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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: froggie on October 23, 2016, 10:23:43 am

Title: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 23, 2016, 10:23:43 am
I have (slowly) begun work on adding Mississippi state highways, starting with their 1/2-digit routes (1 to 76).  The two primary sources for determining route designation are MDOT's 2014 Selected Statistics book (most recent year), which includes a route log, and their State Designated/State Maintained map, most recently updated two months ago (August, 2016).  Both sources are available online under the Planning Division part of MDOT's website.

Directional routing should be pretty straightforward.  All even routes are signed east-west and all odd-routes are signed north-south, even if they geographically have a different direction (such as MS 315).

Three-digit routes will be added in a future phase, at least through the 600s.  One issue that will have to be considered down the road are the 7xx, 8xx, and 9xx routes.  Historically, these were hidden routes.  However, some of them (such as MS 792 south of Columbus and MS 854 near NAS Meridian) have been signed in recent years.  I have three ideas how to address this:

- Not include any of the 7xx-9xx routes
- Include only those routes that are signed.  This would require a significant research effort to locate and attempt to find signage...impossible for me to do in the field now.
- Include all 7xx-9xx routes

Suggests/comments are welcome.

I have a similar issue with "locally maintained" routes.  These are state-designated routes or route segments, but are not maintained by MDOT.  For the most part (based on my past experience, since I was stationed in Mississippi twice for a total of 7 years), they're unsigned.  However, there are a number of these locally maintained route segments (including MS 50, MS 430, and MS 537) that are in between MDOT-maintained segments.  My inkling is to include these locally maintained segments if they'e directly connected to a state-maintained segment, even if the locally-maintained leg is unsigned (as is also the case with at least one part of US 11 within Mississippi).  Looking for suggestions on how to address this.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: mapcat on October 23, 2016, 02:27:45 pm
Great to know that you're working on these!

Since the general guidelines seem to be to include signed routes and ignore unsigned routes, to me it would make sense to include the signed 600, 700, and 800 series. As for researching whether or not they're signed, I can't see how using GMSV would be improper for this. If any lack imagery, leave them out until someone can field-check.

For the non-state-maintained routes, I agree with you that only those connected to a signed state-maintained segment deserve to be included. In the off chance that one of these is signed (formerly state-maintained, perhaps?) I'd be inclined to include it.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: froggie on October 24, 2016, 07:15:47 am
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As for researching whether or not they're signed, I can't see how using GMSV would be improper for this.

Because Mississippi has some big GMSV holes as far as recent coverage.  Much of the state's coverage still dates back to 2008-09.  GMSV also has a tendency to not go down some of these lesser roadways...the type these 7xx-9xx route numbers are most likely to be on.

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For the non-state-maintained routes, I agree with you that only those connected to a signed state-maintained segment deserve to be included. In the off chance that one of these is signed (formerly state-maintained, perhaps?) I'd be inclined to include it.

Here, it gets murky, because Mississippi is by far not the only state that has such state-designated but locally-maintained routes.  This was before your time, but it was a big sticking point for getting Vermont activated on the old CHM.  A number of NYS routes are also locally-maintained.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: michih on October 24, 2016, 07:30:47 am
- Include only those routes that are signed.  This would require a significant research effort to locate and attempt to find signage...impossible for me to do in the field now.

I have a general question. What's the reason why unsigned roads are not drafted?

If there's official data (e.g. map of the road authority) and it's "signed" on maps and GPS, I see no reason why to exclude these routes.
Quite the contrary, I've seen signs on (European) roads which are not dedicated like the signs show! For instance, road numbers on signs at roads which just head to the indicated road...
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: yakra on October 24, 2016, 12:50:26 pm
Here, it gets murky, because Mississippi is by far not the only state that has such state-designated but locally-maintained routes.  This was before your time, but it was a big sticking point for getting Vermont activated on the old CHM.  A number of NYS routes are also locally-maintained.
The real kicker here for Tim on CHM was how a different style of route marker usually appeared on the town-maintained sections. (He was also conflating this with the concept of VT's Town Highways, something that I don't think we were ever able to straighten him out on before just kinda giving up...) Contrast that against NYS, or even ME & NH having the same style route marker on locally maintained sections.

I have a general question. What's the reason why unsigned roads are not drafted?

If there's official data (e.g. map of the road authority) and it's "signed" on maps and GPS, I see no reason why to exclude these routes.
The idea was to have a system that matches, as close as we can get it, what's actually posted out there in the field. Something accessible that Joe Traveler can understand and follow signs for, and not esoteric obscurity that only makes sense to hardcore roadgeeks.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: michih on October 24, 2016, 01:15:01 pm
The idea was to have a system that matches, as close as we can get it, what's actually posted out there in the field.

I think most of the drafting work must be spent to fulfill this requirement.

Something accessible that Joe Traveler can understand and follow signs for, and not esoteric obscurity that only makes sense to hardcore roadgeeks.

I don't think that he can remember all road signs. I think today's Joe Traveler is just useing GPS which usually have these "esoteric data".

Why to spend a lot of effort on it? Just because a rule was set in stone?
Why not updating rules to today's occurrences?

Well, froggie asked and I think we could discuss it. If mayority is refusing, I'll accept the decision.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: bejacob on October 24, 2016, 04:29:13 pm
I won't swear to it, but aren't there already some unsigned routes in the system? I don't recall seeing any signage for ID US95SprPay. Seems that the same was true in OK on US69BusDur/US75BusDur. Lots of "To US69" and "To US75" signs along the way, but nothing indicating the bannered routes.

These would be cases that the only way anyone would know to try to clinch these routes would be to research it here first. I think it's safe to say these route are official. It's just that there is no signage along the route. Perhaps business and spur routes might be different than unsigned primary routes. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: oscar on October 24, 2016, 05:29:04 pm
I won't swear to it, but aren't there already some unsigned routes in the system? I don't recall seeing any signage for ID US95SprPay. Seems that the same was true in OK on US69BusDur/US75BusDur. Lots of "To US69" and "To US75" signs along the way, but nothing indicating the bannered routes.

These would be cases that the only way anyone would know to try to clinch these routes would be to research it here first. I think it's safe to say these route are official. It's just that there is no signage along the route. Perhaps business and spur routes might be different than unsigned primary routes. Just my two cents.

In Idaho, I flagged some unsigned spur routes I noticed while clinching them. They were promptly removed from what was then CHM's database.

There are some exceptions we've made to the rule, most notably for unsigned Interstates like I-595 in MD and I-444 in OK. I think there may be other exceptions for non-U.S. systems.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: Bickendan on October 25, 2016, 03:58:50 am
Also, Oregon's actually pretty bad about unsigned routes. The 2002 decision to sign them was what prompted the whole system to be included, but as I've noticed during my travels across the state, it's spotty and inconsistent at best. I really, really need to finish cleaning up the Routes set to bring them up to our standards, and this will include 'removing' the unsigned Routes -- quotes used, because since they're intended to be signed but aren't, I'll be moving them into a new Highways set.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: si404 on October 25, 2016, 05:00:58 am
One issue that will have to be considered down the road are the 7xx, 8xx, and 9xx routes.  Historically, these were hidden routes.  However, some of them (such as MS 792 south of Columbus and MS 854 near NAS Meridian) have been signed in recent years.  I have three ideas how to address this:

- Not include any of the 7xx-9xx routes
- Include only those routes that are signed.  This would require a significant research effort to locate and attempt to find signage...impossible for me to do in the field now.
- Include all 7xx-9xx routes
Include routes you know to be signed, and not do much research on the others, waiting for people to say "this route is signed" before including it?
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: Jim on October 25, 2016, 08:36:56 am
Every state has its quirks.  When drafting usany, I was fortunate that documentation and signage (almost) always match.  The "touring routes" are signed and part of usany, and the "reference route" are not, and are not included (even the erroneously signed 990V).  I have vague interest in adding reference routes as a separate system some day for completeness but primarily for better connectivity in my academic project's graph data.  The big exception are the truck routes that we included based only on signage and don't really know if we have them all.  Adding and removing them based on field reports and painful GMSV research isn't a great way to run things.

Then in drafting usama, we broke up the "A" routes even though I recall that officially they're concurrent with the parent route between segments.  We also included the signed 2A in Shelburne Falls, even though it's not an official state route.

Seems to me a good approach for usams might be to put the signed sections of the 7xx-9xx routes into a separate system that might never get activated.  They'd be there for those who want to see and clinch them but would remain preview until we could somehow be confident we had an accurate collection.
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: mapmikey on October 25, 2016, 08:59:22 pm


Because Mississippi has some big GMSV holes as far as recent coverage.  Much of the state's coverage still dates back to 2008-09.  GMSV also has a tendency to not go down some of these lesser roadways...the type these 7xx-9xx route numbers are most likely to be on.


Here, it gets murky, because Mississippi is by far not the only state that has such state-designated but locally-maintained routes.  This was before your time, but it was a big sticking point for getting Vermont activated on the old CHM.  A number of NYS routes are also locally-maintained.

It turns out a majority (40 of 67) of the 7xx routes are signed:

