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Title: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: si404 on February 10, 2016, 11:47:02 am
Any comments?

http://tm.teresco.org/devel/hb.php?sys=canbc (http://tm.teresco.org/devel/hb.php?sys=canbc)
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: michih on February 12, 2016, 01:41:16 pm
The "route name" and the ".list name" of BC5A is BC5 only (http://tm.teresco.org/devel/hb.php?sys=canbc).

For any reason, my log file (http://tm.teresco.org/devlogs/michih.log) has a strange entry:

Code: [Select]
Waypoint label(s) not found in line: BC BC5 177 286
I've no idea what's wrong and it's displayed correctly on the map (http://tm.teresco.org/hbtest/mapview.php?rg=BC&u=michih&db=TravelMappingDev)?!?!?
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: si404 on February 12, 2016, 01:49:16 pm
^^ Fixed
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: julmac on February 13, 2016, 04:55:07 pm
The south end of BC17 should be routed along Belleville Street, ending at the Port Angeles Ferry terminal. There is some signage from northbound BC/TC1 pointing to BC17 along Blanchard street but that should probably be considered as a connector route only since it is not possible to travel this route in the southbound direction.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on April 22, 2016, 06:59:57 pm
One of the sources cited on CHM's Sources and Links page is now a dead link, The new link is Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure,  Official Numbered Routes in British Columbia (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/transportation-reports-and-reference/numbered-routes).

Worth a quick review to make sure the endpoints we have for the canbc routes need any changes, or for any missing routes. For example, BC's official description of BC 113 disagrees with our HB's routing, with the route officially turning west toward the coast where the HB has it turning inland toward BC 37. (I might drive the route soon, and can do a field check on this.)

For logs of signs and other landmarks I used to confirm the official status of TCH 1 Business in Chase: Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, Landmark Kilometre Inventory (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/transportation-infrastructure/engineering-standards-guidelines/landmark-kilometre-inventory).

Another source I used in BC, especially on the poorly-mapped (at least at the time I revamped its route file) part of TCH 1 through Fraser Canyon north of Hope, are readings from my handheld GPS receiver. If lat and long coordinates for a waypoint both end in "0", odds are high they came from my GPS receiver (which spits out coordinates with only five digits, rather than six, after the decimal point).

I have some other notes here and there from when I compiled list file entries for BC, mostly minor stuff such as waypoint labels. I might have more after I revisit BC next month, so I'd prefer to save them until then. Biggest one: south endpoint for BC 77 should be BC97 rather than BC77.
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Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on May 28, 2016, 10:53:37 pm
For example, BC's official description of BC 113 disagrees with our HB's routing, with the route officially turning west toward the coast where the HB has it turning inland toward BC 37. (I might drive the route soon, and can do a field check on this.)

I did the field check today, but noticed that the 113 route file has been redone in the meantime. Some remaining tweaks probably needed, later.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on February 17, 2017, 11:47:06 pm
I'm reviewing the whole set, and am starting with the shortest routes. More to come.

First off, some general comments:
On to the routes under 30 miles long.

These are fine in their current form:

BC1Bus
BC17A
BC22A
BC41
BC91A
BC97Con
BC97Lia
BC97Low

Suggested changes:

BC1AVan: TranBC says that it ends at the Vancouver city boundary (on the bridge), and I don't see any signage in Vancouver. No overall mileage will be lost since the route continues as BC99; MarDr -> MarDr_E; TayWay -> TayWay_S; BurDr -> IngAve

BC2: BC/AB point is off; SwaLaRd -> SwanLakeRd (and point is off); OldEdmHwy_S off; ArdRd -> ArnRd; DayRd -> BriRidRd; 50Ave -> 50Ave_W (& point off); RolRd off; AdaRd doesn't intersect BC2 so use 7St instead; 116Ave off; BC49 off; 13St off; 17St off

BC3AKer: UppBenRd off

BC4A: ends at BC19 not BC19A per TranBC & GMSV

BC7B: BC1_E may be unnecessary per 1 point per interchange rule, but if you want to keep it call it BC7_W since it doesn't connect to BC1

BC9: N end is at EspAve per TranBC (& GMSV shows signs 2 blocks south of there); BC7_W off; TutRd -> TuyRd; WelRd -> WheRd

BC10: LanByp_W -> 56Ave_E; FraHwy signed as BC1A; 232St_S off; 72Ave off

BC11: Are both 2ndAve & 4thAve needed? Same for HazRd (if you want to keep it, then -> HazAve)

BC13: FraHwy off (and signed BC1A)

BC15: FraHwy signed as BC1A; BC1/17 off

BC17: S end is at OswSt per TranBC; ViewSt off; JohSt off; HilSt -> HilAve; are ClaAve & PieDr really necessary; add exit 15; 18 -> MarRd; KenCroRd -> 18; IslVieRd -> 19; MtNewCroRd -> 21; AmiDr off; McTavRd off & -> 26; BeaAve -> 28

BC17Ric: Fry off & ->TsaFry; BC1/15 off

BC18: the west end should be routed onto Cowichan Valley Hwy & Cowichan Lake Rd and end at roundabout (N Shore / S Shore) per TranBC; LakeCow off & -> YouRd

BC19ANan: NorDr -> JinPotRd since NorDr also intersects it at BowRd

BC21: PorRd off (& appears unnecessary); KooRvrRd off

BC22: BellPla -> 2ndSt; BC3B_E off; BinRd_W -> BinRd; BinRd_E -> WarHillRd; 15thAve -> 12thAve; 5thAve off

BC23Nak: UppArrLakeFry -> GalBayFry

BC30: End should be at Port Alice municipal boundary per TranBC (so probably north boundary?), which would eliminate NigSt; consider moving MarMai to nearby Marble River Rec Area entrance

BC31A: BC6 off; no road at 8thSt; BC31 off

BC35: both ends off

BC39: N end should be at Alberta Dr per TranBC; no road at ParEastFDR except on Google Maps

BC43: SpeHeiDr -> SpaHtsDr; did you verify CumCrkForRd on a non-Google source because I can't find one (or another name)...maybe a shaping point would serve better here

BC49: Rd215 -> 2150Rd; Rd211 -> RolRd; Rd205 -> 205Rd; Rd201 -> 201PRd (yes there's a P on the sign)

BC91: 0 -> BC99 (no exit 0 signed); 7 -> 6; 10 -> 9; add 15; 20 -> 21; 21 -> 22; 22 -> 23; ends at 23 not ShellRd

BC97B: GarLakeRd off; 20AveSE -> 20Ave; 10AveNE off

BC97D: BC97C off; PonAve off; ChaAve off; CamAve -> GolfCouDr; SurSusLakeRd -> SurLakeFSR

BC395: USA/CAN off; PonRd -> PonDr; MainSt doesn't intersect

Consider adding BC1A Abbottsford (signed with BC10 and at intersections with BC 13 & BC 15 in GMSV imagery as recent as 7/2015)

Consider adding BC7A, which is (as of GMSV in 6/2015) signed in several places along Hastings St despite (according to Wikipedia) being decommissioned a few years ago.

Consider deleting BC1AChe (I could not find any signage)

I should have a few more done by next weekend.

Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on February 18, 2017, 11:58:26 am
A few notes:

Bickendan did the first draft of canbc, which explains all the extra points. So feel free to suggest point reductions.

