system colors for tourist routes

[Jim]

I've updated tmtest to use vdeane's suggested purple color for US state highway systems, switching usaib back to TMgreen.  I think it looks good!

[vdeane]

I've updated tmtest to use vdeane's suggested purple color for US state highway systems, switching usaib back to TMgreen.  I think it looks good!

Nice.  I think I figured out why it was harder to see - needed some tweaking of the unclinched color.  I think I managed to achieve a similar balance to TM brown (I even literally compared the testing RI to regular RI and kept adjusting until it looked like it was only a different color, not darker).

https://tmtest.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?units=miles&u=vdeane&rg=RI&colors=usari:rgb(200,130,180):rgb(170,100,150)

https://tmtest.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?units=miles&u=vdeane&rg=PA&colors=usapa:rgb(200,130,180):rgb(170,100,150)

I imagine that we'll want to change Canada as well?  tmtest only has the change on US regions right now.

Actually, there might even be cause to go one step darker on the clinched:

https://tmtest.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?units=miles&u=vdeane&rg=RI&colors=usari:rgb(200,130,180):rgb(160,90,140)

[Jim]

Thanks, I think those are nice improvement.  I updated tmtest to use the "one step darker" version of TMpurple.

Let's see what some others think about the potential change, both in the color codes used for TMpurple and TMgreen and the use of the new TMpurple for state systems in the US.  I agree we'd probably make a similar change for Canada provincial routes.

[the_spui_ninja]

Looks fine to me!

[michih]

The darker TMgreen is fine to me. It seems that you only updated the system color but not the "concurrencies color". Is that on purpose?

[Jim]

The darker TMgreen is fine to me. It seems that you only updated the system color but not the "concurrencies color". Is that on purpose?

Didn't even think about that one.  I'm happy to make changes there too if that's of interest.

[michih]

The darker TMgreen is fine to me. It seems that you only updated the system color but not the "concurrencies color". Is that on purpose?

Didn't even think about that one.  I'm happy to make changes there too if that's of interest.

I've just seen that we have two green tones:

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colorCodes[5] = { name: "TMgreen", unclinched: "rgb(100,200,100)", clinched: "rgb(0,224,0)" };
colorCodes[9] = { name: "TMdarkgreen", unclinched: "rgb(61,94,77)", clinched: "rgb(24,132,70)" };
TMdarkgreen is currently not used in systems.csv. If you'd simple apply your tmtest settings for TMdarkgreen, we could change the systems.csv entries for those systems we want to change it.
37 systems do currently have TMgreen. I don't think that we need to change anything outside of the US.

[SSOWorld]

The darker TMgreen is fine to me. It seems that you only updated the system color but not the "concurrencies color". Is that on purpose?

Didn't even think about that one.  I'm happy to make changes there too if that's of interest.

I've just seen that we have two green tones:

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colorCodes[5] = { name: "TMgreen", unclinched: "rgb(100,200,100)", clinched: "rgb(0,224,0)" };
colorCodes[9] = { name: "TMdarkgreen", unclinched: "rgb(61,94,77)", clinched: "rgb(24,132,70)" };
TMdarkgreen is currently not used in systems.csv. If you'd simple apply your tmtest settings for TMdarkgreen, we could change the systems.csv entries for those systems we want to change it.
37 systems do currently have TMgreen. I don't think that we need to change anything outside of the US.

I would suggest changing primary provincial/territorial routes in Canada to stay consistent with USA.  Secondaries of both countries are yellow.  Though having not looked at Europe too much because of the density of road documentation there - I'm sure there are differences by region.

[neroute2]

If we decide on something standard, I can change Central/South America and parts of Southeast Asia to match.

[vdeane]

The darker TMgreen is fine to me. It seems that you only updated the system color but not the "concurrencies color". Is that on purpose?

Didn't even think about that one.  I'm happy to make changes there too if that's of interest.

I've just seen that we have two green tones:

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colorCodes[5] = { name: "TMgreen", unclinched: "rgb(100,200,100)", clinched: "rgb(0,224,0)" };
colorCodes[9] = { name: "TMdarkgreen", unclinched: "rgb(61,94,77)", clinched: "rgb(24,132,70)" };
TMdarkgreen is currently not used in systems.csv. If you'd simple apply your tmtest settings for TMdarkgreen, we could change the systems.csv entries for those systems we want to change it.
37 systems do currently have TMgreen. I don't think that we need to change anything outside of the US.

I mean, eure and other systems (I believe there are a couple of countries in South America that use green as well) IMO would look nicer with the newer green; something about the current green seems overly bright compared to the other colors.  Plus it looks closer to the route colors in the real world.

[michih]

I think that Europe is fine as it is. Dark green is too close to blue/teal what is tier 1/2.

[vdeane]

I think that Europe is fine as it is. Dark green is too close to blue/teal what is tier 1/2.

Personally, I think the new green is easier to see than the bright green in use on the main site now.  It's contrast with blue is fine, and while it is closer to teal, I can still easily tell them apart.

Since the new green is on tmtest even for Europe, feel free to check it out.  Italy and Russia struck me as particularly good regions to check (Russia especially as the Europe select freeways don't seem to be much more common than the American ones, so it's hard to find instances where they go near each other elsewhere).

[bejacob]

It will take a bit of getting used to the new colors if they are adopted, but being able to visually separate state routes from the usaush and the other tier 4 routes makes sense.

Curious why you didn't use the same purple that is used on the TM Railways for tier 1 ( i.e. Amtrak). Is that purple too dark when considering the higher density of state routes in any given region?

[vdeane]

It will take a bit of getting used to the new colors if they are adopted, but being able to visually separate state routes from the usaush and the other tier 4 routes makes sense.

Curious why you didn't use the same purple that is used on the TM Railways for tier 1 ( i.e. Amtrak). Is that purple too dark when considering the higher density of state routes in any given region?

From trying it out, I would say possibly (although that might be fixable by adjusting the unclinched color), but also because it's so close to the color used for alternate/business/truck US routes.  It's also the color used for Easter eggs (which I think Amtrak started as on tmrail, so it might have just stuck there).

The new colors will definitely take getting used to, agreed, but at least I can say that the more I stare at the way they currently display on tmtest, the more I like it, which is more than I can say for previous color change proposals.