701 Potts Camp - unsigned (2014 GMSV)
702 Michigan City - signed (2016 GMSV)
703 Byhalia - unsigned (2014 GMSV)
704 LAmar - signed (2009 GMSV) - https://goo.gl/maps/YKcjkzGzero
705 Hicory Flat - unsigned (2014 GMSV)
706 Sidon - signed on both ends (2009-2016 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/mx85RQTv6EN2
713 Robinsonville - signed only at MS 304 and I69 (2015 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/y3BtPXHg69M2
714 Sledge - signed on both ends (2014 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/PrK6ykCXNwG2
716 - unsigned (2014 GMSV)
718 Courtland - signed on both ends (2014 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/iQUEPYfRc9E2
720 near Courtland - signed from US 51 but not I-55 (2014 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/1QtreVuARuu
722 Pope - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/wfqk2JhJ5or
723 near Bruce - signed as Pentagon 233 (GMSV 2014)
724 Enid - signed only at US 51 (end maint sign does exist though) (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/BqauH2rxEXK2
725 Batesville - signed at both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/311UD8zrejw
726 Tutwiler - signed at both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/PpqBwRbWEbr
727 Oakland - signed at both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/SBJqxo7iZmt
728 Sumner - signed at both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/dNcTYXuLnhk
729 Grenada - signed as MS 7 from US 51; there may be 1 MS 729 shield on I55 SB ramp (no GMSV from the front side)
731 Kosciusko - signed at both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/fDdbzX1DKtp
732 near Charleston - signed at MS 35 (GMSV 2014) no view at other end https://goo.gl/maps/VDYMmtEy1As
733 Taylor - signed at MS 328 only (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/XazCJrvYwyt
734 Glendora - signed at US 49E only (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/TtWjDrHh6AK2
735 Kosciusko - two piece route signed on both ends of both pieces (break is on Jefferson St btw Wells and Huntington)
736 Williamsville - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/98J5t4TVWak
738 E Oxford - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
739 Ethel - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/faYMTJdyg2C2
740 Senatobia - signed on both ends (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/Gx9s6tNtJ4C2
741 s of Kosciusko - signed at MS 35 (GMSV 2016) and not at other end (GMSV 2009) https://goo.gl/maps/FSqtL53qvdr
743 Greenwood - signed on both ends (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/QSpMVJXzyP82
744 Greenwood - signed at both ends (despite its short length) (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/unctosWkbVA2
745 Kilmichael - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/DZRfmdTUSYk
747 southaven - not signed (GMSV 2016)
758 Louisville - not signed (GMSV 2016)
759 Ackerman - not signed (GMSV)
760 Golden - signed as MS 366 (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/sxjKqESTTm12
761 Myrtle - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
762 Ingomar - signed only at MS 15 (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/mCivgbJ5TUx
763 Maben - signed on both ends (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/v5BSNWB6DFx
764 Blue Springs - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
765 Cumberland - signed from MS 50 (GMSV 2014); from the Trace it is signed as MS 50 https://goo.gl/maps/6D9RrFweEDr
766 Saltillo - signed from MS 145 (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/vYHt8Phb6ap
767 s of Golden - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
768 s of Ackerman - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
769 Tupelo - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
770 Pontotoc - signed as MS 9 WB, TO 15-41 EB (GMSV 2014)
772 Algoma - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/tVhGUQJGTaA2
773 Ripley - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/MeMCDoM315M2
774 Nettleton - signed EB as MS 6, TO 145 WB (GMSV 2013)
775 Starkville - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
776 near Bigbee - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
777 Walnut - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
778 Blue Spring - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
779 Glen - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
780 Sherman - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
781 Cedar Bluff - not signed (GMSV 2013)
782 Mantee - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/TZyTXA335kF2
784 Walthall - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/Y9vVoewKRoy
785 Corinth - signed only at US 72 (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/NL85E2YNH3q
786 Columbus AFB - signed only at US 45 (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/BWK5sWGDmWJ2
788 Artesia - signed only at US 45 ALT (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/EmXVMMBfi9K2
789 Columbus - signed at US 45 and at a turn 2/3 of its distance away but not at MS 791 (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/8Hv9cpxAa9F2
790 n of Ackerman - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/hSkUYm4sYdD2
791 Columbus - signed on both ends (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/NohDneCuFfA2
792 Crawford - signed on both ends (GMSV 2009/2016) https://goo.gl/maps/DVubvhLNJmQ2
793 Paden unsigned (GMSV 2016)
795 Columbus - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: mapmikey on October 26, 2016, 09:14:01 pm
Signage much more sparse in the 800s (19 of 44) and nearly non-existent in the 900s (just 3 of 23).  Note for all 700-900 series sometimes the unsigned ones did have begin/end maintenance signs.:

801 Crystal Springs - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
802 Alligator - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014)
804 Gunnison - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014)
806 Isola - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
808 Port Gibson - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
810 Sunflower - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
812 Ruleville - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
814 Greenville - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
816 Inverness - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/EhyXB7m2ph92
817 Pace - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/5W5i6pt1QnC2
818 Cruger - unsigned at US 49E (GMSV 2013); no GMSV at other end
819 Hermanville - unsigned (GMSV 2009)
820 Drew - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
822 Vicksburg - posted only at MS 27? (GMSV 2016)
824 Anguilla - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014)
826 Rolling Fork - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014)
830 Bentonia - appears to be in 2 pieces, signed at 3 of the 4 endpoints?  (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/2zGccuBUECF2
832 Doddsville - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
834 Vicksburg - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
835 Tchula - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/qQrcLVYK2pt
836 Lexington - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/axpqp3cz47S2
844 Crystal Springs - signed on both ends (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/tjETBsQP7g82
848 Beauregard - signed only in town and not at US 51 (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/RhNmhqwyhZv
850 Wesson signed at both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/bWBbhVMHW132
852 Brooksville - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
853 e of Philadelphia - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
854 Lizelia - signed at both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/KuSNe5kNeNP2
855 Bolton - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
857 Canton - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
859 Madison - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
860 Madison - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
878 Walnut Grove - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/Zr1wLCgu45v
881 Newton - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
882 Harperville - signed from MS 35 (GMSV 2014); no GMSV at other end https://goo.gl/maps/jDa7DSpGvJu
883 Newton - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/8Aa7Sgj3Lwr
884 Meridian - unsigned, stray US 45 Business on it (GMSV 2016)
885 Philadelphia - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
886 Ridgeland - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
888 Morton - signed at MS 13 (GMSV 2014); no GMSV at other end https://goo.gl/maps/rYAdWFr1GN92
890 Bolton - unsigned
892 Homewood - signed at both ends (GMSV 2009) https://goo.gl/maps/QWm9QWDLiKS2
894 Philadelphia - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
895 Toomsuba - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
897 Toomsuba - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
902 Burns - signed on both ends (GMSV 2009-16) https://goo.gl/maps/CkwZ7eeyQak
903 Monticello - unsigned at US 84 (GMSV 2016); no GMSV at other end
904 Wanila - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
905 McComb - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
906 Summit - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
908 Summit - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
911 Gloster - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
913 Gloster - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
915 New Hebron - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
917 Sylvarena - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
923 Osyka - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/Xi6di6SXwQ22
925 Natchez - unsigned (GMSV 2015)
927 Summit - unsigned (GMSV 2009)
928 Natchez - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
930 Natchez - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
932 Natchez - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
937 Prentis - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
938 McComb - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
946 Centreville - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
952 Enterprise - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
967 Hattiesburg - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
969 Hattiesburg - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
992 Picayune - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: Ib3kii on November 17, 2016, 11:09:29 pm
Just a little off-topic, has there been any progress made towards the usaal(Alabama State Routes)?

Thanks,
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Markkos1992 on October 15, 2020, 10:51:23 am
Froggie,  I am not trying to push you, but this was mentioned on the AARoads Forum yesterday.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1224.msg2540690#msg2540690
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Jim on December 25, 2020, 09:41:17 pm
As the only state/provincial system left to draft in the U.S. and Canada, I'd love to see this system get some priority.  Froggie, do you think this will be a priority for you in the near term, and if not, would you be willing to accept some help in drafting this if someone's willing to do it?
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on December 27, 2020, 09:46:20 am
My initial (long-ago) plan was to get Alabama wrapped up before diving head-first into Mississippi.  That plan's been in limbo since Alabama hasn't been reviewed yet.  I can restart work on Mississippi (which has also included updating the Interstate and US lists) even though Alabama isn't done.

One thing that would help would be to update which 700/800/900-series routes are signed, as well as standalone/separated segments of existing routes that are locally maintained (i.e. MS 609 north of I-10 in Jackson County).  Mike had did much of this upthread, but that was also 4 years ago and there may have been some changes since then.

Here are updated official docs from MDOT:

https://mdot.ms.gov/documents/Planning/Statistics/Book/2018%20MDOT%20Public%20Roads%20Statistics%20Extent,%20Travel,%20and%20Designation.pdf

https://mdot.ms.gov/documents/Planning/Maps/State%20Designated%20State%20Maintained/State%20Designated%20State%20Maintained.pdf
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: mapmikey on December 27, 2020, 06:16:03 pm


Because Mississippi has some big GMSV holes as far as recent coverage.  Much of the state's coverage still dates back to 2008-09.  GMSV also has a tendency to not go down some of these lesser roadways...the type these 7xx-9xx route numbers are most likely to be on.


Here, it gets murky, because Mississippi is by far not the only state that has such state-designated but locally-maintained routes.  This was before your time, but it was a big sticking point for getting Vermont activated on the old CHM.  A number of NYS routes are also locally-maintained.

It turns out a majority (40 of 67) of the 7xx routes are signed:

701 Potts Camp - unsigned (2014 GMSV)
702 Michigan City - unsigned (2016 GMSV)
703 Byhalia - unsigned (2019 GMSV)
704 LAmar - signed (2009 GMSV) - https://goo.gl/maps/YKcjkzGzero
705 Hicory Flat - unsigned (2019 GMSV)
706 Sidon - signed on both ends (2009-2016 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/mx85RQTv6EN2
713 Robinsonville - signed only at MS 304 and I69 (2015 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/y3BtPXHg69M2
714 Sledge - signed on both ends (2014 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/PrK6ykCXNwG2
716 - unsigned (2014 GMSV)
718 Courtland - signed on both ends (2014 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/iQUEPYfRc9E2
720 near Courtland - signed from US 51 (2014 GMSV) https://goo.gl/maps/1QtreVuARuu but not I-55 (2019 GMSV)
722 Pope - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/wfqk2JhJ5or
723 near Bruce - signed as Pentagon 233 (GMSV 2014)
724 Enid - signed only at US 51 (end maint sign does exist though at other end) (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/BqauH2rxEXK2
725 Batesville - signed at both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/311UD8zrejw
726 Tutwiler - signed at both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/PpqBwRbWEbr
727 Oakland - signed at both ends (GMSV 2014 east end) https://goo.gl/maps/SBJqxo7iZmt GMSV 2018 west end
728 Sumner - signed at both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/dNcTYXuLnhk
729 Grenada - signed as MS 7 from US 51; there may be 1 MS 729 shield on I55 SB ramp (no GMSV from the front side) - 2018 GMSV shows no 729 shield
731 Kosciusko - signed at both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/fDdbzX1DKtp
732 near Charleston - signed at MS 35 (GMSV 2014) no view at other end https://goo.gl/maps/VDYMmtEy1As
733 Taylor - signed at MS 328 only (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/XazCJrvYwyt
734 Glendora - signed at US 49E only (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/TtWjDrHh6AK2
735 Kosciusko - two piece route signed on both ends of both pieces (break is on Jefferson St btw Wells and Huntington) all points in GMSV 2016
736 Williamsville - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/98J5t4TVWak
738 E Oxford - unsigned (GMSV 2020)
739 Ethel - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/faYMTJdyg2C2
740 Senatobia - signed on both ends (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/Gx9s6tNtJ4C2
741 s of Kosciusko - signed at MS 35 (GMSV 2016) and not at other end (GMSV 2009) https://goo.gl/maps/FSqtL53qvdr
743 Greenwood - signed on both ends (GMSV 2018) https://goo.gl/maps/QSpMVJXzyP82
744 Greenwood - signed at both ends (despite its short length) (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/unctosWkbVA2.  East end no longer signed in 2018 GMSV and can't tell if west end was deposted
745 Kilmichael - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/DZRfmdTUSYk
747 southaven - not signed (GMSV 2019)


Bolded means a change from 4 yrs ago...
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: rlee on December 27, 2020, 08:39:26 pm
744 Greenwood was signed on the west end last time I was up there in August.