BC23Nak: -- agree, and similar change to the other half of BC 23

BC97Low -- LowPostAccRd => LowPostRd (this is something I knew about for awhile, but never got around to posting)

For routes you haven't yet covered:

TCH/BC 16 (Haida Gwaii) -- I re-did it, and field-checked it, only change that should be needed is to pull a new labeled waypoint out of my handheld GPS  receiver, to remove a visible distance error. Many maps show the route extending west from the Skidegate ferry terminal to Queen Charlotte, or northeast from Masset, but having driven both of those roads I'm confident those maps are wrong.

BC 27: TransBC's  route definition  in its list of numbered routes is thoroughly confusing, such as referring to an apparently non-existent cross-street. The north end now in the HB looks most consistent with signage on the ground, but you could also check the Landmark Kilometre Inventory route logs (link on the Credits and Sources page) to be sure. EDIT: The LKI indicates that BC 27 extends north of Fort St. James to the Tachie Rd./Takla Rd. intersection, north of where the HB now has it but south of where Mapnik thinks the highway ends.

If we extend BC 27 north of Fort St. James, please include a labeled waypoint at the northern junction of Stuart Lake Hwy, with Ash St., where Ash St. turns into the parking lot for a waterfront park. That was my turnaround point, and would also help with shaping.

BC 113: the turn west to Gingolx is not at the shortcut now in the HB, but one intersection north at Nass Rd. (signage is thoroughly ambiguous about where BC 113 turns west, I'm going with TransBC's official route definition).

BC 118: The Landmark Kilometre Inventory says the north end doesn't make the left turn into Granisle at McDonald Avenue, but rather continues north another 0.41 km on Babine Dr. to the Granisle marina on Babine Lake. BCTrans seems pretty good about signing turns you need to take to stay on a route, and there is no such signage at the McDonald Ave. intersection (nor is there an END sign at the marina, the pavement just ends at the unpaved marina parking lot).

Some additional stuff that can be done post-activation, and will have to wait until mid-March when hopefully I will have completely recovered from Thursday's eye surgery:
 
I have GPS coordinates to plug in to fix some visible distance errors on TCH/BC 16 (mainland portion), BC 27, BC 113, BC 118, and part of BC 97 south of Prince George.

Also, I'll want to dig through my back issues of the Milepost to figure out whether to request points for any significant realignments of BC 97 between Dawson Creek and Fort Nelson, which I last traveled in 1994 (north of Fort Nelson, I re-clinched in 2012, less likely to have major realignments since then). The Alaska Highway is constantly being straightend, which resulted in its being shortened by 60 km between 1994 and 2012.

Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on February 25, 2017, 11:35:15 am
Just one note on latest round of changes:

BC 27: DouAv/StuDr => StuDr (unlike for route numbers, only one street name per waypoint). I'm subbing in AshSt a little farther north, so this won't affect my list file.

Also, for provincial routes that are completely concurent with TCH routes (five in BC, two in AB. and several in MB, as well as others elsewhere). is it technically possible to have the csv files for the provincial routes point to the filenames for the TCH routes (such as for BC1 replacing bc.bc001 with bc.tchmai), with all future changes made only to the TCH route files? That would be a convenient way of keeping the files in synch, and avoiding duplicate route file updates.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: Jim on February 25, 2017, 03:10:34 pm
Also, for provincial routes that are completely concurent with TCH routes (five in BC, two in AB. and several in MB, as well as others elsewhere). is it technically possible to have the csv files for the provincial routes point to the filenames for the TCH routes (such as for BC1 replacing bc.bc001 with bc.tchmai), with all future changes made only to the TCH route files? That would be a convenient way of keeping the files in synch, and avoiding duplicate route file updates.

We could make a symbolic link, but I don't think that concept exists in a good form in most Windows filesystems.  Doesn't affect me, but I know some of our contributors use Windows.

A better way might be to make a new kind of CSV entry that would be an alias for another existing route.  Might not be too bad.

Either solution would require all entirely concurrent routes (that want to use such a solution) would have to have identical waypoint labels.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: yakra on February 28, 2017, 10:15:05 pm
I'm one to shy away from any changes to CSV formats unless absolutely necessary
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on February 28, 2017, 11:40:55 pm
Tweaks to BC 113: ToNassRd and ToNisHwy => VetRd_S and VetRd_N. The shortcut between those points is named Vetter Rd.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 13, 2017, 03:08:44 pm
Tweaks to BC 113: ToNassRd and ToNisHwy => VetRd_S and VetRd_N. The shortcut between those points is named Vetter Rd.

A glitch in how this was implemented in the HB:

VetRd_N => NassRd (IIRC, the original label)

ToNisHwy => VetRd_N

"ToNisHwy" is the northwest end of Vetter Rd.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on March 20, 2017, 09:38:55 pm
Review for routes 30-50 miles long:

BC3A: MarRd off; BarRd off; KeiRd off 

BC3ACre: WadRd off; CraCrkRd off; HailRd -> HallRd 

BC3B: BC3_W off; MayRd -> MannRd; CarDr -> EHwyDr; OldSalRd_W -> BluRd; OldSalRd_E -> OldSalRd 

BC8: SunVlyRd_E & _W switched; WilRd is a driveway and unnecessary; PettCrkRd -> PetCrkRd 

BC12: SnaFlaRd -> SnaFlatRd; KirFlatRd -> KirFlaRd; FouCrkRd -> FouVlyRd 

BC26: good

BC27: QuaDr -> QuaRd; AirRd -> AirRd_N; NecRd off; DouAve/StuDr -> DouAve_N or StuDr_E

BC37A: BearRivTrl -> DavSt

BC95A: MisRd off; SirRd_* -> StiRd_*; StMaryLakeRd -> StMaryRd

BC97A: OttLakeCroRd -> OttLakeXrd (also off); SmiDr -> SmiRd; SteCroRd -> SteXrd (also off); EndMabLakeRd -> CliAve

BC101Pow: Fry -> SalBayFry; RDLakeRd off; DonRd off; BackPoiRd -> BlaPoiRd (also off); DucLakRd -> DuckLakeRd; MarRd off; JoyAve off; DunSt off & WhaSt would be a better point location; FryAcc not a street nor a ferry access point (that's at Wharf St); ArbAve -> ArbAve_S; AtinAve -> AtlAve; KinAve -> KingAve; EagRd -> EagDr; FinBayRd -> FinnBayRd; LKI shows that route ends at ferry terminal   

BC118: MicBayFSR does not intersect
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 21, 2017, 05:54:04 pm
BC118: MicBayFSR does not intersect

Agreed. Suggest a replacement point at the next intersection to the south, for Marina Way (northern access to the provincial park).

