218 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.553637&lon=-95.082325

...and maybe any other formats I'm forgetting about?

If you think FR196 is the best style label for these, I'll standardize on that.
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: neroute2 on December 16, 2019, 08:52:45 pm
If you think FR196 is the best style label for these, I'll standardize on that.
I don't know what's best, but in any case the number is wrong.
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on December 17, 2019, 01:39:58 am
Nationwide:
4 NFS# labels, in MI, NC, TX & WA.
4 ForRd# labels, in KY, MI, TX & TX.
586 FR# labels.

FR# it is.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3408

255: NFS197 -> FR196 (https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd640793.pdf)
This looks useful; where did you find the link?
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: neroute2 on December 17, 2019, 08:07:27 am
Search Google for the name of the national forest, then look for the motor vehicle use map. I believe all national forests are required to publish them.

PS: also look for FH* and USFS*.
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: michih on December 17, 2019, 09:13:14 am
Nationwide:
4 NFS# labels, in MI, NC, TX & WA.
4 ForRd# labels, in KY, MI, TX & TX.
586 FR# labels.

FR# it is.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3408

You might report the NFSs in MI, NC and WA, and ForRd in KY and MI? Just as proposal, the hwy data manager can refuse it if there is a good reason...
And we might add to the the manual one day as 'recommended abbreviation'.
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: oscar on December 17, 2019, 09:49:54 am
Search Google for the name of the national forest, then look for the motor vehicle use map. I believe all national forests are required to publish them.

PS: also look for FH* and USFS*.

There's at least one FH_, in the ca.ca162oro file. There's an FH7 sign at that location, and elsewhere within the Mendocino National Forest.
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on December 17, 2019, 07:09:20 pm
You might report the NFSs in MI, NC and WA, and ForRd in KY and MI? Just as proposal, the hwy data manager can refuse it if there is a good reason...
And we might add to the the manual one day as 'recommended abbreviation'.
MI/usaus/mi.us002iro.wpt:NFS3940
NC/usanc/nc.nc181.wpt:NFS982
WA/usawa/wa.wa031.wpt:NFS180
KY/usaky/ky.ky3256.wpt:ForRd52
MI/usami/mi.mi028.wpt:ForRd191

I'm not gonna twist anybody's arm about it though, or point anyone to this thready who's not reading already.

PS: also look for FH* and USFS*.
For FH, there's only the one Oscar mentioned.
USFS:
AR/usaar/ar.ar007.wpt:USFS11
AR/usaar/ar.ar007.wpt:USFS36110
AR/usaar/ar.ar008.wpt:USFS38
LA/usala/la.la0117.wpt:USFS59
LA/usala/la.la0119.wpt:USFS59
LA/usala/la.la0123.wpt:USFS145
LA/usala/la.la0472.wpt:USFS145
LA/usala/la.la0488.wpt:USFS279
LA/usala/la.la0493.wpt:USFS339
MI/usami/mi.mi094.wpt:USFS2482
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on December 18, 2019, 02:30:46 am
Any other comments or review on this system?
It's a tiny one. 10 routes, 39 points.
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: michih on December 18, 2019, 03:11:00 am
Any other comments or review on this system?
It's a tiny one. 10 routes, 39 points.

Promote it to being active!
Title: Re: usatxre: Texas Recreation Roads
Post by: yakra on December 19, 2019, 01:16:03 pm
Promote it to being active!
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3426