857, 859, and 860 near the Canton Nissan plant are all now signed. 860 is only signed on the west end at 857 since it is a dead end route.


744 Greenwood - signed at both ends (despite its short length) (GMSV 2013) https://goo.gl/maps/unctosWkbVA2.  East end no longer signed in 2018 GMSV and can't tell if west end was deposted


Bolded means a change from 4 yrs ago...
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: mapmikey on December 28, 2020, 12:42:26 pm


Because Mississippi has some big GMSV holes as far as recent coverage.  Much of the state's coverage still dates back to 2008-09.  GMSV also has a tendency to not go down some of these lesser roadways...the type these 7xx-9xx route numbers are most likely to be on.


Here, it gets murky, because Mississippi is by far not the only state that has such state-designated but locally-maintained routes.  This was before your time, but it was a big sticking point for getting Vermont activated on the old CHM.  A number of NYS routes are also locally-maintained.


758 Louisville - not signed (GMSV 2016)
759 Ackerman - not signed (GMSV 2016)
760 Golden - co-signed with MS 366 at MS 25 (GMSV 2018) https://goo.gl/maps/yatbPupbh8ZnK3Pw7 east end still has 2016 GSMV
761 Myrtle - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
762 Ingomar - signed only at MS 15 (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/mCivgbJ5TUx
763 Maben - signed on both ends (GMSV 2018) https://goo.gl/maps/v5BSNWB6DFx
764 Blue Springs - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
765 Cumberland - signed from MS 50 (GMSV 2014); from the Trace it is signed as MS 50 https://goo.gl/maps/6D9RrFweEDr
766 Saltillo - signed from MS 145 (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/vYHt8Phb6ap
767 s of Golden - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
768 s of Ackerman - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
768A off 768 - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
769 Tupelo - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
770 Pontotoc - signed as MS 9 WB, TO 15-41 EB (GMSV 2020)
772 Algoma - signed on both ends (GMSV 2020) https://goo.gl/maps/tVhGUQJGTaA2
773 Ripley - signed at MS 2 (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/MeMCDoM315M2
774 Nettleton - signed EB as MS 6, TO 145 WB (GMSV 2013)
775 Starkville - unsigned (GMSV 2020)
776 near Bigbee - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
777 Walnut - unsigned (GMSV 2013)
778 Blue Spring - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
779 Glen - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
780 Sherman - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
781 Cedar Bluff - not signed (GMSV 2013)
782 Mantee - signed on both ends (GMSV 2020) https://goo.gl/maps/TZyTXA335kF2
784 Walthall - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/Y9vVoewKRoy
785 Corinth - signed only at US 72 (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/NL85E2YNH3q
786 Columbus AFB - signed only at US 45 (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/BWK5sWGDmWJ2
788 Artesia - signed only at US 45 ALT (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/EmXVMMBfi9K2
789 Columbus - signed at US 45 and at a turn 2/3 of its distance away but not at MS 791 (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/8Hv9cpxAa9F2
790 n of Ackerman - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/hSkUYm4sYdD2
791 Columbus - signed on both ends (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/NohDneCuFfA2
792 Crawford - signed on both ends (GMSV 2009/2016) https://goo.gl/maps/DVubvhLNJmQ2
793 Paden unsigned (GMSV 2016)
795 Columbus - now signed at MS 69 (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/Z8W94qqWjWGX7iuEA
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: mapmikey on December 28, 2020, 08:48:03 pm
Signage much more sparse in the 800s (19 of 44) and nearly non-existent in the 900s (just 3 of 23).  Note for all 700-900 series sometimes the unsigned ones did have begin/end maintenance signs.:

801 Crystal Springs - signed at south end (GMSV 2016)
802 Alligator - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016)
804 Gunnison - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014)
806 Isola - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
808 Port Gibson - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
809 - Greenville - unsigned east end (GMSV 2019), no GMSV other end
810 Sunflower - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
812 Ruleville - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
814 Greenville - signed at south end (GMSV 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/87c9kZcZi8bqm9kN9
816 Inverness - signed on both ends (GMSV 2018) https://goo.gl/maps/EhyXB7m2ph92
817 Pace - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/5W5i6pt1QnC2
818 Cruger - unsigned at US 49E (GMSV 2016); no GMSV at other end
819 Hermanville - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
820 Drew - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
822 Vicksburg - posted only at MS 27? (GMSV 2016), found posting at east end (visible from I-20 2019 GMSV) - https://goo.gl/maps/oFBu9h4TXzWk5yvu9
824 Anguilla - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016)
826 Rolling Fork - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016)
830 Bentonia - appears to be in 2 pieces, signed at 3 of the 4 endpoints?  (GMSV 2018) https://goo.gl/maps/2zGccuBUECF2
832 Doddsville - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
834 Vicksburg - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
835 Tchula - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/qQrcLVYK2pt
836 Lexington - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/axpqp3cz47S2
844 Crystal Springs - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/tjETBsQP7g82
848 Beauregard - signed only in town and not at US 51 (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/RhNmhqwyhZv
850 Wesson signed at both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/bWBbhVMHW132  posting at US 51 gone in 2019 GMSV, east end still 2014
852 Brooksville - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
853 e of Philadelphia - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
854 Lizelia - signed at both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/KuSNe5kNeNP2
855 Bolton - unsigned (GMSV 2014)


Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: cl94 on December 28, 2020, 09:04:39 pm
Here, it gets murky, because Mississippi is by far not the only state that has such state-designated but locally-maintained routes.  This was before your time, but it was a big sticking point for getting Vermont activated on the old CHM.  A number of NYS routes are also locally-maintained.

Heh, I never realized that MS had so many locally-maintained routes. Local/county maintenance is pretty common in most of the New England states, NY, and NJ, but mostly unheard of elsewhere outside of large cities (i.e. Ohio, where the large cities maintain their own roads, but nobody else does). VT is just unique because extended sections of local maintenance get a different shield, but it's not unusual for a state route in NY to be co-posted as a county route (indeed, I have purposely featured such routes on both road meets I have hosted).
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: mapmikey on December 29, 2020, 08:13:57 pm

857 Canton - unsigned (GMSV 2013) - defer to rlee post
859 Madison - unsigned (GMSV 2016) - defer to rlee post
860 Madison - unsigned (GMSV 2016) - defer to rlee post
878 Walnut Grove - signed on both ends (GMSV 2018) https://goo.gl/maps/Zr1wLCgu45v
881 Newton - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
882 Harperville - signed on both ends (GMSV 2018) https://goo.gl/maps/jDa7DSpGvJu
883 Newton - signed on both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/8Aa7Sgj3Lwr
884 Meridian - unsigned, stray US 45 Business on it (GMSV 2016)
885 Philadelphia - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
886 Ridgeland - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
888 Morton - signed at MS 13 (GMSV 2018); no GMSV at other end https://goo.gl/maps/rYAdWFr1GN92
889 Chunky - unsigned GMSV 2019
890 Bolton - unsigned GMSV 2019
892 Homewood - signed at both ends (GMSV 2016) https://goo.gl/maps/QWm9QWDLiKS2
894 Philadelphia - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
895 Toomsuba - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
897 Toomsuba - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
902 Burns - signed on both ends (GMSV 2009-16) https://goo.gl/maps/CkwZ7eeyQak
903 Monticello - unsigned at US 84 (GMSV 2018); no GMSV at other end
904 Wanila - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
905 McComb - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
906 Summit - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
908 Summit - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
911 Gloster - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
913 Gloster - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
915 New Hebron - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
917 Sylvarena - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
923 Osyka - signed on both ends (GMSV 2014) https://goo.gl/maps/Xi6di6SXwQ22
925 Natchez - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
927 Summit - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
928 Natchez - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
930 Natchez - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
932 Natchez - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
937 Prentis - unsigned (GMSV 2014)
938 McComb - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
946 Centreville - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
952 Enterprise - unsigned (GMSV 2016)
967 Hattiesburg - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
969 Hattiesburg - unsigned (GMSV 2019)
992 Picayune - unsigned (GMSV 2018)
Title: Re: usams (Mississippi State Highways)
Post by: rlee on February 06, 2021, 07:30:04 pm
Quick update from the field:

736 Williamsville - Still well signed at both ends.

741 s of Kosciusko - signed at both ends
North end on Nile Rd CR 1022 is signed by the gas pipeline facility: https://maps.app.goo.gl/2cZ2vrVqni9Hkztt5

758 Louisville - still unsigned. MDOT added signs for To N Church Ave to the loop ramp for MS 758 WB, but no route markers.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on March 13, 2021, 05:32:17 pm
A couple of field updates from a trip to Natchez:

The MS 930/932 duplex in Natchez is signed as MS 930 only on both ends; it is a north-south route. There were no MS 932 signs. I didn't get a chance to check the other 9xx routes in town since I was a passenger on the ride.

MS 818 in Port Gibson is listed as locally maintained. Scratch that one off the to-do list.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on April 04, 2021, 06:17:09 pm
The west end of MS 888 (Roosevelt State Park off MS 13 near Morton) is odd. The MDOT maintenance is at the state park sign by the overlook turn in (MDOT is repaving it to that spot), but the only eastbound shield is just east of the park gate.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on April 20, 2021, 10:41:11 am
How much work has been done for Mississippi to date? I may be able to provide some assistance putting waypoint files together.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: kjslaughter on April 21, 2021, 04:11:30 pm
I'm planning a trip to Mississippi between Tupelo and Meridian first weekend in June if you need validation on any signs in the field, though looking at my route, looks like 3xx and 4xx are the highest number routes I'll be on, at least that I can see on OpenStreetMap.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on April 21, 2021, 11:32:02 pm
The short 7xx (northern MS), 8xx (central MS), and 9xx (southern MS) routes are the ones that are questionable. Upthread is a list if what is or isn't known based on streetview and field observations.

I'm planning a trip to Mississippi between Tupelo and Meridian first weekend in June if you need validation on any signs in the field, though looking at my route, looks like 3xx and 4xx are the highest number routes I'll be on, at least that I can see on OpenStreetMap.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: jayhawkco on April 22, 2021, 04:09:32 pm
You can add me to the list of people who would be willing to help with MS to get all 50 states done.

