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Highway Data Discussion => Updates to Highway Data => Topic started by: cl94 on August 21, 2018, 05:48:06 pm

Title: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: cl94 on August 21, 2018, 05:48:06 pm
Being as it's not part of Select Named Freeways, could we add the LaSalle Expressway into the system as a parkway? The road is signed with a parkway-like shield and is longer than some parkways and several other "select named freeways". With the introduction of usanyp, the LaSalle Expressway is by far the longest limited-access road in the state that is not in Travel Mapping.
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: yakra on August 22, 2018, 01:18:19 pm
I've been thinking of adding that into the Select Named Freeways set.
I was going to hold off until the after the parkways in that set were moved over to usanyp upon its activation, but there's really no reason I can't do this now.
Edit: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2140
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: vdeane on August 25, 2018, 03:16:02 pm
Interesting how it's routed... I always thought of it as going to I-190 rather than the NSP (actually, I tend to think of that piece as the NSP).  I wonder why the reference route was set up that way, especially given the original plans to extend it to the Rainbow Bridge.
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: vdeane on September 22, 2018, 05:38:23 pm
Interesting how it's routed... I always thought of it as going to I-190 rather than the NSP (actually, I tend to think of that piece as the NSP).  I wonder why the reference route was set up that way, especially given the original plans to extend it to the Rainbow Bridge.
Revisiting this since I was looking at the area in street view today, although the reference routes are set as currently entered, it's essentially signed as the LaSalle going to I-190 at exit 21A and the Niagara Scenic Parkway extending to meet the LaSalle there, with mile 0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0796519,-78.9877409,3a,15.1y,191.75h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spgOQqHYX1Q8kAUu_Ac8GtQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) being just south of the interchange with the I-190(21A) point.
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: michih on June 15, 2019, 10:19:55 am
Is there anything still open?
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: Markkos1992 on August 08, 2022, 08:00:36 pm
Interesting how it's routed... I always thought of it as going to I-190 rather than the NSP (actually, I tend to think of that piece as the NSP).  I wonder why the reference route was set up that way, especially given the original plans to extend it to the Rainbow Bridge.
Revisiting this since I was looking at the area in street view today, although the reference routes are set as currently entered, it's essentially signed as the LaSalle going to I-190 at exit 21A and the Niagara Scenic Parkway extending to meet the LaSalle there, with mile 0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0796519,-78.9877409,3a,15.1y,191.75h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spgOQqHYX1Q8kAUu_Ac8GtQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) being just south of the interchange with the I-190(21A) point.

Posting here as this is what I saw the same signage you did vdeane Friday.  I think that the LaSalle should extend west to end at I-190 at Exit 21A with the Niagara Scenic Pkwy extended northeast to the LaSalle.
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: cockroachking on August 09, 2022, 08:42:19 am
Interesting how it's routed... I always thought of it as going to I-190 rather than the NSP (actually, I tend to think of that piece as the NSP).  I wonder why the reference route was set up that way, especially given the original plans to extend it to the Rainbow Bridge.
Revisiting this since I was looking at the area in street view today, although the reference routes are set as currently entered, it's essentially signed as the LaSalle going to I-190 at exit 21A and the Niagara Scenic Parkway extending to meet the LaSalle there, with mile 0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0796519,-78.9877409,3a,15.1y,191.75h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spgOQqHYX1Q8kAUu_Ac8GtQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) being just south of the interchange with the I-190(21A) point.

Posting here as this is what I saw the same signage you did vdeane Friday.  I think that the LaSalle should extend west to end at I-190 at Exit 21A with the Niagara Scenic Pkwy extended northeast to the LaSalle.
I agree with this assessment based on what I can see.

There is also this reassurance sign for the NiaScePkwy (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0794665,-78.9877674,3a,41.2y,202.61h,85.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDdIjhWAPXDPnWpmDaT1s6g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) on the ramps that are a part of NY951A, so that further supports this.

Also, I feel as though it is worth mentioning that LaSExpy does have a shield, (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.079901,-78.9811455,3a,34.4y,126.58h,89.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPYXJ0oALKmavA4U02DxIDQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1) but I could not find an SVG on Wikipedia, which I believe to be the TM method of finding the special shields.
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 10, 2022, 11:25:39 pm
Interesting how it's routed... I always thought of it as going to I-190 rather than the NSP (actually, I tend to think of that piece as the NSP).  I wonder why the reference route was set up that way, especially given the original plans to extend it to the Rainbow Bridge.
Revisiting this since I was looking at the area in street view today, although the reference routes are set as currently entered, it's essentially signed as the LaSalle going to I-190 at exit 21A and the Niagara Scenic Parkway extending to meet the LaSalle there, with mile 0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0796519,-78.9877409,3a,15.1y,191.75h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spgOQqHYX1Q8kAUu_Ac8GtQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) being just south of the interchange with the I-190(21A) point.