One or two more point suggestions based on handheld GPS readings, to cover the long gap between BC16 and AnnsRd, may follow in a week or two, once my vision has fully recovered from eye surgery.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on March 23, 2017, 12:21:35 am
Here are routes 50-100 miles long:

BC1Van: GSJ at Burnside Rd; SheRd doesn't intersect; a point at Cobble Hill Rd would make more sense than the one at TomRd; ChrRd doesn't intersect; BC1A_S off; HudRd doesn't intersect; SpiRd -> SpiWay

BC4: AirRd off; RecRd off; TolUclHwy -> TofUclHwy; CheCrkRd off; ends @ BC19 per TranBC; consider adding points for 3 Provincial Parks (Taylor Arm, MacMillan, Little Qualicum Falls)

BC6Ver: KalRd may be off due to realignment (shown u/c on satellite images); BucRd off; ParkLn off; MonKetRec_N off; MonKetRec_S -> KeeLakeRd

BC7: KinWay -> Kin; GalWay -> GagWay; is ToBC1 necessary? (one point per interchange); 263St off; HorSt -> MurSt; DewTruRd -> DewTruRd_W; DraSt -> DewTruRd_E; HicIslTruRd -> NicIslTruRd; AthRd off

BC14: OttPoiRd -> OttPoiRd_W; ForeRd -> ForeBayRd; RedCrkMai -> ParRd_E; ends @ Port Renfrew Wharf per TranBC

BC16Hai (no imagery, so I just compared to OSM): there's nothing @ SecBeaRd; BslRockRd -> BalRockRd

BC19A: NWBayRd -> FraGullRd; BC4A -> AlbHwy; BC4 -> MemAve; HomeLakeRd -> HorLakeRd; CurRd off; AldSt -> St AnnsRd

BC24: StaLakeRd -> RaiCouRd; WayLakeFSR -> WavLakeFSR; PniCrkFSR -> PhiCrkFSR; LemCrkRd off

BC28: W end @ Nimpkish Dr in Gold River per TranBC; GolRvrRd -> GoldRvrRd; StrRd -> StrDamRd; ForLanRd off

BC33: BlyRhoRd off; TauBufLakeFSR -> TauBullLakeFSR; CamCrkFSR -> CarCrkFSR; GamRd -> GarRd

BC77: good

BC101: TranBC says it starts @ Langdale ferry, so I didn't check anything north of there; SteRd_S off; LauRd off; JoeRd off; RedRd_S off; TroLakRd -> TroLakeRd; BroRd off; Fry -> EarCoveFry
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 23, 2017, 07:16:03 am
BC16Hai (no imagery, so I just compared to OSM): there's nothing @ SecBeaRd; BslRockRd -> BalRockRd

SecBeaRd is the intersection with Second Beach Road. Mapnik shows the intersection, and zoom in enough you'll pick up the road name. Not the most major intersection in Skidegate, but it's about where a shaping point is needed anyway.

I'll take care of the other changes (maybe including plugging in a point from my GPS receiver) in this and the corresponding TCH file. I'll also look at your comments on BC1Van, which has its own corresponding TCH file, when I'm more awake.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on March 23, 2017, 08:44:16 am
SecBeaRd is the intersection with Second Beach Road. Mapnik shows the intersection, and zoom in enough you'll pick up the road name. Not the most major intersection in Skidegate, but it's about where a shaping point is needed anyway.

I zoomed in on OSM when I was doing the review, and did see the name, but didn't see a road there in the satellite imagery. That point is in the grass in front of a building. There are a couple of driveways nearby that lead to a museum, but I still don't see a road, unless that path that leads to a couple of buildings and a tank on the north side of BC16 is a road.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 23, 2017, 12:07:09 pm
SecBeaRd is the intersection with Second Beach Road. Mapnik shows the intersection, and zoom in enough you'll pick up the road name. Not the most major intersection in Skidegate, but it's about where a shaping point is needed anyway.

I zoomed in on OSM when I was doing the review, and did see the name, but didn't see a road there in the satellite imagery. That point is in the grass in front of a building. There are a couple of driveways nearby that lead to a museum, but I still don't see a road, unless that path that leads to a couple of buildings and a tank on the north side of BC16 is a road.

Gotcha. I slid that point 0.04 mile southwest to Kay Centre Rd., which works for shaping and there's less question a road is there. Once I've nailed down a GPS read I took well to the north (which might be close enough to an existing point that there's no reason to add it), I'll clone the corrected TCHHai file to BC1Hai, and get both pulled into the GitHub master.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 23, 2017, 01:11:05 pm
BC1Van: GSJ at Burnside Rd

I don't understand this item.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: si404 on March 23, 2017, 01:16:17 pm
BC1AVan: TranBC says that it ends at the Vancouver city boundary (on the bridge), and I don't see any signage in Vancouver. No overall mileage will be lost since the route continues as BC99
Wikipedia says the route was decomissioned last year.
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Consider adding BC1A Abbottsford (signed with BC10 and at intersections with BC 13 & BC 15 in GMSV imagery as recent as 7/2015)

Consider adding BC7A, which is (as of GMSV in 6/2015) signed in several places along Hastings St despite (according to Wikipedia) being decommissioned a few years ago.
I propose that we consider them signage mistakes. Although, the BC1A one seems to still exist, per the log below

