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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: Bickendan on April 12, 2016, 09:15:20 pm

Title: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on April 12, 2016, 09:15:20 pm
While this isn't the start of any official data set for Down Under, I found myself drafting a route file for Australia's Highway 1, the perimeter highway of the mainland. According to Wikipedia, the route starts in Katherine, Northern Territory, and goes around Australia's outer edge and ends at itself in Katherine, with a spur running north to Darwin.
Since the spur and the mainline running south from Katherine are both part of the Stuart Highway, I opted to use Darwin as the origin, and started running clockwise around Australia.
Currently, route 1 is in one giant file. To give an idea how massive it is with only two states, from Darwin, NT, to the Queensland/New South Wales border, the highway is 2628 miles long (out of a projected 9000+), 1010 points, 706 of which are shape points. Queensland apparently has a number of duplicated state highway numbers with no relation to each other.
To break this down further:
Northern Territory (Darwin - Queensland): 776 miles
Points: 256
Shape points: 217
Queensland: 1852 miles
Points: 755
Shape points: 489

The 10 mile distance maximum between clinchable points has been ignored but is more or less irrelevant from Brisbane south and won't be an issue until Melbourne's been cleared, in fact, it could be argued that New South Wales-Victoria-South Australia portion, while far lower on the shape points, will 'bloat' the file!

Ultimately, the file would be split up by state. It could even be split by the alpha-numeric changes through out (N1 in NT, N1 in northwest QLD, A1 along the coast, M1 where it becomes a motorway, and B1 near Melbourne, and so on).
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on April 15, 2016, 06:37:27 am
New South Wales: 829 miles
Points: 437
Shape Points: 223

Total: 3457 miles
Points: 1446
Shape points: 929
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on April 18, 2016, 04:33:41 am
Victoria: 595 miles
Points: 265
Shape Points: 119

Total: 4052 miles
Points: 1711
Shape Points: 1194
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on April 20, 2016, 02:57:03 am
South Australia: 1082 miles
Points: 247
Shape Points: 156

Total: 5134 miles
Points: 1958
Shape Points: 1202
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on December 28, 2018, 04:51:49 pm
A computer crash way back when destroyed my work in southern NSW, Victoria, and South Australia on Hwy 1. I also discovered that a good portion of coordinates on the NT portion are off by 360° longitude, resulting in strange world wrapping on the map.
Initially, I started the draft as a single file, just to see how big it was (got into Westerm Australia before the aforementioned crash), and it was bogging the highway drafter down quite badly, definitely arguing for subdivision splits for Australia.
Lastly, with motorway construction through both QLD and NSW, the trace is out of date as 1 bounces between A1 and M1 less often.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on December 30, 2018, 05:29:59 am
Do you work on developing a system here? Or was your work on Hwy 1 just for fun?
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on December 30, 2018, 05:33:27 am
It was just for fun. Since I have the most basic draft done, I should probably finish that off and hand it off to whomever wants to do the systems down under.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on December 30, 2018, 06:21:13 am
What's your source, only wikipedia?
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on December 30, 2018, 06:44:21 am
OSM
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on December 30, 2018, 07:18:24 am
I had a quick look on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_transport_in_Australia#Roads_and_highways).
We could start with freeways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeways_in_Australia) (tier 1 system). I'm not sure but think that toll roads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_roads_in_Australia#Current_toll_roads) are concurrent with them - each toll road is a freeway?
The potential tier 3 (since there is no international route system as we have in Europe and Asia) or tier 4 system (?) should be the National Highway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_(Australia)#List_of_roads_on_the_National_Land_Transport_Network) network but they are not numberd nor have a proper name :(

Australia is already split into regions (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/regions.csv) since 2015:

Code: [Select]
code;name;country;continent;regionType
ACT;Australian Capital Territory;AUS;OCE;Territory
ANT;Northern Territory;AUS;OCE;Territory
AUS;Australia;AUS;OCE;Country
CCK;Cocos (Keeling) Islands;AUS;OCE;External Territory
CXR;Christmas Island;AUS;OCE;External Territory
HMD;Heard Island and McDonald Islands;AUS;OCE;External Territory
NFK;Norfolk Island;AUS;OCE;External Territory
NSW;New South Wales;AUS;OCE;State
QLD;Queensland;AUS;OCE;State
SAS;South Australia;AUS;OCE;State
TAS;Tasmania;AUS;OCE;State
VIC;Victoria;AUS;OCE;State
WAS;Western Australia;AUS;OCE;State

Do we really wanna keep this region codes or should it be AUS-ACT, AUS-NSW, AUS-NT, AUS-QLD, AUS-SA, AUS-TAS, AUS-VIC, AUS-WA?
What's about CCK, CXR, HMD and NFK?

https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:AU
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on December 30, 2018, 09:20:33 am
Do we really wanna keep this region codes or should it be AUS-ACT, AUS-NSW, AUS-NT, AUS-QLD, AUS-SA, AUS-TAS, AUS-VIC, AUS-WA?
Tradition dictates Anglophonic countries get short subdivision codes - the 2-letter postal codes for US/Canada and ENG/WLS/SCT/NIR.
Quote
What's about CCK, CXR, HMD and NFK?
They have ISO-3166:1 codes of their own.

See also (these in use ones - others exist):
ABW
ALA
GLP
GUF
HKG
MAF
MTQ
MYT
NCL
PYF
REU
SPM
WLF
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on December 30, 2018, 09:53:11 am
Tradition dictates Anglophonic countries get short subdivision codes - the 2-letter postal codes for US/Canada and ENG/WLS/SCT/NIR.

I thought that the dictatorship is over... Australia is a "new TM country" and I think we should do it like Mexico, Germany, Spain, India and China. To be honest, ACT or ASA is not intuitive but AUS-ACT and AUS-SA would be.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: vdeane on December 30, 2018, 11:04:00 am
I had a quick look on wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_transport_in_Australia#Roads_and_highways).
We could start with freeways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeways_in_Australia) (tier 1 system). I'm not sure but think that toll roads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_roads_in_Australia#Current_toll_roads) are concurrent with them - each toll road is a freeway?
The potential tier 3 (since there is no international route system as we have in Europe and Asia) or tier 4 system (?) should be the National Highway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Highway_(Australia)#List_of_roads_on_the_National_Land_Transport_Network) network but they are not numberd nor have a proper name :(
The US and Canada don't have international routes either and they have systems at tier 2.  Since Australia is its own continent, I could see something similar working.  The bigger issue, as far as I can see, is that it appears the National Route system is partially phased out, signed in some states but not others.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on December 30, 2018, 11:17:42 am
yes, the first non-freeway system could also be tier 2.

wikipedia also states that the Highway 1 itself is a "network of highways" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_1_(Australia)). I think that's what Bickendan has drafted, now I've realized that the thread is called "N/A/B/M1". It's similar to TCH. Maybe this should be the tier 2 system?
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on January 17, 2019, 12:20:05 pm
Corrected a massive raft of bad longitudes for Northern Territory N1 causing globe wrapping traces (eg, -227° instead of 133°).
N1 runs from Darwin, NT, to Cairns, QLD. OSM doesn't show it, and it may no longer exist, but there is/was an A1 Alt through Cairns. For drafting, I've included it.
A1 begins there and runs down to Gympie, QLD, where M1 begins. This was a 975 mile beast.
M1 runs down through Brisbane, with an exit number swap (the last 86 km of Bruce Highway don't exist, apparently) as the M1 jumps onto the Pacific Motorway at km 16. It continues into New South Wales, without exit numbers, to Ballina, and here it starts to get fuzzy: NSW is currently building out M1 from Sydney north toward Ballina, so the jumps between M1 and A1 will eventually get filled in, but the transitions aren't yet concrete -- OSM shows motorway sections signed as A1.

To recap:
AUS-NT - N001 [Darwin-QLD], N001Bul (Bulla) [WA-Katherine]
AUS-QLD - N001, A001AltCai (Cairns), A001, M001
AUS-NSW - M001Bal (Ballina), A001Gra (Grafton), M001Woo (Woolgoolga), A001Cof (Coffs Harbour), M001Uru (Urunga), A001Eun (Eungai Creek - motorway section of A1), M001Kem (Kempsey), A001Bul (Buladelah), M001Haw (Hawkesbury River), A001Cha (Chatswood), M001Syd (Sydney) and M001SHB (Sydney Harbour Bridge), A001Syd (Sydney), M001Wol (Wollongong), A001She (Shellharbour). I will not use a non-named segment of either A1 or M1 for New South Wales.
AUS-VIC - A001, M001 [with a reversing exit number series through Melbourne. All exit numbers will be a Ex or Wx series] and A001AltMel (Melbourne), A001Win (Winchelsea), M001Win (Winchelsea), A001War (Warrnambool)
AUS-SA - A001MtG (Mount Gambier), B001, A001Mur (Murray Bridge), M001, A001Ade (Adelaide - Glen Osmond Road), R001Ade (Adelaide - City Centre Ring), A001
AUS-WA - N001 [without any shapepoints, this segment is 3128 mi/5034 km long!]
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on January 20, 2019, 12:22:28 pm
Darwin-Adelaide is finished.
I'm down to the last three segments of the route (Adelaide-Katherine), and two are the big ones.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on January 25, 2019, 08:06:13 pm
https://imgur.com/a/fhuJfGj
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Duke87 on January 25, 2019, 09:01:29 pm
Yowza.

Is this going to get broken up by state? Given the sheer scale involved I feel like it should.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on January 25, 2019, 11:39:54 pm
By state and by classification.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on January 26, 2019, 01:23:24 am
Over 600 points for AUSWA N1 and it's dragging the editor to a crawl, and I expect to add at least 200 more shapepoints x.x
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on January 26, 2019, 03:32:08 am
Finally finished WA N1.
3332 miles long.
827 points, 280 visible, 547 hidden.
Average spacing: 4 miles
Average visible spacing: 12 miles

Time to work on the last segment.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on January 27, 2019, 04:52:24 am
This beast will need a .csv, but how should I approach this? Do we consider Route 1 as its own separate system, or as parts of the other Australian systems?
If it's its own system, I'm not sure that breaking the .csv into multiple files (by state/territory) is the best approach -- having a single one seems to be the best idea, and doing it in a clockwise manner by state then route classification segment (Northern Territory would end up having two entries in the .csv), with Tasmania at the end.

Code: [Select]
aus1;AUSNT;N1;;;;ausnt.n001;
aus1;AUSQLD;N1;;;ausqld.n001;
aus1;AUSQLD;A1;;;ausqld.a001;
aus1;AUSQLD;A1;Alt;cai;Cairnes;ausqld.a001altcairnes;//filenames not yet shortened
aus1;AUSQLD;M1;;;;ausqld.m001;
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;bal;Ballina;ausnsw.m001bal
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;gra;Grafton;ausnsw.a001gra
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;wol;Woolgoolga;ausnsw.m001woo
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;cof;Coffs Harbour;ausnsw.a001cof
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;uru;Urunga;ausnsw.m001uru
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;eun;Eungai Creek;ausnsw.a001eun
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;kem;Kempsey;ausnsw.m001kem
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;bul;Buladelah;ausnsw.a001bul
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;haw;Hawksbury River;ausnsw.m001haw
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;cha;Chatswood;ausnsw.a001cha
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;syd;Sydney;ausnsw.m001syd
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;syd;Sydney Harbour Bridge;ausnsw.m001shb
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;syd;Sydney;ausnsw.a001syd
aus1;AUSNSW;M1;;wol;Wollongong;ausnsw.m001wol
aus1;AUSNSW;A1;;she;Shell Harbour;ausnsw.a001she
aus1;AUSVIC;A1;;;;ausvic.a001
aus1;AUSVIC;M1;;;;ausvic.m001
aus1;AUSVIC;A1;Alt;mel;Melbourne;ausvic.a001altmel
aus1;AUSVIC;A1;;win;Winchelsea;ausvic.a001win
aus1;AUSVIC;M1;;win;Winchelsea;ausvic.m001win
aus1;AUSVIC;A1;;war;Warnambool;ausvic.a001war
aus1;AUSSA;A1;;mtg;Mount Gambier;aussa.a001mtg
aus1;AUSSA;B1;;;;aussa.b001
aus1;AUSSA;A1;;mur;Murray Bridge;aussa.a001mur
aus1;AUSSA;M1;;;;aussa.m001
aus1;AUSSA;A1;;ade;Adelaide;aussa.a001ade
aus1;AUSSA;R1;;;Adelaide Ring Route East;aussa.r001e
aus1;AUSSA;R1;;;Adelaide Ring Route West;aussa.r001w
aus1;AUSSA;A1;;;;aussa.a001
aus1;AUSWA;N1;;;;auswa.n001
aus1;AUSNT;NT;;bul;Bullah;ausnt001bul
aus1;AUSTAS;N1;;;;austas.n001

If it's part of the Australian sets as a whole, then distinct .csvs by region then system would be the way to go
(AUS-NT N routes, AUS-NT NT territorial routes
AUS-WA N routes, AUS-WA S secondary routes
AUS-SA A routes, AUS-SA B routes, AUS-SA M motorways, AUS-SA R Adelaide Ring Route 1
AUS-VIC A routes, AUS-VIC B routes, AUS-VIC C routes, AUS-VIC M motorways
AUS-NSW A routes, AUS-NSW M motorways, AUS-NSW NSW state routes
AUS-QLD A routes, AUS-QLD N routes, AUS-QLD M freeways, AUS-QLD QLD state routes
I haven't looked at AUS-ACT or at Tasmania yet to have an idea what they have)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on January 27, 2019, 07:22:38 am
Even if you decide to have an own system for it, it must be split at the regional borders because other systems might be added one day.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on January 27, 2019, 11:55:00 am
It's a bit of a mess. National Routes/Highways (N) (and in some states, their state highways too) are being replaced with M/A/B/C. Most states have done it, NT and QLD haven't finished, WA is holding on to the old system.

Given we're talking national systems, surely have something more like:

National Highway/National Route 1 is one route that's part of the national system - it's not its own thing, but has that super-status in the mind that's a cross between US66 and Iceland's Ring Road (also numbered 1).
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Duke87 on January 28, 2019, 01:01:58 am
No point in making a separate system just for one route when there are other similarly-designated routes. Sections of route 1 can be sorted into respective systems for N/A/B/M as appropriate.

Si's overall breakdown seems to make sense to me, although I would not append "c" to the ends of system abbreviations for those systems. For example "austasc" can just be "austas", since there isn't any higher level system specific to Tasmania which would take that abbreviation.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on January 28, 2019, 04:08:36 am
ausm
ausn
ausa
ausb
These should be broken down by region as well, no?
Something like
ausactm
ausacta
ausntn
ausqldm
ausqldn
ausqlda
aussam
aussaa
aussab
aussar
austasa
ausvicm
ausvica
ausvicb
auswan
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on January 28, 2019, 04:43:37 am
These should be broken down by region as well, no?
No. Same as usaus isn't broken up into 49 separate systems

alus, arus, azus, caus, cous, ctus, dcus,
deus, flus, gaus, iaus, idus, ilus, inus,
ksus, kyus, laus, maus, mdus, meus, mius,
mnus, mous, msus, mtus, ncus, ndus, neus,
nhus, njus, nmus, nvus, nyus, ohus, okus,
orus, paus, rius, scus, sdus, tnus, txus,
utus, vaus, vtus, waus, wius, wvus, wyus

but kept as a whole. Ditto usai and 52 systems, eure and 80 systems, etc, etc
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: vdeane on February 02, 2019, 02:56:44 pm
South Australia also seems to retain the National Route shield for some routes, despite switching something to alphanumeric, and Tazmania retained National Route 1.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 06, 2019, 02:25:48 am
Any revisions to these provisional .csvs?

ausm
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausm;AUS-QLD;;;;ausqld.m001;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;bal;Ballina, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001bal;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;wol;Woolgoolga, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001woo;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;uru;Urunga, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001uru;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;kem;Kempsey, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001kem;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;haw;Hawksbury River, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001haw;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;syd;Sydney, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001syd;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;shb;Sydney Harbour Bridge, Sydney, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001shb;
ausm;AUS-NSW;;wol;Wollongong, New South Wales;ausnsw.m001wol;
ausm;AUS-VIC;;;;ausvic.m001;
ausm;AUS-VIC;;win;Winchelsea, Victoria;ausvic.m001win;
ausm;AUS-SA;;;;aussa.m001;

ausn
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausn;AUS-NT;;;;ausnt.n001;
ausn;AUS-QLD;;;;ausqld.n001;
ausn;AUS-WA;;;;auswa.n001;
ausn;AUS-NT;;bul;Bullah, Northern Territory;ausnt.n001bul;
ausn;AUS-TAS;;bur;Burnie-Lauriceston, Tasmania;austas.n001bur;
ausn;AUS-TAS;;hob;Lauriceston-Hobart, Tasmania;austas.n001hob;

ausa
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausa;AUS-QLD;A1;;;;ausqld.a001;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;gra;Grafton, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001gra;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;cof;Coffs Harbour, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001cof;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;eun;Eungai Creek, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001eun;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;bul;Buladulah, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001bul;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;cha;Chatswood, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001cha;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;syd;Sydney, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001syd;
ausa;AUS-NSW;A1;;she;Shell Harbour, New South Wales;ausnsw.a001wol;
ausa;AUS-VIC;A1;;;;ausvic.a001;
ausa;AUS-VIC;A1;;win;Winchelsea, Victoria;ausvic.a001win;
ausa;AUS-VIC;A1;;war;Warnambool, Victoria;ausvic.a001war;
ausa;AUS-SA;A1;;mtg;Mount Gambier, South Australia;aussa.a001mtg;
ausa;AUS-SA;A1;;mur;Murray Bridge, South Australia;aussa.a001mur;
ausa;AUS-SA;A1;;ade;Adelaide, South Australia;aussa.a001ade;
ausa;AUS-SA;A1;;;;aussa.a001;

ausaban
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames
ausa;AUS-QLD;A1;Alt;cai;Cairnes, Queensland;ausqld.a001altcai;
ausa;AUS-VIC;A1;Alt;mel;Melbourne, Victoria;ausvic.a001altmel;

ausb
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausb;AUS-SA;;;;aussa.b001;

ausr
Code: [Select]
systemName;region;route;banner;abbrev;city;root;altRouteNames;
ausr;AUS-SA;;;Adelaide Ring Road East, Adelaide, South Australia;aussa.r001e;
ausr;AUS-SA;;;Adelaide Ring Road West, Adelaide, South Australia;aussa.r001w;
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on February 06, 2019, 05:44:33 am
order by position on the route, rather than by where in the alphabet the state's code comes? (not that it currently matters as the site sorts it by region for display)
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 06, 2019, 07:14:46 am
Yes. If that proves not ideal when the various systems are fleshed out, I can change it now.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on February 06, 2019, 12:58:34 pm
What's ausaban? What's the system name? Shouldn't it be included to ausa?
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Jim on February 06, 2019, 04:32:01 pm
What's ausaban? What's the system name? Shouldn't it be included to ausa?

