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Title: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on May 01, 2020, 02:59:02 am
System is ready for peer-review (920mi): http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=chegts
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: si404 on June 27, 2020, 06:25:01 am
GTSKus
 - H4_E -> H4? H2/H4
 - add visible point in Weggis (Seestrasse?)

GTSZer - fine

GTSZur
 - BecGerFry -> GerBecFry - order of route means the ferry is Ger->Bec
 - 36(A2) is off (also A4, E35, E41)
 - 36(A2) -> A2/A4?
 - A4(40) could perhaps move
 - ChsStr -> ChaStr (also H8, and there's no s in the first bit, so if it's to disambiguate, then Chb or something)
 - add GSJs between ChsStr and H388
 - A3 is off
 - H15 -> H15_Rap
 - BergStr_W -> H716? There's a couple more like this - I presume H7xx are lower class than unsigned H2xx and H3xx whose numbers are used.
 - DufSt is slightly off
 - 66(A1) is slightly off (also A1, A4, A53 - now A15, E41, E60). In fact, the Autobahn in general could probably do with a look at and recentre. I'll ignore further such points being off
 - add point for Raststatte Kemptthal?
 - A1/A4 -> 70(A1) or A1_E as A4 is concurrent with route both sides of junction
 - H15_E -> H15_KleS
 - H15_N -> H15_KleN
 - SudUmf is off
 - MarStr is off
 - PostStr is off
 - PostStr -> PostStr_W
 - H4/H15 is off (also H13 and H14)
 - H15/H322.1 -> H13/H322
 - H352/H15 -> H13/H352
 - H15/H451 -> H13/H451
 - H7/H443 -> H7/H446
 - H443/H463 -> H446/H463
 - H448/H16 -> H16/H448?

LIE GTS - fine
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on June 27, 2020, 02:25:30 pm
BecGerFry -> GerBecFry - order of route means the ferry is Ger->Bec

There is no rule. I use the

I'm with Duke87:

For routes ending at a ferry terminal, use the names of the ferry's endpoints, near side first and far side second, followed by "Fry".


- BergStr_W -> H716? There's a couple more like this - I presume H7xx are lower class than unsigned H2xx and H3xx whose numbers are used.

I don't remember but you could be right. I think that 700s were not indicated on OSM when I drafted the route. Leave as-is since it's unsigned in any case.


- H352/H15 -> H13/H352
- H448/H16 -> H16/H448?

I've changed both but am not sure... I thought we call them according to the route order. When GTS is concurrent to H352 and continues on H13, it's called H352/H13. Or do we go with ascending order?

The rule has no preference: https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php#bothroutes
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If the highway jumps from one numbered multiplex to another, the most useful waypoint label would include both routes without any suffixes.
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2020, 05:48:46 am
General route things:

There's a short gap in central Luzern between (Main) and (Küssnacht) segments - why aren't these merged into a continuous route?

There's spurs: Saint-George to Geneve, Neuchâtel-Basel and Bellinzona-Chiasso that aren't included here, unlike the one towards Zermatt.
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2020, 06:29:35 am
GTS (Main)
 - H3 -> H3/H27 as changing concurrent route
 - H3/H417 -> H3_N as not a junction between GTS and H417 which is concurrent either side
 - Alv slightly off
 - Alv -> VeiaPri?
 - Tsc is off highway and at the wrong junction
 - replace shaping point east of A13 with point at Schynstrasse
 - A13 is off
 - A13 -> A13(22)
 - H417/H13 -> H13/H417 for consistency?
 - is A13(23) an actual junction?
 - replace hidden point with visible point in Andeer
 - 28(A13) is off - the A13 needs a tidy (I'll ignore further off points)
 - route needs to be concurrent with H13 between 31(A13) and A13(32)
 - shape H13 and A13 around exit 32 so that their lines don't cross
 - ToA13(38) is off
 - add point for road linking to A13(39) - also H13
 - Vit -> ViaSanCar
 - H13/H2 -> H2/H13 for consistency?
 - H2/H13 -> A13/H2 for consistency?
 - A13/A2 -> A2/A13 for consistency?
 - H408/H2 -> H2/H408 for consistency?
 - H561/H2 -> H2/H561_N (and H2/H561 -> H2/H561 for consistency?
 - A9_VisE is off (give the A9 a polish - there's a couple more)
 - GTSZer -> H212? GTSZur calls this point H9, not GTS. Also E62 and H9.
 - RouSio -> RouSion
 - H9/H21 -> H9/H21_Mar or _S to disambiguate from concurrency switch at Bex
 - make visible hidden point at Pont sur le Rhone
 - H146/H21 -> H21/H146 for consistency?
 - H9_Bex -> H9/H21 or H9/H21_Bex (concurrency switch)
 - H127 -> H147
 - H11_W -> H9/H11
 - H9_Vev -> H9/H140
 - add points between H140_N and H9_Lut (eg Route de la Corniche that would lead to H9 points either side of Cully)
 - H9_Pul -> H9/H138?
 - AveGenGui_W -> H138_W?
 - BreLau points off
 - H1_E -> H1/H138?
 - add point at Avenue Monod (links to A1 interchange, helps shape route)
 - H128/H124 -> H124/H128 for consistency?
 - H131 -> H131_S (as another junction with H131)
 - H130.1/H129 -> H129/H130.1 for consistency?
 - H130 -> H131_N
 - move H9_Val to between one-way pair?
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on June 28, 2020, 11:50:54 am
There's a short gap in central Luzern between (Main) and (Küssnacht) segments - why aren't these merged into a continuous route?