This is what the log from July 2017 (http://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/driving-and-transportation/transportation-infrastructure/engineering-standards-and-guidelines/traffic-engineering-and-safety/highway-safety/lki/lki_bc_201607.pdf) says is BC1A
Code: [Select]
Highway: 1 A REPLACED TRANS-CANADA SECTIONS Page 70
Segment: 0368 RTE 1 / MT SICKER - CROFTON RD
Route: 1A Direction: N
Length: 2.30
District: 2 2-way
Distance Type Description Side
Area: 1 Effective: 2016-01-01
0.00 Z2 BEGIN SEGMENT
0.00 A5 JCTN RTE 1 / MT SICKER RD
0.00 Z1 (HEADING EASTWARD ON MT SICKER RD)
0.16 Y5 U-TURN PULLOUT W END R
0.36 G2 DRIVEWAY 2587 L
0.44 Y9 WESTHOLME SCHOOL 2558 R
0.49 Z1 HALALT 2 RESERVE WEST BOUNDARY
0.60 A1 WESTHOLME RD R
0.60 A1 CHEMAINUS RD L
0.60 Z1 (HEADING NE-WARD ON CHEMAINUS RD)
0.74 Y9 HALALT 1ST NATION RESERVOIR ETC R
0.85 Y9 SCHOOL & COMMUNITY BUILDINGS ACCESS R
0.98 A1 HALHALT RD R
1.01 Z1 CROSSWALK
1.50 S1 SIGN: 50 KM/H L
1.60 C1 R/R CROSSING 1 TRK, FL LTS
1.70 Z1 HALALT 2 RESERVE EAST BOUNDARY
1.77 D1 BARCLAY BRIDGE 6911
2.01 G2 DRIVEWAY 8317 R
2.25 G1 RESTAURANT ACCESS R
2.30 A1 JCTN CHEMAINUS RD / CROFTON RD
2.30 Z3 END OF SEGMENT
Segment: 0369 CHEMAINUS RD: CROFTON RD - HWY 1 @ LADYSMITH
Route: 1A Direction: N
Length: 15.14
District: 2 2-way
Distance Type Description Side
Areas: 1, 2 Effective: 2016-01-01
0.00 Z2 BEGIN SEGMENT
0.00 A1 CROFTON RD R
0.13 A1 SWALLOWFIELD RD R
0.45 D1 CHEMAINUS RIVER BRIDGE 1298 CENTRE
0.78 G2 DRIVEWAY 8567 R
1.17 G1 BALD EAGLE CAMPGROUND R
1.25 A1 ASHCROFT RD L
1.51 G2 FARM DRIVEWAY 8797 R
1.63 C1 R/R CROSSING 1 TRK, FL LTS
1.87 G2 GRONLUND LANE 8876-8896 L
2.13 G2 DRIVEWAYS 8954 & 8956 L
2.55 A1 HASTINGS RD L
3.01 G2 DRIVEWAY 9178 L
3.62 A1 CROZIER RD L
3.67 C1 R/R CROSSING 1 TRK, FL LTS
3.69 A1 HOWE RD R
3.81 S1 SIGN: CHEMAINUS MUNICIPALITY R
4.08 A1 YEW ST R
4.28 A1 BALSAM ST R
4.37 A1 HEMLOCK ST R
4.63 A1 HALHED RD R
4.70 A8 ENTER ROUNDABOUT
4.72 A8 BARE POINT RD R
4.73 A8 EXIT ROUNDABOUT
4.79 G6 MACMILLIAN BLODEL LOGGING RD
4.82 Z1 MAC BLO LOCOMOTIVE 1044 R
5.12 A1 RIVER RD L
5.45 A2 VICTORIA RD R
5.58 A1 MILL ST R
5.68 A1 LEGION ST R
British Columbia Landmark Kilometre Inventory
Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure / Cypher Consulting Report Date: 2017-01-05
Version: 201607
Highway: 1 A REPLACED TRANS-CANADA SECTIONS Page 71
Segment: 0369
Route: 1A Direction: N
Length: 15.14
District: 2 2-way
Distance Type Description Side
(...continued)
Areas: 1, 2 Effective: 2016-01-01
5.72 A1 CYPRESS ST R
5.81 A1 SPRUCE R
5.88 A1 ELM ST (WEST ACCESS) L
5.93 A1 CEDAR ST R
5.93 A1 ELM ST (EAST ACCESS) L
6.03 A1 FIR ST R
6.41 A8 ENTRANCE TO ROUNDABOUT
6.42 A8 OAK ST R
6.45 A8 EXIT FROM ROUNDABOUT
6.59 A1 PINE ST R
6.88 A1 HAWTHORNE ST R
7.27 A1 COOK ST B
7.54 A1 MALCOLM RD R
7.90 XA MOT SERVICE AREA 1 - 2 BOUNDARY
8.04 A1 DOGWOOD RD R
8.62 A1 HILLSIDE RD R
8.73 A1 SEACLOUD RD R
8.83 A1 WILLSHIRE RD R
8.96 A1 MAYTREE RD R
9.21 A1 KNIGHT RD R
9.69 A1 REED RD R
9.78 A1 OLD VICTORIA RD L
10.15 A1 OLSEN RD R
10.34 A1 SOUTHIN RD L
10.66 A1 SALTAIR RD L
10.86 A1 THICKE RD L
11.10 A1 MOUNTAIN VIEW RD R
11.28 A1 LOYALIST LANE L
11.49 A1 OYSTER SCHOOL RD R
11.55 A1 KNUDSEN RD L
11.79 A1 PORTER RD L
11.89 A1 RUMBLE RD R
12.04 A1 LINTON CIRCLE R
12.44 D1 DAVIS LAGOON BRIDGE 0890 CENTRE
12.53 A1 LAGOON RD R
12.70 A1 BRANKSOME RD L
12.86 A1 GAIT RD L
13.36 A1 NORTH WATTS RD L
13.62 A1 GREEN HILL DR R
13.72 A1 GLEN AVE R
14.10 A1 WOODLEY RD R
14.87 A1 TYRELL RD L
14.96 A1 GILL RD R
15.08 A1 ROLAND LANE R
15.14 A1 JCTN RTE 1A / RTE 1 AT N DAVIS RD
15.14 Z3 END OF SEGMENT
Segment: 0771 FRASER HWY: RTE 15 - RTE 10
Route: 1A Direction: E
Length: 5.23
District: 1 2-way
Distance Type Description Side
Area: 6 Effective:
0.00 A5 RTE 15 (176TH ST FRY'S CORNER)
0.00 Z2 BEGIN SEGMENT
0.10 A2 HARVIE RD L
0.81 A1 OLD YALE RD E R
1.03 A1 180TH ST L
1.05 A1 180TH ST R
British Columbia Landmark Kilometre Inventory
Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure / Cypher Consulting Report Date: 2017-01-05
Version: 201607
Highway: 1 A REPLACED TRANS-CANADA SECTIONS Page 72
Segment: 0771
Route: 1A Direction: E
Length: 5.23
District: 1 2-way
Distance Type Description Side
(...continued)
Area: 6 Effective:
1.11 A1 OLD YALE RD E R
1.48 A1 182ND ST L
1.50 A1 182ND ST R
2.08 A3 184TH ST CROSSES
2.51 A2 68 AVE L
2.90 A1 188TH ST L
2.93 A1 188TH ST R
3.84 A5 64TH AVE CROSSES
4.42 A3 194TH ST R
4.50 Z1 START 2 WAY TURN LANE L
4.73 Z1 END 2 WAY TURN LANE L
4.85 A5 ENTR TO WILLOWBROOK L
4.85 A5 196TH ST R
4.95 Z1 START 2 WAY TURN LANE L
5.12 Z1 END 2 WAY TURN LANE L
5.23 A5 JCTN RTE 10/1A (LANGLEY BYPASS)
5.23 Z3 END OF SEGMENT
Segment: 0776 FRASER HWY: RTE 10 - 208TH ST
Route: 1A Direction: E
Length: 2.64
District: 1 2-way
Distance Type Description Side
Area: 6 Effective:
0.00 A5 JCTN RTE 10/1A (LANGLEY BYPASS)
0.00 Z2 BEGIN SEGMENT
0.09 A2 ACCESS TURN LANE L
0.13 A1 LANDMARK WAY R
0.13 Z1 START 2 WAY TURN LANE L
0.28 C1 R/R CROSSING 1 TRK LIGHTS
0.35 A2 PRODUCTION WAY CROSSES
0.60 A5 200TH ST CROSSES (CARVOLTH RD)
0.71 Z1 START 2 WAY TURN LANE L
0.91 Z1 END 2 WAY TURN LANE L
1.14 A5 201A ST CROSSES
1.32 A3 203 ST CROSSES
1.50 A5 56TH AVE (NEW MCLELLAN RD) R
1.50 A5 NEW MCLELLAN RD L
1.61 A5 GLOVER RD L
1.61 A5 204TH ST R
1.86 A1 SALT LANE L
2.01 A3 206TH ST CROSSES
2.23 A1 207TH ST R
2.36 A1 208TH ST CROSSES (OLD YALE RD)
2.64 A5 208TH ST CAUSEWAY (LANGLEY BYPASS ARTERIAL)
2.64 Z3 END OF SEGMENT
Segment: 0777 FRASER HWY: 208TH ST - RTE 13
Route: 1A Direction: E
Length: 12.21
District: 1 2-way
Distance Type Description Side
Area: 6 Effective:
0.00 A5 JCTN 208TH ST CAUSEWAY (LANGLEY BYPASS)
0.00 Z2 BEGIN SEGMENT
0.42 D1 NICKOMEKL BRIDGE 7857
0.58 A2 YALE RD R
0.92 D2 CULVERT
1.76 A5 216TH ST CROSSES (JOHNSON RD)
2.77 A1 221ST ST R
British Columbia Landmark Kilometre Inventory
Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure / Cypher Consulting Report Date: 2017-01-05
Version: 201607
Highway: 1 A REPLACED TRANS-CANADA SECTIONS Page 73
Segment: 0777
Route: 1A Direction: E
Length: 12.21
District: 1 2-way
Distance Type Description Side
(...continued)
Area: 6 Effective:
3.06 A2 222ND ST R
3.42 A1 224TH ST CROSSES
3.56 A2 48TH AVE R
3.60 A2 48TH AVE L
4.32 A1 228TH ST L
5.27 A5 232ND ST CROSSES (LIVINGSTON RD)
5.76 D2 CULVERT
7.09 A5 240TH ST CROSSES (BROWN RD)
7.95 A5 244TH ST CROSSES
8.16 A1 245TH ST R
8.80 A5 248TH ST CROSSES (OTTER RD)
9.56 A1 36TH AVE R
10.50 A1 256TH ST CROSSES
11.24 A1 259A ST L
11.38 A1 260TH ST CROSSES
11.80 A1 262ND ST CROSSES
11.93 A1 262B ST R
12.21 A5 JCTN RTE 13 (264TH ST) (COUNTRY LINE RD)
12.21 Z3 END OF SEGMENT