Looks like bannered ausa routes, so to be consistent with our handling of this in the U.S. I think it would be ausab.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 06, 2019, 08:53:56 pm
What's ausaban? What's the system name? Shouldn't it be included to ausa?

Looks like bannered ausa routes, so to be consistent with our handling of this in the U.S. I think it would be ausab.
Changed my local copy.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: yakra on February 08, 2019, 11:57:50 pm
There's usaus & usausb, but OTOH, how about the state systems, where bannered routes are included in the same system as the mainline routes?
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: mapcat on February 09, 2019, 10:50:41 am
How many bannered A routes are there likely to be eventually?
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 11, 2019, 05:18:03 pm
Probably not that many.  So far, there's the two (Alt A1 Cairnes, Alt A1 Melbourne), three if you count M1 Sydney Harbour Bridge.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Duke87 on February 11, 2019, 07:20:55 pm
So then not enough to be worth making spare systems for it sounds like.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 11, 2019, 08:29:39 pm
 For the moment, let's keep them separate until we have a better idea of what's out there. If they are rare routes, rolling them into ausa won't be an issue. 
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 21, 2019, 04:33:11 am
I've sent what I've drafted to Jim.
Barring any missing items, I believe that this puts Australia into Devel status.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Jim on February 21, 2019, 07:59:18 am
I have the files, thanks.  I'm looking for a volunteer who can take them, get them into the proper directory structure, and run the datacheck to verify everything gets parsed correctly.  It's a busy few days for me so it would otherwise have to wait a bit.

Email me and I can forward or contact @Bickendan to send you the files.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on February 21, 2019, 01:10:42 pm
I could do it by Sunday at the latest. I'll contract Bickendan but I'll not start today (Thursday) if anyone wanna beat me...
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: ua747sp on February 21, 2019, 04:24:48 pm
  • ausnswm - Sydney Metroads
  • ausqldm - Brisbane Metroads

As far as I know, these are on the way out. Sydney Metroads are no longer active, and Brisbane is close to phasing them out. Wanted to let y’all know before anyone spent time on them or their structure.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 21, 2019, 09:42:47 pm
I could do it by Sunday at the latest. I'll contract Bickendan but I'll not start today (Thursday) if anyone wanna beat me...
I'll send them your way when I get home from work tonight.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on February 22, 2019, 12:20:40 pm
Done: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/2609

Open issues:
- _con.csv file entries need to be "connected by continuous route" (there were no _con.csv files at all)
- Some regions have routes with abbreviation only but should have exactly one route without abbreviation
- System names, tiers and system colors should be checked

Code: [Select]
ausa;AUS;Australia A Roads;red;3;devel
ausab;AUS;Australia A Roads (Alt);red;3;devel
ausb;AUS;Australia B Roads;green;4;devel
ausm;AUS;Australia Motorways;blue;1;devel
ausn;AUS;Australia National Roads;red;3;devel
ausr;AUS;Australia Ring Roads;red;3;devel
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on February 22, 2019, 04:03:37 pm
South Australia, Western Australia and Northern Territories codes should be AUS-SA, AUS-WA, and AUS-NT. The reason they had three letter codes before the AUS- was added was as WA and NT clash (and SA was given a third letter to not look odd).

The state/territory codes can be used in csvs, rather than spelling out (cf the multi-state USA systems).

The following routes are connected to each other:

ausqld.m001,ausnsw.m001bal

ausnsw.a001she,ausvic.a001

ausvic.a001war,aussa.a001mtg

ausnt.n001,ausqld.n001

auswa.n001,ausnt.n001bul

PS: I can fix these if wanted to.
PPS: the WA part of N1 is missing the SA border point - just something I noticed during my quick look over, eating dinner.
PPPS: I don't know whether it's the looking at Australia, or the tinnie (of the brand that Australians don't drink, but ship over to blighty for the poms), or both, but I've got the Round the Twist theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPxJ6RR40ZU) stuck in my head. If only it was Nathan Lyon's off stump flying out (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyYw6XFV720).
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: michih on February 22, 2019, 04:15:27 pm
Sorry, I was not 100% sure about region codes and used codes from regions.csv - plus AUS- of course :)
csv files had a lot of issues and I just wanted to get them live. Fixing all issues was too much for my limited knowledge about Australia et cetera.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on February 22, 2019, 05:26:29 pm
Smashed it, though sadly not quite as skilled (or as high-stakes) as Johnny (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-OhYAtK6to) smashed it (though thankfully, I'm not carrying a broken shoulder, I have had enough amber nectar to start thinking songs about sheep rustlers suicides (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvazMc5EfE) might be worth singing).

Those sandpaper-using convicts even get the starts of a green-and-gold colour scheme (yellow for state routes) to match their national colours.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 23, 2019, 01:03:45 am
I didn't catch that both Tasmania N1s are out of bounds and every point needs to adjusted by 360° x.x
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 24, 2019, 12:14:48 am
Is there a particular need to keep the A1 and M1 segments in alphabetical order or does the database do that automatically? My draft .csvs had them in clockwise order to track each segment geographically. (I'm not worried about the state/territory order; that can stay in alphabetical order)
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on February 24, 2019, 03:08:26 am
That's the website.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on February 24, 2019, 11:39:16 pm
Gotcha.

I'm going to go over the data check errors and fix them tomorrow.  I'm impressed the long segments (SAS A1, QLD A1, N1, and WA and NT N1 didn't have any.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on March 07, 2019, 09:07:55 am
Anyone mind if I start doing some other routes?
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: Bickendan on March 09, 2019, 04:41:10 pm
Go for it. I'd wait on doing any in Tasmania until I fix all the out of bound longitudes.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on March 10, 2019, 02:07:47 pm
Cool

I've done all the motorways, and I've made a start on further A roads.
Title: Re: Australia N/A/B/M1
Post by: si404 on March 13, 2019, 07:56:13 pm
I'd wait on doing any in Tasmania until I fix all the out of bound longitudes.
I've taken the liberty of doing this.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on March 14, 2019, 09:45:34 pm
Renamed the thread to Australia.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on March 17, 2019, 04:53:19 am
Top level systems are now preview.

I've not touched the N/A/M/R/B1 files, save to add the A1 heading south out of Darwin (GMSV has it signed most of the way).

The A road system is a little annoying - there's lots of national routes, many of which cross state lines, but then there's Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide metro-area routes that clash - Brisbane with QLD's routes, most of which the state changed number of. Is it a national system? Is it state systems? Is it national, state and city systems all using the same alphanumeric system? Yes!  :pan:

As an extreme, there's 6 A3's - two of which are in Queensland on entirely different routes!
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on March 18, 2019, 04:18:02 am
The Darwin-Katherine portion of N1 is really A1 then, despite what OSM says?
If so, the Bullah file can be combined with the main N1 file where they meet in Katherine.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on March 18, 2019, 04:34:35 am
I saw it was signed in several places as A1 and that was the obvious place to split. I left the files you made alone, hence why the E-W road isn't one route.

Looking further, I think the Stuart Hwy portion is almost entirely signed as A1, so I'm going to investigate further.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on March 18, 2019, 08:59:45 am
Wow. NT and SA A3 look especially useless for the designation.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on March 22, 2019, 09:10:19 pm
AUSWA N94 has a bad trace in the Coolgardie area.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on March 25, 2019, 09:38:54 am
Code: [Select]
ABORTING due to 7 errors:
1: Could not find Route matching root austas.n001hob in system ausn.
2: No roots in _con.csv line [ausn;N1;;Hobart-Lauriceston, TAS;austas.n001hob]
3: Could not find Route matching root austas.n001bur in system ausn.
4: No roots in _con.csv line [ausn;N1;;Lauriceston-Burnie, TAS;austas.n001bur]
5: Check FAILED: 49485 routes != 49483 connected route roots.
6: route austas.n001 not matched by any connected route root.
7: route austas.n001lau not matched by any connected route root.

ausn_con.csv
ausn;N1;;Hobart-Lauriceston, TAS;austas.n001hob
->
ausn;N1;;Hobart-Lauriceston, TAS;austas.n001

ausn;N1;;Lauriceston-Burnie, TAS;austas.n001bur
->
ausn;N1;;Lauriceston-Burnie, TAS;austas.n001lau
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on March 25, 2019, 12:03:10 pm
I've fixed that issue locally. It seems the commenting out was done locally at all, hence why the master copy doesn't have it, breaking checks.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on March 25, 2019, 12:17:43 pm
Now pulled the fix in (after checking) - it works and can be pulled into personal branches to perform checks.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on March 27, 2019, 05:10:23 am
Hmm, does it matter that N1 in Tasmania is a T-route, intersecting with itself just south of downtown Lauriceton? Coupled with both routes being of similar length, it's why I didn't set one or the other as the 'main' segment.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on March 27, 2019, 05:38:41 am
We can change it back to that, but precedent elsewhere here is that you have a long route and a short spur rather than two roughly similar lengths.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on September 09, 2019, 09:32:08 pm
Here's a first batch of peer review comments on ausm to start with.

AUS-ACT M23:
- B52/B23 -> B23_S (B52 is not signed in this area)
- relocate LimeKilnRd to halfway between RIROs

AUS-NSW M1Bal:
- NSW2 -> B2? This is a short connector to QLD2. QLD retains the old SR system while NSW has converted to B instead. But it is signed with an SR shield.
- PacHwy -> SexHillDr
- ClotCreRd -> CloCreRd
- WilfSt -> WilSt
- T40_S -> T28/40
- T28/T30 -> B62/30 (T28 is not signed here, B62 is - only use higher level designator)
- BanRd -> T24/28

AUS-NSW M1Woo:

- despite being motorway grade this is all signed as A1. Join with A1Gra and A1Cof.

AUS-NSW M1Haw:
- Combine B83_N and A49 into A49/83 (one point per interchange)
- NSW33 -> T33
- B83_MW -> B83_Mou
- B83_Haw could use recentering
- More shaping points will be needed along segment paralelling B83 to prevent the two from crossing where they don't once ausb is drafted.
- B83_S -> B83_Ber
- Informational note: freeway construction is underway extending south. Not sure if will be numbered M1 or not.

AUS-NSW M1Kem:
- despite being motorway grade this is all signed as A1. Join with A1Eun and A1Bul.

AUS-NSW M1SHB:
- not signed as M1, delete route (or move to an aussf system?)

AUS-NSW M1Syd:
- recheck north end. Interchange with M2 convoluted. Unclear from signage where exactly M1 begins/ends.
- M1SHB_N -> CahExpy_N
- M1SHB_S -> CahExpy_S
- remove BridgSt (no access to/from M1 here, only to/from CahExpy)
- remove ArtGalRd (no access here)
- combine BotRd and MillPondRd (one point per interchange)
- ForeRd -> ForRd
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on September 12, 2019, 10:36:56 am
Here's a first batch of peer review comments on ausm to start with.

AUS-ACT M23:
- relocate LimeKilnRd to halfway between RIROs
You mean LILOs!  ;)

Quote
AUS-NSW M1Bal:
- NSW2 -> B2? This is a short connector to QLD2. QLD retains the old SR system while NSW has converted to B instead. But it is signed with an SR shield.
I'm going to say it's QLD2 extending over the boundary.

Quote
AUS-NSW M1Kem:
- despite being motorway grade this is all signed as A1. Join with A1Eun and A1Bul.
- on the route its signed as M1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.2157939,152.823761,3a,31.4y,165.68h,87.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szPIDBEvScMx-dAEsXodxHw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), but otherwise A1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.1279607,152.8278983,3a,48.2y,199.28h,85.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDLDOhw_85IXNvHBVOgNvhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Holding off for now, pending further investigation (ditto N end of Sydney section).
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on September 14, 2019, 06:29:37 pm
AUS-ACT M23:
- relocate LimeKilnRd to halfway between RIROs
You mean LILOs!  ;)

Er... yes, that would be how that works wouldn't it.

Funny thing about countries that drive on the opposite side of the road from what I'm used to - my brain tends to want to adapt to this by simply mirroring the definitions of left and right, since this is easier than having to re-conceptualize the significance of every instance of either word.

This works great in my head, but it makes communicating concepts of relative direction to others challenging.

Anyway, moving on...

Quote
N end of Sydney section

As I've had time to think about it a little more I think the endpoint is correct as mapped, because it makes M1 continuous with A1, and that's how routes in Australia seem to work - the same number will run for an entire corridor but change classification where warranted.
The location of the M1/M2 junction probably needs to move east to where the carriageways join though.

And here's batch 2 of comments.


AUS-NSW M1Kem:

If kept in ausm the following applies:
- NSW12/14 -> T12/14
- MacValWay_N -> T12_S
- MacValWay_S -> MacVlyWay
- NSW10 -> T10


AUS-NSW M1Uru:

- despite being motorway grade this is all signed as A1. Join with A1Eun and A1Cof

AUS-NSW M1Wol:
- combine NorAve and UniAve (one point per interchnge)
- 5IslRd -> FiveIslRd

AUS-NSW M2:
- check east end (see also comment on M1Syd)
- A2/A40 -> A2/40

AUS-NSW M4:
- combine ConRd and A4/44 (one point per interchange)

AUS-NSW M5:
- M7/M31 -> M7/31

AUS-NSW M7:
- M5/M31 -> M5/31

AUS-NSW M15:
- OK

AUS-NSW M31:
- Some drama going on with exit numbering on this road. It appears exit numbers 1-12 were added to the route in ~2016, as a sort of pilot project perhaps. Then, in April 2018 the exit numbers south of exit 6 were removed. This is generally corroborated by looking at GMSV imagery from different dates, and is also noted in this thread on the Aussie Highways Newsgroup: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/aussie-highways/2y5W7_vnKHU
So in terms of point labeling that gives us:
   - M5/M7 -> 1
   - A28 -> 2
   - CamRd_Cas -> 2A
   - BroRd -> 3
   - CamRd_Ing -> 4
   - RabRd and CamRd_Woo -> 5 (numbered exit and one point per interchange)
   - A9 -> 6
   - 7 -> B88
   - 8 -> AvonDamRd
   - 9 -> T12_Yan
   - 10 -> T12_Col
   - 11 -> B73
   - 12 -> OldHumeHwy_Wel
- OldHumeHwy -> OldHumeHwy_Ber
- add point for interchange at Sally's Corner Rd (south of A48)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on September 14, 2019, 06:47:37 pm
- NSW12/14 -> T12/14
- A2/A40 -> A2/40
- M7/M31 -> M7/31
- M5/M31 -> M5/31
From The Manual (http://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php)
Quote
Drop the prefix of the second highway if it is more than one character long. A5/A6 becomes A5/A6. I-5/I-6 becomes I-5/6. I-25/US50 becomes I-25/50.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on October 05, 2019, 12:42:19 am
Just had a look at ausvic.m001.
Why does it have 1(E) and 1(W) style labels, rather than E1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-37.8281156,144.9872919,3a,19.1y,319.4h,100.58t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1spKsFhmhsvRbtsLiAzbflFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i40) and W1 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-37.8271858,144.9631211,3a,18.6y,50.97h,99.28t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sDxngbFuTqgDri3vMBKJmRw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i40)?
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on October 05, 2019, 04:45:37 am
I don't know why they have them, but I can tell you that they still have them because I didn't change them when I took the route 1 routes and cleaned them up a little and added other routes.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on October 05, 2019, 05:46:34 am
I used E1 and W1 when I drafted the route.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on October 05, 2019, 08:42:51 am
You're right. I remember changing them now. Don't remember why! Will change back.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on October 05, 2019, 10:59:29 am
Lol, OK!
I haven't looked at any other routes; dunno if others do anything similar.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on October 05, 2019, 04:43:34 pm
M1 in Queensland is the only other route that has more than one exit series; while I left the Bruce Motorway numbers without a (x) suffix, I put all the Pacific Motorway in (P) suffix.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on October 07, 2019, 07:54:01 pm
M1 in Queensland is the only other route that has more than one exit series; while I left the Bruce Motorway numbers without a (x) suffix, I put all the Pacific Motorway in (P) suffix.

