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PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« on: January 11, 2023, 04:19:51 pm »
The roundabout on US 222 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd/PA 863 is now open.

Sadly, US 222 and PA 863 lose its graph connection because PA 863 now ends at Schantz Rd at a new intersection just northeast of US 222.

(The orange signs preceding the roundabout definitely say "Schantz Rd To PA 863".)

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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2023, 08:57:22 pm »
But what do the reference posts say?

Also, news articles suggest the project won't fully wrap up until summer so maybe wait to see what the permanent signage will say, as opposed to orange construction signage which is often not correct...
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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2023, 10:00:49 pm »
No 5-way roundabout for PennDOT, eh?
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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2023, 06:27:50 am »
But what do the reference posts say?

Also, news articles suggest the project won't fully wrap up until summer so maybe wait to see what the permanent signage will say, as opposed to orange construction signage which is often not correct...


The signage plans on ECMS made it clear that PA 863 was being truncated (and the orange signs match that).  There was a "PA 863 NORTH" without the "TO" in the roundabout, but again that was temporary construction signage.  I will probably do another drive through once the project is complete anyway.

No 5-way roundabout for PennDOT, eh?

Nope, though Schantz Rd does lead to warehouses just west of PA 100 (hence why I added a point at Schantz Rd on PA 100) so it makes sense why it is favored.  I will probably have to readjust the roundabout point once it shows up on OSM.

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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2023, 01:44:11 pm »
Having driven the new roundabout twice last week, it's painfully obvious that work here is nowhere near complete. I'd favor holding off on doing anything drastic until we see the actual finished signage, none of which is in place yet (and won't be until later this year at least).

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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2023, 02:15:21 pm »
Having driven the new roundabout twice last week, it's painfully obvious that work here is nowhere near complete. I'd favor holding off on doing anything drastic until we see the actual finished signage, none of which is in place yet (and won't be until later this year at least).

I checked the signage plans in ECMS this morning, and they match the orange signs that are in the field now.

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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2023, 04:25:55 pm »
^ So said signage plans show the short segment of Schantz Rd between the roundabout and 863 will have a four-digit SR?

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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2023, 04:36:09 pm »
^ So said signage plans show the short segment of Schantz Rd between the roundabout and 863 will have a four-digit SR?

Yes, it will be SR 3012.  The old portion of Schantz Rd between the dead end east of US 222 and PA 863 will be SR 3016.

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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2023, 12:05:29 am »
Double-checked this on Friday the 20th. The signage from southbound 222 in the field has unequivocal "North 863" arrow signs at the entrance from south 222 into the roundabout, another leaving the roundabout at Schantz, and a third aiming off onto Independent/863. None of these signs have "TO" on them nor even room for it.

There is no signage from northbound 222 except for the construction sign.

If we are indeed going by actual signage in the field, I reiterate that we really should wait to see how PennDOT actually signs it upon completion of the project.

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Re: PA: US 222 and PA 863 at Schantz Rd/Farmington Rd
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2023, 10:21:38 am »
^Yeah, you saw the same thing I did.  I will definitely drive by there again after completion anyway.