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fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« on: May 23, 2020, 11:42:14 am »
Actual status of the systems:

fragesd08 - Ardennes Routes Départementales
fragesd10 - Aube Routes Départementales
fragesd51 - Marne Routes Départementales
fragesd52 - Haute-Marne Routes Départementales
fragesd54 - Meurthe-et-Moselle Routes Départementales
fragesm54 - Métropole du Grand Nancy Routes Métropolitaines
fragesd55 - Meuse Routes Départementales
fragesd57 - Moselle Routes Départementales
fragesm57 - Metz Métropole Routes Métropolitaines
fragesd6ae - Collectivité européenne d'Alsace Routes Départementales (Bas-Rhin shp files)
fragesm6ae - Eurométropole de Strasbourg Routes Métropolitaines
fragesd88 - Vosges Routes Départementales

Legend:
Black=not yet drafted (not in HB), Red=devel, Orange=preview, Green=active

Notes to routes:
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/FRA-GES/fragesd/README.md

Please report issues here!
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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2020, 05:11:07 pm »
fragesd51 - Marne Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. About 400 routes for 2,500mi.
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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2020, 01:46:03 pm »
frages.d003008: D8051A_M -> D8051A_N
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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2020, 12:31:04 pm »
frages.d805108 & frages.d098508gue: recommend a second waypoint at the roundabout, due to the way the junction is set up with multiple routes. It's sort of like one of these.
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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2020, 02:59:02 pm »
frages.d805108 & frages.d098508gue: recommend a second waypoint at the roundabout, due to the way the junction is set up with multiple routes. It's sort of like one of these.

I dealed with this as you recommend in the past but changed my mind meanwhile. The "one wp per interchange" rule applies now. Won't change!

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« Last Edit: November 27, 2020, 11:51:53 am by michih »

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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2020, 01:51:21 pm »
Future M route systems: https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2976.msg20989#msg20989

fragesm54 - Métropole du Grand Nancy Routes Métropolitaines
fragesm57 - Metz Métropole Routes Métropolitaines
fragesmXX - Eurométropole de Strasbourg Routes Métropolitaines

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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2021, 03:34:33 pm »
These might be useful for Alsacian routes with the new Collectivité (not the Metropole of Strasbourg). Basically the two departmental systems stay intact (with the removal of Strasbourg Metropole), with a couple of cross-border routes renumbered, along with any duplicates. And the D1083 is now D83. All N roads in Alsace are now downgraded (mostly D10xx).

https://www.bas-rhin.fr/webdelib/files/unzip///seance_134651/19_Annexe_Regles_de_nommage.pdf
https://www.bas-rhin.fr/webdelib/files/unzip///seance_134651/20_ANNEXE_Rapport_RenumRd_CD67.pdf
https://www.bas-rhin.fr/webdelib/files/unzip///seance_134651/21_Carte_A0_renum_renom_RNRD_CEA_2020_04_16.pdf

OSM seems to have implemented it all, including Strasbourg (which includes downgrading of the free autoroutes to voie express, albeit not yet renumbered. Ditto the N4).

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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2021, 03:51:26 pm »
Thanks! This will be useful!

Edit: I think that the systems should be called:

fragesd6ae - Collectivité européenne d'Alsace Routes Départementales
fragesm6ae - Eurométropole de Strasbourg Routes Métropolitaines


The old departement numbers were 67 + 68 and the new one is 6AE :D

All N roads in Alsace are now downgraded (mostly D10xx).

Except of N159 if I got the source right "the RN159 being granted, it will remain RN159".
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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2021, 10:59:40 am »
fragesm6ae - Eurométropole de Strasbourg Routes Métropolitaines will be in preview with the next site update. About 47 routes for 144mi.

N83Str, N353 and N2350 have been renamed to M routes.

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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2021, 11:56:29 am »
The old departement numbers were 67 + 68 and the new one is 6AE
I think they actually remain 67 and 68 - the departments weren't abolished, merely their councils were and the administrative functions given to this new body (along with some devolved from the region). I think the code, as we would see it, for the new body is actually 6A, with the E standing for 'Collectivité européenne', but I'm not sure. In 2019, Paris' commune council and department council merged into a single commune council and INSEE gave it the new authority the code 75C (C for Commune) - that hasn't translated to number plates and all that, AFAICS. Similarly some of the DOMs are governed by Regional councils after department and region merged into one council and so are officially 97xR (R for region).

We can always drop the E later, if I turn out to be right.
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Except of N159 if I got the source right "the RN159 being granted, it will remain RN159".
Not the best translation, but yes, the N159 remains untouched. AFAICS it's roughly* "NB: RN159 is a concession, it remains RN159 - the Autoroutes, concessions or not, do not get renumbered."

Basically, because it's a road that isn't run by the State, but by a semi-private company on the state's behalf (it's a tolled tunnel), it didn't move to Alsace's control, and so they have no authority to renumber it. The tolled bits of A36 and A4 ditto. They aren't renumbering the free autoroutes that they have direct control over.

*taken from the text of the map, based on the little French I have and my knowledge of French roads.

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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2021, 12:50:47 pm »
We can always drop the E later, if I turn out to be right.

Agree. Only renaming the wpt files will be annoying.


The document about downgraded N routes and the map do not mention N363 and N1083 but wikisara indicates that they have been downgraded to D1363 and D1083 from 2021-01-01.

https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_363
https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_1083

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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2021, 03:44:00 pm »
fragesd6ae - Collectivité européenne d'Alsace Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. More than 750 routes for more than 3,400mi. I still need to check the routes in Bas-Rhin with shp files.

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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2021, 07:10:42 am »
fragesm54 - Métropole du Grand Nancy Routes Métropolitaines
fragesm57 - Metz Métropole Routes Métropolitaines

First M routes appeared on OSM in the last few days. I could not find M route signs in Metz on October 2020 GSV but in Nancy :)

I should wait a little bit till the OSM update is (hopefully) complete.

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Re: fragesdXX: Grand-Est Routes Départementales
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2021, 09:52:25 am »
fragesd6ae - Collectivité européenne d'Alsace Routes Départementales will be in preview with the next site update. More than 750 routes for more than 3,400mi. I still need to check the routes in Bas-Rhin with shp files.

shp files checked and routes updated :)

see readme for notes: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/FRA-GES/fragesd/README.md