Was actually the subject of the next batch of commentary I had started working on, but had paused because I've been entangled in other things the past few weeks. Might as well share this now:

AUS-QLD M1:
- 84(P), 85(P), and 85A(P) can be combined into two points or maybe even one
- combine 71(P) and 71A(P), one point per interchange
- combine 28(P) and 28A(P), recenter over Grandis St overpass
- the (G) and (B) suffixes can be removed - there is only actually one set of exit numbers between these two, and it's clearly the longer and thus more "main" section compared to the (P) numbers.
- also opening the question on what the remaining suffix should be. Precedent from I-87 in NY suggests (PM) might be more appropriate than (P). Precedent from zafn suggests (S) for South.
- combine 112(G) and 112A(G), one point per interchange
- 122(G) -> *122. The access point here closed a few years ago.
- 138(B) needs recentering
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on October 18, 2019, 08:09:54 pm
AUS-QLD M2:
- add point for interchange at Pine Mountain Rd (east of QLD38)
- WarRd -> WatRd (or KhoRd based on what exit is signed as)
- add point for interchange at Francis St (west of QLD37)
- 34 -> RivRd (exit number is not signed)
- 33 -> M15 (exit number is not signed)
- 1 -> 86

AUS-QLD M3:
- WLD32 -> QLD32
- MusRd -> QLD31

AUS-QLD M3Bal:
- OK

AUS-QLD M4:
- OK

AUS-QLD M5:
-GleRossRd -> GlenRossRd

AUS-QLD M6:
-OK

AUS-QLD M7:
- OK

AUS-QLD M7Bri:
- extend east to exit at The Boulevard, it is signed as M7 to this point.

AUS-QLD M15:
- BriRd -> 33
- Combine AbeSt with BriRd/33 (one point per interchange)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on October 24, 2019, 07:02:28 pm
AUS-SA M1:
- MtLofSumRd -> SumRd
- MtBarRd -> B34
- SwaRd -> B35

AUS-SA M2:
- OK

AUS-SA M2Ade:
- Move ManSt up to A7 for graph connection
- add new point at south end of freeway, make M2/A2 changeover here

AUS-SA M2Noa:
- OK

AUS-VIC M1:
- no exit numbers are signed west of W19 so points W36 through W20 all need to be renamed
- W35A needs coord sync with A10 for graph connection
- combine W27A and W27B (one point per interchange)
- remove W prefix from W19 through W11, these exits are signed as just 19 through 11. Suggest using parenthetical suffix instead e.g. "11(W)"
- CreSt can be removed, this is not functionally a separate access point from E2
- combine E3B, E3A, and E3 (one point per interchange)
- remove E prifix from E8 through E24, these exits are signed as just 8 through 24.
- no exit numbers are signed east of E24 so points E25 through E31 all need to be renamed

AUS-VIC M1Mbt:
- it's an odd configuration in general but... is this actually a separate road? I would treat this as a one-way pair, since it functionally is. Eastbound traffic uses the Burnley tunnel, Westbound traffic follows the old alignment along the river and then uses the shorter Domain Tunnel.

AUS-VIC M1Win:
- is signed through Winchelesea in spite of the surface alignment. Extend and combine with main A1 segment

AUS-VIC M2:
- OK

AUS-VIC M3:
- no exit numbers are posted in field. All points will need to be relabeled.

AUS-VIC M8:
- add a point at Black Bottom Rd or Modesty Ln to break up the long visibile distance between TraRd and C805_W
- there are no signed exit numbers on this road, so points 1 through 10 need to be relabeled.

AUS-VIC M8Bea:
- OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on October 25, 2019, 02:59:57 am
The E3 points were seperated to account for the eastbound Burnley Tunnel lanes joining in to the mainline. And while nominally I'd agree with this being a one way couplet pairing and treating it as such, I decided on the split files because of the interchanges on the Domain Tunnel side, and of the non-M1 eastbound lanes running along side the M1's westbound carriageway.

If there is indeed no exit numbers on the ground for W19 to W36 despite what OSM shows, they should be renamed, however, just to keep the exits absolutely clear, I think that the rest of the numbers should retain their E or W prefixes and not switch to suffixes midstream.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on October 25, 2019, 05:36:23 am
- combine W27A and W27B (one point per interchange)
This is 2 separate interchanges with no way between them on surface roads.

The other stuff I've done, save for the stuff Bickenden talks about on the M1 in Melbourne - namely the split routes, and keeping the Exx and Wxx numbers even though they are just xx numbers - wanting further discussion. I've merged exit E3 to one point.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on October 26, 2019, 08:28:16 pm
Are the C Roads something that [cw]ould theoretically be mapped?
If not I'd be inclined to go for 1 point.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on October 29, 2019, 07:09:33 pm
Are the C Roads something that [cw]ould theoretically be mapped?
If not I'd be inclined to go for 1 point.

I think this makes sense, actually. If we're going to map the C-roads, then 2 points are needed to avoid graph connecting routes that do not physically connect.

If not, then there's no functional need. Sure, the destinations of the ramps have no surface connection, but they leave/depart the freeway in the same location, so from the perspective of how much of M1 has a user clinched... it's the same either way.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on November 01, 2019, 07:20:27 pm
AUS-VIC M11:
- exit numbers above 19 are not signed, points 20 to 23 will need relabeling
- 23 also needs recentering

AUS-VIC M31:
- C529 -> MelRd (C529 is not signed)
- McKoySt ->McKSt
- No exit numbers are signed, so points 7 to 1 will need relabeling

AUS-VIC M39:
- OK

AUS-VIC M79:
- No exit numbers are signed, so points 1 to 16 will need relabeling
- CarCenRd -> SprRd
- Move M79/A79 changeover to A790

AUS-VIC M80:
- No exit numbers are signed south of 6, so points 1 to 4 will need relabeling
- No exit numbers are signed east of 16, so points 17 to 22 will need relabeling

AUS-VIC M420:
- No exit numbers are signed, so points 1 to 5 will need relabeling
- TorStaRd -> TooStaRd
- C431 -> McDTrk
- WesRd -> C431
- KentRd -> GurSHRd

AUS-VIC M780:
- 5 -> M420
- move M780/A780 changeover point south to HallRd


This concludes the peer review for ausm, so once all issues are addressed the system can be activated.

Also, bonus! Here is the peer review for the entirety of ausr, since this was easy to knock off quickly:

AUS-SA R1
- A6 -> SirDBDr (side note for ausa: A6's eastern end is at A2)
- StLewCohAve -> SirLCAve
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on November 02, 2019, 07:40:32 am
This concludes the peer review for ausm, so once all issues are addressed the system can be activated.
Excellent.
Quote
AUS-SA R1
- A6 -> SirDBDr (side note for ausa: A6's eastern end is at A2)
- StLewCohAve -> SirLCAve
I've dropped the knighthoods to amplify their names: DonBraDr and LewCohAve. They were given roads for the same reason as their knighthoods (the best ever cricketer by a considerable margin, and long-term Mayor of Adelaide respectively).
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on November 02, 2019, 08:58:49 am
Do we really wanna have a system with one (short) route only? http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?r=aussa.r001
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Markkos1992 on November 02, 2019, 10:11:21 am
Do we really wanna have a system with one (short) route only? http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?r=aussa.r001

We already have that with DC 295 (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?units=miles&u=markkos1992&r=dc.dc295) in usadc.  I am sure no one supports removing that from the HB.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on November 02, 2019, 10:17:47 am
Do we really wanna have a system with one (short) route only? http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?r=aussa.r001

We already have that with DC 295 (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?units=miles&u=markkos1992&r=dc.dc295) in usadc.  I am sure no one supports removing that from the HB.

I don't wanna remove it but wanna avoid that we get many tiny systems. I'm not familar with Australia and don't know whether there are similar routes at all. aussf is not an option since it's not a freeway.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on November 02, 2019, 12:43:49 pm
Arguably the bannered routes could go in the main systems, and arguably this is a bannered route of the A1.

We can always make a decision later, adding the R1 to another system.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on November 17, 2019, 12:52:14 pm
Moving on down the list to ausa...

AUS-ACT A23:
- OK

AUS-ACT A25:
- OK

AUS-NSW A1Bul:
- KooWa -> KooWay
- CarRd -> HunRd
- RichRd -> RicRd

AUS-NSW A1Cha:
- Short segment "north" of B83 is signed as part of A28.
- B83_S -> B83
- EasRd -> RohSt

AUS-NSW A1Cof:
- T26 -> MacSt
- GraDr -> SolIslWay_Eme

AUS-NSW A1She:
- B65_S -> B65
- PriHwy_Bom -> QuaRd
- NSW9_Kia -> T9_Kia
- could use a couple shaping points between WeirSt and RoseValRd
- NSW7_Ber -> T7_Ber
- +X838 needs to be converted to visible point for B73
- NorRd -> NorSt
- NSW4 -> IslPtRd
- LakeConEntRd -> LakeCorRd
- DolPntRd -> DolPtRd
- NSW7_Bat -> T7_Bat
- NSW7_Mor -> T7_Mor
- HecMcWilDr -> HecMcWDr
- NSW5_N -> T5_N
- NSW5_S -> T5_S
- RivDr_N -> RivDr
- RivDr_S -> DavSt
- NSW9_Ako -> T9_Ako
- NSW9_Pam -> T9_Pam
- NSW/VCT -> NSW/VIC

AUS-NSW A1Syd:
PreAve -> PreAve_E
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on November 18, 2019, 04:06:44 am


AUS-NSW A1Cha:
- Short segment "north" of B83 is signed as part of A28.

Making M1 and A1 discontinuous right there?
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on November 18, 2019, 04:29:23 am
Making M1 and A1 discontinuous right there?
Think of it as two short spurs to the A28 that we're treating as mainlines as it's easier.

And it's all going to change when NorthConnex opens next year.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on November 18, 2019, 06:19:09 pm
It's worth noting that if you follow the motorway to its stub end, you are forced to turn left onto southbound A28. A right turn, which would be necessary to get to southbound A1 from there, is not allowed. So to have M1 and A1 actually be continuous you need to either have them both end at the point where Pacific Highway and pacific Motorway cross (leaving the connections to A28/B83 unmapped), or treat the whole thing as one big junction.

Neither is really an ideal solution. But there's no hard rule that says M1 and A1 have to be perfectly continuous. So, clipping off the last segment of A1 that is currently mapped as concurrent with A28 and allowing the two to be discontinuous is what is most consistent with the signage present.

Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on November 24, 2019, 05:55:27 pm
AUS-NSW A2:
- OK

AUS-NSW A3:
- could use a couple more shaping points around the north end
- remove A44 point (no direct connection available, only overpass)
- relocate MarRd point to center of interchange
- JunoPar -> JunoPde? ("Pde" is the official abbreviation of "Parade": https://meteor.aihw.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/270020)

AUS-NSW A4:
- M1 -> CahExp
- TheCre -> TheCres? (official abbreviation for "Crescent")
- add a point for WestConnext tunnel ramps (east of FreSt)
- GtNorRd -> GreNorRd

AUS-NSW A6:
- KisPntRd -> KisPtRd

AUS-NSW A8:
- OK

AUS-NSW A9:
- note construction around West Sydney Airport site. This section will need revision once realignment opens.
- M1 -> M31

AUS-NSW A15:
- LonSt -> T7
- OllSt -> T17
- OConRd -> OCoRd? Assuming that O'Blah should be treated the same as McBlah minus the apostraphe.
- DukeSt -> T19/T21
- GooGooRd -> GooGooRd_N

AUS-NSW A15New:
- OK

AUS-NSW A20:
- OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on November 25, 2019, 05:48:44 am
- remove A44 point (no direct connection available, only overpass)
- relocate MarRd point to center of interchange
It does seem strangely signed like that. I was treating it as two interchanges that overlapped, it seems to be treated as one weird one and so I'll implement the changes.

It is signed, unambiguously as A3 from the A44. I believe Marlborough Road to be part of the A3 (though signage says different things different years) in the form of ramps, auxiliary carriageways or something. Thus I'm not changing that point.
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- JunoPar -> JunoPde? ("Pde" is the official abbreviation of "Parade": https://meteor.aihw.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/270020)
- TheCre -> TheCres? (official abbreviation for "Crescent")
- GtNorRd -> GreNorRd
Are we using countries' specific abbreviations? The only place I gather we are using non-US abbreviations is Quebec. Everywhere else is either US ones, or the truncate to three letters default for everything.

Also, 'Gt' is the standard abbreviation for Great in Australia (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-australia-western-australia-on-the-great-northern-highway-north-of-47406883.html), England (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7055654,-0.7043006,3a,75y,297.21h,86.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXSzySKqT5sgtRrokI1wE3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) and the like. If we enlarge Cre to Cres, we should shrink Gre to Gt.

Currently I've kept Par, Cre, and changed to Gre.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on November 25, 2019, 11:32:07 am
Are we using countries' specific abbreviations? The only place I gather we are using non-US abbreviations is Quebec. Everywhere else is either US ones, or the truncate to three letters default for everything.

Quoth the manual:
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Abbreviate the generic road type (Rd for Road, Blvd for Boulevard, etc.) if it's one of the very common types. Otherwise, use the first three letters: Uli for Ulica.

This is of course open to interpretation as to what constitutes "one of the very common types". I would tend to want to favor standard abbreviations in cases where an English-language standard abbreviation exists.

Note though that there is no specific rule that it be the US abbreviation. Indeed we already deviate from USPS standards by using "Tpk" instead of "Tpke" (though both are in common use in the US).

Regarding the two specific generics at hand here:
- There is no US-standard abbreviation for "Parade". "Pde" is the Australian standard.
- "Cres" is the standard abbreviation for Crescent both in Australia and in the US.

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Also, 'Gt' is the standard abbreviation for Great in Australia (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-australia-western-australia-on-the-great-northern-highway-north-of-47406883.html), England (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7055654,-0.7043006,3a,75y,297.21h,86.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXSzySKqT5sgtRrokI1wE3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) and the like. If we enlarge Cre to Cres, we should shrink Gre to Gt.

A slightly different issue since "Great" is a word in the road name, not the generic suffix. Nonetheless, there is precedent for using standard abbreviations in the road name ("Cyn", "Crk", "Mt", etc.), so... fair point.

Come to think of it I'm pretty sure I've seen "Gt" used as an abbreviation for "Great" even here in the US, it just rarely comes up since use of that word in formal names is far less common.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on November 25, 2019, 11:38:17 am
Note though that there is no specific rule that it be the US abbreviation.
True, but I'm pretty sure I was told to just do three letters for road types in France, rather than use their abbrevs, and our source for abbrevs was the USPS (though there are exceptions from that).
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on November 25, 2019, 01:42:20 pm
changed to Gre.

Gt is also currently used 11x in ENG, NZL and SCT:

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/search?q=gt&unscoped_q=gt (please ignore chm_final)

btw: I respect the US abbreviations like Rd, St, Fry,... but I generally prefer the 3-letter default rule*  We might add a list with exceptions to our manual !?

