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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #120 on: April 14, 2024, 04:45:49 pm »
OH LinHwyAsh leaves US 42 thru Windsor (west end).

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #121 on: April 14, 2024, 05:03:24 pm »
I noticed something interesting in Maryland on the National Road.  There's a point west of Baltimore where MD 144 ends in the middle of a National Road segment that doesn't have a point on the National Road.

I'd be interested to see what's not already covered from the routes in New York Scenic Byways: https://www.dot.ny.gov/display/programs/scenic-byways/lists

I'm guessing its going to be similar to what @neroute2 found for All-American Roads, that it would be almost all concurrent with routes we already have.


I thought this system was going to be mainly multi-state routes, not getting down into the weeds of what every state considers a scenic byway?  And unfortunately I'm unaware of any GIS-based map of these things that would make it easy to pin down exact alignments.  There's also the fact that many of these aren't traditional routes that go from point A to point B... they branch and have spurs all over the place (ugh).

There is a surprisingly large amount of scenic byway mileage in NY that isn't concurrent with the touring route system.  I swear, if you make me drive all the way out to far eastern Long Island again... looks like I'm losing my 100% of NY for the next several years at this rate.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #122 on: April 14, 2024, 05:23:29 pm »
I noticed something interesting in Maryland on the National Road.  There's a point west of Baltimore where MD 144 ends in the middle of a National Road segment that doesn't have a point on the National Road.

It's a hidden point on NatRd, so concurrency detection will still work. This is because there's no intersection there, that section of MD 144 ends at the county line.

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I thought this system was going to be mainly multi-state routes, not getting down into the weeds of what every state considers a scenic byway?

There is no officially defined scope at this point. I had suggested this upthread precisely because I don't like that level of getting down into the weeds either, but it is still open for discussion.

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #123 on: April 14, 2024, 06:57:52 pm »
Oregon Trail in Oregon:

exit 193 to exit 168: Echo Road, Thielsen Street, Oregon Trail Road, OR 207, Bombing Range Road all the way to I-84

exit 87 to Oregon City (Barlow Road Route): US 197 (including around Dufur), Tygh Valley Road, Wamic Market Road, NF 48, OR 35, Barlow Pass, OR 35, US 26 (can't find any signs at the old alignments), OR 211, OR 224, Bakers Ferry Road, Springwater Road, Hattan Road, Gronlund Road, Bradley Road, Holcomb Boulevard (this sign got turned around), Abernethy Road to end at Washington Street

Grass Valley (or farther east??) to Tygh Valley (Barlow Road Cutoff): OR 216 to the main Barlow Road at US 197

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2024, 04:30:55 pm »
The main Lincoln Highway in Ohio uses Leesville Rd (west and east of OH 598) and Mabee Rd in Ontario (east of OH 314). These are part of the route signed as the main line, not branches or loops.

Leesville Rd (west) (at 598) (east)

Mabee Rd (west) (east)

(edit: neroute2 already pointed out the route on Windsor Rd)
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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2024, 10:39:40 pm »
In Indiana, ORSB and LCTrl both have a point in Clarksville that is probably in the wrong spot. BroStaWay_E should mark the turn at Randolph Ave instead of North Clark Blvd.

Looks like the ORSB was changed, but the LCTrl wasn't.
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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #126 on: April 17, 2024, 12:47:35 am »
IA Lincoln Highway:
Signs east of Lisbon do not seem to have been updated (as of September 2023) for the realignment of US 30 Bus. Do you have any sources showing the backtrack on Kirkwood? If not, I'd recommend using as much of the old alignment as possible via Adams and Old Lincoln to Charles.

Everything else looks perfect :)
See my post from April 6.
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There are currently two gaps in the route due to closed roads in the IA 17 and Lisbon areas. I’m in a protracted debate/struggle with the Iowa LHA on this as the Iowa DOT wants to re-sign the route this year, I have some changes across the state based on my research, and any major changes have to take into account its national byway designation. What's there in those two places is fine for now but I hope to have them changed in the field.

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #127 on: April 19, 2024, 10:39:20 pm »
I found an eastern extension of the Barlow Road Cutoff. It continues north on US 97 to Monkland Lane, Hay Canyon Road, OR 206, Sandon Road to Klondike Lane. The main Oregon Trail is also signed east of Wasco via Old Wasco-Heppner Highway and Klondike Lane, leading to the McDonald crossing of the John Day River. It's also signed northwest out of Wasco on old US 97, presumably using US 97 to old US 30 (another info center sign where old US 30 ends).

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #128 on: April 21, 2024, 01:52:29 am »
Oregon Trail/California Trail/Pony Express in Kansas:
All three enter from Nebraska on K-148 and turn east on US 36.
At US 77, the Oregon Trail and California Trail turn right, while the Pony Express and a spur of the California Trail continue straight.
The Oregon and California Trails go east on K-9, south on K-99, east on US 24, south from Rossville, east on I-70, east on US 40 and old US 40 into Lawrence, south on US 59, east on old K-10 and K-10, then probably east and north on I-435 (definitely on I-435 in Missouri), but I don't know how far (probably at least to US 24 east).

The Pony Express and California Trail spur use US 36 into Missouri, where they use I-29 Bus north to at least Mitchell Street.

Wyoming also signs them, but I haven't looked in detail yet.
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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #129 on: April 21, 2024, 04:09:42 am »
Wyoming also signs them, but I haven't looked in detail yet.
I'm partway through WY, and struggling to work out Idaho, so perhaps look at Nebraska or Nevada instead?

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #130 on: April 21, 2024, 08:22:35 am »
Wisconsin LMCT is missing one of WI 57's waypoints between CRP_DooE and CRWD_Doo.
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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #131 on: April 21, 2024, 02:50:54 pm »
Wyoming also signs them, but I haven't looked in detail yet.
I'm partway through WY, and struggling to work out Idaho, so perhaps look at Nebraska or Nevada instead?

I was unable to find anything in Nebraska with a quick search.

California Trail in Nevada (shared with Pony Express west of Fallon):
SR 88 north to SR 206 north to US 395 north thru downtown Carson City (but also US 50 west of US 395) to US 50 east to US 95 north, then presumably east on I-80 but I can't find any more signs until West Wendover (including onto I-80 east).

https://www.nps.gov/cali/planyourvisit/tour-route-nevada.htm claims the Pony Express simply uses US 50 and US 93/93 Alt east of Fallon, but I can't find any signs.

Pony Express also has a local tour route on SR 207 to end at US 50.

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #132 on: April 21, 2024, 03:06:50 pm »
Utah: California Trail, Mormon Pioneer, and Pony Express use old US 30 thru Echo, SR 65, presumably all the way to I-80 (unless they use Emigration Canyon Road?)

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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #133 on: April 21, 2024, 04:30:02 pm »
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1453/road-signs.htm lists all the trails:
California Trail
El Camino Real de Tierra Adentro
El Camino Real de los Tejas
Mormon Pioneer
Old Spanish Trail
Oregon Trail
Pony Express
Santa Fe Trail
Trail of Tears
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1453/index.htm also includes Butterfield Overland and Route 66.
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Re: usatr: United States select tourist routes
« Reply #134 on: April 21, 2024, 11:07:27 pm »
Trail of Tears:

begins on US 76 in Ellijay GA
both ways on old US 411:
going north on old US 411, staying with US 76 but crossing US 411 to SR 225 ("Roundup Route"). The roundup route goes south to end at Craigtown Road, and north to where? It seems that signs disappear in favor of Georgia's Old Federal Road.
going south on old US 411, I can't find any more signs.

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