I've done the changes suggested above, save BC1Van and BC16Hai (and BC1A Abb). And the 'one point per interchange' one on BC7: it's basically two interchanges, far apart.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: si404 on March 23, 2017, 01:19:55 pm
BC1Van: GSJ at Burnside Rd

I don't understand this item.
There is a grade-separated junction (well, overbridge and off-ramp) at Burnside Road here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/48.4574/-123.3945
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on March 23, 2017, 03:37:09 pm
BC1Van: GSJ at Burnside Rd

I don't understand this item.
Sorry, just using Si's terminology since I thought he was making the edits.

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And the 'one point per interchange' one on BC7: it's basically two interchanges, far apart.

OK. I'm never sure when to apply that rule. It looks like one exit goes to BC1 eastbound, and the other to BC1 westbound, so to me they seemed like part of a single entity that was spread out due to the unusual geography of that location.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 23, 2017, 04:15:42 pm
BC1Van: GSJ at Burnside Rd

I don't understand this item.
There is a grade-separated junction (well, overbridge and off-ramp) at Burnside Road here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/48.4574/-123.3945

Gotcha. I'm disinclined to add a point there to the TCH file, since it's less than a half-mile from the apparently more significant (signed as connector to BC 17 and BC Ferries) McKAve intersection. Plus, unlike interchanges to the northwest, it seems to have no posted exit number.

The three "doesn't intersect" points mapcat flagged look like closed intersections, except HudRd which looks like a right-in-right-out intersection via frontage roads, that I'll keep with a point tweak rather than replace it with an otherwise-needed shaping point. Since the others are not labels in use, I'll delete them, or if needed for shaping sub in a nearby actual intersection.

Other changes made, will be cloned to BC1Van and included in the pull request for TCHHai/BC16Hai once that's ready.


BC1Van: ... BC1A_S off

Point repositioned. The corresponding point in the BC 1A file will need to be synched to the new coordinates, but I'll leave that to Si since he might be working on that file as well.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 23, 2017, 10:01:58 pm
BC118: MicBayFSR does not intersect

Agreed. Suggest a replacement point at the next intersection to the south, for Marina Way (northern access to the provincial park).

One or two more point suggestions based on handheld GPS readings, to cover the long gap between BC16 and AnnsRd, may follow in a week or two, once my vision has fully recovered from eye surgery.

I've modified the BC 118 route file, to replace MicBayFSR with a new MarWay point, add (from my handheld GPS receiver) a point for Tachet Creek Rd. to cut down a long visible distance error, and tweaked the GraMar endpoint to the end of pavement (also from my GPS) which also is a closer match to what's in the Landmark Kilometre Inventory. I'll include the revised BC 118 file in my upcoming pull request, along with the revised files for TCHHai, TCHVan, and the corresponding canbc route files.

Also, for BC 27 I added a GPS waypoint for FishLakeRd, to eliminate the route's only visible distance error. And per comment above, DouAve/StuDr => DouAve_N.

EDIT: My pull request had conflicts for the BC 27 and BC 118 files. I'll submit a revised request covering only the TCH files and their canbc counterparts, and later put BC 27 and BC 118 in a separate request.

Still need to later add GPS waypoints for BC 113, BC 97 south of Prince George, and TCH/BC 16 between Prince Rupert and Smithers.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on March 25, 2017, 02:27:18 pm
Continuing with some of the longer routes, I hit a wall at BC99. 249 waypoints...can you maybe thin out the unnecessary ones (maybe half of them in Vancouver and Whistler) before I do the review? BC1, BC3, BC16, and BC97 could also use some simplifying. Thanks.

BC5A: SumCrkRd -> MisLakeRd; GuiRd -> GulRd; CanRd -> TilRd & off; BC97C -> BC97C_E; KaneValRd off; ColRd off; MonCrkRd -> MonParkRd; OldKamRd_S -> PetRd; OldKamRd_N -> OldKamRd

BC6: PedOreRd -> PendOreRd; RosLakeRd off; PorRicoYmirRd off; PlaRd doesn't connect; KreLowRd -> PasCrkRd; LinRd off; GriAve -> GriRd; BC31A off; OldCemRd -> McCorRd

BC23: Add points @ Blanket Creek Prov Park & Martha Creek PP; McBegRd -> MouBegRd; CarCrkFSR off; ends about 500m farther north per LKI

BC29: 52AAve -> RodWay; CynDr off; DorRd -> DonRd according to OSM

BC31: Add point @ Howser Station Rd; HamDr -> LauRd; OakAve off; BC31A off; CowRd off; AngRd off

BC52: BraRd -> BraRd_N according to OSM; OjayMainRd off; RedBraFSR off (also there's no evidence that this one is actually signed)

BC93: USA/CAN off; BC3 -> BC3_E; KikNewRd -> KikRd; BullRivFSRd -> GalMillRd & off; JafBayLakeRd -> JafBayLakeRd_S; JafBayLRd -> JafBayLakeRd_N; HaHaCrkRd off; MainSt -> FortSteParkRd; WasLakParRd_S & _N -> WasaLakeParkRd_S & _N; KooRivRd off; BarRd -> BraRd; PreLakeRd_S -> SheCrkRd; PreLakeRd_N -> LusRd; GraRd off; ThuHillPP -> FinCrkRd; RivDr -> RivRd_N; DryGulPP -> DryGulCamRd & off; BC95 -> BC95_N; KooNP -> SetRd

BC95: All errors on 93/95 concurrency plus USA/CAN off; BC3 -> BC3_W; YahkPP off; BruSubRd -> BraRd; KikRd -> SunRd; MoyAve -> QueAve; GreBayLakeRd -> MonLakeRd; ToHidValRd -> PeaRd; WatSt -> WatRd; RivRd -> ColRd_S; ColRd -> ColRd_N; CreRd -> ParRvrXing; 13St off; 10Ave -> 10Ave_N

BC97C: Exit numbers don't show up in GMSV so 6 -> Tre Rd; 9 -> ParVal; 22 -> BreMinRd; 41 -> SunMainRd; 53 -> ElkRd; 65 -> LoonLakeRd; BC5A -> BC5A_S; KaneValRd off; ColRd off; BC8 -> BC8_W; BarLakeRd_S -> 432Rd & off; BarLakeRd_N -> BarLakeRd; BarRd -> EvaRd; GovSt off; there's nothing at EleHillPP

BC113: HalAve off; FinLakeRd off; DouRd off; ChuAve off & OSM calls it ChuSt
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 25, 2017, 07:19:41 pm
Continuing with some of the longer routes, I hit a wall at BC99. 249 waypoints...can you maybe thin out the unnecessary ones (maybe half of them in Vancouver and Whistler) before I do the review? BC1, BC3, BC16, and BC97 could also use some simplifying. Thanks.