Chris
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: jayhawkco on August 31, 2021, 06:23:23 pm
Just bumping this for visibility.  We've had maybe 5 people in various threads volunteer to help with this, but without much response to those offers.  I know very little about Mississippi other than the ~10 times I've driven through, but I'm happy to work on this so we can get all 50 states finally done.  I'd just need a little guidance on how to do things to standard, but I believe I could get it done pretty quickly.  Just more or less need someone to give me a go ahead and we could wrap this up.

Chris
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: michih on September 01, 2021, 06:21:03 am
I'd just need a little guidance on how to do things to standard, but I believe I could get it done pretty quickly.  Just more or less need someone to give me a go ahead and we could wrap this up.

Thanks for the offer!

https://travelmapping.net/participate.php#hwydatamanager

I think no.4/5 are your next steps :)
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on September 01, 2021, 09:36:28 pm
Best way to help, at this point, is to peer review Alabama.  It has been my preference to complete Alabama before I tackle Mississippi.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Jim on September 01, 2021, 10:20:01 pm
Perhaps it would help if one of our experienced highway data managers could take the pass through to clean up the usai and usaus routes so those aren't holding up progress on usams?
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: jayhawkco on September 01, 2021, 10:50:56 pm
Best way to help, at this point, is to peer review Alabama.  It has been my preference to complete Alabama before I tackle Mississippi.

I can start tackling that then.  No problem.

Chris
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on September 01, 2021, 10:57:29 pm
I've already started that.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: osu-lsu on September 02, 2021, 12:03:12 am
Best way to help, at this point, is to peer review Alabama.  It has been my preference to complete Alabama before I tackle Mississippi.

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usaal Alabama State Highways reviewer: formulanone

Maybe Adam should try touching base with formulanone first.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on September 03, 2021, 08:43:33 am
Best way to help, at this point, is to peer review Alabama.  It has been my preference to complete Alabama before I tackle Mississippi.

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usaal Alabama State Highways reviewer: formulanone

Maybe Adam should try touching base with formulanone first.

Sorry, I've been really tied up (well, distracted).
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 09, 2021, 03:27:28 pm
Finished the Mississippi Interstate and US route cleanup and that got posted this past week.  Starting to work on the state routes and already run into my first problem:

MS 4 & MS 7 in Holly Springs.

Close to a decade ago, Marshall County built what is effectively a northern bypass of Holly Springs, along Landfill Rd and Eddie Lee Smith Dr.  There appears to have been an intention to reroute both MS 4 and MS 7 onto it.  GMSV shows some signage of such, but is both inconsistent and confusing.  Recent MDOT maps and data, however, indicate that MS 4 and MS 7 still go through the center of town.

What I'm hoping for is someone who can do an actual in-person field check to see if it's signed as MS 4/MS 7 and, if so, if signage has been removed through town and if there's any indications along I-22.  I've also shared this field check request on AARoads.


For now, I'm drafting the Holly Springs lists as if the routes still go through the center of town, pending conclusive/consistent evidence stating otherwise.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on October 10, 2021, 09:56:29 am
I took MS 4 from US 45 to MS 7 (then onto MS 311) back in July; my photos show that the northern bypass of Holly Springs isn't signed yet. However, one sign assembly appears to have a sign covered up, so I don't know what that might be. Google might have the right idea, but the signage is on the old alignment...for now.

I have not yet traversed downtown Holly Springs.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 10, 2021, 10:50:33 am
Sticking with the downtown alignments for the time being.

And on that note, I decided to just plow ahead on the MS routes, despite AL not being peer reviewed.  Created a pull request for MS1-MS12 on Github.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 13, 2021, 05:07:35 pm
Created a pull request for routes from 13 to 30 plus an Easter egg, and added usams as a development system so hopefully it will be shown in the HB.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: yakra on October 13, 2021, 05:31:42 pm
The Easter egg being MS836 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1089182,-90.0526288,3a,36.3y,350.76h,89.62t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sy5oa0XRIJ0NqWCdjsV38tw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i40)?
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 13, 2021, 07:32:13 pm
Yep, which was not where I expected it to be.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on October 13, 2021, 10:23:26 pm
Yay!

MS5 has points for MS5_N and MS5_S, which should be MS4_N and MS4_S.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 13, 2021, 11:56:14 pm
That'll be fixed in the next round of routes I upload, whenever that winds up happening.  Don't have another day off until Sunday.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 17, 2021, 08:49:17 pm
Spent most of the day working on Mississippi routes, fixed the above-mentioned label error and a couple others, added the remaining 2-digit routes, and added all of the 1xx/2xx routes.  Assuming they'll be online after this evening's site update.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: clong on October 18, 2021, 11:57:19 am
MS42's overlap with I-59 in Hattiesburg has labels I-55(67) and I-55(69).
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 18, 2021, 12:50:07 pm
Yeah, that's an oops.  Will be fixed when I upload my next round.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on October 18, 2021, 04:16:38 pm
Quick review:

MS145Abe... Change endpoints to US 45_N and US45/25 (or US45_S)

MS145Boi... I don't think MDOT kept this very short piece of Old 45. I've never seen a state highway sign for it. Delete it?

MS145Mac, MS145Shq, MS145Shu ... change the end points to US45_S and US45_N

MS145Net... change end points to US45/278_N and US45/278_S (I would prefer omitting 278 myself)

MS145Mer... Change point MS145Cla to US45Cla. Change point MS145Mer_S to US45Mer or US45Mer_S.

MS149Inv... change endpoints to US49W_S and US49W_N.

MS149Men... change endpoints to US49_S and US49_N.

MS161Cla... change north end to US49/61 and south end to US61/278. I would prefer going with US61_N and US61_S and omitting the other routes.

MS161She, MS161Wal... change endpoints to US61_N and US61_S

MS172... change east end to US72_E

MS182Eup, MS182Kil... change endpoints to US82_W and US82_E

MS184Bro... I’ve ways considered this two separate routes.
- West half is from US84 to US51.
- East half starts at intersection of Brookway Blvd and Monticello St (BroBlvd) and heads east to US84. Brookway Blvd is not a state maintained route, and there are no MS 184 signs (or even To MS 184) signs on it.
- MS 550 starts at Monticello St and Schwem Ave and heads north on Schwem. There is a 1 block gap separating MS184 from MS550.
- Change MS583 to 1stSt. MS 583 ends at Dreamy Tr  just north of US 84 and does not reach MS 184.

MS184Bud... The old highway is locally maintained inside the Meadville city limits (end state maintenance signs are on each city limit sign). Neither end of the Meadville half of MS 184 (between US 84 W a.d the 84/98 interchange) is signed as MS184. That may be to discourage thru traffic on the city section. The Bude half is fully signed as MS184 (including US98 overlap) and fully state maintained. This is a tricky one.

MS184Mon, MS184Lau... change endpoints to US84_W and US84_E

MS184Way... change US84 to US45.

MS198Col... change endpoints to US98/13 and US98 (or US98_W and US98_E).

MS198Luc... change endpoints to US98_W and US98_E.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 19, 2021, 10:54:18 am
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MS145Boi... I don't think MDOT kept this very short piece of Old 45. I've never seen a state highway sign for it. Delete it?

It was signed at one point, but that may have been back in my own Mississippi days which are 13 years ago now at this point.  Don't see any signs on GMSV, so yeah I'll delete it.  Also going to take out the associated points on US 45 since they're not needed (or in use).

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MS184Bro... I’ve ways considered this two separate routes.
- West half is from US84 to US51.
- East half starts at intersection of Brookway Blvd and Monticello St (BroBlvd) and heads east to US84. Brookway Blvd is not a state maintained route, and there are no MS 184 signs (or even To MS 184) signs on it.
- MS 550 starts at Monticello St and Schwem Ave and heads north on Schwem. There is a 1 block gap separating MS184 from MS550.
- Change MS583 to 1stSt. MS 583 ends at Dreamy Tr  just north of US 84 and does not reach MS 184.

This was a tricky one (same as Bude below).  MDOT data shows all of MS 184 east of 51 as state-maintained (both along Brockway and along Monticello), which is why I included 184 the entire length.  Data also shows 550 and 583 as continuous routes with MS 550 ending at Brockway/Monticello and 583 ending at 1st/184(Monticello).  For this reason, and despite them not being signed from Monticello proper (but signed a couple blocks away), I went with the 550 and 583 labels.

For now, I'm going to leave it as-is.

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MS184Bud... The old highway is locally maintained inside the Meadville city limits (end state maintenance signs are on each city limit sign). Neither end of the Meadville half of MS 184 (between US 84 W a.d the 84/98 interchange) is signed as MS184. That may be to discourage thru traffic on the city section. The Bude half is fully signed as MS184 (including US98 overlap) and fully state maintained. This is a tricky one.

I pondered this one for awhile as I was making it.  My conclusion was that, since it's all one continuous route and is well signed from the 84/98 interchange east, I opted to leave it all in as one.


Made all other changes and created a pull request on Github.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 26, 2021, 07:08:00 pm
Pull request on Github for the 3xx routes.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Jim on October 26, 2021, 11:34:23 pm
Up to 3xx live on the main site.

Quick note: I have a long-time .list entry for MS302 anticipating this system that used I-55/69 as a label.  The manual looks a little fuzzy about this, so either the I-55 in the new .wpt file or the I-55/69 that I anticipated seem to be acceptable.

Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: yakra on October 27, 2021, 09:44:57 am
AIUI, slashing a second route into a label is allowed but not required.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 27, 2021, 11:13:38 am
^ That was my understanding as well.

Given that it technically is both 55 and 69 there, I'll include both in my next update.  In a related vein, I've generally been doing 22/78 and 278/6 for labels along cross-routes, unless it's a case like on 178 where there are multiple interchanges along 22.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Jim on October 27, 2021, 12:34:19 pm
I'm fine either way on that I-55 or I-55/69 label as it does appear to be at the maintainer's option.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: the_spui_ninja on October 27, 2021, 08:31:11 pm
So I don't necessarily want to butt in on the review process, but the one MS route I've clinched (MS 333 Scenic) actually connects to I-55 on both ends (MS 8 signage (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7856293,-89.8374353,3a,25.6y,137.27h,82.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sxyhzicRx0M8PI4PWkNmavA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DxyhzicRx0M8PI4PWkNmavA%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D233.99554%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)) (MS 7 Signage (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8641059,-89.8398569,3a,75y,62.57h,81.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saTtbPaesD2WdY0jCgUOtqw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)). Sorry if I'm interrupting anything but just wanted to contribute the one thing I know about MS.

