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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #105 on: October 10, 2021, 11:18:48 am »
AL 56
I guess there an overlap with AL 17...(Photo from July 2014)


Otherwise, all good.

AL 57 (oh, that's US 45 north of the AL 17 split)

AL 58 (history)

AL 59
Foley Beach Expressway doesn't have its own entry? I guess it's just a short toll bridge and a bunch of at-grade intersections.

CR 1 is correct, as per GMSV

CR 8 is also correct; but incorrect on Open Street Map (will check my photos)

Point labels with US 90 and US 31 overlaps concur.
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #106 on: November 22, 2021, 04:53:13 pm »
AL 60
Recommend the CR 36 point be adjusted to 4th Avenue South (4AveS), which leads to the town of Akron. GMSV also calls it "CR 36". Not a big deal.

AL 61
Recommend adding a point for North Street (NorSt) in Uniontown. (AL 183, located parallel to AL 61 has this point).

AL 62, AL 63, AL 64, AL 65
All good.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #107 on: January 16, 2022, 11:47:27 am »
I'm looking at US 11 and AL 5 as part of route planning for the Natchez, MS, meet, and I am seeing tons and tons of label errors (such as WilkRd instead of WilRd, AcadRd instead of AcaRd_E or AcaRd, even 18thStBes and 19thStBes, etc.).

For now, I am considering this as something to keep in mind as the peer review continues as it is more worth my time to continue route planning instead of listing label point errors on these roads.

EDIT (1-18-2022):  I also see that US 90/US 98 should have a point added at the entrance to Meaher State Park.

EDIT (1-19-2022):  I-65:  Consider adding a shaping point west of the north end of AL 149 to keep the line in Mapview west of there.
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #108 on: January 24, 2022, 01:51:16 am »
^ The I-65 shaping point will be unnecessary b/c that end of AL 149 has been relocated onto a different road...just haven't updated it yet.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #109 on: January 24, 2022, 08:03:58 am »
^ The I-65 shaping point will be unnecessary b/c that end of AL 149 has been relocated onto a different road...just haven't updated it yet.

Well I may consider clinching AL 149 dependent on how I do things around Birmingham.  I am hoping to see my cousin who lives in the area.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #110 on: January 25, 2022, 09:27:44 am »
If that is your intention, the new alignment of AL 149 stays on Lakeshore Pkwy to a point west of I-65, instead of turning north along Green Springs Hwy.  I am not sure how far west of I-65 it extends...I have no access to ALDOT's website at home because of some stupid ISP thing.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #111 on: January 25, 2022, 05:15:51 pm »
The West end of AL149 is just west of Wildwood Circle N. Then End 149 sign (visible on Street View) is between Cook Out and All South Appliances.

I believe this is the City Limit border between Homewood and Birmingham.

And just found this route description in the 2020 ALDOT Annual Report:
149.  From a junction with Alabama 38 (US 280) westerly along Shades Creek Parkway and Lakeshore Drive, to end at Homewood – Birmingham city limits approximately 300 feet west of junction of Wildwood Circle.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #112 on: February 03, 2022, 10:26:54 pm »
AL 135 has been decommissioned; I was there over Memorial Day this year and there was no signage whatsoever.
As best as I can tell, it has not been decommissioned.  Recent news reports (less than 2 months ago) still used the route's designation in describing a new speed limit where it goes through the state park.

That said, I'll take it out if it can be confirmed that they don't intend to resign it.

It's still not signed as of this week, I'd say it's safe to 86 it.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #113 on: February 04, 2022, 12:00:38 am »
AL 135 has been decommissioned; I was there over Memorial Day this year and there was no signage whatsoever.
As best as I can tell, it has not been decommissioned.  Recent news reports (less than 2 months ago) still used the route's designation in describing a new speed limit where it goes through the state park.

That said, I'll take it out if it can be confirmed that they don't intend to resign it.

It's still not signed as of this week, I'd say it's safe to 86 it.

Yeah, if you follow the link in the below post they've updated the map to remove it.