I really don't know why there is a gap. Since the system was renamed from eurtr to chegts, Github history is gone....... :(

The Küssnacht segments starts where my source (https://www.dreamango.com/de/tour/touristische-strassen/grand-tour-of-switzerland/18634381/#dm=1&dmdtab=oax-tab1) indicates the starting point of GTS. I guess that's why there are two segments and maybe the end of the main route got lost anyhow. Again, Github history lost.... :(

There's spurs: Saint-George to Geneve, Neuchâtel-Basel and Bellinzona-Chiasso that aren't included here, unlike the one towards Zermatt.

My source doesn't show them but the official site (https://www.myswitzerland.com/en-ch/experiences/experience-tour/grand-tour-of-switzerland/) indicates them. To be added... Including wild guess about the exact routes.... Damn tourist shit....
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on June 28, 2020, 11:51:38 am
In fact, the Autobahn in general could probably do with a look at and recentre.

Done.
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2020, 12:51:04 pm
GTS (Main) continued
 - H5/H151 -> H5_N or similar (H151 is concurrent both sides of point)
 - A5 -> A5(2) (and adjust autobahn to get points precise - also A8)
 - H151/H149 -> H149/H151 for consistency?
 - H149_W -> H149_N
 - add points to correspond with H10 points along parallel section
 - RueVieMou -> RueSaiEti (also H5)
 - H10/AutGalsIns is a yucky name: H10_E?
 - AutGalsIns/H153 -> H153_N
 - H182_W -> H182_N; H182_E -> H182_S
 - LauStr -> RueLau? even the German Style OSM has the French even as it ups the German
 - H182/H12 -> H12/H182 for consistency?
 - H180.1/H180 -> H180/H180.1 for consistency?
 - H180_N -> H180_S (as concurrency split)
 - H180_S -> H180_N (as concurrency split)
 - H191/H190 -> H190/H191 for consistency?
 - H190/H11 -> H11/H190 for consistency?
 - JaunPass -> H219
 - H6_S -> H6_W as concurrency split
 - A8(24) -> H221.4_S (also H6 and H11 as H221.4)
 - H221_IntE -> H221_Int
 - replace hidden point in Interlaken with visible one (at Beatenbergstrasse?)
 - H221_IntW -> H221_E as concurrency split
 - H221.4 -> H221.4_N
 - replace visible point in Oberhofen with visible point. Gunten/Sigriswil is big enough to deserve a visible point, and probably Hilterfingen and Hunibach.
 - split H6_W into two as there's a concurrency there. Name as H6_N and H6_S
 - rename hidden point in Thun as MitStr_W as also leads to A6(16)
 - H6_N -> H6/H221.1
 - H221.1/H221 for consistency?
 - H231/H230 -> H231/H230 for consistency?
 - add point at Belpstrasse as leads to H221 GSJ and helps with clear shaping
 - H234.5/H23 -> H23/H234.5 for consistency?
 - H245_S -> H245_W; H245_N -> H245_E ?
 - H229.2/H23 -> H23/H229.2 for consistency?
 - H243/H10 -> H10/H243 for consistency?
 - H10/H2a -> H2a/H10 for consistency?
 - H362 is off (also H23)
 - H290/H26 -> H26/H290 for consistency?
 - make hidden point east of H26/H291 visible at SchStr (Seengen is definitely big enough for a point!)
 - H298/H26 -> H26/H298 for consistency?
 - H26/H2 -> H2/H26 for consistency?
 - H4_W -> H2a/H4

I did a lot of this earlier - stuff like autobahn point locations might have been addressed already.