Posting here as this is what I saw the same signage you did vdeane Friday.  I think that the LaSalle should extend west to end at I-190 at Exit 21A with the Niagara Scenic Pkwy extended northeast to the LaSalle.

Taking a look at the area myself, but I would also recommend a separate point on NY-384 for the ramps from the Niagara Scenic Pkwy just to the west of I-190.  Especially since if you're on SB I-190, you must take NY-384 to those ramps to access NiaScePkwyNia going towards the Falls.

Maybe even a separate point on NiaScePkwyNia for those ramps to NY-384 too.

We should probably also move this topic temporarily back out of the Solved area as well to allow more eyes to see this (which I just did).
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: cockroachking on August 11, 2022, 02:36:19 pm
Interesting how it's routed... I always thought of it as going to I-190 rather than the NSP (actually, I tend to think of that piece as the NSP).  I wonder why the reference route was set up that way, especially given the original plans to extend it to the Rainbow Bridge.
Revisiting this since I was looking at the area in street view today, although the reference routes are set as currently entered, it's essentially signed as the LaSalle going to I-190 at exit 21A and the Niagara Scenic Parkway extending to meet the LaSalle there, with mile 0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0796519,-78.9877409,3a,15.1y,191.75h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spgOQqHYX1Q8kAUu_Ac8GtQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) being just south of the interchange with the I-190(21A) point.

Posting here as this is what I saw the same signage you did vdeane Friday.  I think that the LaSalle should extend west to end at I-190 at Exit 21A with the Niagara Scenic Pkwy extended northeast to the LaSalle.

Taking a look at the area myself, but I would also recommend a separate point on NY-384 for the ramps from the Niagara Scenic Pkwy just to the west of I-190.  Especially since if you're on SB I-190, you must take NY-384 to those ramps to access NiaScePkwyNia going towards the Falls.

Maybe even a separate point on NiaScePkwyNia for those ramps to NY-384 too.

We should probably also move this topic temporarily back out of the Solved area as well to allow more eyes to see this (which I just did).
I agree 100% with everything you just said, though I am definitely in favor of having too many points over not enough points.
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: webny99 on August 11, 2022, 02:53:54 pm
Newbie question: how difficult is it to add new points?

Edit: I guess this is not the place for newbie questions.. carry on..
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: cl94 on August 12, 2022, 08:43:15 pm
Time to address some recent comments,

Interesting how it's routed... I always thought of it as going to I-190 rather than the NSP (actually, I tend to think of that piece as the NSP).  I wonder why the reference route was set up that way, especially given the original plans to extend it to the Rainbow Bridge.
Revisiting this since I was looking at the area in street view today, although the reference routes are set as currently entered, it's essentially signed as the LaSalle going to I-190 at exit 21A and the Niagara Scenic Parkway extending to meet the LaSalle there, with mile 0 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0796519,-78.9877409,3a,15.1y,191.75h,88.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spgOQqHYX1Q8kAUu_Ac8GtQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) being just south of the interchange with the I-190(21A) point.

Posting here as this is what I saw the same signage you did vdeane Friday.  I think that the LaSalle should extend west to end at I-190 at Exit 21A with the Niagara Scenic Pkwy extended northeast to the LaSalle.

Taking a look at the area myself, but I would also recommend a separate point on NY-384 for the ramps from the Niagara Scenic Pkwy just to the west of I-190.  Especially since if you're on SB I-190, you must take NY-384 to those ramps to access NiaScePkwyNia going towards the Falls.

Maybe even a separate point on NiaScePkwyNia for those ramps to NY-384 too.

We should probably also move this topic temporarily back out of the Solved area as well to allow more eyes to see this (which I just did).

If we want to go by designations, the parkway and expressway route designations end at each other under I-190, with the spur to the 190 trumpet interchange. But in reality, the LaSalle Expressway ends at the trumpet and the Parkway ends at the LaSalle. Despite the connector "technically" being part of the LaSalle's route designation, the named expressway need not follow the underlying route. Name != route number and, in this case, it probably made more sense to inventory the trumpet as Interstate ramps for funding purposes. If you want, you could consider the S-curve to be a ramp, but the LaSalle Expressway ends at 190.

Agree for a separate set of points for the NY 384 exit from the Parkway, but mainly because of what we currently have for 190. If we're already treating 384 and the Parkway as separate interchanges on 190, it only makes sense to treat that half interchange as its own thing.
Title: Re: NY: LaSalle Expressway
Post by: neroute2 on August 12, 2022, 11:16:26 pm
Off topic but what butt nugget OSM editor decided the LaSalle is no longer a freeway?
edit: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/115397860