*Rte for canmbw route names is another story - I have no strong feeling here...
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on November 25, 2019, 03:13:35 pm
I think if we respect USPS standard abbreviations for the United States, it only makes sense to allow similar in other countries.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on November 30, 2019, 04:56:51 pm
AUS-NSW A22:
- should east end be at Abercrombie St? Note that at Harris/Regent the cross street is simply "Broadway": https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8826771,151.2014896,3a,52.5y,146h,103.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssIWBs9DZQkjtgjzFwJiVdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
But from Abercrombie A22 is mentioned, going west only: https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8852554,151.1986749,3a,35.8y,345.25h,103.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sho57CWVWBFt6XwociQQT0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
- LivRd -> TheBlvd (could also use a shaping point west of here)

AUS-NSW A25:
-McIntCir -> McICir

AUS-NSW A28:
- OK

AUS-NSW A32:
- LauMall -> LeuMall
- JenCavRd -> T1_E
- LitSt -> T1_W
- GilSt -> T3
- add point at Burrendong Way in Orange for T5_S
- BurWay -> T5_N
- WhiWay -> YouSt (could also use a recenter)
- CanRd -> RosRd
- NSW10 -> BelRd

AUS-NSW A34:
- OK

AUS-NSW A36:
- OK

AUS-NSW A37:
- OK

AUS-NSW A38:
- OK

AUS-NSW A39:
- could use a shaping point near the north end (or a visible point at GunWay) to keep trace on NSW side of state border
- DalSt -> T1_N
- TooRd -> T1_S
- JugRd -> JugLn
- WirRd needs to be recentered
- MntTalRd -> MtTalRd

AUS-NSW A40:
- KisPntRd -> KisPtRd
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 01, 2019, 07:17:07 pm
So, regarding the status of Northern Territory routes... Google Maps may still show a mismosh of the old and new systems, and OSM may not really help clarify anything by showing only numbers with no prefixes of any sort. But, I don't think "mishmosh" is really the current reality on the ground. Wherever there is Street View imagery from within the last ~5 years shows, the old system is rarely still in place.

Ergo, some things within NT are going to need to be shuffled around. For many of the less major roads, new signage simply refers to them by name only and does not give them a number at all... though it's possible some of these weren't signed to begin with.

Here's what I've found for the various routes that are labeled Nxx or NTxx within the HB:
- N1 -> part of A1
- N66 -> as of November 2018 is inconsistently signed as either N66 or NT66. Probably leave this alone for now.
- N80 -> C80 at west end, not signed at east end
- N87 -> A87
- N96 -> B96

- NT2 -> not signed
- NT3 -> ? (no recent street view)
- NT4 -> ? (no recent street view)
- NT5 -> ? (no recent street view)
- NT6 -> not signed
- NT8 -> ? (no recent street view)
- NT11 -> ? (no recent street view)
- NT12 -> ? (no recent street view)
- NT14 -> ? (no recent street view)
- NT16 -> not signed
- NT20 -> B20
- NT21 -> A21 at south end, B21 at north end
- NT23 -> not signed at south end or in middle, signed as just "23" with no prefix or shield at north end. Okay.... probably leave this one out.
- NT24 -> not signed
- NT28 -> not signed
- NT30 -> not signed
- NT34 -> B34
- NT36 -> A36


Also, while I'm here....

AUS-NSW A41:
- MntMacRd -> MtMacRd
- PorMntRd -> PorMtRd
- +X417313 could be replaced by a visible point at Bendick Murrell Rd
- in Young and Cootamundra, the route makes a couple turns that are not points, but other nearby intersections are points. Matter of opinion but I'd suggest the places where the route turns should be the first place points go.

AUS-NSW A43:
- NewEndHwy_W -> NewEngHwy_W
- MaiRd -> CesRd
- PitRd -> MelSt
- B63_N, B63_S, and B63 need to be relabeled so all have some suffix. Either A, B, C or location based.

AUS-NSW A44:
- GipSt could use a recentering

AUS-NSW A48:
- TerSr -> T8_E
- JamMtnRd -> T9
- CaaSt -> T15_Rob
- add T8/T15 point at Pearsons Lane
- NowRd -> T15_MosE
- ArgSt -> T15_Mos
- WalSt -> WaiSt

AUS-NSW A49:
- GriClo -> GriRd
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 02, 2019, 09:20:53 am
AUS-NSW A22:
- should east end be at Abercrombie St? Note that at Harris/Regent the cross street is simply "Broadway": https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8826771,151.2014896,3a,52.5y,146h,103.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssIWBs9DZQkjtgjzFwJiVdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
But from Abercrombie A22 is mentioned, going west only: https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8852554,151.1986749,3a,35.8y,345.25h,103.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sho57CWVWBFt6XwociQQT0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
A22 is signed eastbound on mainline at Wattle/Abercrombie: https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8842611,151.197182,3a,49.4y,92.02h,93.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYUxtA2GuLhv6hhEWcipjQA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on December 12, 2019, 01:24:44 pm
AUS-VIC A10 has endpoints at M1(27) and M1(35)
For AUS-VIC M1, OSM shows exit numbers west of W19. I haven't checked to see if these are signed.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 17, 2019, 06:45:52 pm
For AUS-VIC M1, OSM shows exit numbers west of W19. I haven't checked to see if these are signed.

GMSV says 19 is the highest signed exit number heading west. I checked this when I was QCing ausm. Imagery is from February 2018 so it's possible this has changed within the past 22 months, but we have no confirmation of this.



At any rate, any thoughts on moving/adding routes in the Northern Territory as I described above? I've paused my review of ausa until this is addressed because it needs to be firmed up which routes need reviewing.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 18, 2019, 04:41:11 am
I probably won't be able to look into NT until January. There's Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania that could still be reviewed in the meantime without this issue needing to be dealt with (if you have time).

I've fixed the Victoria issue that yakra raised by relabeling the A10 points with directional suffixes.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on January 10, 2020, 08:07:54 am
Here's what I've found for the various routes that are labeled Nxx or NTxx within the HB:
- N1 -> part of A1
Where?

I've been unable to find any A1 signs on it. Apparently it's meant to become B1 and C1. Leaving as N1 for now.
Quote
- NT21 -> A21 at south end, B21 at north end
There's one A21 sign, with everything else being either NH21 (green+gold shields), NT21 (blue+white shields) or B21 - calling it B21, which is what it seems to have been allocated.

It really doesn't help that NT is doing a rolling replacement of signs (so only when they are replaced), meaning slow implementation of the new system. This is avoided by any route being seen to have an alphanumeric sign gets an alphanumeric number. However it does mean that on the ground info is often unhelpful - which when coupled to being really remote (2 urban areas of any notable size - Darwin being 150k and Alice Springs 25k and the other 75k being spread out over the rest of this Alaska-sized area) means that there's little local knowledge, few trip photos and GSV is justifiably lazy at covering it frequently and when stuff like the future C1 is an unpaved road in the middle of nowhere, comprehensively is a tall ask!
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on January 10, 2020, 08:19:15 pm
Here's what I've found for the various routes that are labeled Nxx or NTxx within the HB:
- N1 -> part of A1
Where?

I've been unable to find any A1 signs on it. Apparently it's meant to become B1 and C1. Leaving as N1 for now.

At the junction with 87, this appears to say A1 pointing east. (https://www.google.com/maps/@-16.3072665,133.3848785,3a,15y,334.64h,88.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snliJsnrMds_frYpH4MO1tA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Of course this could easily be a similar situation as with 21 - likely just the government failing to be consistent with what's A vs. B vs. C. I get the sense that numerical route designations in NT are rather an afterthought. The government's own website (https://roadreport.nt.gov.au/home) makes no mention of route numbers at all and refers to roads strictly by name.

I'm fine with leaving this as N1 until further info is available. That said I will also note that I am unable to locate a primary source for what the road is "meant to become" - I can only find a couple (http://www.ozroads.com.au/NT/routenumbering/alpha/alphas.htm) hobby sites (http://www.expressway.online/gallery/roads/nt/numbered/alphanumeric/index.html) from Australian roadgeeks discussing the alphanumeric system for NT and neither of them has any citations.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on March 23, 2020, 08:41:32 pm
Getting back on this horse. Leaving NT aside for now, tackling QLD instead.

AUS-QLD A1:
- general note: there are some pretty long sections between visible points where crossroads do exist. Consider adding points
- QLD25_E -> QLD25
- CaiRd -> DraRd
- ElAriMisBeaRd -> CasDr
- TulMisBeaRd -> TulMBRd (per waypoint labeling guidelines)
- IngHalBerRd -> IngHBRd
- JaneSt -> PalTer
- A6 -> QLD17
- PortAccRd -> A6
- QueSt -> QueSt_N
- LowDonRd needs recentering
- GreCanValRd -> GreCVRd
- QLD6 -> ShuHarRd (no signage for QLD 6 here)
- MirMtOssaRd -> MirMORd
- MtOssaSeaRd -> MOSeaRd
- ManHamRd -> MarHamRd
- StLawConRd -> StLawRd
- RocYepRd -> T10
- MooCreRd -> MooCreRd_N
- DerSt -> DenSt
- GeoSt -> GeoSt_N
- QLD16_Mir -> LarSt (no signage for QLD 16 here)
- GinGinMtPerRd -> QLD12
- WillSt -> T12_N
- QL86 -> QLD86
- QL57 -> QLD57/T12
- FraRd -> T40_N
- TinCanBayRd -> QLD15/T40

AUS-QLD A2:
- QLD76 -> GDCamRd (QLD 76 is not signed)
- there are signs for an ALT A2 in Winton. Add to ausab?
- QLD79 -> N79? (signed with white shield rather than blue)
- AmbyWalSt -> AmbyWalRd
- A55 needs recentering
- combine GatHeiRd and LawRd (one point per interchange)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on April 05, 2020, 08:51:53 pm
AUS-QLD A3:
- LisSt -> QLD69
- add point for QLD12 at http://www.openstreetmap.org/-25.09484/151.22891
- MPGayRd needs recentering
- SaaRd -> QLD68
- QLD41 -> T41
- WarSt -> T11

AUS-QLD A3Bri:
- GypRd_N -> GymRd_N

AUS-QLD A4:
- CleAlphRd -> QLD41

AUS-QLD A5:
- QLD7 -> FitDelRd
- appears it may continue south concurrent with A39 to Boundary Rd/Barwion Hwy intersection. Signs at northern junction state this and QTOPO map also shows it (at some zoom levels?): http://qtopo.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mobile/
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: charliezeb on April 19, 2020, 05:42:26 pm
Very minor point, but the spur of Tasmania N1 that's its own page { austas.n001lau } should read Launceston. (It currently reads Lauriceston.) No other adjustment needed, but the name of the town was typed wrong.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: ua747sp on May 20, 2020, 01:45:14 am
Drove from Uluru to Coober Pedy and back in December last year. Unfortunately most sign pictures I have were from SA, not NT. As with the rest of outback Australia, I recall all paved roads being posted with route numbers, though the locals referred to them by name. IIRC there was a change in numbering when crossing the SA/NT border. In SA, it was numbered "A87" on signs, so that would make it N87 or just 87 in the NT, though I don't remember which one it was or whether it was both. Photos from my April 2010 drive through the NT show all highways being numbered without prefixes. In the Outback it seems numbers come and go, but names are forever.

IIRC NT-4 was labeled exclusively as just 4, and I don't recall seeing any "B4" on any signage. No data to add on what is "supposed to come." Only a confirmation that this was numbered, but I suspect GSV could tell you that too.
Title: AUS-WA: realigned N1 and N95 north of Perth?
Post by: neroute2 on August 07, 2020, 09:19:31 pm
Does anyone know if N1 has been realigned at Muchea? N95 had at least a small change when the WA4 freeway was extended north.
Title: Re: AUS-WA: realigned N1 and N95 north of Perth?
Post by: michih on August 08, 2020, 02:20:32 am
System still in preview. Merging.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on November 15, 2020, 08:23:46 pm
AUS-QLD A5Spr:
- OK

AUS-QLD A6:
- QLD84_N -> WelDevRd (QLD 84 not signed anywhere north of A6)
- QLD84_S -> QLD84
- QLD62_S -> SwaSt
- need new point at Mowbray St for QLD62_S (signs have it routed as OSM shows)
- PortAccRd -> StuDr

AUS-QLD A7:
- "Fra" should be moved a bit north or south, to one of the two intersections leading to Frankfield
- QLD70 -> QLD70_E
- CleConRd -> QLD70_W
- KorRd -> KooRd

AUS-QLD A7Bri:
- remove QLD48 point - this route is not signed and by 1PPI this can be lumped in with QLD20 point immediately north

AUS-QLD A15:
- add point at Yangan Road in Warwick for T1_N
- VicSt -> T11
- N42 -> N42_W
- BraRd -> T1_S
- McKosDr -> T3_N
- Remove TagRd - this is an overpass with no connection
- add point for T3_S at south end of Granite Belt Dr

AUS-QLD A17:
- WivPocRd needs to be moved a bit to the south (looks like intersection was realigned)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on November 22, 2020, 12:17:18 pm
AUS-TAS N1: right here (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=austas.n001&lat=-41.57214603962293&lon=147.16920375823977&zoom=14)

AUS-VIC M1Mbt -> AUS-VIC M1MBT
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on November 25, 2020, 03:23:28 pm
NT route designations from someone talking to various officials. This is what should be signed, not necessarily what actually is signed. I'm going to make the routes to match that, and call anything that disagrees either outdated or sign errors.

Quote from: u/Opposite_Ad_2996 on reddit
Here's a list:

A1 - Victoria and Stuart Highway (up to Carpentaria Hwy)

A3 - Luritja Road

A4 - Lasseter Highway (Formerly B4)

A15 - Tiger Brennan Drive

A21 - Kakadu Highway from the Stuart Hwy junction to the edge of the park

A36 - Arnhem Highway as Kakadu Highway

A87 - Stuart Highway that's not A1.

B1 - A1 - Borroloola

B6 - Larpinta Dv

B11 - Tablelands Highway

B20 - Roper Highway

B21 - Kakadu Hwy in Kakadu NP

?23 - Dorat Road - Most likely B23 though not confirmed (this is signed as " 23" (https://www.google.com/maps/@-13.2422528,131.1119246,3a,15y,236.41h,91.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIKO0rwDJDmFc1aZg98Z42w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) as if it was A23, B23 or C23. However I'll treat it as NT23 for now)

B30 - Litchfield Park Road, Rum Jungle Road, Batchelor Road

B34 - Cox Peninsula Road

B36 - Arnhem Highway in Kakadu NP

B96 - Buntine Hwy (i know the number is waaaay higher than the others)

C5 - Tanami Road

C12 - Plenty Highway

C16 -

Barkly Stock Route

Tablelands Highway

Calvert Road

C24 - Central Arnhem Road

C80 - Buchanan Highway (Formerly B80)

The others are still in SR's or NH's
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on November 29, 2020, 10:22:23 pm
Alright, that sounds good to me. Will handle NT accordingly.


Per above, AUS-NT A3 and AUS-NT A4 are missing

AUS-NT A15:
- OK

AUS-NT A36:
- OK

AUS-NT A87:
- N80 -> C80 (per above)
- Bunch of points from NT16 on south could use recentering
- NT12 -> C12 (per above)
- NT5 -> C5 (per above)
- NT6 -> B6 (per above)
- B4 -> A4 (per above)
- SA/NT -> NT/SA? (other routes have been done N to S)

AUS-QLD A21 is missing

AUS-QLD A39:
- QLD85 -> MarSt

AUS-QLD A55:
- OK

AUS-QLD A71:

- OK

AUS-QLD A139:
- OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on November 30, 2020, 02:28:56 pm
made the above changes, created a new system for NT's B roads, having made files for them all (not counting those that are still state highways).
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 01, 2020, 12:48:58 am
AUS-NT A3:
- OK

AUS-NT A4:
- OK

AUS-NT A21:
- OK

AUS-QLD A21:
- OK

AUS-SA A1:
- A20 -> A16/A20
- A18 needs a recenter
- remove SymRd (no intersection here anymore)
- B6 -> B64

AUS-SA A1Ade:
- FulRd -> FulRd_S

AUS-SA A1Mtg:

- should name be A1MtG?
- C192 needs a recenter

AUS-SA A1Mur:
- OK

AUS-SA A2:
- needs to be cut back to north end of motorway
(this also means AUS-SA M2Noa needs to be extended - new extension opened Aug 1, 2020)

AUS-SA A3:
- FulRd -> B28

AUS-SA A5:
- OK

AUS-SA A6:
- OK

AUS-SA A7:
- OK

AUS-SA A8:
- TatPar -> RidRd

AUS-SA A9:
- PerDt -> PerDr
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 08, 2020, 01:45:29 pm
All the B roads (NSW (inc ACT), NT, SA, TAS) are now available for preview. At some point I'll deal with State Routes in WA and QLD, though it would help a lot if OSM didn't just tag the number on the shield, without the type of shield*, as Queensland has tourist routes and Metroads that are hard to work out that their aren't state routes from the map (Melbourne, VIC is likewise a little messy there. At least Western Australia uses 3-digit tourist route numbers).