Note to self that AL 180 has been turned back east of AL 161 per the January 2019 Baldwin County Milepost Map (which incidentally retains AL 135).
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #114 on: February 08, 2022, 11:58:36 am »
From the link, it appears Alabama 135 is now "Old AL0135", so it's been decommissioned. There was no signage near or upon the route when I'd visited Orange Beach last June.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #115 on: March 14, 2022, 02:24:46 pm »
I can confirm this. In addition, ALDOT has added AL 149 signage on the I-65 off ramps and cleaned up the signage at Green Springs Hwy (CR 99) to confirm AL 149 stays on Lakeshore. AL 149 signage has not been added on I-65 itself yet.

Glad to finally clinch AL 149.

The West end of AL149 is just west of Wildwood Circle N. Then End 149 sign (visible on Street View) is between Cook Out and All South Appliances.

I believe this is the City Limit border between Homewood and Birmingham.

And just found this route description in the 2020 ALDOT Annual Report:
149.  From a junction with Alabama 38 (US 280) westerly along Shades Creek Parkway and Lakeshore Drive, to end at Homewood – Birmingham city limits approximately 300 feet west of junction of Wildwood Circle.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #116 on: March 17, 2022, 08:40:13 pm »
The east end of I-759 needs to be synced with US 411 and AL 759.

US 278/US 431: 

1.  CleveAv should be CleAve (I think) or removed.
2.  I-59(183) should be I-59.
3.  GoodAve>-GooAve.

US 411:  I-759(4)>-I-759.
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #117 on: March 17, 2022, 11:05:39 pm »
I was just in Talladega earlier today. AL 77, and perhaps AL 21, appear to have been rerouted through the city.

I followed the signage for AL 77. Approaching from the south, I took Haynes Street to North Street East then turned east (rather than to East Battle Street then turn west, as the HB now has it). From North Street East, I turned left onto the Western Bypass, then north on AL 77 at the intersection shown on Google Maps with East Street North (the road north of the Western Bypass has no name in GM, OSM, or other maps I've looked at).

AL 21 appears to have been rerouted as well, onto the Western Bypass. But I am less certain about this. I am more certain that AL 275, at least on the part of the Western Bypass I traveled, is no longer signed (at least westbound) and is probably toast.

I'm now just east of the Mississippi state line, heading west, with no plans to return home via Alabama.
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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #118 on: March 18, 2022, 05:56:25 pm »
    Went back through old posts and corrected/updated a number of things on my latest pull request:

    • Removed AL 135, 200, and 275.  The latter two also involved AL 21 realignments onto the former routes.
    • Removed BUSINESS 231 in Ozark.  2019 GMSV shows no more signage along 231.
    • Added Truck AL 22 in Maplesville.
    • Relocated AL 149 now that it follows more of Lakeshore Pkwy and crosses I-65.
    • Added AL 192 around Enterprise now that (per Oscar) it's at least partially signed.
    • Fixed several NMPs (including 759/411) and labels.

    A fair warning:  because of the routing changes and points in use with AL 21, AL 77, and the former AL 275, there will be messed up lists in Talladega.  There was no way I could see to avoid that.

    I have not gone in depth into formulaone's comments yet.

  • US80 wp AL81_SB and US29/US80 wps AL81_NB should be merged into AL81 wp, there are just two one-way streets. US29 wp AL81_NB is in use, US80 wps AL81_NB and AL81_SB are in use. However, you can use them as alt labels for the only wp.

I feel like this is very much a unique situation compounded by US 29 splitting off US 80 in between, so I'm inclined to leave it as-is.

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  • Are US231, US411 and AL23 wps in Ashville intended? I think so, let me know and I mark it FP.

Yes, this is another crazy situation where the routes follow the long way around the courthouse block.  This should be a FP.

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  • AL176 has two shaping points +x02 and +x03 close together. Is it intended? If so, I can mark it FP.
  • Same at AL25 +x25 and +x26, intended?

Yes.  In both of these cases, I was trying to avoid the "sharp corner" error due to the switchbacks on both routes (especially 176).

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  • AL167 wps AL/FL and CR9 seem to be intended too. Mark FP?

Yes.  Here, the intersection is not at but is just north of the state line...too far away to consider both one-and-the-same.

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Re: usaal: Alabama State Routes
« Reply #119 on: March 18, 2022, 08:16:53 pm »
Looking at Tuscaloosa, I am seeing a broken concurrency at the north end of the I-359/US 43/AL 69 due to the point missing from US 43 (which I would relabel as 12thSt).