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Updates to Highway Data / Re: ON: TCH/11/17 west of Nipigon
« Last post by oscar on September 27, 2022, 12:14:26 am »
And per StreetView, this has been realigned since 2018! (April '18 on new WB lanes; October '18 new EB lanes open - both @ SH-628)

Say goodbye to your TCH clinch in that area again Oscar. LOL!

I drove between Nipigon and Thunder Bay last year, so I think I'm good there (and elsewhere in Ontario, after this year's visit). Though I lost my TCH clinch in Quebec's A-85 corridor starting in December 2021, and wasn't planning on going back until A-85 is completed. The TCH is all a game of whack-a-mole, anyway.

Updates to Highway Data / Re: ON: TCH/11/17 west of Nipigon
« Last post by rickmastfan67 on September 26, 2022, 10:07:45 pm »
Thanks for the heads up. Would have probably spotted this once I got to SH-628 in the Secondary Highways system, but good to know ahead of time.  Will deal with this soon.

Probably only mark the section around SH-628 as newsworthy, as south of that intersection, the realignment is only a few few to the new lanes.

And per StreetView, this has been realigned since 2018! (April '18 on new WB lanes; October '18 new EB lanes open - both @ SH-628)

Say goodbye to your TCH clinch in that area again Oscar. LOL!
Updates to Highway Data / Re: OK: signage finally removed for 3 or 4 US business routes
« Last post by mapcat on September 26, 2022, 06:37:03 pm »

The only change would be US69BusDur_S -> 9thAve
OSM shows construction thru this interchange, southward past Calera. Was this still in progress? Completed? Did you notice if there were exit numbers posted at 9th Ave? Or even at MainSt in Calera?

The construction was very much still in progress last month. I did not notice any exit numbers (wasn't looking) but all signage was of the temporary variety since no traffic was using the proper lanes at the time.

Business 271 was signed as 271, with Bypass 271 concurrent with 70, but this was inconsistent.
Weird -- both were eliminated with AASHTO in Fall 2019. And yet only signage for 70 is gone? Bugger.
Since US271BusHug (it is officially a business route) is theoretically slated to be removed, I'll go no-build here (other than US70Bus_E -> EJacSt), wait to see what shakes out, if it's removed, and chalk it up to lousy Oklahoma signage.

Signage was inconsistent. As I recall, there wasn't much 271 signage through town, but it wasn't gone. Some may have been Business 271, but I remember seeing some bannerless 271 signs away from the bypass. Most signage on/to the bypass had Bypass banners.
Updates to Highway Data / WI: US 2 slight reroute in Superior
« Last post by mapcat on September 26, 2022, 03:11:06 pm »
A roundabout built at the Belknap Street/Garfield Ave intersection resulted in a slight shift of the BelSt_W point to the northeast.
Updates to Highway Data / ON: TCH/11/17 west of Nipigon
« Last post by mapcat on September 26, 2022, 03:08:14 pm »
OSM shows that the route has been twinned and realigned in the vicinity of SH 628, which I confirmed in the field yesterday. There's also some twinning going on west of there, close to Dorion and Ouimet, but it appears that they're just building the new eastbound lanes next to the current roadway. It was dark, so I couldn't tell if the carriageway I was traveling in had been rerouted. The pavement was new.
Heh, so CA 79 in San Jacinto has the same thing going on as CA 1 in Oxnard. Old route has been relinquished, new route has not yet been accepted into the state system. Neither is signed. Route functionally has a gap in existence with no determinate alignment through the city.

If you slice CA 79 I think you have to slice CA 1 too for consistency...
Updates to Highway Data / CA: CA79 route split, CA 107 and CA 238 (Fremont) truncations
« Last post by oscar on September 25, 2022, 10:22:48 pm »
This package of updates reflects three relinquishments of route segments to local control. Corresponding pull requests:

CA 79, between I-8 south of Julian and I-10 in Beaumont, would be split in San Jacinto. The relinquished segment there is supposed to have continuation signage, to help travelers get through the city between the unrelinquished segments north and south of the city. But the signage is weak, just one inconspicuous sign for southbound travelers and a pair for northbound travelers. Those guide travelers through one turn CA 79 originally followed through the city. But there is no signage for two other turns within the city. I got lost when I tried to follow the original route several years ago. One other user had a similar, more recent such experience. If the route had gone straight through the city, I would overlook the weak continuation signage (state law's continuation signage requirements for relinquished route segments are often ignored), but not for the San Jacinto situation.

The southern Julian CA 79 segment would end at Menlo Ave. south of downtown San Jacinto, which the southern San Jacinto city limit. The southern end of the northern Beaumont segment would be at an unsigned point on the Ramona Expressway, which used to be the northwestern San Jacinto city limit (the limit has since moved, but the relinquishment was not expanded accordingly).

There are plans for a future reroute of CA 79 west of San Jacinto, which would reconnect the two CA 79 segments.

BTW, the non-freeway parts of CA 79 within Temecula were also transferred to city maintenance. The segments northeast and southeast of I-15 within city limits have no turns and are easy to follow without continuation signage, and the implied concurrence with I-15 has signage in both directions pointing you to the rest of CA 79. So I don't think a Temecula split is needed.