*Could you imagine the US having no Interstate/US/State/County prefixes, but instead just the numbers? Madness!
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on December 08, 2020, 02:57:11 pm
*Could you imagine the US having no Interstate/US/State/County prefixes, but instead just the numbers? Madness!
LOL Texas
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 19, 2020, 01:41:47 am
AUS-SA A10:
- HanRd -> A11

AUS-SA A11:

- GlyRd needs a recenter
- needs to be rerouted to follow Hancock Rd and The Grove Way north of A16 up to A20. This appears to have been a recent change but some of the newest StreetView images available (within the last year) confirm it.

AUS-SA A13:
- OK

AUS-SA A14:
- GraRd should be split into two points since it's two separate intersections

AUS-SA A15:
- DysRd -> DysRd_S

AUS-SA A16:
- In accordance with A11 reroute mentioned above, needs to be extended east along Lower North East Road (former A11) to end at B10.
- Section west/north of A9 junction out to LadyRutDr needs to become part of A9. This is another recent change that StreetView imagery from 2020 confirms.

AUS-SA A17:
- OK

AUS-SA A18:

- OK

AUS-SA A20:
- needs point added at The Grove Way for A11

AUS-SA A22:
- OK

AUS-SA A32:

- OK

AUS-SA A66:
- needs to be moved onto Penola bypass, opened April 2020. Old route through town MAY be designated B66, if OSM is to be believed (I have not found any images or reporting that confirm or refute this)

AUS-SA A87:

- some points could use recentering
- SA/NT -> NT/SA (matching NT A87)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 20, 2020, 05:02:02 pm
AUS-TAS A2:
- OK

AUS-TAS A3:
- HarFarmRd and ThoSt need recentering
- add point for C829

AUS-TAS A4:

- OK, couple shaping points for the big switchback near the east end would be nice but not required

AUS-TAS A4Ele:
- MntEleRd -> MtEleRd, also could use a recenter

AUS-TAS A5:
- TheCre -> ThiCre

AUS-TAS A6:

- points near the south end could use a recenter

AUS-TAS A6Kin:
- OK

AUS-TAS A7:

- add point for C721 (just south of C722_S)
- seems to have a bit of an indeterminus at the north end, specified only as "Greens Beach" without saying where exactly. HB currently has the endpoint where Google Maps shows it... but there is not change in the road there. There IS a pavement change and associated end of curbing where the road curves to run along the actual beach proper, so this may be a better location to put the north end: https://goo.gl/maps/U9kmyB1uJEXYma469

AUS-TAS A8:
- BellBayRd -> C853

AUS-TAS A9:
- points near north end could use recentering

AUS-TAS A10:
- OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 21, 2020, 08:19:56 am
indeterminus
Excellent word!

These are done.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 22, 2020, 01:58:00 am
indeterminus
Excellent word!

Yakra should get the credit for that one.

For some more fuel on the confusion, Tasmanian GIS (https://maps.thelist.tas.gov.au/listmap/app/list/map?bookmarkId=93446) (enable the road centerlines layer) has A7 ending at the Top Road intersection. The lack of pavement change here seems to be explained by the fact that A7 ceases to be state maintained in Beauty Point, so it's all council maintenance throughout Greens Beach regardless of designation. Nonetheless, based on this I'm now thinking Top Road.

Anyway continuing back on the mainland...

AUS-VIC A1:
- MyeSt -> MyerSt
- NSW/VCT -> NSW/VIC

AUS-VIC A1War:
- C152 and C146 need to be recentered
- CorSt -> C155
- CorLakeRd -> C147
- replace C164/C165 with two separate points C164_N and C164_S. Two distinct intersections with short concurrency and C165 does not make it here.
- C156_W and C156_E need to either be swapped or changed to C156_S and C156_N (respectively), depending on which direction C156 is assumed to run (it's kind of diagonal...)
- SurRivGorRd -> SurRivRd or SRGorRd (per labeling guidelines)
- C176/C191 -> C176
- VCT/SA -> VIC/SA

AUS-VIC A8:
- swap labels C222_W and C222_E
- MouElgRd -> MtElgRd (for consistency with how "Mount" is handled elsewhere)
- add point for C226 (just east of VIC/SA)

AUS-VIC A8Bea:
- OK

AUS-VIC A10:
- C118/C136 -> C118/C704

AUS-VIC A20:
- OK

AUS-VIC A39:
- OK

AUS-VIC A79:
- VIC/NSW -> NSW/VIC (for directional consistency)
- ComSt -> C256
- add point for C248
- C261 needs to be split into C261_N and C261_S (two separate intersections)
- C323_S -> C323/C353

AUS-VIC A200:

- C215_W -> C215
- C176/C191 -> C176
- SurRivGorRd -> SurRivRd or SRGorRd (per labeling guidelines)
- per state GIS, south end and changeover to C194 is at Wellington Road overpass, not Cliff Street
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on December 22, 2020, 02:30:47 pm
There are some duplicate labels: https://travelmapping.net/devel/datacheck.php?show=DUPLICATE_LABEL&rg=aus-nt,aus-qld,aus-sa,aus-tas,aus-wa
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 23, 2020, 01:03:56 am
AUS-VIC A300:
- add point for C354 (west of C357)
- PittStRd -> LeaRd
- C323 -> C323/C353
- M79_E -> M79_S ?
- C306 -> NorSt (C306 is not signed per StreetView)
- C305_N -> MacSt (C305 is not signed)
- C805 -> C805_E
- add point C805_W at Sturt St
- C297 -> GraSt (C297 is not signed)
- C305_S -> DruSt (C305 is not signed)
- C142 -> StaSt (C142 is not signed)
- ThoRd -> C136

AUS-VIC A440:

- C435_W -> C453_W
- WooRd -> C451
- BarRd -> C447
- SulHilRd -> SilHillRd

AUS-VIC A780:
- OK

AUS-VIC A790:
- OK

AUS-QLD A1AltCai:
- no signage, delete (point labels on A1 and N1 will need to be adjusted accordingly)

AUS-QLD A2AltCha:
- OK

AUS-QLD A2AltWin:
- OK


So there's ausa and ausab. Both ready for activation once all comments are addressed.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 23, 2020, 07:58:09 am
AUS-QLD A1AltCai:
- no signage, delete (point labels on A1 and N1 will need to be adjusted accordingly)
The only signs for either A1 route in Cairns are at each end. Nov '19 GSV for both. At the south end, the sign points you to the route we have as the Alt route. At the north end, the sign points you as the route we have as the main end.

However I will delete - the northern end shows signs of recent patching to reroute the A1.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on December 24, 2020, 07:07:24 am
Overlanders Way is a disconnected route: https://travelmapping.net/devel/datacheck.php?show=DISCONNECTED_ROUTE
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 24, 2020, 02:20:16 pm
As Santa flies his sleigh over the boiling interior of Australia, I submitted a pull request activating ausa and ausab. It also puts Brisbane's two MetRoads up for preview and makes a decent start on Queensland's state routes.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 25, 2020, 07:48:48 pm
I'm noting that the handful of B roads in ACT have been thrown into ausnswb. Should these not be separated out into ausactb?

On that note...

AUS-ACT B23:
- relocate onto M23 between M23_S and M23_N

AUS-ACT B52:
- not signed, delete

AUS-ACT B52Kow:

- becomes plain B52 with other segment deleted
- add point at Hibernian Road, this appears to be a diverging point for a former B52 alignment that was active as recent as 2009.
- swap ACT/NSW and NSW/ACT points

So ausactb, once separated out as such and those comments are addressed, is ready to go.


Tackling ausn next.

AUS-NT N1:
- OK

AUS-NT N66:
- OK

AUS-QLD N1:
- N84 -> WilDevRd (not N84 and not signed)
- route through Croydon appears incorrect - should just be Sircom Street and Samwell Street.
- ConEinRd -> GreDevRd
- SunSprRd -> SunRd
- OpalSt -> MicaSt
- points between QLD62 and Ravenshoe generally need recentering
- HarRanMemDr -> HarRanDr (per labeling guidelines)
- LonGapHerRd -> LGHerRd or LonGapRd (per labeling guidelines), and needs recenter
- YonKnobRd -> YorKnobRd
- MacBeaAccRd -> MacBeaRd (per labeling guidelines)
- GreSt -> ArtSt

AUS-QLD N13:
- add a point at Brisbane Street in Beaudesrt. This was the former alignment of N13 until within the past few years, anyone who drove it before the bypass opened would have use for this.
- CroLane -> CroLn
- QLD56 -> BouRd (QLD56 is not signed this far west)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 26, 2020, 05:04:24 am
I'm noting that the handful of B roads in ACT have been thrown into ausnswb. Should these not be separated out into ausactb?
No, they share a road numbering scheme. And more than say a couple of cross-border routes like other B roads, the two are formally integrated on M, A and B roads (not T roads).
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: cl94 on December 27, 2020, 12:04:46 am
ACT should be its own thing. Saying ACT should be lumped into NSW is like saying DC 295 is part of MD 295. Sure, they mostly have the same alphanumeric system, but that doesn't mean it's a unified system. Each state is independent.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on December 27, 2020, 01:53:32 am
I'm noting that the handful of B roads in ACT have been thrown into ausnswb. Should these not be separated out into ausactb?
No, they share a road numbering scheme. And more than say a couple of cross-border routes like other B roads, the two are formally integrated on M, A and B roads (not T roads).

What does "formally integrated" mean?

I agree with cl94. If they just have unique numberings and continuous routes over both regions, it is not a unified system and should be split again.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 29, 2020, 12:38:30 am
I don't see it as any sort of formal integration so much as just that all of ACT's numbers match the NSW number that ends at the border. This isn't in and of itself anything special: in most cases in Australia where a route crosses any state line it has the same number on both sides (though it may switch between N/A/B/C). WA achieves 100% match with neighboring states as well. ;)
Furthermore, the name of the system is "New South Wales B Roads"... someone looking for a B road in ACT isn't necessarily going to think to look there with that name.

Personally, I see two reasonable paths here. One is for ausb to be left as all one nationwide system the same as was done with ausm, ausa, and ausn. But if it's going to be split up by state, ACT needs to be split into its own system too for the sake of consistency.



AUS-QLD N42:
- OK

AUS-QLD N46:
- OK

AUS-QLD N79:

- OK

AUS-QLD N83:
- QLD84_W -> WilDevRd_N (since QLD 84 is not signed north of A6)
- QLD84_E -> WilDevRd_S (since QLD 84 is not signed north of A6)
- UruSouRd -> UraSouRd

AUS-TAS N1:

- C316 needs a recenter
- C29 -> C529
- RosRd -> C305_S
- C305 -> C305_N
- C132/189 -> C132/C189 (per labeling guidelines)
- DiaRd -> DialRd

AUS-TAS N1Lau:
- OK

AUS-WA N1:

- 171.31 mile gap between EucTelRd and CocRawRd. Consider adding a couple visible points to shorten, e.g. at Mundrabilla.
- HarRd -> HarRd_S
- RavHeaHauRte_E -> RavHHRte_E or HeaHauRte_E
- HopRavRd -> ColSt
- RavHeaHauRte_W -> RavHHRte_W or HeaHauRte_W
- WA107 -> WA40
- BorBreBayRd -> BBBayRd or BorBreRd
- WA30 -> NorRd
- add point for WA30 junction at wye just north of the roundabout where the old point is (note that per signage WA 30 appears to end at N1, does not extend south of it into town)
- DenMtBarRd -> DenMBRd or MtBarRd
- ManBayRd -> ManBeaRd
- WheCoaRd -> T259_S
- add point for T259_N at Eastbourne Rd
- WigRd -> WilRd
- BroHwy -> T251_S
- GreBoyBroRd -> GreBBRd
- BlaRivDr -> T251_N
- GrimRd -> GriRd
- DonBoyBroRd -> DonBBRd
- BunOutRingRd -> BunORRd or OutRingRd or BunRingRd
- OldCoaRd_N -> T260 (and therefore OldCoaRd_S -> OldCoaRd)
- JohRd needs a recenter
- ForHwy -> WA2_S
- SawRd -> DawRd
- ManRd -> ManRd_W
- EnnAv -> ManRd_E
- SafBayRd -> WA18
- DixRd -> WA22
- PatRd -> PatRd_S
- KwiBeaRd -> T202
- CocRd -> WA12
- SpeAve -> WA14
- WA2 -> WA2/6
- BelSt -> WA55
- WA41 -> KalRd (WA41 ends at WA3 per signage, doesn't extend this far north)
- ChiRd -> T359
- point WA86 needs to be moved north to new junction
- CatRoa -> CatRd
- EneBooRd -> EneCooRd
- TriRd -> TriSt
- AjaKalRd -> T354
- 113.61 mile gap between that point and DenhamRd. Consider adding visible points to shorten.
- WA129 -> WA142
- RoePtSamRd -> PSRoeRd or PtSamRd
- 353.56 mile visible distance between WA138 and BrooHwy. Can definitely add some points in here.
- 136.88 mile visible distance between DerHwy and ForRd_Fit. Could use additional points to shorten gap.
- 106.08 mile visible distance between ForRd_Fit and YiyComRd. There are opportunities to add points.
- WA5 -> TanRd (this road becomes NT5 but does not have a number in WA)
- 193.79 mile visible distance between N96 and VicHwy. There are opportunities to add points.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 29, 2020, 01:50:03 pm
Saying ACT should be lumped into NSW is like saying DC 295 is part of MD 295.
It would be saying such if:

So, in other words, I'm saying absolutely nothing like that!
I don't see it as any sort of formal integration so much as just that all of ACT's numbers match the NSW number that ends at the border. This isn't in and of itself anything special: in most cases in Australia where a route crosses any state line it has the same number on both sides (though it may switch between N/A/B/C).
That's special enough that NSW mentioned where it happens in their documents: see attached below, and note that the border where it happens most consistently isn't mentioned. And almost all of these are where former national roads cross the border and they just didn't change the number (there's a few places where one state wanted to, but changed their mind so that the number didn't change at the state line - but this isn't that.

There's actually a fair few places where the state networks of B roads/whatever don't join up at the border. Even the VIC A79/NSW B79 one that gets pretty close.

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WA achieves 100% match with neighboring states as well.
Err. No. The two major border crossings, where NT and SA have renumbered the nationally-numbered N1 as A1 (and WA not changed a thing) work, but NT has 3 roads (B96 that was formerly N96, C5 and C4) that end at the border with no numbering from WA.
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Furthermore, the name of the system is "New South Wales B Roads"... someone looking for a B road in ACT isn't necessarily going to think to look there with that name.
Should cheh be renamed as it includes a route in Liechtenstein? armm which has two routes in Azerbaijan (Artsakh)? What about those state/provincial highways that cross borders into another state should New York State Highways be 'Connecticut (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=si404&r=ct.ny120agre), New York and Pennsylvania (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=si404&r=pa.ny017swa) State Highways'?

And, going back to Australia - should this route (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=si404&r=ausnsw.qld002) be its own system 'ausnsw'?
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on December 29, 2020, 02:09:10 pm
AUS-ACT B52:- not signed, delete
September 2020 GSV shows it signed (https://www.google.com/maps/@-35.3355246,149.1717791,3a,15y,111.55h,91.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spN8Y7MbAxrKUWuKk8r8qdw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Plus the B23 as A23 (which is a recent development in ACT, with the A designation continuing south) - though looking, it seems like pretty much every other sign have N23 (and nothing for the B52).
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on December 29, 2020, 04:09:57 pm
a small quantity of isolated route pieces != a system's worth of route designations
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on January 01, 2021, 08:36:43 pm
The extension of QLD2 into NSW is indigestiony and echoes an outstanding argument about how to handle similar situations in the US (see: NY PA44 et. al.). I certainly do not think it belongs in its own system, but whether it counts as part of QLD2 and should be mapped at all is... bears some research. We'll revisit that when we get to it.

Anyway, meantime, here's the rest of ausn and ausnb, ready for activation once all addressed:

AUS-WA N94:

- HinHillNRd -> HHNorRd or HinHillRd
- WA120 -> WA50
- CalSt -> ClaSt

AUS-WA N95:

- WA50_S -> WA50
- TD359 -> TD359_S
- add point for TD359_N at second Chittering Rd intersection (bit south of Bindoon)
- WA120 -> DPBinRd or DewPoolRd
- WA50_N -> BBTooRd
- need to realign around Milling onto new bypass
- WarEastRd -> WanEastRd
- YanNinRd -> YalNinRd
- WA49 -> GolHwy

AUS-WA N96:

- does not appear to have a signed number in WA, delete (this also means renaming the N96 point on N1)

AUS-VIC N1AltMel:
- GipHwy -> MR180

AUS-WA N94AltKal:
- WA49 -> GolHwy_N


But wait, there's more! Have ausqldmr:

AUS-QLD MR2:
- OK

AUS-QLD MR5:
- need to add point for T7 near the beginning
- are the ramps to M7 part of MR5? I can't find anything particularly suggesting they are. I would truncate to A3.