There's a lot of these 'for consistency' label order changes - probably easier to change back those previously changed! I thought it was a rule (I definitely remember Tim imposing it on me)
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: si404 on June 28, 2020, 01:02:17 pm
To be added... Including wild guess about the exact routes.... Damn tourist shit....
There's GPS/KML data here (https://www.myswitzerland.com/en-gb/experiences/experience-tour/grand-tour-of-switzerland/facts-about-the-grand-tour-of-switzerland/map-navigation/) if needed.
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on June 28, 2020, 01:50:24 pm
- route needs to be concurrent with H13 between 31(A13) and A13(32)

Concurrent to A13


- GTSZer -> H212? GTSZur calls this point H9, not GTS. Also E62 and H9.

H9 and GTSZer are TM routes. H212 is not a TM route.



- H10/AutGalsIns is a yucky name: H10_E?
 - AutGalsIns/H153 -> H153_N

It's the name of the TM route. Leave as-is.


- LauStr -> RueLau? even the German Style OSM has the French even as it ups the German

Nope. Zoom in closer. It's Rue de Lusanne in Meyriez (FR) but Lusannestrasse in Maurten (DE) :)
btw: It think that German style OSM uses the very same data and just uses a different style.


- H6_S -> H6_W as concurrency split

There is already a H6_W


- H221_IntE -> H221_Int
- H221_IntW -> H221_E as concurrency split

Sorry, don't get it. I'd go with _IntE/_IntW or _W/_E but no mismatch


- make hidden point east of H26/H291 visible at SchStr

There is already Schrabachstrasse. ScuStr for school street is fine.


There's a lot of these 'for consistency' label order changes - probably easier to change back those previously changed! I thought it was a rule (I definitely remember Tim imposing it on me)

I had already changed them... chegts will will be this way.
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on June 28, 2020, 03:20:21 pm
To be added... Including wild guess about the exact routes.... Damn tourist shit....
There's GPS/KML data here (https://www.myswitzerland.com/en-gb/experiences/experience-tour/grand-tour-of-switzerland/facts-about-the-grand-tour-of-switzerland/map-navigation/) if needed.

The routes are called:

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- Core route
- Initial stretch Basel - Neuchâtel
- Initial stretch Geneva - Saint-George
- Initial stretch Chiasso - Bellinzona

Also called "Einstiegsetappe", "Route d’accès" or "Tappa introduttiva".

I had only drafted the core route. I'm not sure whether we should / must add the other branches but... Chiasso - Bellinzona is already drafted as "Lugano" segment and the remaining two routes will follow if there are no objections...
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on June 29, 2020, 04:09:27 pm
I've added the remaining "initial stretch" routes.
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: si404 on July 04, 2020, 01:55:27 pm
Lugano
 - H2/H13_N -> GTS? (it seems to be how you've done it elsewhere)
 - ViaGiuSep -> ViaGiuLep
 - A13/H13_W -> A13_Loc (H13 remains concurrent either side)
 - A13_AscW -> A13_AscA (directional suffixes seem odd. additionally this route is N-S and so W-E labels to determine order is odd)
 - A13_AscE -> A13_AscB (see above)
 - A13/H13_E -> H13_Loc (A13 remains concurrent either side)
 - H406_S -> A13/H406 (concurrency change)
 - does it really just fall short of the border?

Geneva
 - A1 -> A1(12)?
 - RueCel -> RouCel (also H1)
 - add point just north of A1a for access to A1(9) (also H1)

Basel
(Delémont)
 - H5 -> GTS?
 - RueEcl -> RueEcl_E
 - RueJuin -> Reu23Juin
 - add H248_S (also H18)
 - RuePet -> RouPre and is off
(France)
 - remove brackets from name in csvs
(Basel)
- point for Bottmingerstrasse?
(St Johann)
- 5(A3) -> GTS?
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on July 04, 2020, 03:29:24 pm
- H2/H13_N -> GTS? (it seems to be how you've done it elsewhere)

No, I used Axx or Hxx because they are TM routes. I didn't use Hxxx labels which are not TM routes. Instead, I used GTSZer and GTSGen wps at GTS and GTS at GTSGen.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.292274&lon=7.879386
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.513866&lon=6.260211

I also used GTS at Hxx routes where GTS continues on a Hxxx route.
Title: Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
Post by: michih on July 06, 2020, 12:57:59 pm
Any further comments before activation?