Also, is there any conceivable way to make this shield in particular blue (since it is in the field)? If not that's not a big deal.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on October 27, 2021, 08:52:35 pm
The four Scenic loops in north Mississippi (32, 304, 315, and 333) start and end at I-55. All are well signed on both ends at I-55 and every turn along the way, but they are a mix of state and local maintenance. There is a separate section of state code that establishes the four scenic routes and authorizes signage (but not full state maintenance).

MS 32 Scenic starts at I-55(227), heads west on MS 32, then north on US 51 to CR 35, then follows CR 35 to Enid Lake. It leaves Enid Lake on CR 36 back to I-55(233).

MS 304 Scenic begins at I-55(271) and heads west on MS 306 to US 51. It follows US 51 south to Central Ave in Coldwater, then turns west on Central Ave which becomes Arkabutla Rd. It turns north on Arkabutla Dam Rd which becomes Pratt Rd, then turns north on "Hwy 301" to the 4 way stop at Old 304 and MS 301, then east following Old 304 and Commerce St back to I-55(280).

MS 315 Scenic starts at I-55(246) and follows MS 35 to Sardis Lake. It goes over Sardis Dam as shown in the browser, then follows MS 315 west back to I-55(252)

MS 333 Scenic starts at I-55(206) and heads east on MS 8 before splitting to head to Grenada Lake and MS 7. It is cosigned with MS 7 back to I-55(211).

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on October 27, 2021, 10:37:01 pm
I'm going to have to reevaluate including the scenic routes.  The only reason I put them in to begin with is because part of the 333 scenic loop is actually vanilla MS 333 (albeit "locally maintained").  Not all the turns are "well signed", either....there's no indication (at least on GMSV) that one turns left at MS 7 to get back to I-55.  333 is also unsigned from US 51 from what I can tell, nor is there any indication that Scenic 315 follows actual 315 back to I-55.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: the_spui_ninja on October 28, 2021, 11:49:57 am
They're signed better than some Colorado routes I have in the HB, and it was clear enough where 333 Scenic went from I think just a Rand McNally that I was able to follow it; just my two cents.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on December 12, 2021, 04:05:12 pm
Notes from the field:

MS 333 Scenic is fully signed on MS 8 and MS 7 from I-55 eastward until 333 turns off the respective highways toward Grenada Lake.

Need to add MS 245 (Crawford) and MS 9W to the browser.

Old US 45/45A and the 7xx route in Brooksville were recently paved by MDOT but remain unsigned (and Old 45/45A unnumbered).

Signage at US 45 and MS 39 in Shuqualak says "To MS 21 South". Signage at MS 145 and MS 39 has MS 21 South Signage but not MS 21 North. It looks like MS 21 ends at MS 145 instead of US 45.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: osu-lsu on February 12, 2022, 03:24:56 pm
I know Froggie has previously stated dreading work
 on the 7xx routes for Mississippi (inconsistent routing/signage/responsibility)
I stopped in Kosciusko for lunch, earlier in the week, and noted signage on the south & east side of town for MS 731 & MS 735 running from the SE corner of the city square out to the MS 19/35 bypass of Kosciusko.
MS 731 following Huntington St and MS 735 following Jefferson St.
Just confirming their existence for when the time comes.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Markkos1992 on February 13, 2022, 10:22:52 am
I expect a lot more posts to be added to this thread with the Natchez, MS, meet upcoming next month.  I do plan to attend that meet.

EDIT (4-1-2022): List of Point Concerns Begins Here:
I-20:  131>-130 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3430984,-88.7787011,3a,75y,107.38h,97.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1su-KExhgdCr2__-W4PF_xRQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)  (also affects US 80)
US 49: 
1.  W4thSt>-4thSt.  W7thSt>-7thSt. (Also the shaping point north of W7thSt could probably be removed.)
2.  A graph connection is missing with US 98.
US 61:
1.  Consider replacing the shaping point south of MS24 with a visible point.
2.  Consider replacing the shaping point north of BufRd with a visible point at Carter Loop Rd (CarLoopRd) (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2448868,-91.3208205,3a,15y,100.28h,86.37t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIL1x4So5DqFMS2IL7m26wA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DIL1x4So5DqFMS2IL7m26wA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D340.61145%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656).
3.  Consider replacing the shaping points south of YorkRd with visible points.
4.  Consider replacing the shaping point north of US84_E with a visible point.
5.  A graph connection is missing with NatTraPkwy_S.  (done 6/6/2022)
6.  Consider removing the shaping point south of MS28/33.
7.  Consider replacing the shaping point south of CoonBoxRd with a visible point.
8.  Consider replacing the shaping point south of RusWesRd with a visible point.
9.  Consider replacing the shaping point south of NatTraPkwy_N with a visible point.
10.  Consider replacing the shaping points south of JeffDavRd with visible points at Dogwood Rd (DogRd) (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1269086,-90.926784,3a,15y,75.46h,90.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sej3ZntWB7-0TckQLJQFUEw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and Alexander Rd (AleRd). (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1558154,-90.9440652,3a,75y,256.62h,90.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swHn4A1TqvYjOwuwju2duUA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
11.  Consider replacing the shaping point south of RedRd with a visible point at Glass Rd (GlaRd) (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1963333,-90.9443706,3a,15y,222.17h,88.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDMmnaVQaz3vFcUhlv0MujQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
US 84:  MS184Lau>-MS184Lau_W.  MS184Cleo>-MS184Lau_E.
US 90:
1.  OakStBil>-OakSt_Bil.  OakStGau>-OakSt_Gau.
2.  It looks like PorSt is a second PorAve (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4117797,-88.8400402,3a,75y,66.2h,86.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK-xKkOTjirNKXPp0BLfZOg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)...   I recommend going with Front Beach Dr (FroBeaDr).
3.  JerStPeHwy should be shortened (if not signed as MS 619).
US 98:  MS184>-MS184_E (I think)
US 425: US61_S>-US61 or US61/84.
MS 24/MS 33:  Consider replacing the shaping point south of MS33_N/MS24_E with a visible point.
MS 33:  OldHwy33>-OldMS33.
MS 42:  RocNewHebRd should be shortened.
Natchez Trace Pkwy:  https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=4867.msg27245#msg27245  (graph connection done 6/6/2022, label revisions not done)
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on April 03, 2022, 03:56:46 am
Note from the field:

MS 895 is now minimally signed on both ends. MDOT added a single MS 895 shield above the weight limit on each end (US 11/80 and Lauderdale Toomsuba Rd). I have photos that are too big to attach if needed.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: dave1693 on May 05, 2022, 12:11:20 am
I found an oops in the list for MS26...

I-55 -> I-59

(MS 26 does not come anywhere near I-55.)
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on May 17, 2022, 01:36:00 pm
Update from the field. I drove MS 370 (main section) west from US 45 to double check field signage versus street view images. MS 370 ends at CR 171. Signage on CR 170, which is definitely county maintained, only says "To MS 370" between MS 370 and MS 9.

At MS 9, MS 370 is affirmatively signed (East and West, not To) alongside MS 9 from MS 9 & 370 north to MS 30. On MS 30, signage at MS 9 only says To MS 370. There is no signage for MS 370 heading west to the next MS 370 segment that heads north from MS 30.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on May 30, 2022, 09:02:29 am
Update from the field: MS 729 finally has a sign.

I spotted this new sign on the I-55 NB ramp to MS 7. I had to get the zoomed photo from the interstate shoulder.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on May 30, 2022, 10:04:27 am
Well, this was unexpected. I found a second MS 812 off MS9W in Paris. It starts at the intersection of MS 9W and 315 and heads east for just over one block.

By statute, MS 812 is in Ruleville over in the Delta
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on May 30, 2022, 07:52:32 pm
3.  JerStPeHwy should be shortened (if not signed as MS 619).

Last October, I didn't see any 619 shields on the entire route. (Same for 617 and 618, but I could have missed one.)

Nearby, 609, 611, 612, 613, and 614 were fully signed.

Well, this was unexpected. I found a second MS 812 off MS9W in Paris.

That's weird, the little stub appears to be unlabeled on the Mississippi maps.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on July 10, 2022, 02:02:23 am
I checked out the Ingalls pair of routes last month. Neither have route numbers posted. MS 618 in Moss Point is apparently unsigned. I couldn't tell if it is even MDOT maintained

MS 609 and 611 are significant urban and freight routes that have always been signed. MS 613 is the old routing of MS 63 from Lucedale to Moss Point. MS 614 is a typical rural secondary route.

On a related note, I finally reclinched MS 63 & 611 that were moved over a bit as part of the US 90 interchange construction.

3.  JerStPeHwy should be shortened (if not signed as MS 619).

Last October, I didn't see any 619 shields on the entire route. (Same for 617 and 618, but I could have missed one.)

Nearby, 609, 611, 612, 613, and 614 were fully signed.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on November 12, 2022, 12:01:15 pm
After a drive home yesterday from New Orleans...

MS 29 will need a point for MS 588.
Signage in field shows a 29/588 overlap at I-59's northbound exit, but MDOT log is mum the on exact point. 588 is signed, for future reference.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52497514067_5850336e75_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nZ2tWT)

US 49 has two points for MS 13; the southern point is labeled MS13Wig but the northern one is marked "MS13". Those waypoints are labelled as US49_S and US49_N in the MS13 file.

MS 533 is well-signed.

MS 786 is signed from US 45 and had a reassurance shield.

MS 883 in Newton is signed from US 80 and has one reassurance shield.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52498280674_6792897fdd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nZ6pQf)

MS 881 in Newton is not signed, though it did have "End State Maintenance" markers about where where I'd expected them.

MS 885 in Philadelphia is not signed (though labelled in Google Maps). Since it is a link between two other state-maintained sections of roadway, I did not see nor expect any additional markers to be posted.

A good majority of my drive was on MS 15. It could use some passing lanes, but most traffic kept up to 55-60mph, including the trucks. But that kept the fuel economy a little higher but overall, was pretty relaxing.

US 45 south of Hattiesburg was under some construction to put in some median concrete slabs for turning lanes, and what appeared to be drainage work.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on November 14, 2022, 05:14:50 am
. US 45 south of Hattiesburg was under some construction to put in some median concrete slabs for turning lanes, and what appeared to be drainage work.