And a general comment... should ausqldmr be tier 5? ausvicmr is.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on January 02, 2021, 01:44:57 pm
Full review of ausntb. Note that I am deferring entirely to the quoted Reddit post on page 8 for what designations are appropriate and not paying mind to what is shown signed in GMSV, per prior discussion. This effectively exempts NT from the rule that routes need to be signed to be included but it wouldn't be the first remote territory we just brushed that rule aside for (one of the others, coincidentally enough, is Canada's NT).

AUS-NT B1:

- RyaBendRd -> RyaBendRd_W
- NT11 -> B11
- SavWay -> RyaBendRd_E

AUS-NT B4:
- OK

AUS-NT B6:

- OK

AUS-NT B11:
- OK

AUS-NT B20:
- OK

AUS-NT B21:
- A36 -> B36

AUS-NT B30:
- OK

AUS-NT B34:
- FinRd -> FinnRd
- ChaPntRd_W -> ChaPtRd_W
- ChaPntRd_E -> ChaPtRd_E

AUS-NT B36:
- OK

AUS-NT B96:

- CamSta looks like it might need to be moved north a bit to where the main turnoff is.
- N80 -> C80
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on January 02, 2021, 02:24:47 pm
- WA120 -> WA50
That seems to be a signage mistake, with all the signs at WA50 and WA30 (I can't read the crappy GSV at WA40) calling that road WA120.
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AUS-VIC N1AltMel:
- GipHwy -> MR180
MR180 has been downgraded according to not being on paper, and patched signs elsewhere on its route. I did the reverse of the requested change when doing Melbourne's Metropolitan Route system. I can re-add it, but that seems to be a ausqldmr issue, rather than an ausnb issue.

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And a general comment... should ausqldmr be tier 5? ausvicmr is.
Different systems doing different things.

Brisbane's MetRoads (like the former Sydney system) are designated through routes in the city - if anything, they are higher status than the state routes nearby (and much more like the tier 3 A/N roads) rather than the same level.

Melbourne's Metropolitan Routes are somewhat like the state highway system (though it's more that they stole the blue shields because there wasn't a pre-alphanumeric state system) - arguably they could be tier 4, but where they have become Alphanumeric routes, it has mostly been C Roads rather than B Roads. OK, some did become A and M roads, and some B roads, but mostly they have become C roads. I'd expect this system to slowly disappear as they take out more of the important routes and give them alphanumeric numbers (wikipedia recently changed some, but there's zero sources even when I go looking for them).
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on January 02, 2021, 06:12:26 pm
- WA120 -> WA50
That seems to be a signage mistake, with all the signs at WA50 and WA30 (I can't read the crappy GSV at WA40) calling that road WA120.
Oh it's absolutely WA 120 south of WA115/Northam. West/north of there... yeah I see the contradicting signs at the junction south of Toodyay.

WA 120 definitely does not go anywhere past there at least.

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AUS-VIC N1AltMel:
- GipHwy -> MR180
MR180 has been downgraded according to not being on paper, and patched signs elsewhere on its route. I did the reverse of the requested change when doing Melbourne's Metropolitan Route system. I can re-add it, but that seems to be a ausqldmr issue, rather than an ausnb issue.

I'm going purely by having seen a sign on GMSV. Am okay with leaving as is if it no longer officially exists. What is your paper source for this? Victoria's GIS doesn't show any of the MR designations.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: vdeane on January 02, 2021, 06:36:46 pm
And a general comment... should ausqldmr be tier 5? ausvicmr is.
I would think so, for consistency.  The hierarchy is country -> state -> city, after all.

Speaking of route tiers, wouldn't it make sense for A Routes and National Routes to be Tier 2 with their Auxiliaries at Tier 3?  That's how it works with US Routes and the Trans-Canada, which they are arguably most similar to as there is no multi-national system involving Australia like there is for Europe, Asia, and Central America.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on January 03, 2021, 02:09:11 am
Thanks for the mega update which brings us to 303 active systems :)

I wonder about system names:
- ausnb is called "Australia N Roads (Bannered)" in the update entry but is called "Australia N Roads (Alt)" in HB
- ausqldmr is called "Brisbane MetRoads". Should it be Metroads instead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroad
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on January 04, 2021, 08:50:34 am
I would think so, for consistency.  The hierarchy is country -> state -> city, after all.
These are State Routes, that happen to be city-related and were numbered and given different shields because they were more important and used as through roads (url=http://www.expressway.online/gallery/roads/qld/numbered/metroads/images/opener.jpg]sign marking them out[/url]. In fact, most of them were part of the National Network before (which, like in the US, is managed by the states but given money by the national government) and became M roads after. I'm treating them like R1 in Adelaide and the bannered national routes - because that's effectively what they were.
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Speaking of route tiers, wouldn't it make sense for A Routes and National Routes to be Tier 2 with their Auxiliaries at Tier 3?  That's how it works with US Routes and the Trans-Canada, which they are arguably most similar to as there is no multi-national system involving Australia like there is for Europe, Asia, and Central America.
I've treated ausa and ausn as continental systems, putting them on the same tier as eure and asiah.
Am okay with leaving as is if it no longer officially exists. What is your paper source for this? Victoria's GIS doesn't show any of the MR designations.
Several secondary sources not having it listed as an active route, with some calling it decommissioned. Nothing definitive (as all unofficial), but with the patches over shields at the other end of the route, pretty clear that the sign on the Princes Highway is just out of date. The GIS is annoying with not having the Melbourne routes on, but it did help me confirm that the guy editing wikipedia and OSM with lots of fishy information was talking nonsense.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on January 04, 2021, 09:11:25 am
Anyway, thanks to Duke87 for the reviews. We've got (over 5 systems) 25747.96 miles activated in just a few months.

And, obviously, it couldn't have been done without Bickendan's hard work making route 1. A truly annoying route to make - from big empty bits where no one lives (including dirt tracks) to routes in dense cities, it's very varied route - but above all it's long. The 3330.17 miles of N1 in Western Australia is the longest chopped routes on TM by a nearly 700 miles (and there's only 11 routes over 1500 miles, which this is twice as long as). At 52kB it's the second largest .wpt file (thankfully the empty desert has some nice long straights). By my reckoning the 8600-odd miles of Highway 1 makes up just over a third (33.7%) of the active systems in Australia (and I've taken out B1 in SA as its not active) and, while its tweaked, most of it is still pretty much unchanged.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on January 04, 2021, 11:13:18 am
There are currently eleven systems in preview (dunno how large compared to the active systems and their 25,000 miles). Are there more systems to come or are more or less all TM relevant routes already covered now?
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on January 04, 2021, 11:26:53 am
Are there more systems to come or are more or less all TM relevant routes already covered now?
The only other potential systems are a couple of tourist ones, C roads in Victoria and D roads in South Australia (the D stands for 'dirt'). Unless I do a select freeway system that covers some of the missing routes in Sydney and Brisbane, as well as overlaying the Perth network. But certainly, with Western Australia's State Highways, all the major routes are at least preview.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Bickendan on January 04, 2021, 01:30:30 pm
Anyway, thanks to Duke87 for the reviews. We've got (over 5 systems) 25747.96 miles activated in just a few months.

And, obviously, it couldn't have been done without Bickendan's hard work making route 1. A truly annoying route to make - from big empty bits where no one lives (including dirt tracks) to routes in dense cities, it's very varied route - but above all it's long. The 3330.17 miles of N1 in Western Australia is the longest chopped routes on TM by a nearly 700 miles (and there's only 11 routes over 1500 miles, which this is twice as long as). At 52kB it's the second largest .wpt file (thankfully the empty desert has some nice long straights). By my reckoning the 8600-odd miles of Highway 1 makes up just over a third (33.7%) of the active systems in Australia (and I've taken out B1 in SA as its not active) and, while its tweaked, most of it is still pretty much unchanged.
:D
Honestly, the biggest nightmare were the A/M switches in NSW and the educated guesses as to routing and exit placement in Sydney and Melbourne.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: vdeane on January 04, 2021, 07:55:45 pm
These are State Routes, that happen to be city-related and were numbered and given different shields because they were more important and used as through roads (url=http://www.expressway.online/gallery/roads/qld/numbered/metroads/images/opener.jpg]sign marking them out[/url]. In fact, most of them were part of the National Network before (which, like in the US, is managed by the states but given money by the national government) and became M roads after. I'm treating them like R1 in Adelaide and the bannered national routes - because that's effectively what they were.
Interesting.  That's certainly not something you don't see everywhere.  I wonder why they chose to do it that way.

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I've treated ausa and ausn as continental systems, putting them on the same tier as eure and asiah.
I just noticed that when browsing the HB last night.  Interesting that Europe and Asia put those systems in Tier 3 while the equivalents in North America went into Tier 2.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on January 05, 2021, 05:55:55 am
Interesting that Europe and Asia put those systems in Tier 3 while the equivalents in North America went into Tier 2.

Europe has secondary freeway / expressway systems in Poland, Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia,... which are "more important" than the international E routes.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on January 07, 2021, 08:50:17 pm
Knocking out a couple quick wins here to get the number of preview systems down, so here's ausnt and ausntc.

One overarching note regarding ausnt: all routes need to have their list file names changed from Bxx to NTxx


AUS-NT NT2:
- OK

AUS-NT NT8:
- ArtHR -> ArlHR

AUS-NT NT14:
- OK

AUS-NT NT23:
- OK

AUS-NT NT28:
- DalyRvrRd_W -> DalyRivRd_W

AUS-NT C4:
- DocRvr -> DocRiv

AUS-NT C5:
- OK

AUS-NT C12:
- N87 -> A87 and coords do not match corresponding point on A87

AUS-NT C16:
- A87 coords do not match corresponding point on A87

AUS-NT C24:

- OK

AUS-NT C80:
- find somewhere to add a visible point or two between B96 and A87? It's over 100 miles.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on January 10, 2021, 11:59:54 am
ausnt and ausntc's low hanging fruit has been plucked.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on January 20, 2021, 12:10:31 am
AUS-SA B1:
- WilRd -> WyrRd
- can remove BetRd, not necessary given two close other points. If kept, recenter and -> BeltRd
- ClayWellRd_N -> ClayWelRd_N
- consider adding a few points between B101_N and McIntWay, rather long gap for an only somewhat remote area

AUS-SA B19:
- YadDr -> YalDr

AUS-SA B34:
- MauRd_E -> MawRd_E
- RvrRd -> RivRd

All other AUS-SA Bs under 40 are good.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on January 24, 2021, 12:57:24 am
AUS-SA B55:
- PicBoreRd -> PilBoreRd

AUS-SA B79:

- PosPkRd -> PosParkRd

AUS-SA B89:
- GeoTer -> GeoSt
- add point at Hughes/Wildman intersection in Wallaroo (major turn, improves route trace)

AUS-SA B100:
- HavRd -> TheHavDr
- consider adding a visible point or two between WilRd and JenAve, it's over 50 miles

AUS-SA B201:
- McKayRd -> McKRd
- WriRd -> WinRd

Everything else in aussab: OK

So the system is ready to go once this and the above post are addressed.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on February 07, 2021, 10:11:01 pm
What's the rationale for having separate ausab & ausnb systems with 2 battered routes total each, rather than folding them into ausa & ausn?

Edit: Shenanigans. (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=ausvic.td098&lat=-38.249657&lon=146.55118&zoom=14)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on February 08, 2021, 07:00:15 am
What's the rationale for having separate ausab & ausnb systems with 2 battered routes total each, rather than folding them into ausa & ausn?
Because that's how they originally were. I could merge them, with ausr, into a 5 route system as an alternative to folding them in. I probably will fold them in.
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Edit: Shenanigans. (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=ausvic.td098&lat=-38.249657&lon=146.55118&zoom=14)
I'll turn that signed double-back into a branch - I've got to go and fix / finish that system anyway. victd is one of those badly-documented systems where you end up finding more and more routes as you are going, rather than there being a decent map. I ought to add the ones I find to wikipedia and OSM. (eg I found one TD6x route marked on OSM, then went on GMSV to see if it was signed, and found another 3 routes (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@-36.5860581,145.0153735,3a,75y,12.26h,86.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sprxRnL4JlAFOasQF8WO8Uw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)!).
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on June 24, 2021, 12:52:19 am
Full peer review of aussf:

- given local nomenclature, might "Australia Select Named Motorways" be a better name for the system?
- AUS-ACT AdeAve: Recommend removing CapCir Point (1PPI?), but it is a weird situation here generally
- AUS-NSW CahExp: list name should be CahExpy (matching precedent from usasf)
- AUS-NSW CroCityTun: suggest moving eastern terminus east to where carriageways meet Bayswater Rd. No direct connection to Ward Ave exists.
- AUS-NSW NCon: add waypoint for ramps to A28 near south end. Also, should this be extended north to where tunnels merge/diverge from M1?
- all the TAS and WA routes are entirely redundant with routes in ausn, ausa, ausb, or auswa and should be removed
- one minor maybe exception to the above: AUS-WA LeaHwy contains a short segment of Airport Drive that is not part of a numbered route. However, may be too short to merit inclusion on its own (1.9 km, glorified exit ramp)

- all else in ACT, NSW, QLD is OK, system ready to go once above items addressed
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on June 24, 2021, 01:37:27 pm
- given local nomenclature, might "Australia Select Named Motorways" be a better name for the system?
There's three routes that are 'freeways' in the system, none that are 'motorways'. I defaulted to motorways, and realised that freeways fit better.
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- AUS-NSW NCon: add waypoint for ramps to A28 near south end. Also, should this be extended north to where tunnels merge/diverge from M1?
Those A28 ramps are ramps to the M1. 1PPI, or a point there, and a point where the carraigeways merge? I've gone with the latter.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on June 24, 2021, 10:42:12 pm
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- AUS-NSW NCon: add waypoint for ramps to A28 near south end. Also, should this be extended north to where tunnels merge/diverge from M1?
Those A28 ramps are ramps to the M1. 1PPI, or a point there, and a point where the carraigeways merge? I've gone with the latter.

Meanwhile a similar nearby situation with M2 and M1Syd maps both routes to where the carriageways merge...
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on June 25, 2021, 05:45:53 am
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- AUS-NSW NCon: add waypoint for ramps to A28 near south end. Also, should this be extended north to where tunnels merge/diverge from M1?
Those A28 ramps are ramps to the M1. 1PPI, or a point there, and a point where the carraigeways merge? I've gone with the latter.

Meanwhile a similar nearby situation with M2 and M1Syd maps both routes to where the carriageways merge...
Indeed, which is why I went with the latter option rather than 1PPI - keeping the M1_S +M1 point, and extending the route to a new point on the M1 where the carriageways merge.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on June 25, 2021, 06:17:22 pm
Discussion of grab bag system overlap has been moved to a new thread (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=4426.0) dedicated for such.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2021, 12:45:20 pm
I've removed the Tasmanian aussf routes as they aren't very coherent. Western Australia to wait for more of the grabbag discussion.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on July 02, 2021, 04:31:56 pm
I've removed the Western Australian freeways (but can easily readd them at a later point, should that be decided) and the aussf system will be activated with the next site update
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on July 02, 2021, 07:16:15 pm
Not been fully following along here -- how's aussf's redundancy (if any) with other systems?
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on July 02, 2021, 11:13:55 pm
Not been fully following along here -- how's aussf's redundancy (if any) with other systems?

The only fully redundant routes were in WA and TAS, and they've been removed.

One route in NSW (Cahill Expressway) is partially concurrent with M1 but since it also has an independent section with no signed number this is okay - kind of like how the NJ Turnpike is mapped as the entire mainline, not just the part that isn't I-95.

All other routes are fully independent and duplicate nothing.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on July 03, 2021, 02:45:17 am
Went looking for MALFORMED_* errors and saw:
ausvic.c789   PurRd   MALFORMED_LON   144.949858Z
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on July 24, 2021, 06:29:19 pm
Digging into auswa


AUS-WA WA2:
- N1_PB -> N1_Pre

AUS-WA WA3:
- CalSt -> ClaSt

AUS-WA WA4:
- ColLink -> ColRd

AUS-WA WA5:
- TD204 -> TydRd (no signage for TD204 anywhere near here)
- AhySt -> HaySt

AUS-WA WA6: OK

AUS-WA WA7:
- NormRd -> NorRd
- KatAve -> KarAve

AUS-WA WA8: OK

AUS-WA WA10:
- SteRd_E -> SteRd_S, SteRd_W -> SteRd_N
- WinGlenRd -> WarGlenRd
- NorSt_W -> NorSt_S, NorSt_E -> NorSt_N
- TuaDr -> TuaDr_S, TuaDr_E -> TuaDr_N

AUS-WA WA10Aug:
- based on GIS the south end is at Ellis St (https://beta.nationalmap.terria.io/)

AUS-WA WA12:
- TD204 -> TydRd (no signage for TD204 anywhere near here)

AUS-WA WA13:
- SouRvrRd -> SouRivRd

AUS-WA WA14:
- RocAve -> RocRd

AUS-WA WA18:
- SafBayRd_N -> ArcDr

AUS-WA WA19: OK

AUS-WA WA20:
- HunRd -> HynRd
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on July 26, 2021, 11:54:15 pm
AUS-WA WA21: OK

AUS-WA WA22: OK

AUS-WA WA26: OK

AUS-WA WA27: OK

AUS-WA WA30:
- MerDr -> MenDr

AUS-WA WA30AltKen: OK

AUS-WA WA31: OK

AUS-WA WA36: OK

AUS-WA WA40: OK

AUS-WA WA41: OK

AUS-WA WA50:
- extend across what is mapped as WA120 to Northam. Signed as WA 50 in both directions from N94.

