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shiggins:
R61:
+X882525: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Hopewell. (It’s P-23somethingsomething; the kilometerpost is not quite legible.)
+X881890: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Murraysburg.
+X239716: Could be replaced by a visible point labeled ToR67 at this road signed for Whittlesea.
+X108501: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Flowers Halt.
+X682836: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road leading to Ng’ala.
+X809612: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road in Ntabeni.
Cof: Should be MainSt.
ChrHani: Signed as Mthatha Bypass at N2.
Mte: Numbered as Exit 853.
Man: Should be DR8029.
+X659359: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR8152.
+X204466: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Matane.
+X843407: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR8024.
Lus: Should be MainRd_E.
Consider adding a point at this road signed for Tabankulu (between Lus and Fla), since it leads to one of only two bridges across the Mzintlava River downstream from N2.
+X562137: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR8112.
Consider adding a point at DR8020 (between R394 and Biz), since it leads to a bridge across the Mtamvuna River.
+X853006: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR8021, which leads to the last bridge across the Mtamvuna River before R61 crosses it.
R61 has been re-signed as N2 in KwaZulu-Natal, in advance of the rerouting of N2 between Port Shepstone and Mthatha along the current route of R61.
LeiBay: Should be TorAve.
R62:
+X118462: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Meulplaas, almost without moving the point.
+X813431: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Op de Tradouw.
+X774969: Could be replaced by a point at this road signed for Brandrivier.
R323: Should be R323_S. R323 appears to have been extended north to Laingsburg. Wikipedia says that R323_N should be at this road, though there are no signs mentioning R323. I did not find any signs on the rest of the route with 2023 Street View imagery, and most of the route doesn’t have imagery newer than 2010 (before the extension occurred, according to the RDDA), so the only sign evidence we have of the R323 extension is one sign at its new northern terminus at N1 in Laingsburg.
Lad: Should be SouSt_W. Also, this point appears to have been badly affected by drift and should be recentered.
Zoar: Should be HoofSt.
Consider adding a point at this road leading to the Seweweekspoort mountain pass, which is a major route heading to Laingsburg and is marked as a tourist route.
+X555571: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Matjiesvlei.
+X423141: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR1688.
R62 leaves the red lines on the waypoint editor between Haa_E and Mis.
Kra: Should be DR1823.
Jou: Should be DR1811 or KriSt.
TweeRiv: Should be MN50159.
R63:
+X137692: Could be replaced by a point at this road signed for Koppieskraal.
+X920526: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road previously signed for Grootpaardekloof.
+X977291: Could be replaced by a visible point at PO2996, which is the main access road for Meerkat National Park.
Mel: Should be MelWold.
+X739831: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Wagenaarskraal.
Mur: Should be KerkSt.
+X380374: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Sneeuberg.
+X298771: Could be replaced by a visible point at P2398.
Consider adding a point here, at the main entrance to Camdeboo National Park.
+X135466: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Petersburg.
+X999142: Could be replaced by a visible point at MR412.
SomEast: Should be NojSt_E or WorSt_N.
+X116509: Could be replaced by a visible point at MR642, which is signed as a way to get to N10 northbound.
+X607021: Could be replaced by a visible point at MR641.
+X696882: Could be replaced by a visible point at MN10046.
+X821284: Could be replaced by a visible point at this street signed for Egolfini.
+X695722: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Ngqele without moving the point.
N2_W: R63 has been realigned to the west here. (OSM does not have the new alignment yet.)
R346: Should be R346_S.
ToR346: Should be BufSt_N or CatSt_E. This also affects the N2 point.
+X981635: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Frankfort.