BC16 is an active TCH route (TCHYel) in my domain. I was planning on adding some points here and there west of Prince George, to remove/reduce visible distance errors, but also do some streamlining in the process. Please wait for me to finish that in the next few days.

BC1 is also an active TCH route. in 2012 I added a bunch of points from my GPS receiver in the then-poorly-mapped Fraser Canyon area north of Hope (tipoff is both the lat and lon coordinates end in 0). Some of those points at intersections now mapped in Mapnik might need some adjustments. As for other work on the file, I have a huge backlog of stuff (TM and otherwise) now that I'm mostly recovered from eye surgery, so I was not planning on work on that route anytime soon. I suspect the abundance of waypoints is mostly due to the route's being very long and curvy, so there may not be a lot of room for streamlining over and above what I've already done.

For BC97, I have some GPS-based point additions south of Prince George, to address visible distance errors in the part of the route that has too few rather than two many visible points. It'd be easier to let me insert those new points (and remove shaping points no longer needed after the visible point adds), before any other work is done, to avoid conflicts with me and Si working on the same file at the same time.

Ditto BC113 (my point adds would be in the northern part of the route, but I can address mapcat's suggestions), and BC27 and BC118 (just a few point adds/relocations for each).
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on March 25, 2017, 09:53:22 pm
Thanks Oscar. When you and Si are done with the routes I haven't checked yet (I believe there are 9 left), post here and I will finish the review then. My free time is about over for this weekend anyway.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: Bickendan on March 28, 2017, 02:52:32 am
Ah, BC 97. That route was quite the monster when I first drafted it.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on March 31, 2017, 07:15:31 pm
I've submitted a pair of pull requests, to do a thorough cleanup of TCH/BC 16, and more limited revisions to intersecting routes.

TCH/BC 16 adds a few points (one from my hand-held GPS receiver) to reduce or eliminate distance errors, trim unneeded shaping points, and recenter some waypoints. Also, after I made the pull request, I noticed that waypoint BC62 (decommissioned route) needs to be changed to ChuRd, which I'll take care of later. The new files aren't much slimmer than the old ones, which I had redone a few years ago. That suggests not a whole lot of potential point reductions in the similar TCH/BC 1 route files, though they could use another pass.

BC 27 and BC 118 each have one new point from my GPS receiver (TacCreRd for BC 118, FishLakeFSR for BC 27). For BC 118, GraMar was moved to end of pavement, also using GPS coordinates. I added four new points for BC 113, most from my GPS receiver: KluLakeRS, LavaLakePA, BelFalTr, and AnlRd (the last is the access road to Gitwinksihlkw village).

For BC 37, in addition to resycnhing its concurrence with BC 16, the south end in Kitmat was truncated to NalBlvd (per official route description), and BC113 => NassFSR now that we've determined BC 113 doesn't intersect BC 37. Still room for other changes elsewhere on the route.

For BC 97, I did a thorough cleanup between BC 26 and BC 16, adding new points to address distance errors. I had taken GPS coordinates along that stretch last summer for that purpose, but it turns out OSM/Mapnik improved its mapping since then, so I used OSM/Mapnik coordinates instead. The improved mapping may help address distance errors elsewhere on the route, which I traveled but didn't gather GPS coordinates, so I didn't look at those. Also, BC97A_Geo => OldCarHwy (that BC 97A was decommissioned, and I saw no BC 97A signage at that intersection), and PacAve (no intersection) replaced with ConWay.

BC 5 and BC 35 were edited only to resynch them with TCH/BC 16.

UPDATE: All the above changes are now in the HB, except the relabel of the BC62 point on TCH/BC 16, which I'l take care of next week.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on April 27, 2017, 12:08:40 am
Still lots of opportunities to delete unnecessary named waypoints from these routes...

But in the interest of moving this set along, I'll stop waiting for a response and post what I've got. Besides what's written below, and as Oscar has noted, most of these obviously still deserve a few more points in the remote areas. I suggested a few at some of the more logical places where signs were legible.

BC3: NicRivPP -> MtHopeFSR; BraBend -> SumRivRd; ECManPP_W -> CayFlaPP & off; PasValRd -> UppPasRivFSR; BroRockPP off; StePP off; AshRd -> AshRivRd & off; 7Ave -> 7Ave_E; CouAve -> CouRd; 102Ave -> StrCreRd; 62Ave off; CanRd -> MouBalRd; JohCrePP off; ThoRd off; McCarCreRd off; SilSt -> CopSt_N; KloSt off 1 block; FisCreRd -> ThiMouTr; PheRd -> PhoRd; DonDr off; BouDr -> BouRd; NurRd off; LakDr -> WLakeDr; BroRd -> ELakeDr; NamGrePP off (and unneeded if correctly located); 10thAve -> 10Ave for consistency? ; same for 33rdAve; EriSt -> EriRd; BenAve -> KitRd; eliminate KitRd (too many Kitchen and Kitchener Roads in the vicinity); KidCreRd -> KidCreFSR; ElkoGraRd -> BateAve; 8Ave -> 9Ave; SparDr -> PineAve; CorRd off

BC5: 202 off; 228 off; 231 off; JulCreRd -> 238 & off; 256 off; 355 off; 374A -> BatSt; ChiLouWy -> ChiLouWay; McLureFerRd -> McLureFryRd for consistency? ; AgaBayRd off (OSM shows realignment); PriRd ? no sign there, no name in OSM; BouMouRd off; ChuChauCPP ? nothing there; NThoRivPP off; SwaRd off; CleVilRd -> CleVilRd_N; MesStaRd -> DiaDr; FinnCrePP ? nothing there; BlueLakeFSR -> BlueRivArptRd; MainSt_S -> WhiFillRd; MainSt_N -> LosRd; TetJauCacRd -> BlaRd; JacFlaPP off

BC19: Fry_S -> DukePtFry; 5 -> DukePtIndPk (exit is unnumbered); 8 -> 7; 21 off; BayRd -> NorBayRd or NWBayRd (goes to actual Northwest Bay); + wpt @ McNairLakeFSR (per imagery; OSM shows it as ElkBayFSR); OyerRd -> SatRd; MainRd off; + wpt @ CluCamRd (to Cluxewe Resort); InlIslHwy -> DouSt; Fry_N -> BearCoveFry

BC20: No imagery exists west of PypLakeRd, so I only had OSM & the LKI to work with there. KRd -> KopRd; Fir ? nothing there; move PunSt to PunArptRd (more important and signed); + wpt @ BullCynPP; HanCanCrkRd -> BigCrkRd; TieRd -> TleRd; MelCrkRd -> ChiMelRd