AUS-WA WA51: OK

AUS-WA WA52: OK

AUS-WA WA53: OK

AUS-WA WA55:
- WatCrs_W -> WhaCrs_W

AUS-WA WA56:
- Per GIS, south end is at WA8 overpass

AUS-WA WA60:
- LedPntRd -> LedPtRd
- add point at Romeo Rd, this will tie into end of WA2 extension once it opens
- TD359 -> PinRd (no TD359 signs on Pinjar Road)
- WA78 -> WA77 (as signed, GIS does not have a numerical designation on Balcatta Road)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on July 30, 2021, 01:11:26 am
AUS-WA WA61: OK

AUS-WA WA64:
- as signed north end is at WA2
- OdinRd -> OdinRd_N

AUS-WA WA65: OK

AUS-WA WA66: OK

AUS-WA WA71:
- BeaRd_E -> BeaRd_N
- BeaRd_W -> BeaRd_S
- TD204_SwaN -> TD204 (TD204 needs to be truncated to have its south end here)
- TD204_SwaS -> NorSt

AUS-WA WA72: OK

AUS-WA WA75: OK

AUS-WA WA76:
- WA64 -> CedSt

AUS-WA WA77:
- Signage mostly seems to indicate this follows what is mapped as WA78, so suggest rerouting that way. Either way, definitely does not extend north of WA3 (per signs). GIS doesn't include this route so no official source on what it does on paper.

AUS-WA WA78:
- make part of WA77 per above recommendation. If not, delete - there are no WA78 signs.

AUS-WA WA81:
- WA77 -> EriRd

AUS-WA WA82: OK

AUS-WA WA83:
- truncate to WA71. Not signed west of here and GIS agrees.

AUS-WA WA84: OK

AUS-WA WA85:
- TD359_S -> PinRd (TD359 not signed on Pinjar Rd)

AUS-WA WA87: OK

AUS-WA WA102: OK

AUS-WA WA104: OK

AUS-WA WA107:
- TD355_E -> CenRd? (there is no signage for TD355 here as of 2008 GMSV, but then all of TD355 west of here overlaps WA 107... and can't just 86 TD355 since it IS cosigned with WA107 at west end)
- CodRd -> CorRd
- FisRd -> FisSt
- WA107_W -> WA120_N, WA107_E -> WA120_S
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on July 30, 2021, 06:45:12 am
AUS-WA WA50:
- extend across what is mapped as WA120 to Northam. Signed as WA 50 in both directions from N94.
I remember spending some time when drafting looking at signs and making a decision on what number the Northam  - Toodyay road is back then.

Yes there's this junction with WA50 signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.6427156,116.6425797,3a,75y,206.46h,76.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3eBpSDxtNShecCSrBilaYA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). However that sign is counteracted by the WA120 pointing along this road at both ends: Northam (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.6548038,116.6659511,3a,34.8y,315.97h,85.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saHB2LGMYj0_ODyYZhe7oSA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and Toodyay (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.5733005,116.480381,3a,75y,325.24h,85.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6WSCWxYvxbAolDR1bg8rHw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).

Other sources - Wikipedia, OSM, Google and the GIS you link to have it as WA120, not WA50.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on July 30, 2021, 06:59:14 am
AUS-WA WA77:
- Signage mostly seems to indicate this follows what is mapped as WA78, so suggest rerouting that way. Either way, definitely does not extend north of WA3 (per signs). GIS doesn't include this route so no official source on what it does on paper.

AUS-WA WA78:
- make part of WA77 per above recommendation. If not, delete - there are no WA78 signs.
Both these routes are on the GIS. You've confused the mapping of the functional classification of roads (which draws lines along them), with the numerical classification (which puts shields along the route).

However, I'll go by signage, rather than what's there on paper.

Edit:
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AUS-WA WA83:
- truncate to WA71. Not signed west of here and GIS agrees.
Ditto this - you've misread the GIS - it agrees with what I have (in fact goes further - down the coast to WA82). Going with signage, like 77 and 78. And it goes west of WA71 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.7961189,115.7555328,3a,29.4y,337.16h,88.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc_K95sI_RHGNS8onG0CS0Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192), so leaving as is.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on August 02, 2021, 07:58:43 pm
Both these routes are on the GIS. You've confused the mapping of the functional classification of roads (which draws lines along them), with the numerical classification (which puts shields along the route).

What dataset are you looking at? I'm going by "Route Number Labels - State" under National Datasets -> Transport -> Roads
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on August 03, 2021, 04:19:11 am
 That's what I used. The GIS has shields showing the routes I had for WA77 and 78.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on August 03, 2021, 08:41:42 pm
That's what I used. The GIS has shields showing the routes I had for WA77 and 78.

Okay so here's what I'm seeing:
(https://i.imgur.com/CrMqigC.png)

To the see the GIS data you need to click on a route, in which case a thin white line tracing it will show up, along with the infobox containing the associated labels (route 3 shown clicked on here). Nothing shows up when routes 77/78 are clicked on, so they're not in the dataset.

Everything else seen here, including the shields, is part of the background layer, not the GIS dataset. Go to map settings and select a different base map option and you'll see they go away with everything else other than the thin white lines. So unless we assume the default background layer is an authoritative source...
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on August 04, 2021, 05:31:52 am
You are right, I'd assumed that "Route Number Labels - State" would put route number labels on the map rather than invisible lines that only show up if you click them. Even with Opacity at 100 and using the dark-themed map (black background so shows up better), I can't see the thin white lines unless I managed to get them highlighted.

I tried to highlight WA5, eventually getting it, and the line was considerably off the base mapping in the bit where I tried and failed before. I've not managed to get WA8 at all - I highly doubt that's been downgraded, as its a freeway and not a city street they don't want traffic on (like parts of WA77). I did wonder whether it's because the freeway was only built in 2000 and WA5 was tracing an old alignment further away from the river, but the road along the river is very old (for that part of the world).

Should note that the WA Government layers don't include highways, and what we're looking at is a Federal Government layer of the data - so not the authority in charge of those roads. It's really not a reliable source above and beyond regular mapping sources - another body has lines showing where the state highways go. And it's much harder to use than normal mapping.

Here's the Western Australia State Government GIS: https://map-viewer-plus.app.landgate.wa.gov.au/index.html It at least puts Mounts Bay Road in the right place, even if its "Freeway, Highways & Main Roads (S)" layer doesn't do road numbers and has more roads than is useful as 'Main Roads' is a broader category than State Highways (and so isn't helpful beyond saying that WA didn't give the traces of their state highway network to the feds for their GIS).

But it doesn't particularly matter as I'm going with signage anyway.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on August 08, 2021, 08:29:04 pm
AUS-WA WA115: OK

AUS-WA WA116:
- MinMorRd -> MagMorRd
- YarNERd -> YanNERd
- TD360_S -> PadSt (no signs for TD360)

AUS-WA WA120:
- TD356_NarN -> KipSt (signs do not indicate TD356 and WA120 taking different routes through Narrogin)
- TD356_NarS -> FedSt

AUS-WA WA123:
- YunTenRd -> YunaTenRd
- long gap between WagWag and N95, suggest adding a point at Murrum Road to help break this up. Potentially also replace the last shaping point with a visible point at Mount Magnet-Yoweragabbie Road

AUS-WA WA136:
- couple long gaps near west end, suggest adding a couple more visible points out there
- WyboKooRd -> WylKooRd (it's Wyloo, not Wybo)
- BenRd -> BinRd
- RoeWitRd -> WA142? (no signed number in 2008 GMSV here, but this is the far end of the same road: https://goo.gl/maps/94Jjc49EgeaM5iS58)

AUS-WA WA138:
- need to relocate onto new alignment near Roy Hill (around VilAccRd)

AUS-WA WA139: OK

AUS-WA WA142:
- as noted above, this route needs to be added. OSM marks it as 129, in disagreement with this sign (2018): https://goo.gl/maps/94Jjc49EgeaM5iS58
No other GMSV available and GIS has nothing here. The OzRoads website that hasn't been updated since December 2012 thinks it runs all the way to WA 136 in Tom Price, which seems reasonable. https://www.ozroads.com.au/WA/routenumbering/state/stateroutes.htm


And that is it for auswa
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on October 13, 2021, 11:07:43 pm
So I went to start looking at ausvicmr and... it looks like they're in the process of starting to dismantle the system and convert the roads to alphanumerics.

- MR3 is now A50, 1:1 conversion
- MR27 now only exists south of M80. New A51 takes over MR27 north of M80 and also part of C727 up to MR57
- MR77 is now A77, with the new A77 designation also taking over MR40 from 77 on south. MR40 north of 77 may no longer have a number
- MR60 is now A60, and the new A60 designation also eats the entirety of N1Alt

Looks like we've got some other designation shuffling occurring on the west side of Melbourne too:
- new A81 designation on Leakes Rd from Derrimut Rd (A95) to Fitzgerald Rd (A77)
- new A91 designation on Palmers Rd from M1 to M8. The southernmost bit was B91.
- new A93 designation on Forsyth Rd from M1 up to Leakes Rd (A81). The southernmost block was C701.
   > the rest of C701 is now B840
- what was C702 is now A95, 1:1
- what was C109 is now A96, 1:1

So, for now, all these additions need to be made to ausa with the routes they replace from preview systems removed.

Aaaand I'm also gonna forget about ausvicmr for now and go look at something more stable.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on October 14, 2021, 06:25:39 am
Looks like we've got some other designation shuffling occurring on the west side of Melbourne too:
- new A81 designation on Leakes Rd from Derrimut Rd (A95) to Fitzgerald Rd (A77)
- new A91 designation on Palmers Rd from M1 to M8. The southernmost bit was B91.
These was on OSM when I created the systems. I dove into a deep rabbit hole of whether it was real as the numbering was odd, and the roads rather minor to be A-class, and the consensus of Melbournites discussing this strange numbers was "that's made up", but it turns out that the OSM editor was right, but jumped the gun (or saw the new signs that others didn't as they were under strict 'confined to quarters' orders).

I'll try and see if I can find a full plan of the alphanumerics. I'll implement the implemented changes.

And, yes, it's no doubt a good idea to not bother with reviewing vicmr until it stabilises. Or at least until we know what the situation will be.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on October 16, 2021, 11:58:19 pm
So, the other remaining blue shield SR set it is then

AUS-NSW QLD2: OK

AUS-QLD QLD2: OK

AUS-QLD QLD3:
- QLD16 -> RosRd

AUS-QLD QLD3Gol: OK

AUS-QLD QLD4: OK

AUS-QLD QLD6:
- MSRvrRd -> MSRivRd

AUS-QLD QLD7: OK

AUS-QLD QLD7Gol: OK

AUS-QLD QLD8: OK

AUS-QLD QLD9: OK

AUS-QLD QLD10:
- consider adding point for PeelSt_E (since route turns here)
- QLD48 -> CorSt
- BirRd -> BirRd_N
- QLD95 -> LogRd (QLD95 is not signed north of MR2)

AUS-QLD QLD10Bli: OK

AUS-QLD QLD10Gol: OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on March 02, 2022, 11:33:24 pm
AUS-QLD QLD11: unclear if signed (isn't at east end per GMSV nor at junction near Elphinstone per Mapillary, no imagery of west end available). OK otherwise.

AUS-QLD QLD11Bri:
- QLD57_E -> QLD57

AUS-QLD QLD11Coo: OK

AUS-QLD QLD12: OK

AUS-QLD QLD12Eum: OK

QLD12 segment from N83 to QLD14 is missing.

AUS-QLD QLD13: OK

AUS-QLD QLD14:
-BirDevRd_W and BirDevRd_E need recentering

AUS-QLD QLD14Tow:
- per QTopo, east end should be at RonMcLDr

AUS-QLD QLD15:
- signage implies designation ends at BayRd and only TD43 continues into Tin Can Bay

AUS-QLD QLD15Bri: OK

AUS-QLD QLD16Tow:
- can just be QLD16 with no other segment
- maybe move CouSt to the intersection instead of the underpass

AUS-QLD QLD17: OK

AUS-QLD QLD19: OK

AUS-QLD QLD20:
- QLD48 -> FaiRd

AUS-QLD QLD20Car:
- QLD49 -> MeaRd

AUS-QLD QLD20Gol: OK

AUS-QLD QLD20Woo: OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on March 07, 2022, 02:05:17 am
AUS-QLD QLD12: (newly drafted section)
- CulPalRd -> CurPalRd

AUS-QLD QLD21: OK

AUS-QLD QLD22:
- EatXingRd -> EatCroRd

AUS-QLD QLD22Car:
- ClePnt -> ClePt

AUS-QLD QLD23: OK

AUS-QLD QLD24: OK

AUS-QLD QLD24Gol: OK

AUS-QLD QLD24Mil: OK

AUS-QLD QLD25: OK

AUS-QLD QLD25Bri:
- QLD63 -> NudRd
- EagFarmRd -> CurAve
- Per QTopo end is at gate to Cruise terminal, here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-27.38429&lon=153.14581
This appears to be the last actual sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@-27.4309629,153.1124052,3a,15y,51.57h,89.38t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6c7pNmvWsF6c1LOUYEq2og!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D6c7pNmvWsF6c1LOUYEq2og%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D307.55167%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192), but it implies likewise.

AUS-QLD QLD26:
- SanRd_N -> BucRd ? (route continues as Sandgate Road north of here)
- TomRd -> TooRd

AUS-QLD QLD27:
- QLD83 -> N83
- LloClaWay -> KarRd

AUS-QLD QLD27Bri:
- while exact terminus is unclear it definitely extends past KliRd. Signage shows it continuing straight ahead here (https://www.google.com/maps/@-27.2234396,153.1108537,3a,16.1y,346.42h,95.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shokQZLJd5vdHkrsPZWkzPA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Per QTopo the route extends at least as far as Rock Street (last rendered shield is before this intersection), though other possible ends include:
   - curve from Lanesborough Ave to Fifth Ave (road classification change from major to connector)
   - intersection of Fifth Ave and Scarborough Rd (road classification change from connector to local)
   - intersection of Fifth Ave and Thurecht Pde (roundabout, where Google thinks the end is)

AUS-QLD QLD28:
- EatXingRd -> EatCroRd

AUS-QLD QLD29: OK

AUS-QLD QLD29Eve: OK

AUS-QLD QLD30:
- BraSt -> QLD11 (this also means extend QLD11Bri to here from N13)
- could use added points at North Rd (between M4 and KiaRd_S) and School Rd (between KiaRd_S and QLD23_N) since route turns at these locations
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on March 19, 2022, 07:00:59 pm
AUS-QLD QLD40Gol: Per QTopo west end is at McLRd. Lack of signage beyond supports this.

All else QLD31 - QLD 40: OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on April 23, 2022, 12:39:00 am
AUS-QLD QLD41: OK

AUS-QLD QLD41Bri: OK

AUS-QLD QLD42:
- per signage at M1 ramps, QLD42 should end at QLD99, and QLD99 should continue to meet M1.

AUS-QLD QLD43:
- WelPnt -> WelPt

AUS-QLD QLD44: OK

AUS-QLD QLD44Cap: OK

AUS-QLD QLD45:
- WMtCotRd needs its label shortened. Suggest MtCotRd.

AUS-QLD QLD46: OK

AUS-QLD QLD47:
- shaping point could be moved to a visible point at Rocky Passage Rd

AUS-QLD QLD48: OK

AUS-QLD QLD49:
- per QTopo NWGRd should be the western terminus
- SooXingRd -> SooCroRd
- LakeBinNP should be relocated westward, there is no passable crossroad at its currrent location
- CamXingRd -> CamCroRd
- NanDaaConn -> NanTipRd
- QLD82 -> ChiWonRd (QLD82 is not signed)
- GaynRd -> GayRd

AUS-QLD QLD50: OK

AUS-QLD QLD50Mer:
- BowRd -> BooRd
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on April 23, 2022, 11:43:06 pm
AUS-QLD QLD51:
- As I read the manual, having S, E, and W suffixes for TD42 is not in line with labeling guidelines. Options would be to use A, B, and C; to use abbreviated town names (Imb, Tuc, and Kan, perhaps); or to omit the directional suffix from the S label.