shiggins:
R64:
TreSt: Should be GroSt.
Dea: Should be BraSt_E.
+X858838: Could be replaced by a visible point at S448.
+X856244: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Florisbad (allegedly S262, according to OSM).
+X363475: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for New Tempe Airport (allegedly S1066, according to OSM).
R65:
You could break up a 45.38-mile stretch no visible points between N17 and R33 with a point at this road signed for Jericho Dam.
+X300334: Could be replaced by a visible point at the nearby intersection where R65 turns. The point could be called ToR33.
R66:
+X155345: Could be replaced by a visible point at D429.
+X318634: Could be replaced by a visible point at P298.
+X267392: Could be replaced by a visible point at D1897.
Mel: This point is not at an intersection. It could be moved two blocks south to Victoria Street or two blocks north to Downing Street.
+X831674: Could be replaced by a visible point at D255.
+X978612: Could be replaced by a visible point at D477.
+X339477: Could be replaced by a visible point at P323.
R67:
Consider adding a point at this road. The point could be labeled ToR61.
+X687518: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR12729.
+X325613: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Brakkloof.
R351: Wikipedia, OSM, and Google Maps say that R351 has a short concurrency with R67 south to here and then intersects R67 again here. The RDDA says that R351 only exists east of Whittlesea. As far as I can tell (there is very little Street View along the route.) R351 is only signed here, on a single sign at N6.
+X970047: Could be replaced by a visible point at MR649.
Sey: Should be MR703.
+X897684: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR2702.
You could break up a 41.12-mile stretch with no visible points by adding one at DR2055.
+X893987: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR2039.
BeaSt: Should be MR486 or RagRd.
+X378171: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR2024.
+X795796: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road previously signed for Shaw Park.
R68:
Gle: Should be BigSt.
+X921750: Could be replaced by a visible point at D471.
+X896032: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for the Isandlwana and Rorke’s Drift battlefields (allegedly P372 according to OSM).
P163, P164, P504, and P503: OSM has a hyphen between the second and third numbers of these roads (e.g., P16-3).
+X324668: Could be replaced by a visible point at P227.
R69:
We have the wrong western terminus for R69. It is signed turning left onto the bypass around Vryheid and was also signed along the bypass at R34 (before all the signs at that intersection disappeared). A sign at P34-4 confirms that R69 does not go into Vryheid.
P344: OSM has a hyphen between the second and third number of this road.
+X270351: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Hlobane (allegedly P268/P274, according to OSM).
+X662503: Could be replaced by s visible point at D29.

shiggins:
R70:
We might have the wrong northwestern terminus of R70. Wikipedia says R70 ends at the roundabout on Church Street in Odendaalsrus, but the signs at that roundabout don’t mention R70, only R34. Signs at the southeastern end of the concurrency we have in TM have R70 only going southeast, and there are no signs for R70 at the interchange with R30. However, the RDDA and OSM have the route currently in TM.
M3: Should be M3_S. M3 runs concurrently with R70 into Odendaalsrus.
HenAir: The Henneman Airstrip no longer exists. You could rename this point Pho.
VooSt: Should be HamSt.
+X910687: Could be replaced by a visible point at S1287.
+X349762: Could be replaced by a visible point at S473.
Ros: Should be GenFickSt.
+X186961: Could be replaced by a visible point at S457.
R71:
DropSt: Should be DorpSt.
+X602922: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Cheerio (allegedly D882 according to OSM).
AgaSt: Agatha Street has an underpass under R71. You could move this point west to Danie Joubert Street.
TzaAir: This road does not lead to the Tzaneen Airport. It is signed for Taganashoek and is D2355 according to OSM.
CalNgoRd: Should be CalNgoDr.
R72:
+X566520: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Springmount.
Rie: This point is too far east.
Sea: Should be WelCt.
FishRivMou: Should be DR2093.
Wes: This road has been realigned. The point should be moved here and renamed DR7028/DR7486.
+X162688: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR7495.
Bell: Should be MR522.
+X241853: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Jojweni.
R347: Has been downgraded to M25.
M25: Should be M25_S.
MilRd: Should be M18_W . . . maybe? Wikipedia says M18’s western terminus is the R72/R346 junction (which is signed as M5) and its eastern terminus is here (which is signed as M18). However, just across the bridge from the eastern terminus, there’s a shield with M18 in parentheses, and there were previously shields for M18 at the intersection of Dr. Zahn Road and Military Road saying that M18 both went west along Military Road and east into West Bank. There’s an M18 shield in West Bank at the corner of Bank Street and Strand Street pointing northwest along Bank, and there used to be another pointing southwest along Strand. M18 is also signed north from the western roundabout on M20 toward EastLonAir, despite there being no possible connection from that roundabout to the rest of M18 without a lengthy concurrency with R72 or a route that takes M18 through a gated industrial park.
R73:
M4: Should be M4_W.
ZRManHwy_N and ZRManHwy_S: Should be R730_N and R730_S.
Missing a point at M4_E between ZRManHwy_N and ZRManHwy_S.
RivDr: Should be RivSideDr.
+X800227: Could be replaced by a visible point at S484.
+X444484: Could be replaced by a visible point at S481.
R74:
R74 leaves the red lines on the waypoint editor between +X449861 and +X107444.
+X765615: Could be replaced by a visible point at D117.
+X697589: Could be replaced by a visible point at L2515.
+X770595: Could be replaced by a visible point at D110.
+X872127: Could be replaced by a visible point at D1540.
EbrDr: Should be ManDr.
R75:
+X774666: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR7367 (I think).
R75 leaves the red lines on the waypoint editor between R337_W and +X137546. This could be fixed by replacing +X137546 with a visible point at DR1879.
+X635424: Could be replaced by a visible point at DR1866.
Kle: Should be DR1849/MN50423.
M16: Should be SpoRd. I could not find any signs for M16 anywhere along OSM’s route, and Wikipedia doesn’t list an M16 in Gqeberha.
R76 only has points at the other routes already in TM which it intersects, and it goes way outside the red lines on the waypoint editor. There’s so much work that needs to be done on R76 that it’s not worth peer reviewing it yet.