MDOT has been slowly but surely modernizing US 49 south of Hattiesburg. They've replaced a number of 1940s bridges and have been working on safety upgrades including cutting down sharp hills where possible on the older SB lanes, removing some median crossings, converting some to left turns only, and doing some shoulder and back slope safety improvements. It's similar to work done in Simpson County a few years ago.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on November 18, 2022, 06:43:56 pm
Took some time today to go over and address most of the comments made since December.  Have added the handful of "hidden" routes where signage was confirmed by commenters.  I'll address specific comments below, but I'm going to mention that I'm leaving most of the US 61 shaping points mentioned by Markkos as-is because either those areas are extremely remote and it doesn't make sense to add visible points, or in one case replacing one with a visible point required adding another shaping point downstream.


US 49: 
2.  A graph connection is missing with US 98.

Looks fine to me.

Quote
US 90:
3.  JerStPeHwy should be shortened (if not signed as MS 619).

As noted upthread, it is not signed.  And it stands for Jerry St. Pe, so I'm leaving it as-is.

Quote
MS 33:  OldHwy33>-OldMS33.

The official street name for this is Old Highway 33.  Hence the label.  For the same reason, I labeled one of the US 61 visible points you suggested in the same fasion.

Quote
MS 42:  RocNewHebRd should be shortened.

Leaving it as-is.


Well, this was unexpected. I found a second MS 812 off MS9W in Paris. It starts at the intersection of MS 9W and 315 and heads east for just over one block.

By statute, MS 812 is in Ruleville over in the Delta

I'm inclined to not include this for two reasons:  the statute MS 812 being elsewhere as you mentioned, and the latest MDOT Lafayette County map makes zero indication of a state route segment existing east of 9W.


After a drive home yesterday from New Orleans...

MS 29 will need a point for MS 588.
Signage in field shows a 29/588 overlap at I-59's northbound exit, but MDOT log is mum the on exact point. 588 is signed, for future reference.

Unless signage at the 29/588 junction shows 588 continuing with 29, I'm not going to include that.  I've seen this elsewhere in Mississippi where they'll post it with directional banners instead of a proper "TO" banner.

I did include the 588 point on 29...dunno how I missed that before.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Markkos1992 on November 18, 2022, 10:39:29 pm
I guess Jim may have fixed the US 49/US 98 NMP over the summer.

Anyway,  the shortening labels (https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php#truncate) and OldMS33 (https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php#olddesignation) comments came directly from the manual.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: cockroachking on November 19, 2022, 04:35:15 pm
Some observations regarding usams:

MS315Wat (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=cockroachking&r=ms.ms315wat):
MS9 > MS9W

MS43 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=cockroachking&r=ms.ms043):
The main segment of MS43 ends at Winfry Rd (WinRd) approximately 1/4 mile west (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.2856853,-89.5406957,3a,50y,133.82h,76.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGQliE8nt6WfxvBTfkYC1vw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGQliE8nt6WfxvBTfkYC1vw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D73.71858%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) (or south, depending on how you look at it) of the current endpoint in the HB.

MS43Pic (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=cockroachking&r=ms.ms043pic):
BenSt > BeeSt (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.5590308,-89.7003094,3a,15.2y,298.63h,97.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxBJWBRuLPqF7V3K-8u5mSQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

MS43A:
This route has exactly one sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.6048565,-89.9982426,3a,15.1y,201.44h,85.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUfTTqajV6VnCFVTM-Ktm_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) near its northern terminus, but is not officially recognized by MSDOT (and locally maintained), which is most likely why it is not currently in the HB (as well as the fact that there is only the one sign, which is arguably not enough to make it worth for inclusion). It is signed on street blades as "HWY 43A." (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.5948118,-90.0017344,3a,15y,298.57h,93.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sx0h5lWFBH0jI04-1loz7Lw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) The waypoint for it on US84 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=cockroachking&r=ms.us084) is FroSt, which would indicate that it will not be added. However, the waypoint for it on MS43Arm (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?units=miles&u=cockroachking&r=ms.ms043arm) is MS43A, which would indicate the contrary.

If the decision is made to include MS43A, then:
US84:
FroSt > MS43A

If MS43A is to be excluded, however, then:
US84:
FroSt > Hwy43A

MS43Arm:
MS43A > Hwy43A
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on November 22, 2022, 06:02:21 am
It looks as if MS 819 is signed (https://goo.gl/maps/7vY8xghzFijwD2aK6).  h/t from jbnv's Flickr:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49190586246_6947e28d68_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hWNBvY)
Mississippi 819 (https://flic.kr/p/2hWNBvY) by Jay Bienvenu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/bienvenunet/), on Flickr
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on November 30, 2022, 08:54:10 pm
I took a few minutes and compiled from my travels over the last few years which hidden routes are signed. It may not be everything, but it's what I've seen. This should help with the signed hidden routes.

706 Sidon (both ends)
713 Robinsonville (Freeway signage at the I-69/MS 304 split at the north end, Begin State Maintenance at the south end). I-69 overlaps from the Tunica County line to MS 304.
722 Pope (signed on US 51; end state maintenance on west end)
725 Batesville (both ends)
726 Tutwiler (both ends)
727 Oakland (both ends)
729 Grenada (both sides... finally)
731 Kosciusko (south end barely at MS 19/35; north end is only end state maintenance sign at 4-way stop at Huntington St and Natchez St).
732 Charleston (signed at MS 35 end; end state maintenance sign only at railroad tracks on east end)
735 Kosciusko (all four ends of the two piece route)
741 S of Kosciusko (both ends. The north end is on Ridge Rd at the gas facility)
743 Greenwood (both ends barely)
744 Greenwood (I saw the west end signed only at the end of state maintenance.)
745 Kilmichael (both ends)
762 Ingomar (signed at MS 15; end state maintenance sign at other end)
763 Maben (both ends)
765 Cumberland (signed at MS 50; signed as To MS 50 on the Trace)
766 Saltillo (I saw the MS 145 end signed only)
772 Algoma (both ends)
782 Mantee (both ends)
784 Walthall (both ends)
786 Columbus AFB (signed at US 45)
788 Artesia (signed at US 45A; end state maintenance sign on other end)
789 Columbus (I only saw signs at US 45)
791 Columbus (signed at both ends). I drove it two weeks ago.
792 Crawford (both ends)

802 Alligator (both ends)
806 Isola (both ends)
814 Greenville (signed at US 82)
816 Inverness (both ends)
818 Cruger (signed at US 49E; haven't checked west end lately)
819 Hermanville (signed as noted upthread)
822 Vicksburg (west end at I-20 & Clay St unsigned. Signed at MS 27 and at the east end at the end of state maintenance at Bovina).
824 Anguilla (both ends)
826 Rolling Fork (both ends)
830 Bentonia (both ends) Partially overlaps MS 433 in town; but MS 830 is not nearly as well signed compared to MS 433.
835 Tchula (both ends)
836 Lexington (both ends)
850 Wesson (both ends)
854 Lizelia (both ends)
857 Canton Nissan area (both ends)
859 Canton Nissan area (both ends)
860 Canton Nissan area (both ends)
888 Morton (signed at MS 13; end state maintenance sign at park line)
895 Toomsuba (both ends)

902 Burns (both ends)
930 Natchez (both ends)
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on December 06, 2022, 04:47:02 pm
789 had signage at MS 791's south end, as of last year.

Good to see the Nissan-area signs are posted; I couldn't find any of them back in 2017-18.


Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on December 10, 2022, 07:59:30 pm
Took advantage of some low-hanging fruit and added the (signed) 6xx routes this evening.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on December 10, 2022, 08:23:42 pm
MS 895: The waypoint labeled NorDr needs to be changed to US11/80. NorDr (Northshore Dr) is the county's street name for MS 895.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: cockroachking on December 11, 2022, 01:49:33 am
MS607Nic:
I-10/11 > I-59/11
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: osu-lsu on December 11, 2022, 06:48:05 pm
Took advantage of some low-hanging fruit and added the (signed) 6xx routes this evening.

Any chance Mississippi state routes make it to preview stage by the last week of January?
I'm going to Memphis, for that last week, and hoping to start clinching routes in those Mississippi suburbs.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Jim on December 11, 2022, 07:08:01 pm
I also have a strong interest in helping in whatever way I can to get usams into preview by early January.  I'm going to be doing some more METAL project publicity early in 2023 and would like to be able to have the next set of graph archives with all U.S. state highway systems at least in preview status.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on December 13, 2022, 05:08:58 pm
Had today off and wound up using most of it to take a bite out of usams.  Building off of the research done earlier by mapmikey and rlee, plus taking advantage of more recent GMSV imagery which shows a few additional routes as signed, I have added all of the remaining MS 7xx-9xx routes that are signed, as well as some corrections mentioned in this thread over the past year.  I'll address a few specific comments below:

MS43A:
This route has exactly one sign near its northern terminus, but is not officially recognized by MSDOT (and locally maintained), which is most likely why it is not currently in the HB (as well as the fact that there is only the one sign, which is arguably not enough to make it worth for inclusion). It is signed on street blades as "HWY 43A." The waypoint for it on US84 is FroSt, which would indicate that it will not be added. However, the waypoint for it on MS43Arm is MS43A, which would indicate the contrary.

If the decision is made to include MS43A, then:
US84:
FroSt > MS43A

If MS43A is to be excluded, however, then:
US84:
FroSt > Hwy43A

MS43Arm:
MS43A > Hwy43A

I struggled with this one when I was developing the MS 43 list.  That 43A shield has existed in Silver Creek for decades (I recall it from when I was stationed in Mississippi 20+ years ago), but I have found zero evidence that it is a state route...not even a locally maintained state route.  This is why I excluded it.  I'll relabel the MS 43 point to Hwy43A, but I'm leaving the US 84 point as-is because the road is named Front Street in Silver Creek.


713 Robinsonville (Freeway signage at the I-69/MS 304 split at the north end, Begin State Maintenance at the south end). I-69 overlaps from the Tunica County line to MS 304.

So with this one, 713 officially exists from US 61 to the Tunica/Desoto County line where I-69 officially takes over (and has BEGIN/END I-69 signs).  I've opted to go with this length.

722 Pope (signed on US 51; end state maintenance on west end)

Where did you find the End State Maintenance sign?  GMSV does not show it.  And while imagery shows a very distinct pavement change at the rail crossing, MDOT data and maps indicate the west end is further west near Pecan Street.

MS 718 just to the north in Courtland appears to be a similar case.  Pavement suggests at the railroad while maps/data indicate further west.

Pending further info, I'm putting both at the railroad.

789 Columbus (I only saw signs at US 45)

GMSV shows signs where it makes the turn off of Artesia Rd, though the western end at MS 791 is unsigned.

806 Isola (both ends)

Are you sure on this one?  GMSV doesn't snow anything (including 2022 GMSV on the south end) and MDOT shows it as locally maintained.