The north end of CA 238's southern Fremont segment would be truncated about 1.5 miles. CA 238 used to be a continuous route within Hayward's city limits, north to the freeway stub south of the I-238/I-580 junction. When the state legislature authorized relinquishment of all non-freeway state highways within Hayward, it imposed a lax continuation signage requirement (only signs pointing to the rest of the state highway system, not the rest of the route). That was ignored, too. When I drove through Hayward on CA 92, CA 185, and CA 238, I found no route signage to navigate through the maze in downtown Hayward, seeming like Hayward was a big hole in the state highway system. That led me to spilt CA 238, as well as truncate CA 92 and CA 185, while usaca was still in preview. CA 160 in Sacramento was split for similar reasons.

When I did that, state maintenance of CA 238 ended at Industrial Parkway. Since then, Caltrans' online mapping (the Postmile Query Tool) showed a new end of state maintenance. at Hayward's southern city limits.

The north end of CA 107 would be truncated by less than a mile. This is another relinquishment, to the city of Lawndale. The legislature didn't impose any continuation signage requirement, and I didn't see any such signage, though CA 107 is signed from I-405 where the route used to end. The new north end of the route is at Redondo Beach Blvd., which is Lawndale's southern city limit.

The legislature has also authorized relinquishment of the part of CA 107, as well as CA 1, within the city of Torrance. That city indicated interest taking its parts of both routes off Caltrans' hands. However, that hasn't happened yet.
Other Discussion / Re: New Travels and Stats Discussion
« Last post by 7/8 on September 25, 2022, 09:50:36 pm »
Canada wins on food, the USA on root beer

Huh, I find the root beer at Canadian A&W amazing (much better in store than the store-bought cans). I'll have to try it in the US at some point!

Here's my catalogue of new trips this year.

March: I took a trip to Vancouver and Whistler and got a bit more mileage on BC 99 (though the bulk of that drive I already did in 2021).

Summer: I took three trips to Montreal. Despite driving with other people on all three trips, I managed to get some clinching detours in (though a few drives were the boring direct 401...).
- Did a short detour down the 1000 Island Parkway, then up ON 137 back on to the 401. Also took a quick detour down ON 16 to the St. Lawrence and back on the 401, and similarly, clinched ON 49 and U-turned to the 401.
- From Cornwall, ON: ON 138 clinch, The 417 east, ON 34 clinch, QC 344, A-50 east, QC 148 southeast, QC A-640 to A-15. That trip got me two new QC counties (Argenteuil and Deux-Montagnes).
- From Kaladar, ON: ON north (with a stop at Bon Echo), ON 132 clinch, ON 60 east, ON 17 east, ON 417 clinch, A-40 to A-30.
- I wanted to get a ON 33 clinch and ON 62 south of Belleville, but I couldn't convince my brothers on that one. Hopefully next year. :)
I also got various mileage in Quebec including QC 328 and 338 at the ON border to avoid an accident, new mileage on A-40, A-440, A-15, QC 117, QC 132 and clinches of A-930, A-520, and QC 136Mon.

One day, I had to drive to Niagara Region (ON), so I took the long way via Fort Erie to get a clinch of the central and east portions of ON 3.

Edit: Also one day, from my parents trailer in Mt. Forest, I detoured to Kincardine via ON 9 for the clinch and to see the sunset on Lake Huron.

Fall: I took a trip with my brother down to Lexington, KY for a concert. On the way down, we did the mostly direct route, though got a clinch of the EC Row in Windsor, ON, some new mileage on M-39, I-75 in Cincinnati and I-75 south of the I-71 split (with three new KY counties), and some US routes in Lexington. On the way up, we detoured from Dayton to Findlay for five new OH counties by going OH 4 (with a stop at the US Air Force Museum), US 68 north to Bellefontaine (with a short detour of OH 540 and US 33 for high point Campbell Hill), and then US 68 north again to Findlay. We also took the Ohio Turnpike between I-75 and I-280 to get to my hotel, but more importantly to try my EZ Pass, which I haven't used once in my three years of owning it (thanks Covid! :pan:). The next day, we clinched M-85 into Detroit, and got mileage on M-1, M-3, and M-5 in downtown on foot. We also clinched the western portion of ON 3 and ON 77 with a trip to Point Pelee (the southernmost mainland point of Canada). All in all, a very successful route clinch and county collecting trip considering I wasn't alone!

Lastly, this weekend, I got ON 62 from Belleville to its north terminus, a clinch of ON 127, and new mileage on ON 28 (from Bancroft to ON 118). I've now surpassed 70% mileage of Ontario, and I'm exactly 15.00% behind Oscar (I'd need a trip or two to Northern Ontario to surpass him :D). Also, this year I've now completed both canonf Ontario Provincial Freeways and cannf Canada Select Named Freeways (within Ontario).
Other Discussion / Re: New Travels and Stats Discussion
« Last post by Markkos1992 on September 25, 2022, 07:07:45 pm »
I did a little bit of northern MD clinching before yesterday's South Central PA Meet.

Clinched: MD 550, Park Central Rd, MD 26, MD 144, MD 125

No new mileage was gained on any other routes.  I also finished the clinch of US 40 TRUCK (Baltimore, MD).
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