shiggins:
R80:
N4: Numbered as exit 272, albeit using N4’s exit numbering.
R81:
+X290965: Could be replaced by a visible point at D4019.
R81 leaves the red lines on the waypoint editor between Dik and Mun.
+X511491: Could be replaced by a visible point at this road signed for Mooifontein.
D3206: OSM says this is D11.
Giy: Should be MainRd.
D4/D10: OSM only has D4/D10. The only “name” signed at the intersection is “Southern Entrance.”
R82:
M68: Numbered as exit 1. This implies that M1 continues south to M68 and R82 begins here, not at N12, since exit numbers throughout Gauteng count up from the south. The southbound overhead sign at N12 has R82 in parentheses, contradicting what we currently have in TM.
ConAve: Should be ConRd.
R554: Should be R554_N.
R550: Should be R550/R554.
Missing a point at R550_S.
R557_W: Is not R557. Should be AloeRidDr.
R558: Should be R557_W.
Vil: Should be AscVaalRd.
This road signed for Wolwehoek and Heilbron may meet the bare minimum definition of an interchange.

This concludes my peer review (except for R76, which is not in a review-worthy state yet).

If you’ve been reading these posts as I’ve been posting them, please note that I belatedly noticed several omissions and errors in my peer review, and I have gone back and added to or modified some of my posts. I have marked these modifications with the word Edit in bold or with a strikethrough.

I did not make a comment everywhere I could not verify using GSV that a point name was correct. This departed from Duke87’s methodology reviewing zafn, but – given the often bad and worsening state of signage in many areas of South Africa – I do not think that a lack of signage for many D roads, P roads, S roads, etc., necessarily indicates that leaving these roads unsigned is intentional. I came across many, many instances where these roads were signed c. 2010 and unsigned c. 2023, and several long stretches of highway in Eastern Cape, KwaZulu-Natal, and Limpopo where new signs had been installed at all the DR roads, D roads, P roads, L roads, etc., where there had been a complete absence of signage in 2010.

si404:
Thanks for this.

I dealt with every point you made and implemented the vast majority of them. The ones I didn't were ones where you weren't sure either!

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/commit/0ade05fbd9cb4485f701038a2b4be776c5750a27


Also, while looking at the routes, and the handful of the points raised (and the exit numbers), it might be useful to implement a split into regions.

ZAF-EC (Eastern Cape)
ZAF-FS (Free State)
ZAF-GP (Gauteng)
ZAF-KZN (KwaZulu-Natal
ZAF-LP (Limpopo)
ZAF-MP (Mpumalanga)
ZAF-NW (North-West)
ZAF-NC (Northern Cape)
ZAF-WC (Western Cape)

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