Any chance Mississippi state routes make it to preview stage by the last week of January?
I'm going to Memphis, for that last week, and hoping to start clinching routes in those Mississippi suburbs.

With this evenings push, every signed route in northern Mississippi (basically the top 2 tiers of counties) has been added to TM.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: oscar on December 18, 2022, 11:23:57 pm
A few notes and requests, while cleaning up my rough draft usams list file entries, to plug into my main list file ahead of usams going into preview:

MS 39: Request point at Jac[kson]St in DeKalb. While that happens to be just north of the Kemper County courthouse, I turned west there to connect to unnumbered Old Jackson Rd., which I took to the next destination on my itinerary.

MS 63/57: Request point at Laf[ayette]Ave. in Leakesville. I turned back east near the county courthouse, not sure how far west of Lafayette Ave. The other point in Leakesville is on the west side of town. It would be nice to have a point on the east side of town too.

MS 145 (Tupelo) and US 45. at exit to Saltillo: US45Sal => US45_Sal in MS 145 file, and corresponding changes in US 45 file (MS145Sal => MS145_Sal, and several other MS145* points)? AIUI, points like MS145Sal indicate that the intersecting highway is a separate branch of MS145, while MS145_Sal would indicate just one of multiple intersections with MS145. See https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php#disambiguation

I also have seven draft entries for 4xx and 5xx routes, which are not yet in the HB. I'll wait for those before adding usams entries to my list file.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on December 19, 2022, 08:33:00 am
I always mix up Isola and Inverness in my head. The MS 8xx route in Inverness is signed, Isola is not.

MS 713 doesn't reach US 61. End State Maintenance is at the start of the median east of MS 3.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xhtEBgXxKgmbaD8S8

MS 722: I'm sure I saw a State Maintenace sign at the railroad in Pope. I drove the Pope Crowder Rd from MS 35 east to Pope this past year.

Had today off and wound up using most of it to take a bite out of usams.  Building off of the research done earlier by mapmikey and rlee, plus taking advantage of more recent GMSV imagery which shows a few additional routes as signed, I have added all of the remaining MS 7xx-9xx routes that are signed, as well as some corrections mentioned in this thread over the past year.  I'll address a few specific comments below:

MS43A:
This route has exactly one sign near its northern terminus, but is not officially recognized by MSDOT (and locally maintained), which is most likely why it is not currently in the HB (as well as the fact that there is only the one sign, which is arguably not enough to make it worth for inclusion). It is signed on street blades as "HWY 43A." The waypoint for it on US84 is FroSt, which would indicate that it will not be added. However, the waypoint for it on MS43Arm is MS43A, which would indicate the contrary.

If the decision is made to include MS43A, then:
US84:
FroSt > MS43A

If MS43A is to be excluded, however, then:
US84:
FroSt > Hwy43A

MS43Arm:
MS43A > Hwy43A

I struggled with this one when I was developing the MS 43 list.  That 43A shield has existed in Silver Creek for decades (I recall it from when I was stationed in Mississippi 20+ years ago), but I have found zero evidence that it is a state route...not even a locally maintained state route.  This is why I excluded it.  I'll relabel the MS 43 point to Hwy43A, but I'm leaving the US 84 point as-is because the road is named Front Street in Silver Creek.


713 Robinsonville (Freeway signage at the I-69/MS 304 split at the north end, Begin State Maintenance at the south end). I-69 overlaps from the Tunica County line to MS 304.

So with this one, 713 officially exists from US 61 to the Tunica/Desoto County line where I-69 officially takes over (and has BEGIN/END I-69 signs).  I've opted to go with this length.

722 Pope (signed on US 51; end state maintenance on west end)

Where did you find the End State Maintenance sign?  GMSV does not show it.  And while imagery shows a very distinct pavement change at the rail crossing, MDOT data and maps indicate the west end is further west near Pecan Street.

MS 718 just to the north in Courtland appears to be a similar case.  Pavement suggests at the railroad while maps/data indicate further west.

Pending further info, I'm putting both at the railroad.

789 Columbus (I only saw signs at US 45)

GMSV shows signs where it makes the turn off of Artesia Rd, though the western end at MS 791 is unsigned.

806 Isola (both ends)

Are you sure on this one?  GMSV doesn't snow anything (including 2022 GMSV on the south end) and MDOT shows it as locally maintained.


Any chance Mississippi state routes make it to preview stage by the last week of January?
I'm going to Memphis, for that last week, and hoping to start clinching routes in those Mississippi suburbs.

With this evenings push, every signed route in northern Mississippi (basically the top 2 tiers of counties) has been added to TM.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 19, 2022, 12:57:41 pm
So Froggie, are you aware of MS-304 Scenic Loop?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Highway_304#Scenic_route

https://goo.gl/maps/yTawyzhJkMRnwyAFA
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on December 21, 2022, 10:26:59 am
So Froggie, are you aware of MS-304 Scenic Loop?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Highway_304#Scenic_route

https://goo.gl/maps/yTawyzhJkMRnwyAFA

Scenic Route MS 304 is described by MDOT as:
"The public road beginning at I-55 adjacent to the City of Coldwater, Mississippi; along the Coldwater-Arkabutla Road; along a public road which crosses the Arkabutla Dam; along the north side of the Dam to the Community of Eudora and connecting with MS 304; along MS 304 through the City of Hernando to I-55." 

(I also still get a smile when I see one of my photos on Wikipedia.)
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on January 27, 2023, 08:10:42 pm
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6337


MS 713 doesn't reach US 61. End State Maintenance is at the start of the median east of MS 3.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xhtEBgXxKgmbaD8S8

It's locally maintained, but officially exists out to US 61.  Given its importance, I'm leaving it.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 28, 2023, 09:20:58 pm
One suggestion with MS304SceHer froggie:

US51_N -> US51

Only because it's not the end/beginning of a multiplex, and just a normal intersection with US-51.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: vespertine on January 29, 2023, 02:14:17 pm
One thing I noticed...the listing for MS740 doesn't include the stub that goes east to Shands Bottom Rd. Signage from the exit ramps on I-55 (https://goo.gl/maps/sLWmZcx81jo8ZDAAA), MS740 (https://goo.gl/maps/tK7iocQqy7TzMapg9) and on Shands Bottom Rd (https://goo.gl/maps/wJKUJwuWmoveoymg8) all indicate this as part of the route.

v.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on January 31, 2023, 07:16:45 pm
One thing I noticed...the listing for MS740 doesn't include the stub that goes east to Shands Bottom Rd. Signage from the exit ramps on I-55 (https://goo.gl/maps/sLWmZcx81jo8ZDAAA), MS740 (https://goo.gl/maps/tK7iocQqy7TzMapg9) and on Shands Bottom Rd (https://goo.gl/maps/wJKUJwuWmoveoymg8) all indicate this as part of the route.

v.

Looks like the MDOT mileage log concurs.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on February 03, 2023, 04:28:35 pm
Added the remainder of the MS 4xx routes today, as well as MS 741.  Extended MS 740 slightly to the east as noted in the thread, and tweaked the Scenic MS 304 waypoints as suggested by James.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 05, 2023, 12:41:45 am
and tweaked the Scenic MS 304 waypoints as suggested by James.

Should of also mentioned the ones on US-51 as well.  Just noticed this and would suggest the following changes on US-51's file too:

MS304Sce_S -> MS304Sce_N (if it isn't currently is use yet) (since this is where the route 'technically' goes north from US-51 from the multiplex)
MS306 -> MS306/304Sce (should mention both routes due to the 304Sce multiplex)
MS304Sce_N -> MS304Sce (since it's not the end/beginning of a multiplex, and just a normal intersection with MS-304Sce)
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on February 11, 2023, 11:15:12 am
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6393

Pleased to report that I have added the remaining Mississippi state routes.  Unless I'm missing some process, usams should be able to be moved to preview now.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: osu-lsu on February 11, 2023, 12:04:30 pm
YEAH!!!! ;D
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: michih on February 11, 2023, 12:28:20 pm
Unless I'm missing some process, usams should be able to be moved to preview now.

No, go for it!

https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/sysnew.php#preview
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: oscar on February 11, 2023, 12:57:20 pm
^^^ Thanks. I've just added all my usams routes to my list file. I threw them into a pending pull request with assorted other updates, mainly from this week's trip to North Carolina.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Jim on February 11, 2023, 10:17:12 pm
The first site update with usams in preview is now live on the main site.  Thanks @froggie for all the work on this.

I'll give it a few days for any quick fixes to be noted, then create the first METAL graph archive set where I can claim state highway sets are included for all 50 states.

I don't have a whole lot of travels in MS off the Interstates and US highways, but the few state routes I have traveled inch me a little closer to the elusive 100,000 mile active+preview club.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: michih on February 12, 2023, 01:33:55 am
Thanks @froggie. The promotion to preview brings up the question: Anyone volunteer for peer-reviewing?

usams Mississippi State Highways reviewer: t.b.d.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on February 12, 2023, 05:54:06 am
I'll give it a few days for any quick fixes to be noted, then create the first METAL graph archive set where I can claim state highway sets are included for all 50 states.

Let me forewarn you that there are at least a few routes (one section of MS 570, for example) that are orphans and are not connected to the rest of the network.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Jim on February 12, 2023, 08:01:03 am
I'll give it a few days for any quick fixes to be noted, then create the first METAL graph archive set where I can claim state highway sets are included for all 50 states.

Let me forewarn you that there are at least a few routes (one section of MS 570, for example) that are orphans and are not connected to the rest of the network.

Thanks for the warning, but I'll consider that more pedagogically interesting than problematic.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: osu-lsu on February 12, 2023, 10:47:31 am
Thanks @froggie. The promotion to preview brings up the question: Anyone volunteer for peer-reviewing?

usams Mississippi State Highways reviewer: t.b.d.

I nominate Markkos
(mapcat will thank me later)
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: mapcat on February 12, 2023, 11:39:41 am
@osu-lsu: I would support Markkos if he wants the job, but in case you missed it, rlee has traveled 75% of the state's highways and has contributed greatly to this thread, even getting a peer-review started. So I nominate rlee.

I've got some point requests:

MS 7 at CR436 where it crosses MS 7 just north of Coffeeville (or just move the existing CR436 point to this intersection instead)
MS 370 (Ashland) at Court St in Ashland
MS 468 where it joins/leaves S College St

Also, both MS 53 and MS 589 incorrectly name the point for I-59 "I-55".
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Markkos1992 on February 12, 2023, 11:40:29 am
Thanks @froggie. The promotion to preview brings up the question: Anyone volunteer for peer-reviewing?

usams Mississippi State Highways reviewer: t.b.d.