AUS-QLD QLD52:
- N1_LG -> N1 (same labeling guidelines as above)
- HerPetRd -> MofSt
- TD4_N -> TD4 or...? There is a sign for TD4 here but I see no others nor official record of a TD4 in this location

AUS-QLD QLD52Big: OK

AUS-QLD QLD54: OK

AUS-QLD QLD55: OK

AUS-QLD QLD56: OK

AUS-QLD QLD57: OK

AUS-QLD QLD57Bri: OK

AUS-QLD QLD58:
- YouXingRd -> YouCroRd

AUS-QLD QLD58Gla:
- CalRvrRd -> CalRivRd

AUS-QLD QLD60:
- ThoMouRd -> TheMouRd
- DonYonRd -> DonYouRd

AUS-QLD QLD60Cab: OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: yakra on May 04, 2022, 05:27:50 pm
QLD62:
EldSt_W -> A2Alt_W
EldSt_E -> EldSt
ChiSt -> A2Alt_E

AUS-QLD A2
A2Alt_WinW -> A2AltWin_W
A2Alt_WinE -> A2AltWin_E
A2Alt_ChaW -> A2AltCha_W
A2Alt_ChaE -> A2AltCha_E
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on May 27, 2022, 07:33:26 pm
AUS-QLD QLD61: OK

AUS-QLD QLD62:
- DiaRvrRd -> DiaRivRd
- EldSt -> A2Alt
- recommend adding a point at Mclaren/Swanson in Hughenden, route turns here and someone may have gone straight

AUS-QLD QLD62Ips:
- per Qtopo this route extends west to Dixon St, this makes sense considering this is about the end of recent construction project (see 2015 GMSV from west of there)

AUS-QLD QLD63:
- HilNiaRd -> NiaRd
- FVWVRd -> FleRd

AUS-QLD QLD64:
- OweCrkLp_E -> OCLoopRd_E
- OweCrkLp_W -> OCLoopRd_W

AUS-QLD QLD67: OK

AUS-QLD QLD68:
- SexWelRd -> SexWeiRd

AUS-QLD QLD69: OK

AUS-QLD QLD70:
- ArsRd -> AirsRd (name is Airstrip Road, extra letter necesseary to differentiate from other AirRd point)

AUS-QLD QLD70Mar: OK

AUS-QLD QLD71: OK

AUS-QLD QLD72:
- need a couple visible points to break up the 69.82 mile western gap between them

AUS-QLD QLD74: OK

AUS-QLD QLD75:
- not signed, delete

AUS-QLD QLD77: OK

AUS-QLD QLD77Bri: OK

AUS-QLD QLD80: OK

AUS-QLD QLD80Bur: OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on May 28, 2022, 03:23:21 am
AUS-QLD QLD75:
- not signed, delete
signed (https://www.google.com/maps/@-25.576455,151.304118,3a,32.9y,212.68h,89.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1JjoKVYTVnmImrX6obyNZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on May 28, 2022, 11:48:33 am
AUS-QLD QLD75:
- not signed, delete
signed (https://www.google.com/maps/@-25.576455,151.304118,3a,32.9y,212.68h,89.47t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1JjoKVYTVnmImrX6obyNZg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Hm so it is. That might be the one actual sign, but one is enough.

Quick check shows no other issues so can also mark that one OK.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on June 26, 2022, 06:44:07 pm
AUS-QLD QLD81:
- per QTopo, north end is at Weipa Town limits (south of southern Kerr Point Drive point, border on OSM looks correct)
- check shaping between NapRd and AurRd, some recent realignment seems to have taken place
- PortSteRd needs recentering (so do several other points up near the north end, though less glaringly)
- PamRd -> FaiPalRd

AUS-QLD QLD82:
- MerGorRd -> MemGorRd
- TooCPRd -> TooCPRd_E

AUS-QLD QLD84: OK

AUS-QLD QLD85:
- east end is at M1 per QTopo, lack of QLD85 signs along Bribie Island Road concurs

AUS-QLD QLD85Goo:
- QLD46 -> N46

AUS-QLD QLD86: OK

AUS-QLD QLD87: OK

AUS-QLD QLD88: OK

AUS-QLD QLD89: OK

AUS-QLD QLD89AltLak: OK

AUS-QLD QLD90: OK

AUS-QLD QLD91:
- McManSt -> McMSt

AUS-QLD QLD92: OK

AUS-QLD QLD93: OK

AUS-QLD QLD93Tow: OK

AUS-QLD QLD94: OK

AUS-QLD QLD95: OK

AUS-QLD QLD96:
- SomSt -> SomSt_N

AUS-QLD QLD97:
- QLD84 -> BeeRd

AUS-QLD QLD98:
- this route briefly enters NSW twice and will need to be cut into five different segments (3 QLD, 2 NSW) accordingly. Border as OSM shows it appears to match official data at https://nationalmap.gov.au/ (States & Territories layer) so that should be good to go by
- CumCrkRd_W -> CurCrkRd_W

AUS-QLD QLD99: OK

And thus concludes the review for ausqld
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on July 01, 2022, 07:00:19 am
And thus concludes the review for ausqld
Activated
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Markkos1992 on July 01, 2022, 05:06:59 pm
I found a Datacheck error for the entry marking ausqld (apparently 6 fields instead of 5) as active when making my own PA updates.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on July 01, 2022, 05:22:02 pm
Found it and fixed it when looking at other stuff. Pull coming in soon.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on August 01, 2022, 01:38:14 am
AUS-TAS B10:
- recommend adding a visible point or two in the middle, OK otherwise

AUS-TAS B11:
- LtPineLagRd needs to be shortened

AUS-TAS B12: OK

AUS-TAS B13: OK

AUS-TAS B14:
- C145 -> C144 (C145 ends at C144, not vice versa, so also change this in austasc)

AUS-TAS B15: OK

AUS-TAS B16: OK

AUS-TAS B17:
- first shaping point west of C127 could be visible, there's an intersection there
- recommend adding a point for the last turn from Mission Hill Rd onto Main Rd

AUS-TAS B18: OK

AUS-TAS B19:
- N1_E could use a recenter

AUS-TAS B21: OK

AUS-TAS B22: OK

AUS-TAS B23: OK

AUS-TAS B24: OK

AUS-TAS B25:
- EdwSt -> EdwSt_W

AUS-TAS B26: OK

AUS-TAS B27: OK

AUS-TAS B28:
- recommend adding a visible point or two in the middle, perhaps at Howards Rd. OK otherwise
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on August 14, 2022, 12:22:40 am
AUS-TAS B31: OK

AUS-TAS B32: OK

AUS-TAS B33: OK

AUS-TAS B34:
- KanRd -> KalRd

AUS-TAS B35: OK

AUS-TAS B36: OK

AUS-TAS B37:
- B37_N -> A9_N
- B37_S -> A9_S

AUS-TAS B41: OK

AUS-TAS B42: OK

AUS-TAS B43: OK

AUS-TAS B51: OK

AUS-TAS B52: OK

AUS-TAS B53: OK

AUS-TAS B54: OK
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on September 25, 2022, 05:22:29 pm
AUS-TAS B61: OK

AUS-TAS B62: OK

AUS-TAS B64: OK

AUS-TAS B66:
- JackDwyRd -> JackDwyDr

AUS-TAS B68: OK

AUS-TAS B68Kin: OK

AUS-TAS B71: OK

AUS-TAS B72: OK

AUS-TAS B73: OK

AUS-TAS B74:
- per GIS, extends into Port Sorell and ends and Kermode St. Signage at C708 junction supports this.

AUS-TAS B81: OK

AUS-TAS B82: OK

AUS-TAS B83: OK

AUS-TAS B84: OK

AUS-TAS B85:
- per GIS, ends at C805 and does not proceed down to the ferry dock from there

AUS-TAS B110: OK

And that takes care of austasb.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on November 02, 2022, 08:23:39 am
And that takes care of austasb.
Activating tonight
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on January 30, 2023, 01:38:40 am
The following are comments on the Tasmanian C-Roads in the 100s where I have a comment, the rest are OK as is.

AUS-TAS C101:
- CooRd -> CopRd, and could use a recenter

AUS-TAS C132:
- the labeling "((main))" in double parentheses is awkward, suggest removing a pair of them (and may want to capitalize "Main")

AUS-TAS C132Cra:
- should be fine as just "C132 (Cradle Mountain)" without the need for "(branch)"

AUS-TAS C137:
- OldParRd needs a recenter

AUS-TAS C159:
- LowBeuRd_W -> LowBeuRd_S

AUS-TAS C179:
- MeaRd_N -> MeaRd_W

AUS-TAS C193:
- per GIS, west end should move east slightly to intersection with Cynthia Boat Ramp Drive
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on March 27, 2023, 01:26:03 am
AUS-TAS C215:
- WinRd -> WilRd

AUS-TAS C234:
- the labeling "((main))" in double parentheses is awkward, suggest removing a pair of them (and may want to capitalize "Main")

AUS-TAS C234Tab:
- should be fine as just "C234 (Table Cape)" without the need for "(branch)"

AUS-TAS C247:
- per GIS, B23/C247 transition should be at Leatherwood Ave, about 600m north of where it is in the HB currently

Those are the only issues in the 200s.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on April 03, 2023, 02:03:05 am
Comments for the 300s:

AUS-TAS C328:
- this is officially a three-legged route (and signs corroborate this). Main route should follow Cambridge Rd to C329. Road up to Mt Rumsey needs to be mapped as a branch.

AUS-TAS C329:
- CamRd_E -> C328

AUS-TAS C330:
- 7MBeaRd -> SMBeaRd (since it's officially "Seven", not "7")

AUS-TAS C331:
- junction with A9 needs to be moved due to recent reconstruction. A3 and A9 also need changes in Sorell on account of this: A3 needs a new point for the new A9 bypass. A9... so officially (and from what I can tell signs at least sort of agree, including some brand new ones!) A9 is officially now both on the new bypass and the old road into the town center, making it a three-legged route. No idea if this is temporary or not but it is what GIS shows as of now.

AUS-TAS C341:
- extend ~250m from TurRd to end of pavement, which is the official end per GIS
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on April 03, 2023, 02:08:13 pm
- MR60 is now A60, and the new A60 designation also eats the entirety of N1Alt

So I think we need to roll this one back. I initially garnered this info from here: https://www.travelvictoria.com.au/victoria/roads/

But a couple years later N1Alt is very much still signed as such and Victoria GIS still shows it as such. Not seeing any evidence from 2022 street view of MR60 signs (where any signs exist anyway) having changed to A60 either.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on April 14, 2023, 03:14:51 pm
- MR60 is now A60, and the new A60 designation also eats the entirety of N1Alt

So I think we need to roll this one back. I initially garnered this info from here: https://www.travelvictoria.com.au/victoria/roads/

But a couple years later N1Alt is very much still signed as such and Victoria GIS still shows it as such. Not seeing any evidence from 2022 street view of MR60 signs (where any signs exist anyway) having changed to A60 either.
Having investigated this, someone saw a couple of signs that didn't have A60 patched over and jumped the (very late) gun, editing OSM and Wikipedia with a not-yet-implemented future number.

Looking further at Melbourne to see if its happened with other roads (but have been distracted today by some missing Victorian, and then the before-now-unknown-to-me South Australian Tourist Drives) before making the changes to roll A60 back to current road numbers.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on July 04, 2023, 01:02:29 pm
Comments for the 400s

AUS-TAS C401:
- C412 point needs to move to White Hills Rd. Per GIS both this and Cowley Rd are C412, but only White Hills is signed as such.
- C432 -> BenLomRd

AUS-TAS C402:
- remove B41 concurrency, have route end at "B41" point

AUS-TAS C406:
- per GIS, designation extends south to fork with Headquarters Road

AUS-TAS C407:
- suggest adding a point for turnoff from Upper Brid Rd

AUS-TAS C412:
- DawRd -> DalRd
- move north end onto White Hills Rd, off of Cowley Rd (see C401 comment)

AUS-TAS C417:
- officially a three-legged route, southern portion of Main Rd down to N1 needs to be mapped too

AUS-TAS C418:
- ClaLogRd_S -> ClaLodRd_S

AUS-TAS C432:
- not signed, delete
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on July 15, 2023, 07:12:53 pm
Comments for the 500s

AUS-TAS C505:
- C510 -> GleRd

AUS-TAS C507:
- C510 -> AdeRd

AUS-TAS C510:
- not signed, delete

AUS-TAS C513:
- the labeling "((main))" in double parentheses is awkward, suggest removing a pair of them (and may want to capitalize "Main")

AUS-TAS C513Lif:
- should be fine as just "C513 (Liffey Falls)" without the need for "(branch)"

AUS-TAS C519:
- B51 -> B52

AUS-TAS C525:
- per GIS, ends at the Y junction right before Arthurs Dam (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-42.033195&lon=-213.079920)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on July 16, 2023, 04:09:24 am
- the labeling "((main))" in double parentheses is awkward, suggest removing a pair of them (and may want to capitalize "Main")
Main is not a proper noun - don't want to capitalise. The pair I want to remove requires changes to the web end, where all bits get brackets around the city field.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on July 16, 2023, 09:58:02 pm
The pair I want to remove requires changes to the web end

How so?

What I suggest could be implemented by changing the csv from this:
Quote
austasc;AUS-TAS;C513;;;(main);austas.c513;
austasc;AUS-TAS;C513;;Lif;Liffey Falls (branch);austas.c513lif;
to this:
Quote
austasc;AUS-TAS;C513;;;main;austas.c513;
austasc;AUS-TAS;C513;;Lif;Liffey Falls;austas.c513lif;
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on July 17, 2023, 03:58:48 am
But that will treat tertiary descriptor information like main and branch as secondary location information like Liffey Falls.

Your solution gives "C513 (main)" and "C513 (Liffey Falls branch)"

What I want is "C513 (main)" and "C513 Liffey Falls (branch)"

And I prefer what I currently get "C513 ((main))" and "C513 (Liffey Falls (branch))" to the first option.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: michih on July 17, 2023, 02:33:46 pm
Does "(branch)" have an added value at all?
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on July 17, 2023, 03:54:37 pm
Does "(branch)" have an added value at all?
Yes - it makes it clear that it's not a disattached segment of main route.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on July 18, 2023, 08:05:30 pm
I will note that there are other (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=duke87&r=oh.i480war) examples (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=duke87&r=md.i395was) of route branches (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=duke87&r=ny.ny344cop) with no explicit label of such in the HB. I would think precedent suggests dropping it.
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on October 08, 2023, 05:23:23 pm
The 600s:

AUS-TAS C604:
- A1- -> A10

AUS-TAS C606:
- per GIS, end is at intersection at boat ramp access road at http://www.openstreetmap.org?lat=-42.50956&lon=146.64892

AUS-TAS C618:
- extend north to intersection with Clear View Rd. This is the end per GIS and signage at C645 junction supports it.

AUS-TAS C620:
- A10 -> A6

AUS-TAS C631:
- not signed, delete

AUS-TAS C632:
- C631 -> ArveRd_W

AUS-TAS C635:
- extend east to A6, this section of road is C635, not C636

AUS-TAS C636:
- truncate to C635 junction
- extend south slightly to far end of Cockle Creek Bridge (per GIS)
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: Duke87 on December 17, 2023, 02:25:58 pm
The 700s and 800s:

AUS-TAS C708:
- per GIS, end should be slightly further east at northward curve, around http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-41.150563&lon=-573.455778

AUS-TAS C740:
- per GIS, does not extend onto park grounds. Truncate to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-41.149900&lon=-573.395291

AUS-TAS C819:
- RetRd -> RetRd_S

AUS-TAS C830:
- McKayRd -> McKRd

AUS-TAS C831:
- point C832 needs to be split to C832_S and C832_N, there are two distinct intersections

AUS-TAS C832:
- point C831 needs to be split to C831_W and C831_E, there are two distinct intersections

AUS-TAS C839:
- RacRd_S -> RacRd_W

AUS-TAS C843:
- C846 -> EddPtRd

AUS-TAS C845:
- per GIS, endpoint is at cul-de-sac slightly past Russel Rd, not at Russel Rd

AUS-TAS C846:
- not signed, delete

AUS-TAS C848:
- per GIS, endpoint is at small parking area where OSM has road going from secondary to tertiary

AUS-TAS C850:
- per GIS, endpoint is at Gulch Rd, one block shy of Bay View Ave

AUS-TAS C852:
- per GIS, endpoint is where OSM has road going from secondary to residential


Since there are no 900s this concludes peer review of austasc
Title: Re: Australia
Post by: si404 on January 10, 2024, 09:06:14 am
AUS-TAS C831:
- point C832 needs to be split to C832_S and C832_N, there are two distinct intersections

AUS-TAS C832:
- point C831 needs to be split to C831_W and C831_E, there are two distinct intersections

Not sure there are - they physically overlap! https://www.google.com/maps/@-41.1308526,147.5531518,3a,75y,238.59h,63.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slL0LKuUWYOJja5_RhnNt-g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu