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Highway Data Discussion => Updates to Highway Data => Topic started by: michih on January 23, 2023, 01:15:20 pm
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https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/490597/post-182134311 :pan:
There is a massive transfer of roads from the autoroute & route nationale network to the departments, regions and metropolitan regions.
I assume a large-scale renumbering will also take place.
Here's the entire list: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000046949953
Apparently it was planned to transfer basically the entire route nationale network plus all non-tolled autoroutes to lower governments (some 10,300 kilometers of roads), but most departments, regions and metropolitan regions did not agree to that, so in the end ~3,000 kilometers were transferred, mostly in the east and south of France.
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This map by G.E. at Forum SARA shows the roads listed in the law text.
- Magenta = transferred to the region
- Yellow = transferred to the departments
- Cyan = transferred to the metropolitan region
- Black = remaining national road network in areas where the rest is transferred
(https://i.ibb.co/DpwXxnf/Transfert-avec-petits-bouts.png)
Transfer date(s) still unknown. I assume (https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/490597/post-182138518) (and Chris too (https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/490597/post-182139196)) that it will happen anytime in 2023.
New road numbers are unknown.
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From the order (and yes that means oddities left behind)
- Aveyron (OCC 12):
- N88 between the Lachet interchange and the A75 motorway
- Bouches-du-Rhône (PAC 13):
- A7
- A50
- A51
- A55
- A501
- A502
- A507
- A515
- A517
- A551
- A552
- A557
- N113
- N296
- N568
- N569
- N572
- N2516
- Côte-d'Or (BFC 21):
- Haute-Garonne (OCC 31):
- Gers (OCC 32):
- Isère (ARA 38):
- N85 from the limit of the Hautes-Alpes department to a point to be defined in the prefectural transfer order, and in agreement with the department, depending on the operational management constraints of the Laffrey descent
- Lot (OCC 46):
- Maine-et-Loire (PDL 49):
- Mayenne (PDL 53):
- Haute-Marne (GES 52):
- Moselle (GES 57):
- Pyrénées-Orientales (OCC 66):
- Rhône (ARA 69):
- N7 between the A89 motorway (Tarare-Ouest interchange) and the A89 motorway (Lentilly interchange)
- Haute-Saône (BFC 70):
- Seine-et-Marne (IDF 77):
- Vaucluse (PAC 84):
- Lyon (ARA 69M):
- Dijon (BFC 21M):
- Toulouse (OCC 31M):
- A620
- A621
- A623
- A624
- N124
- N224
- Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes (ARA):
- N7 between the limit of the department of Nièvre and the A89 motorway (Tarare-west interchange)
- N7 between the A46 motorway (Communay interchange) and the limit of the department of Vaucluse
- N82
- N88 between the limit of the department of Lozère and the A72 motorway
- N102
- N122 between the boundary of the Lot department and the A75 motorway
- N209
- N2102
- Grand Est (GES):
- A30
- A31
- A33
- A313
- N4
- N44
- N52 between the A30 motorway and the Belgian border
- N431
- Occitanie (OCC):
- A68
- N20
- N22
- N88 with the exception of the section located between the Lachet interchange and the A75 motorway
- N125
- N320
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Thanks, the list will help tracking the transfer :)
Did you mainly rely on the map or on the legislative text?
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Did you mainly rely on the map or on the legislative text?
Legislative text. If the map, then I'd put stuff like the N333 in (though it might have become N4, finally, just before they prat about with it)
Some (eg the N7 alongside the A89, or the autoroutes that are just ramps within an interchange) are already not part of fraa or fran.
The SARA forum (http://forum.sara-infras.fr/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=94577&start=260) has something resembling dates on it.
(https://www.cfdt-ufetam.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/3ds_calendrier.png)
via Google's tools, a translation:
4 January 2023 - Ministerial decision determining the list of motorways, roads and portions of tracks that are transferred or made available
Departments / Metropoles
Early May 2023 - Publication of prefectural decrees noting the transfer of roads and highways
During 2023 - Identification of the parts of services to be transferred in order to establish the service projects
January 2024 - Transfer of competence to departments and metropolises
Early 2024 - Transmission of agreements for the individual provision of agents
During 2024 - Publication of the Conseil d'Etat decree determining the transfer of services and beginning of the exercise of the right of option
Regions
Early September 2023 - Signing of availability agreements
1 January 2024 - Effective date of availability on the date provided for in the agreement
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Thanks! If I get it right, it's still possible that some roads might not be downgraded? I also think that nothing will happen in the field in 2023.
I'll ask on SSC....
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At first glance (and through my spotty French) this all seems to imply that we're getting a new class of regional Rnn highways, or something similar, when all this is done. Am I way off base here?
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I'm also curious about the regional routes. I asked the same on SSC (https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/490597/post-182138192). I think if anyone knows, the info should be on wikisara forum. I don't speak French at all and don't try to catch the info there ;)
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Thanks! If I get it right, it's still possible that some roads might not be downgraded?
They've actively chosen the word "transferred" rather than downgraded.
I've seen something saying that Autoroute status, and European importance (I presume both E roads and TEN-T, as they would both require effort for the French State to change above and beyond just the process to hand over roads they don't want), wouldn't be removed. Though that's not to say that certain autoroutes wouldn't be downgraded (short spurs and the like).
And there seems to be an implication on the SARA forum that (like many Outre-Mer N roads) that the National routes wouldn't require reclassifying from 'N' to 'R' when transferred to a Region (explictly a region/region-level body, rather than departmental/metropolitan). Corsica renumbered theirs as T, but didn't have to (and hasn't done a great job changing cartouches) - that was a political choice.
There's also legislation restricting the ability of a region to reduce the standards on certain non-Autoroute roads as they form a defacto part of the Autoroute network - but I don't think many of those routes have been transferred from State to Departments/Region/Metropole (one hasn't even been transferred from Department to the State as originally planned).
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The SARA forum (http://forum.sara-infras.fr/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=94577&start=260) has something resembling dates on it.
There is no update on the SARA thread since January. I'm just back from Dijon where A38 and N274 should be transferred. There are still the old signs in the field. N19 and N57 in Haute-Saône are also still signed.
Being in France, I took the opportunity to reclinched fraa system by traveling the new A79 segment north of Montmarault.
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There is no update on the SARA thread since January. I'm just back from Dijon where A38 and N274 should be transferred.
It's literally the first of May, and a public holiday - note the timeline I provided above. We weren't due to get lists of roads to be transferred until tomorrow at the earliest, and they don't transfer until next year...
Not withstanding that the existing regional routes in France (save in Corisca where they politically wanted to say they are a territory owned by France, not part of the French nation) are signed with N (and in one case A) status, and that the expectation is that the autoroutes in Marseilles will remain such despite being handed over to PACA.
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Fine. I was just looking for a good reason to write that I reclinched the Autoroute system :D
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A38 in BFC seems to be the first autoroute being transferred on 2024-01-01: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/490597/post-186594684
Future numbering is still unknown.
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Downgraded to D1004 and D1036 since 2024-01-01: https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/490597/post-186952929
Edit: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/7169