I nominate Markkos
(mapcat will thank me later)

 ;D    (Well I guess mapcat will thank you after the Columbus Meet. Though my route plan is already complete for that.  I did not even look deeply at mapcat's recent huge Ohio update because I have been working on other things.)

I have my own long trip coming up to Florida at the beginning of March so I would prefer that someone else amongst the huge list of people that keep asking for this to be done ASAP to do it.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: yakra on February 12, 2023, 11:48:22 am
Quote
I did not even look deeply at mapcat's recent huge Ohio update
Just automated UnusedAltLabel removal, so no changes to routings or anything in the HB.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Markkos1992 on February 12, 2023, 12:01:41 pm
Quote
I did not even look deeply at mapcat's recent huge Ohio update
Just automated UnusedAltLabel removal, so no changes to routings or anything in the HB.

I was referring to the cleanup Part 1 before that one.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: mapcat on February 12, 2023, 12:36:04 pm
I did not even look deeply at mapcat's recent huge Ohio update

Thanks for not looking at it! ;)

Seriously, if you can't ignore it, please hold off on telling me what's not to your liking since I work better when not distracted.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Markkos1992 on February 12, 2023, 12:45:16 pm
I did not even look deeply at mapcat's recent huge Ohio update

Thanks for not looking at it! ;)

Seriously, if you can't ignore it, please hold off on telling me what's not to your liking since I work better when not distracted.

I looked at it to clarify some of the major things (especially what affected my list file and a couple other major things), but not looking much at the minor shaping point stuff.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on February 12, 2023, 06:57:22 pm
@osu-lsu: I would support Markkos if he wants the job, but in case you missed it, rlee has traveled 75% of the state's highways and has contributed greatly to this thread, even getting a peer-review started. So I nominate rlee.

I've got some point requests:

MS 7 at CR436 where it crosses MS 7 just north of Coffeeville (or just move the existing CR436 point to this intersection instead)
MS 370 (Ashland) at Court St in Ashland
MS 468 where it joins/leaves S College St

Also, both MS 53 and MS 589 incorrectly name the point for I-59 "I-55".

And just like that, I have my first requests...

Opted to move the previously existing CR436 point on MS 7.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6405
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: mapcat on February 12, 2023, 10:07:17 pm
And just like that, I have my first requests...

Opted to move the previously existing CR436 point on MS 7.

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6405 (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6405)

Your customer service is outstanding.★★★★★
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on February 13, 2023, 12:39:43 pm
I'm pleased to see MS go to preview. I still need to clean up my 4xx, 5xx, and 6xx highways on my list file plus correct errors.

Coming home from WV, I clinched MS 313, 704, and 310. MS 313 and 704 are good as is. MS 310 has a gap in MDOT maintenance from FreRd (Fredonia Rd) to the Pan/Laf county line. Panola County maintains it in between. Route may need to be split like MS 404.

MS 32 Scenic has been added to the main signage on I-55 SB at the Enid exit. The route will need to be added similar to Scenic 304 and 315.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on February 14, 2023, 02:47:54 am
A couple of quick catches from checking my .list file:

MS2: CR560 --> CR561 (blue county sign on streetview says CR 561)

MS 15DIb: xI-10/110 --> I-10/110

MS315SceSar: Extend south along MS 35 to I-55(246) and west along regular MS 315 to I-55(252)

Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Duke87 on February 14, 2023, 10:58:18 pm
MS198Luc:
MS63 -> MS26
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: osu-lsu on February 15, 2023, 11:39:19 am
And may I make a point request for MS 50? Add a point at Eshman Ave, on the far eastside of West Point, please.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: kjslaughter on February 15, 2023, 03:30:36 pm
Just want to say thanks to all of you for work to add Mississippi!
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: yakra on February 15, 2023, 07:20:41 pm
Big thanks most of all to froggie!
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: cockroachking on February 15, 2023, 11:10:52 pm
Sometime between June 2018 and September 2022, the intersection between MS7 and MS9W was realigned and reconstructed as a roundabout (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2616197,-89.5223397,3a,48.9y,358.23h,86.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1snOEveqJLN21_MStbvU4WFA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1). The current intersection point in the HB needs to be moved to the new roundabout, which appears to be shown in the correct location on OSM.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on February 16, 2023, 04:13:45 pm
MS 514: MS514 --> MS513
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: cockroachking on February 16, 2023, 10:24:32 pm
MS818 is currently in the HB as running from its proper western terminus to the EgyRd point on US49E via a road that does not exist. This eastern terminus is 1 point too far north on US49E, since the proper terminus is at the current MS818 point on US49E.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on February 18, 2023, 05:29:00 pm
MS 310 has a gap in MDOT maintenance from FreRd (Fredonia Rd) to the Pan/Laf county line. Panola County maintains it in between. Route may need to be split like MS 404.

There's a difference between 310 and 404.  310 is still considered a state route in between, albeit county-maintained.  404 has an actual gap in the route.  That said, I'll split the route into two.

Quote
MS 32 Scenic has been added to the main signage on I-55 SB at the Enid exit. The route will need to be added similar to Scenic 304 and 315.

GMSV appears to have some signs along MS 32 and US 51 as well.  Has been added, but I want to note that it ends at I-55 at the Enid exit...per both state statute and MDOT it does *NOT* continue to US 51 there.

MS2: CR560 --> CR561 (blue county sign on streetview says CR 561)

Says 560 to me (https://goo.gl/maps/PvnNjcCnLtTmAyTc8)...

All other changes/requests since my last posts made:

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/6429
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: yakra on February 18, 2023, 08:29:50 pm
If it's still a state route, shouldn't it be included, regardless of maintenance?
Like in Maine, the E-W leg of ME11ACha and all of ME203 are townway, but numbered routes.
How's this usually handled in MS?
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on February 18, 2023, 10:02:05 pm
^ For the most part, the non-state-maintained route sections (and even a handful of the state-maintained 3-digit routes) in Mississippi are unsigned.  So in these cases I just follow the usual "no signage = no inclusion" rule.  I've made exceptions for small segments that fill a gap between two state-maintained segments, or in the case of MS 713, a major corridor.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on March 23, 2023, 10:49:06 pm
MS32SceEni: The segment from MS32 to MS724 does not register as concurrent with US 51.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on April 11, 2023, 11:51:46 am
MS 76 (Corridor V) is apparently open to MS 25, based on some reports.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: osu-lsu on April 12, 2023, 11:02:03 am
https://mdot.ms.gov/portal/news_release_view/1412?fbclid=IwAR016pTQwpykSiFPQWrbp4Y1v_Qet_0HBqFsu0G2Fk4X9OhmzY-_0i59Hp0
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on April 29, 2023, 10:37:40 pm
I made the trip up to Red Bay AL and can confirm that MS 76 is fully open. MDOT added "To MS 76" signage at I-22 Exit 108 (MS 25 N) and along MS 25 from I-22 to MS 76. The intersection of MS 25 and 76 has been realigned so that the 4 lane Corridor V is the through route. MS 25 now turns off of the 4 lane to continue northward.

I also completed MS 366 & 760. MS 760 has a new sign on the MS 25 end. The east end at MS 366 is still signed as just MS 366.

MS 76 (Corridor V) is apparently open to MS 25, based on some reports.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on June 23, 2023, 08:57:49 pm
MS 529's north end doesn't quite make it to MS 28. The north end needs to be moved to Forrest Holyfield Rd south of MS 28. There is no signage or even "To MS 529" signage at MS 28. The road is only signed as Forrest Holyfield Rd.


The south end of MS 529 at US 84 is fully signed.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on October 13, 2023, 05:24:09 pm
MS469: The point labeled MS469 needs to be changed to MS468.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: formulanone on January 14, 2024, 11:45:02 am
I was poking around GSV on MS 486 and MS 491 east of Philadelphia, and found some "To" banners. They are near and along the intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6850247,-88.9413608,3a,75y,53.98h,95.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sospKQXg_aThdTwJRcj4ikA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DospKQXg_aThdTwJRcj4ikA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D173.38857%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) where 486 becomes 491 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6850107,-88.9423434,3a,75y,313.48h,91.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTN3F3mn5gOMgxFUxx5hEoQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) and vice-versa. GSV appears to be a recent update from 2023. 486 is posted in GSV from south of MS 16 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7699893,-89.0956484,3a,75y,117.18h,86.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0LOg6TrbEFghSwqtCegH7w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) but I can't find the little tag where State Maintenance ends.

Probably just going to have to field-check it one day.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: rlee on January 24, 2024, 12:12:12 am
The official transition from MS 486 to MS 491 is at the intersection with CR 733. There would be no end state maintenance sign since the through road simply changes numbers. The county route connecting both parts of MS 491 is CR 729, but it intersects CR 729 south of the MS 486/MS 491/CR 733 intersection after taking the "scenic" route almost into Kemper County to get there. The direct route would be to sign CR 733 as "To 491". But based on the condition of the road, it likely can't handle routine truck loads. The result is a number of "To" signs on both MDOT's MS 486 and 491 and Neshoba's CR 729 to avoid confusion and keep trucks off of CR 733.

I was poking around GSV on MS 486 and MS 491 east of Philadelphia, and found some "To" banners. They are near and along the intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6850247,-88.9413608,3a,75y,53.98h,95.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sospKQXg_aThdTwJRcj4ikA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DospKQXg_aThdTwJRcj4ikA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D173.38857%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) where 486 becomes 491 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6850107,-88.9423434,3a,75y,313.48h,91.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTN3F3mn5gOMgxFUxx5hEoQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) and vice-versa. GSV appears to be a recent update from 2023. 486 is posted in GSV from south of MS 16 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7699893,-89.0956484,3a,75y,117.18h,86.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0LOg6TrbEFghSwqtCegH7w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) but I can't find the little tag where State Maintenance ends.

Probably just going to have to field-check it one day.
Title: MS: MS76
Post by: osu-lsu on February 21, 2024, 11:05:15 pm
MS 76 has been completed west to MS 25. I thought this was old news, but I drove it this afternoon.
Froggie, or someone else, needs to extend the coverage/line west from MS 23 to MS 25.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Markkos1992 on February 22, 2024, 05:48:54 am
Yeah, looking upthread here the MS 76 extension is old news that in theory should have been done already.

Froggie should just be happy that my bailing on New Orleans means that I will not be finding tons of minor point revisions.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: froggie on February 23, 2024, 11:18:23 am
It's on the to-do list.  A lot on the plate.
Title: Re: usams: Mississippi State Highways
Post by: Markkos1992 on March 14, 2024, 09:22:51 am
US 98:  ElkLakRd>-ElksLakeRd