BC37: OolAve off; LakLakePP off; OldLakLakeDr off; TerAir -> NeuWay; KruRd off; ClaSt off; SmiPlRd -> SmiPl; CedFryRd -> CedRd_N; CedRd -> KitWRd_W; KitRd _> KitNRd_N & off; 1Ave & 4Ave not signed that way (LKI calls both Kitwancool Access N & S, which may be what the blurry signs say); MeiLakePP -> MezLakePP; NinPP off; BobQuiLakeAir off; KinLakePP off; SitRivPP -> StiRivPP

BC99: 2A & 2B -> 2; 80St -> 23; 41 off; OakSt -> OakSt_N; GraSt -> GraSt_S; eliminate Nel/SmiSt or pick one (wpt seems completely unnecessary); BC1A/99A -> GeoSt_E; 4(BC1) off; eliminate SeaSkyHwy_S since it's only BC1's exit (past 1/99 split); SeaSkyHwy_N -> HorBayDr; TidWay -> KelGroWay; CryFalRd -> BruRd; PorRd_S -> PorRd; combine FurCreRd & WatDr (2 halves of same interchange); MainSt -> CopDr; StaChiPP off; + wpt @ CenWay missing (GSJ to Garibaldi Ests); MarRd -> MamRd; + wpt @ ChaCreFSR & RetLakeRd (both near Daisy Lake); BraFalPP off; + wpt @ CalValRd (Whistler Olympic Park access); WesRd -> AlpLakeRd; TaylWay -> TayWay; EagDr -> WhiCayDr; BlaWay -> SprGroWay; + wpt @ ScoValRd (near Shadow Lake Interpretive Forest); PorRd_N -> VineRd; OldPenFarmRd -> PenFarmRd; PemDarRd -> MainSt; + wpt @ InShuFSR (by Lillooet Lake); JofLakePP -> JofLakePP & off; DufLakePP off; FraRd -> TexCreRd; + wpt @ FouValRd (reservation N of Lillooet); PavResRd -> PavCliRd; MarCanPP off (& Cyn?); BC97 off

Still to do: BC1, BC16, and BC97.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on April 27, 2017, 11:35:24 am
Just some quick notes on BC5, from a quick skim:

For the two provincial park points with "nothing there", I've noticed in other files similar points, just placed in the vicinity of those parks rather than at an intersection. Unless I could find an intersection road where you can drive into the park or park at a trailhead, picnic area, etc. where travelers might leave the road or turn back the way they came, I've deleted those points, figuring that some parks are intended to be accessible only by canoe or other non-motorized means even though they are adjacent to the highway. For FinnCrePP, move and rename to FinCreFSR, for which OSM provides name and coordinates, and Google Maps indicates it connects to a parking lot that might be how park visitors enter on foot or by snowmobile. As partial as I am to waypoints for provincial parks, it's OK to omit or change ones like these.

For PriRd, OSM provides coordinates but not the name, and Google Maps provides the name. I would consider that adequate to put the PriRd name on the waypoint, even if there's no imagery, and especially (but not only) if the LKI identifies an intersecting road there called Price Road.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on April 27, 2017, 12:38:32 pm
For FinnCrePP, move and rename to FinCreFSR, for which OSM provides name and coordinates, and Google Maps indicates it connects to a parking lot that might be how park visitors enter on foot or by snowmobile. As partial as I am to waypoints for provincial parks, it's OK to omit or change ones like these.

Totally agree that there need to be waypoints for all provincial/national parks with highway access, preferably at an entrance marked with the park name. But since the name of the road is actually Finn Creek FSR, and not something like Finnagan, can't it remain FinnCreFSR?

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For PriRd, OSM provides coordinates but not the name, and Google Maps provides the name. I would consider that adequate to put the PriRd name on the waypoint, even if there's no imagery, and especially (but not only) if the LKI identifies an intersecting road there called Price Road.

I saw the Price Rd name in OSM too, but it was attached to a different road, not the one intersecting BC5. Although sometimes they're more accurate than OSM, Google Maps isn't immune from errors, so I'm wary of using its names for waypoints for the legal reasons we've discussed before. How badly is a waypoint needed there? Just north of there, where the road turns to the northwest, it intersects Price Rd (visible in GMSV), so IMO that would be a better place to locate this point, assuming it's of any benefit (there are other named waypoints nearby).
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on April 27, 2017, 01:17:28 pm
Totally agree that there need to be waypoints for all provincial/national parks with highway access, preferably at an entrance marked with the park name. But since the name of the road is actually Finn Creek FSR, and not something like Finnagan, can't it remain FinnCreFSR?

Yes. My bad.

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For PriRd, OSM provides coordinates but not the name, and Google Maps provides the name. I would consider that adequate to put the PriRd name on the waypoint, even if there's no imagery, and especially (but not only) if the LKI identifies an intersecting road there called Price Road.

I saw the Price Rd name in OSM too, but it was attached to a different road, not the one intersecting BC5. Although sometimes they're more accurate than OSM, Google Maps isn't immune from errors, so I'm wary of using its names for waypoints for the legal reasons we've discussed before. How badly is a waypoint needed there? Just north of there, where the road turns to the northwest, it intersects Price Rd (visible in GMSV), so IMO that would be a better place to locate this point, assuming it's of any benefit (there are other named waypoints nearby).

Seems reasonable to me, if we can live without a PriRd point. But ISTM that the "legal reasons" against taking coordinates from Google Maps (specifically, GM's "no tracing" rule) don't necessarily apply to things like intersecting road names.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: Jim on April 27, 2017, 01:37:04 pm
I've always believed that we are safe finding road names from GM, but since harvesting coordinates was more questionable, we avoid that.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: yakra on April 28, 2017, 12:14:49 am
ISTM that the "legal reasons" against taking coordinates from Google Maps (specifically, GM's "no tracing" rule) don't necessarily apply to things like intersecting road names.
I've always believed that we are safe finding road names from GM, but since harvesting coordinates was more questionable, we avoid that.
Yes, this has always been my approach.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on April 29, 2017, 09:20:55 pm
One note on YT BC97Con (which is being modified by a pull request right now, this can be addressed later):

CoalRivSprTP => (shaping point)

GMSV confirms the only thing at that location is a pullout with a "Welcome to the Yukon" sign. The latest Milepost guide to the Alaska Highway and other Arctic roads doesn't mention any access from there or anywhere else to Coal River Springs TP. The park's website (http://www.env.gov.yk.ca/camping-parks/CoalRiverSprings.php) confirms that there is no road access, there's no good way for visitors to enter the park (best way, for the really determined, is by canoe or helicopter), and that the park was established to protect geological formations rather than as a destination for visitors. So this looks like another non-intersection point placed in the vicinity of a park, that no park visitor would ever use.

A side issue, which I view as a non-problem, is that the YT/BC border might be misdefined by both Google Maps (which is what is used for the BC 97 and YT1 route files) and OSM/Mapnilk. GM tends to assume that the border follows the 60th parallel, which isn't always right due to surveying errors (as I found with the east end of NT 5, where GM placed about two miles of the highway in AB that actually was north of the signed AB/NT border). OTOH, that "Welcome to the Yukon" sign indicates OSM/Mapnik is wrong to indicate that all of BC97's Contact Creek segment is within BC. What really matters is that the entire Alaska Highway is covered by route files for BC, YT, or AK, and here consistently using the GM border definition is OK for that purpose.

Now that I'm recovered enough from eye surgery to dive into the Milepost, I might have some more comments on BC 97 north of Dawson Creek BC, including other supposed park accesses that aren't.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: si404 on April 30, 2017, 05:03:32 am
Cool.

Plus having the border at 60.00000 is not really tracing Google Maps.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: Bickendan on May 01, 2017, 04:35:51 am
Looking at OSM, there is a bit of discrepancy of the border's location and the fidelity of the vegetation mapping. It appears that the fidelity comes into sharper focus north of 60°, suggesting that the parallel is the border as the level of detail hasn't been increased south of there.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: mapcat on May 01, 2017, 04:01:05 pm
Here are BC1 and BC97. Oscar told me that he's comfortable with BC16 as-is, and may make some adjustments if he sees any needs, so I left it alone. So this concludes my review.

Both BC1 and BC97 include some lengthy multiplexes, so I have not re-checked segments I already investigated for the concurrent routes. And as before, there are long stretches in need of waypoints, a few of which are suggested below.

BC1: 1? no exit there; 33 off; why aren't 44 & 44A a single point? ; +wpt @ 49; +wpt @ 59; 144 not a named or numbered exit (just access to a power plant); 165 off; OldBC3 -> OldHopeWay; BC7 -> BC7_E; AleBriPP off; HelGateTram off (& is it point-worthy?); BendFerRd -> BosBarRd; BlueLakeRd off; SkiPP off; GolPP off; OreJackRd -> HatCrkRd; BatCreRd -> BatCreFSR; JunBeaPP off; HareRd -> SavAccRd; BucRd -> GarRd; SelRd -> GreRd; 374A -> 375; DalDr & NinPl -> 384; 386 is signed 388 in the opposite direction; 391 -> 390; 397 -> 396; PinRd -> MonPraRd & off (relocated, no exit # yet); ChaFalRd -> ShuCCRd; BenRd -> BerRd & off; VicLakePP nothing there; SumPkwy -> MeaSkyPkwy; MouCrkRd -> MouCrkFSR; WooCrkRd -> WooCrkFSR; TanRivRd -> TanRivFSR; ColForRd -> ColFSR; DonForRd -> DonFSR; DonRd off; BluSchRd -> BlaSchRd; GolViewRd off; GleCrkRd -> GleCrkFSR

BC97: 246Ave -> Rd22; 310Ave -> Rd18; 326Ave -> Rd9; 350Ave -> FaiRd; 386Ave -> SecHillRd & off; 71St -> TucDr; 9Ave -> 9Ave_E; LarAve off; ChaPkwy -> SkaLakeRd_E; EckAve -> EckAve_E; BenHillDr -> BenHillRd & off; BeaAve -> PriAve; TodRd -> ToddRd; DaiRd -> DaiDr; WestRd -> WesRd_S; PinPkwy_S &_N -> PelPkwy_S &_N; WestsRd -> WesRd_N; BarnRd -> BarRd; [BC1 changes listed above]; BigBarLakeRd -> BigBarRd & off; 70MileRd -> BonRd; HorLakRd -> HorLakeRd; ExeRd -> ExeStaRd; ForGroRd -> CanHenRd; ParkDr off; CarDr -> HicRd (or move CarDr west); TimLakRd -> TimLakeRd; CarNatPP -> WriStaRd & off; HorLikRd -> LikRd; OldRd -> MisRd; JacRd -> JacDr; WestcRd -> WesRd; RobRd off; BeaLakRd -> BeaLakeRd & off; HydRd -> QueHydRd; NorStaRd -> NStarRd; MarDr -> MofBriApp; FroSt -> FroSt_S; ThoRd -> VonLieRd; TerBlvd looks more important than nearby ConWay; NorPulRd off; ChiLakRd -> ChiLakeRd; move OldSmiLakRd (wrong name) to SalValRd; CroRivPP off; DaveMusRd -> DavMusFSR & off; KerRd -> KerLakeFSR; CarLakeFSR -> CarpLakeFSR; WhiPtPP off; CampLakeRd -> CarpLakeRd; +wpt @ Powder King Rd (ski area); +wpt @ Hasler Rd (W of Chetwynd); StuRd -> Rd208A & off; Rd237_S -> SemRd; Rd210_S &_N -> Rd221_S & _N; Rd237_N -> SweRd; Rd255For -> Rd255; 72St -> EBypRd & off; MonHwy -> Rd254; OldBC97_Nel -> OldBC97_NelS; Mile306 -> OldBC97_NelN; KleCrePP nothing there; FortHal -> SmiRivPP
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on May 01, 2017, 06:37:56 pm
Running response to comments on BC1.

no exit 1 -- agreed, and I would remove minor KeiRd point too.

44 & 44A -- the two halves of that interchange are more than 0.5 mile apart, which ordinarily warrants separate waypoints.

add exits 49 and 59 -- OK.

144 -- I'll delete if not needed for shaping (probably), or rename to WahAccRd.

Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on May 06, 2017, 01:28:54 pm
I've gone through the rest of mapcat's changes (agree, except abbreviations for Creek changed from Crk to Cre for consistency with the rest of the route set, much as I prefer Crk). I also found some waypoint additions to remove the remaining distance errors.

I've put in a pull request (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/1239) for my tweaked TCHMai and BC1 files. Also, I've updated the Datacheck FP list to clear the remaining items for BC TCH routes (but not BC 1, BC 16, or other canbc routes, which I'll leave for Si), as well as the one non-distance/angle item for the usaca set.

Once my changes are merged and the site updated, as far as I'm concerned we're good to go with activating canbc.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: Jim on May 06, 2017, 01:36:56 pm
Once my changes are merged and the site updated, as far as I'm concerned we're good to go with activating canbc.

Would you like me to switch canbc to active on the next update, or would you like one more run at preview status to make sure things look good?
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on May 06, 2017, 01:57:10 pm
Once my changes are merged and the site updated, as far as I'm concerned we're good to go with activating canbc.

Would you like me to switch canbc to active on the next update, or would you like one more run at preview status to make sure things look good?

I'm OK with that, if you're OK with Si clearing all the canbc false positives post-activation. Since this is the first time I've made changes directly to the datacheckfps.csv file (rather than e-mailing them to you), I'll want to make sure I did that right.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: oscar on May 06, 2017, 02:05:23 pm
One more thing -- I was going to move usaca from devel to preview, once canbc was activated, so I don't get in the way of that. If you feel like doing both moves at once, go ahead.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: Jim on May 06, 2017, 03:29:28 pm
One more thing -- I was going to move usaca from devel to preview, once canbc was activated, so I don't get in the way of that. If you feel like doing both moves at once, go ahead.

I have no problem with a few datachecks being cleaned up after activation.  I'll promote both of these before the site update I'm about to run.
Title: Re: canbc (British Columbia Provincial Highways)
Post by: Jim on May 06, 2017, 04:51:45 pm
canbc is now active!  I forgot the systemupdates.csv entry, but that's in now and will reflect in the next site update.  Thanks to all whose work made this possible.